Waterford developments

Dunmoreroader · 28-11-2019 1:59pm

hardybuck wrote: »

How did an amalgamation of the two biggest dairy co-ops in the country, Avonmore and Waterford Foods, result in a company that is clearly a very outwardly Kilkenny company?

Closure of Snowcream. Closure of Kilmeaden. Closure of Grange in west Waterford.

Kilmeaden Cheese in particular should be boycotted in Waterford after what happened.

You're right of course but whatever about the optics this is a big investment in the Waterford city Metro area and lots of new jobs, and spin-off spending for Waterford, Kilkenny and maybe even a few Wexicans crossing the Rio Grande on the new bridge.

JohnC. · 28-11-2019 2:29pm

Dunmoreroader wrote: »

Great news, congrats Glanbia but you have to laugh at the difference in reportage of this between the Kilkenny and Waterford media;
Waterford: Glanbia, Port of Waterford
Kilkenny: Glanbia, Belview Co. Kilkenny
Will they ever grow up? :rolleyes:

I know. One refers to the location and the other refers to a company nearby for some reason. Weird.

road_high · 02-12-2019 12:53am

hardybuck wrote: »

How did an amalgamation of the two biggest dairy co-ops in the country, Avonmore and Waterford Foods, result in a company that is clearly a very outwardly Kilkenny company?

Closure of Snowcream. Closure of Kilmeaden. Closure of Grange in west Waterford.

Kilmeaden Cheese in particular should be boycotted in Waterford after what happened.

Because away from the parish pump in the hard world of business no one is interested in county flag waving- Waterford Foods was a busted flush with a huge debt and totally outdated facilities. Glanbia Avonmore took on their debt and struggled for years to make the business viable- they’d have been far better had they just let WF die and pick over the carcass with the liquidators. Laughable you suggest boycotting Kilmeaden- where do you think Waterford county farmers send their milk for processing in future?

road_high · 02-12-2019 12:57am

Dunmoreroader wrote: »

Great news, congrats Glanbia but you have to laugh at the difference in reportage of this between the Kilkenny and Waterford media;
Waterford: Glanbia, Port of Waterford
Kilkenny: Glanbia, Belview Co. Kilkenny
Will they ever grow up? :rolleyes:

Belview is in Co. Kilkenny- obviously that fact grates massively with people like yourself for your own personal reasons - long may they continue to prosper and support jobs locally

hardybuck · 02-12-2019 1:09am

road_high wrote: »

Because away from the parish pump in the hard world of business no one is interested in county flag waving- Waterford Foods was a busted flush with a huge debt and totally outdated facilities. Glanbia Avonmore took on their debt and struggled for years to make the business viable- they’d have been far better had they just let WF die and pick over the carcass with the liquidators. Laughable you suggest boycotting Kilmeaden- where do you think Waterford county farmers send their milk for processing in future?

Ever hear of the Guaranteed Irish movement? Or the current Love Irish effort? That's pretty much 'flag waving' as you call it.

Roughly 300 people lost their jobs in Waterford directly due to Glanbia closures post merger. Not exactly a laughing matter.

JohnC. · 02-12-2019 5:55am

What's "Love Irish" got to do with your weird and petty inter-county rivalry? And nobody called job losses funny. What's laughable (learn the difference) is the suggestion that a petty boycott is somehow going to fix things when all it would do is make things more difficult for the farmers and lead to more job losses. Talk about cutting off your nose to spite your face. How many jobs exactly would you like to see lost in Belview, a stonesthrow away, no doubt employing Waterford people because they aren't petty like you, before you are satisfied?

hardybuck · 02-12-2019 9:15am

JohnC. wrote: »

What's "Love Irish" got to do with your weird and petty inter-county rivalry? And nobody called job losses funny. What's laughable (learn the difference) is the suggestion that a petty boycott is somehow going to fix things when all it would do is make things more difficult for the farmers and lead to more job losses. Talk about cutting off your nose to spite your face. How many jobs exactly would you like to see lost in Belview, a stonesthrow away, no doubt employing Waterford people because they aren't petty like you, before you are satisfied?

I've been accused of flag waving when we're all encouraged to buy Irish and support local.

Kilmeaden production was at the time split between Ballyragget and Mitchelstown I understand, while Belview is a joint venture with a Dutch company to make continental cheeses? So I've got zero gripe with Belview.

I do have a gripe with a merger that has had a very negative impact on jobs in Waterford. And as a consumer I simply don't buy that product.

Dunmoreroader · 02-12-2019 1:35pm

Dunmoreroader wrote: »

Great news, congrats Glanbia but you have to laugh at the difference in reportage of this between the Kilkenny and Waterford media;
Waterford: Glanbia, Port of Waterford
Kilkenny: Glanbia, Belview Co. Kilkenny
Will they ever grow up? :rolleyes:

road_high wrote: »

Belview is in Co. Kilkenny- obviously that fact grates massively with people like yourself for your own personal reasons - long may they continue to prosper and support jobs locally

Doesn't "grate massively" at all the geography of Belview though I was in favour of the boundary commission bringing it all inside the city limits - the port and surrounding businesses are 'de facto' part of the city.
It's the different way the Glanbia story is reported on in the papers depending on origin gives me a wry smile like this :rolleyes:
Chillax.

dzilla · 02-12-2019 5:07pm

Kilmeaden....Grates.

Pardon the pun.

gobo99 · 02-12-2019 11:03pm

Dunmoreroader wrote: »

It's the different way the Glanbia story is reported on in the papers depending on origin gives me a wry smile like this :rolleyes:
Chillax.

Well you might have a wry smile at the Independents coverage then.
https://m.independent.ie/business/farming/agri-business/companies/glanbia-ireland-plan-to-create-80-jobs-in-new-140-million-kilkenny-facility-37736304.html

Dunmoreroader wrote: »

Will they ever grow up? :rolleyes:

:rolleyes:

Dunmoreroader · 03-12-2019 1:15pm

gobo99 wrote: »

Well you might have a wry smile at the Independents coverage then.
https://m.independent.ie/business/farming/agri-business/companies/glanbia-ireland-plan-to-create-80-jobs-in-new-140-million-kilkenny-facility-37736304.html

:rolleyes:

:pac:

azimuth17 · 03-12-2019 2:54pm

Anyone who wants to see the location of the Glanbia site need only go out to Ballygunner and drive down the hill from Knockboy Church to Orpen's (Riverside Cottage) pub. The Glanbia works are directly opposite on the other bank of the River Suir. They are about as near to Waterford city as it is possible for a manufacturing facility of that size to be. If Glanbia was a US multi national company everyone knows what the publicity would unequivocally say. It is sad that the Glanbia PR around the new facility did not follow on previous publicity which spoke of it being on the Waterford/Kilkenny border. There is a lot of anecdotal stuff about Glanbia being virulently anti Waterford. I suspect its a little bit of county jersey stuff.

Max Powers · 03-12-2019 4:48pm

azimuth17 wrote: »

Anyone who wants to see the location of the Glanbia site need only go out to Ballygunner and drive down the hill from Knockboy Church to Orpen's (Riverside Cottage) pub. The Glanbia works are directly opposite on the other bank of the River Suir. They are about as near to Waterford city as it is possible for a manufacturing facility of that size to be. If Glanbia was a US multi national company everyone knows what the publicity would unequivocally say. It is sad that the Glanbia PR around the new facility did not follow on previous publicity which spoke of it being on the Waterford/Kilkenny border. There is a lot of anecdotal stuff about Glanbia being virulently anti Waterford. I suspect its a little bit of county jersey stuff.

Who gives a toss what the last line of the address is, its in kk, jobs are there for anyone in the South East.

azimuth17 · 03-12-2019 9:12pm

I agree Max, but regardless, inter county foolishness can be, shall we say, unhelpful.

Harry Palmr · 03-12-2019 9:44pm

Blimey this Kilkenny Waterford stuff is so petty at times.

This will probably be appealed but it's the correct decision given the logic of the work that's been done in the Apple Market, and the forthcoming car park on the old Art Dept site

https://www.waterfordlive.ie/news/motoring/498882/endanger-public-safety-waterford-city-centre-car-park-refused-planning-permission.html

In his application, Mr Johnston sought permission for the subdivision of the former Bank of Ireland site and for the temporary retention for three years for the use of the subdivided area of the site previously used for parking associated with a commercial/office premises, as a public pay car park with associated pay/ticketing machine, barriers and signage, all with associated site development works.

Speaking of which

https://waterford-news.ie/2019/12/03/browns-lane-set-for-new-year-re-opening/

SOPHIE THE DOG · 03-12-2019 10:17pm

Its a Bord Pleanala decision - no appeal - would have to seek Judicial Review

Harry Palmr · 15-12-2019 12:27pm

Muttley79 wrote: »

https://www.wlrfm.com/2018/12/07/former-kilmeaden-cheese-factory-to-be-demolished/#
This could be a huge development that's badly needed in kilmeaden since this factory closed down.i have heard rumour in the past few months of talks maybe a branch of Jameson distillery could be located here

No update here but there has been one with regard to Kilmac (sure it's county board but no one goes there)

http://www.munster-express.ie/business/kilmac%E2%80%99s-distillery-plans-progressing/

Plans for the development of a distillery in Kilmacthomas are progressing and have been welcomed by locals. Gortinore, which is led by Irish entrepreneur Aidan Mehigan, purchased The Old Mill in Kilmacthomas in 2016.Planning permission was recently lodged with Waterford City & County Council relating to the development of a distillery and visitor centre at the site.

At the November Comeragh District meeting of Waterford City & County Council, Cllr Ger Barron (Lab) said he was delighted that a planning application had been received.

We'll be sloshed!

razorronan · 17-12-2019 6:15pm

Planning Application has been lodged for the North Quays. Another significant step for the project.

https://www.rte.ie/news/munster/2019/1217/1099640-waterford-quays-redevelopment/

https://www.waterfordlive.ie/news/property/502377/major-development-to-change-the-face-of-waterford-city-for-generations.html

cactus jacks · 19-12-2019 10:51am

The new extension to the Tower hotel has been refused planning permission by an bord planeala.

https://waterford-news.ie/2019/12/19/tower-hotel-revamp-refused-by-an-bord-planeala/

hardybuck · 19-12-2019 11:03am

cactus jacks wrote: »

The new extension to the Tower hotel has been refused planning permission by an bord planeala.

https://waterford-news.ie/2019/12/19/tower-hotel-revamp-refused-by-an-bord-planeala/

You have to laugh at ABP sometimes..."incongruous in terms of its design and scale, which would be out of character with the streetscape and the ACA, and would set an undesirable precedent for future development in this area."

Of course any development would be out of character with what's currently on Lombard St - because half the street is derelict and run-down. And the existing buildings are mostly 4 story - hardly a huge departure in terms of height.

I think this decision by ABP actually sets an undesirable precedent for future development in this area.

Harry Palmr · 19-12-2019 11:51am

Lombard street is three and three "and three-quarters" stories, if you look at top level however regardless of that topping out to five stories would not be an obvious breaking of the skyline esp in a narrow street in an already built up area.

BBM77 · 19-12-2019 11:58am

cactus jacks wrote: »

The new extension to the Tower hotel has been refused planning permission by an bord planeala.

https://waterford-news.ie/2019/12/19/tower-hotel-revamp-refused-by-an-bord-planeala/

That is a maddening, stupid decision. There is nothing architecturally significant about those building. Because they are old is not a valid reason to stop a development. So the city is going to loose the income from the extra hotel rooms, and conference facilities over this bull.

BBM77 · 19-12-2019 12:05pm

Harry Palmr wrote: »

Lombard street is three and three "and three-quarters" stories, if you look at top level however regardless of that topping out to five stories would not be an obvious breaking of the skyline esp in a narrow street in an already built up area.

So ABP is saying Waterford city has to live in the past and only build buildings in the city centre that are the same height as buildings built hundreds of years ago and new developments must be forced to the outskirts. And that is supposed to make more sense than knocking some architecturally insignificant, derelict and run-down buildings.

Harry Palmr · 19-12-2019 12:23pm

Unfortunately there seems to be a weird mentality in An Bord Planeala about the maximum height of the built environment, it's partially why we have an accommodation crisis and why Dublin in particular has the spreading girth of a corpulent king. We need to build up not out.

Dunmoreroader · 19-12-2019 12:49pm

Am I missing something here? Are the buildings which the Tower Hotel wanted to knock not a row of listed Georgian buildings, the type we've regretted knocking elsewhere in Waterford(where the old ESB block/ Waterford Crystal Visitors Centre is now) and elsewhere like Dublin?
Didn't the Granville Hotel manage to expand by incorporating listed buildings on the Quay rather than trying to knock them and rebuilding?
What am I missing here?

curmudgeonly · 19-12-2019 1:05pm

There was next to no architectural merit in the design submitted for this hotel imo, awful to be honest no attempt whatsoever at design, cost driven only, personally I am happy it was refused.

Gardner · 19-12-2019 3:06pm

seems that the Tower Hotel have been Leeched

DLS_75 · 19-12-2019 3:09pm

Gardner wrote: »

seems that the Tower Hotel have been Leeched

Pass that on to your buddy in the news and star

Gardner · 19-12-2019 3:39pm

DLS_75 wrote: »

Pass that on to your buddy in the news and star

message didn't deliver his phone has been cut off

MoashoaM · 19-12-2019 5:44pm

curmudgeonly wrote: »

There was next to no architectural merit in the design submitted for this hotel imo, awful to be honest no attempt whatsoever at design, cost driven only, personally I am happy it was refused.

It reminds me of a road side hotel in Kettering.

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