Waterford GAA thread - mod warning post #1 and #51

Jerry Atrick wrote: »

Limerick have JP, different story altogether. KK are in a different stratosphere in terms of organisation etc to us. Success breeds success and all that.

When was the last time Bruce Springsteen played Breffni Park? These are white elephant visions you're throwing out. Soundbytes. We need money, yes. We need organisation of championships, yes. We need coherent planning and strategy for the future, yes. What we don't need is a PUC debacle like in Cork. Our support base isn't there lad. Just look though the spite of the last few pages on here.

Clubs are in enough bother trying to develop & deliver their own facilities and plans , not to mind help finance the county board do theirs.

I agree, we don’t need a 30k seater stadium fresh out the box in carriganore, but we need to do something beyond papering over more cracks.

I don’t accept the concert white elephant line, all together now was a roaring success last year. A one day big band gig every 2-3 years is plenty & should be achievable - constantly dismissing something as not possible when there are 2 live examples atn & day tripper of how they work currently is more a white elephant to me.

We are behind in 2 areas - games / structures & actual infrastructure & i have a massive question mark over our coaching and games / development squad approach - that’s my opinion if someone can convince me we are the best in class in any of those, fair enough

thesaturdayman wrote: »

Clubs are in enough bother trying to develop & deliver their own facilities and plans , not to mind help finance the county board do theirs.

I agree, we don’t need a 30k seater stadium fresh out the box in carriganore, but we need to do something beyond papering over more cracks.

I don’t accept the concert white elephant line, all together now was a roaring success last year. A one day big band gig every 2-3 years is plenty & should be achievable - constantly dismissing something as not possible when there are 2 live examples atn & day tripper of how they work currently is more a white elephant to me.

We are behind in 2 areas - games / structures & actual infrastructure & i have a massive question mark over our coaching and games / development squad approach - that’s my opinion if someone can convince me we are the best in class in any of those, fair enough

You want Waterford GAA to run an ATN style gig??? ATN being run by the same crowd running Electric Picnic...get a hauld of yourself lad!!!!

Pogue eile wrote: »

Well you had already excluded Limerick yourself so now you are down to a list of 6 counties and to be honest I have no idea what point you are trying to make?

There are also a fair few outliers in the remaining 6 regarding similar population size!

Excluded limerick as they won all ire last year.

The point I’m making is relatively speaking, factoring in everything, we are way way off where we should be & what we should have to show for the last decade or two.

How is it possible the year we get to an all Ireland final 2017 we take in almost half of what Cavan, donegal, Monaghan & Derry by way of commercial revenue for eg.

Or if you want to talk about hurling counties- a quarter of what cork, half of tipp limerick & kk, almost 65k less then Wex - in this regard we are close to clare and Offaly then we are the top end of table, in a year we got to an all Ireland final! Our second in best part of 50 years.

Money makes the world go around, it gives you better prepared teams & a better chance of success, that is surely indisputable?

It’s no coincidence the best organised counties off the pitch are doing the best on it.

That’s the point I’m trying to make, we are already behind & the gap is getting wider.

Jerry Atrick wrote: »

You want Waterford GAA to run an ATN style gig??? ATN being run by the same crowd running Electric Picnic...get a hauld of yourself lad!!!!

I promise this is my last post on this;

If Ed Sheehan can play in pearse stadium, PUC, Gaelic grounds, Croke Park

If Bruce Springsteen can play PUC, Nowlan Park, Gaelic grounds, Rds

If Rod Stewart can play PUC, Nowlan park

If Bob Dylan & Neil young can play Nowlan Park

If Liam Gallagher can play musgrave park

If all the above has happened & will happen?

Then why can Waterford not have a slice of that pie? Cos we are pisers & moaners & just discredit everything and say ah such and such is a white elephant because that in itself is a soundbyte.

These things can be done, should be done & if I ever got an opportunity would be done. One of them alone is worth about 10 of the Kube events.

Jerry Atrick wrote: »

Fraher, Walsh Park or Mellary lad???

Show some ambition - all 3

Jerry Atrick wrote: »

Fraher, Walsh Park or Mellary lad???

Well if they can get Mary to appear in Mellery, surely they can get Bruce Springsteen???

upthedeise16 wrote: »

Any hope of getting back to actual GAA talk?

This is more entertaining than the match last Sunday.

I think what we have here is the typical response to a bad run of results, which is that the structures could be better, and the county board could be doing better.

My sense of things are that the county board could definitely be doing better, and could benefit from a lot of fresh energy - but there is a permanent Catch 22 where the existing guys hardly want to give up their seats at the table, and people on the outside don't really know how to put themselves forward.

I think the County Board have a limited amount of energy, skills and time to do strategic projects, and the stadium will probably soak up a lot of this over the next couple of years.

Has a management consultancy review from an outside agency ever happened?
The dogs in the street know that having two regional boards within a county of the size is crazy.

Surely a fresh pair of eyes would offer some blueprint for meaningful change. The one thing the majority seem to agree on is that meaningful change is desirable?

Before that kicks in, get in a reputable sports psychologist because our players appear to have the resilience of a 12 year old girl whose boyfriend dumped her on the day her favourite boy band broke up!

When will we get some real leadership from these guys? Can they not see the need for change? It’s like some circle of hell, damned to failure by repeating the same old same old year after year.

Why couldn’t Waterford make a pile of money from concerts the way KK do? Depressing reading this thread.

mountgomery burns wrote: »

People are obsessed with concerts on this thread. Lack of concerts is not what is holding back Waterford GAA

The concert thing is one small example of missed opportunities that seem to be beyond the scope of those charged with leading the whole setup.

Apologies for dragging the thread away from the match

thesaturdayman wrote: »

Didn’t meant to bring up the concert debacle, was one of about 3 broader issues, like Kilkenny one every few years would suffice. It isn’t going to be a magic bullet....

I’m sure there must be a connection with the 3 Arena , Three & various promoters given the years sponsoring county teams they gave assuming the relationship with co board is still a good one.......!

3 Arena and Three have absolutely nothing to do with getting acts. The acts are booked through promoters so your far fetched idea would be laughed out of it considering Walsh Park would effectively be in direct competition with the 3 Arena as a venue.

PTH2009 wrote: »

Please Note, a training trial for Waterford U-20 Football squad will be held this Thursday evening (May 23rd) @ Brickey Rangers GAA Grounds, Bushy Park @ 7:45 pm (all attending players to be there for 7:30 pm)

All players born in 1999, 2000, and 2001 are welcome to attend and we're encouraging clubs to please spread the word, Adult club Secretaries to forward names of players who are interested to Gavin Whelan via e-mail at gavinjwhelan@gmail.com before 12 Noon on Thursday.....

I hope clubs had more than two days notice!

Also a Thursday night is pretty awkward for a lot of lads unless they've had a couple of weeks notice.

thesaturdayman wrote: »

Wouldn’t say it’s that far fetched at all....

Maybe you could sell some of that jam you are always waffling on about to raise funds for the Co. Board. . .

upthedeise16 wrote: »

hurler on de ditch wrote: »

any kind of decent ball into the forward line and we have serious ball winners .two Bennets are brilliant .Shane in particular is probably the hardest working forward in the game ,he was murdered under Mc Grath and looking like a fall guy now. Stephen most have the best touch of all the Waterford players ,but again overworked. Maurice is deadly and
battled extremely hard the entire half. Four if not five against two if you count the tipp goalie .yep our midfield and backs are solid .what is it exactly we've conceded in two games .maybe blame that on the forwards as well

Serious ball winners? What matches have you been watching?

so according to you none of the above are ball winners if thats the case there is a case that all bar about 2 or 3 in the whole team that is .Barron and Connors being two .

hurler on de ditch wrote: »

so according to you none of the above are ball winners if thats the case there is a case that all bar about 2 or 3 in the whole team that is .Barron and Connors being two .

Connors is a corner back?😂

Whats the story with all the concerts? Jayus lads. The soccer clubs in most of the county leave the Gaa clubs in the hay penny place.

Just ask them what they're doing.

Good point, but im talking about the Junior League and all the clubs.

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Dammo wrote: »

Has a management consultancy review from an outside agency ever happened?
The dogs in the street know that having two regional boards within a county of the size is crazy.

Surely a fresh pair of eyes would offer some blueprint for meaningful change. The one thing the majority seem to agree on is that meaningful change is desirable?

A few years ago the GAA required all county boards to engage an outside consultant to produce a strategic development plan. The Chief Executive of Waterford City and County Council and former Waterford hurler, Michael Walsh, prepared the plan for Waterford. It was an excellent document which pointed out the many organisational deficiences of the GAA in Waterford and made a long list of recommendations for change in organisational structures and practices, including the abolition of the divisional boards. It also called for an overhaul of competitive structures with an emphasis on proper league structures. As far as I am aware the report was never published or placed before the county board for a detailed discussion. This is not surprising, given the litany of failings of the county board listed in the report and the major upheaval which implementation would have involved. However, GAA headquarters should have insisted on the report being published so that at least it could have given rise to some public discussion. This shows just how hard it is to achieve any kind of significant change in what is a highly dysfunctional organisation.