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Waterford developments

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,881 ✭✭✭BBM77


    Muttley79 wrote: »
    https://waterford-news.ie/2021/03/22/waterford-wexford-line-confirmed-for-all-island-strategic-rail-review/
    Hopefully this happens as it's a great gateway for the whole south east region

    It would not kill them to at least trail a Rosslare-Waterford-Limerick-Galway service at sensible times of the day. It is not like they have to build new tracks, it’s all there.


  • Posts: 693 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Wanderer78 wrote: »
    I seriously doubt 2.5m people have free travel

    https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/arid-20469806.html

    Ok, maybe a slight over exaggeration on my behalf but still way too many!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,258 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/arid-20469806.html

    Ok, maybe a slight over exaggeration on my behalf but still way too many!

    wonder how much economic activity it produces


  • Registered Users Posts: 5,174 ✭✭✭hardybuck


    It may be worth reflecting on whether it'd be better to spend that money on projects linking Waterford to other cities and towns in the region, or spending more of it on projects directly in Waterford and other cities and towns in the region.

    In my opinion we might be better off investing in projects which will increase the density of places like Waterford, so that more people are living closer to the services they need.

    If there is greater density in the city there will be greater scope for improving infrastructure for walking/cycling/taking public transport and reducing reliance on car ownership.

    At the moment I think we're stuck in a repetitive cycle of allowing houses to be built too far away from services, and then trying to put solutions in place to get people from unsuitable locations to the places where services are located.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,258 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    hardybuck wrote: »
    It may be worth reflecting on whether it'd be better to spend that money on projects linking Waterford to other cities and towns in the region, or spending more of it on projects directly in Waterford and other cities and towns in the region.

    In my opinion we might be better off investing in projects which will increase the density of places like Waterford, so that more people are living closer to the services they need.

    If there is greater density in the city there will be greater scope for improving infrastructure for walking/cycling/taking public transport and reducing reliance on car ownership.

    At the moment I think we're stuck in a repetitive cycle of allowing houses to be built too far away from services, and then trying to put solutions in place to get people from unsuitable locations to the places where services are located.

    its a difficult balance, having too many people living together causes a rise in social problems which is costly in many ways, not just financially, yet too far away, also costs a fortune to run


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  • Registered Users Posts: 5,174 ✭✭✭hardybuck


    Wanderer78 wrote: »
    its a difficult balance, having too many people living together causes a rise in social problems which is costly in many ways, not just financially, yet too far away, also costs a fortune to run

    I think there is considerable scope to increase the density of the city centre, and it may actually improve some social issues caused by isolation and limited access to services.

    Anyone who has walked around the city after dark will know how empty it is, even pre-Covid, and I'm sure many people would feel quite vulnerable and unsafe.

    There's talk of the M20 project (which could have a Waterford element) costing between €2-3bn to complete (and the rest). Imagine what you could do in Waterford if you even got 20% of that to improve facilities in the city.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,258 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    hardybuck wrote: »
    I think there is considerable scope to increase the density of the city centre, and it may actually improve some social issues caused by isolation and limited access to services.

    Anyone who has walked around the city after dark will know how empty it is, even pre-Covid, and I'm sure many people would feel quite vulnerable and unsafe.

    There's talk of the M20 project (which could have a Waterford element) costing between €2-3bn to complete (and the rest). Imagine what you could do in Waterford if you even got 20% of that to improve facilities in the city.

    i hear you, but id still argue, that it would probably increase some social problems, theres plenty of evidence to show this globally, critical infrastructure networks such as water works, electricity, broadband etc etc, tend to become strained, as its costly and complex to also expand these networks, in order to truly facilitate this population growth


  • Registered Users Posts: 5,174 ✭✭✭hardybuck


    Wanderer78 wrote: »
    i hear you, but id still argue, that it would probably increase some social problems, theres plenty of evidence to show this globally, critical infrastructure networks such as water works, electricity, broadband etc etc, tend to become strained, as its costly and complex to also expand these networks, in order to truly facilitate this population growth

    We have the same problem in Ireland caused by allowing too much one-off housing, which adds to the cost of bringing services to those people (water, roads, electricity, broadband, waste collection, schools, post offices etc.).

    In my opinion cities like Waterford would be better off if they had density more similar to what you'd see in places like Germany or Holland.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,258 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    hardybuck wrote: »
    We have the same problem in Ireland caused by allowing too much one-off housing, which adds to the cost of bringing services to those people (water, roads, electricity, broadband, waste collection, schools, post offices etc.).

    In my opinion cities like Waterford would be better off if they had density more similar to what you'd see in places like Germany or Holland.

    again, i do agree, but we also have a history of plough up buildings, fill them with people, then worry about our critical infrastructure needs later, or not at all. the dublin region is in serious trouble regarding its water works, its working at maximum capacity a lot of the time, many parts of it are well over a century old and crumbling, this is where you dont want to be in the future, it just becomes too expensive and too complex to rectify when it gets to that stage. all this needs to be done first before ploughing up any buildings, and that aint cheap


  • Posts: 693 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Wanderer78 wrote: »
    wonder how much economic activity it produces

    Commercial or drug related?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,258 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    Commercial or drug related?

    both of course, both can and do produce economic activities, by the looks of it, most free pass holders are pensioners, so id imagine many do spend on their trips, many other none pensioners probably also do to


  • Posts: 693 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Wanderer78 wrote: »
    both of course, both can and do produce economic activities, by the looks of it, most free pass holders are pensioners, so id imagine many do spend on their trips, many other none pensioners probably also do to

    You'll have to start travelling W'


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,258 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    You'll have to start travelling W'

    ah im breaking enough traveling rules at the moment, how come?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,251 ✭✭✭friendlyfun


    Has footlocker closed down ?


  • Registered Users Posts: 161 ✭✭SeanieW1977


    sure has.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,258 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    sure has.

    the first of many i suspect


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,258 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78




  • Registered Users Posts: 1,748 ✭✭✭Deiseen


    Wanderer78 wrote: »

    Is that the terrace they have at the restaurant level at the moment or another one?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,258 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    Deiseen wrote:
    Is that the terrace they have at the restaurant level at the moment or another one?

    Don't know to be honest, but I have to say, it does look well, but....


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 312 ✭✭Muttley79


    As far as I know they built out the original beer garden that was there and added it out by extra decking.however they then built a further terrace further down closer to the beach.it has added massively to tramore but planning is there for a reason.for the owner that made his money in construction yeah think he would have known better.would be equivalent to somebody building the taj mahal and arguing that it's grand sure.he probably get a slap on the wrist and a fine for it


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,258 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    Muttley79 wrote:
    As far as I know they built out the original beer garden that was there and added it out by extra decking.however they then built a further terrace further down closer to the beach.it has added massively to tramore but planning is there for a reason.for the owner that made his money in construction yeah think he would have known better.would be equivalent to somebody building the taj mahal and arguing that it's grand sure.he probably get a slap on the wrist and a fine for it

    Oh don't worry, he's no fool, he knew exactly what he was at


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 480 ✭✭Flyin Irishman


    Wanderer78 wrote: »
    Oh don't worry, he's no fool, he knew exactly what he was at

    Yeah, he basically said it in that article above. He did it deliberately in the hopes that people would like it and complain, making the council look like the bad guys for enforcing the planning laws. It's similar to the Homesavers fiasco.

    If he had applied for permission and it had been refused, I would have totally disagreed with the decision and thought it was hindering progress, but the fact he flouted the rules I have no sympathy


  • Registered Users Posts: 402 ✭✭spaceCreated


    Yeah, he basically said it in that article above. He did it deliberately in the hopes that people would like it and complain, making the council look like the bad guys for enforcing the planning laws. It's similar to the Homesavers fiasco.

    If he had applied for permission and it had been refused, I would have totally disagreed with the decision and thought it was hindering progress, but the fact he flouted the rules I have no sympathy

    Maybe if he was more cultural theyd have no issues with it


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 40,061 ✭✭✭✭Harry Palmr


    Retrospective planning permission (retention) is pure cute horedom. Build it and then trust the planning authority is weak willed.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 312 ✭✭Muttley79


    https://waterford-news.ie/2021/04/04/whiskey-maturation-site-at-ballygarran-granted-planning-permission/
    Good to see industrial park by the airport getting some much needed investment


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 40,061 ✭✭✭✭Harry Palmr


    Waterford 2040 "Find Your Future" web launch with the leader FG leader and various others. Robert Finnegan (chair of Waterford 2040), Michael Walsh (County CEO) and Annette Connolly (Chamber of Commerce)

    About 30 minutes.



    Some inevitable misreading bullsh1t from Leo Varadkar about Waterford loosing confidence in the post industrial era. No, we just got ignored at a time of need Leo! Stuff about 2040 plan and 2024 short term development plan by Waterford Coco and I'll now watch the rest :)

    edit - don't bother yourself really. Just read the newspaper summary.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,258 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    Some inevitable misreading bullsh1t from Leo Varadkar about Waterford loosing confidence in the post industrial era. No, we just got ignored at a time of need Leo! Stuff about 2040 plan and 2024 short term development plan by Waterford Coco and I'll now watch the rest

    Not ta worry, we re quickly moving into the globalised capital world, so we ll be proper screwed soon, or more so your kids, grandkids, nieces and nephews, very worrying stuff, local property markets are gonna be a wreck after this


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,459 ✭✭✭kuang1


    Anyone know what they're building beside Costa Ardkeen?


  • Registered Users Posts: 212 ✭✭Tiger Roll


    kuang1 wrote:
    Anyone know what they're building beside Costa Ardkeen?


    Camille Thai restaurant I believe


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,487 ✭✭✭JohnC.


    kuang1 wrote: »
    Anyone know what they're building beside Costa Ardkeen?

    I see there's planning permission for a restaurant. It's under Frisby's name, so it doesn't say what restaurant is going in. The floor plans have the grill specifically marked as a charcoal grill, so maybe Burger King?


  • Registered Users Posts: 91 ✭✭rekdtangle


    JohnC. wrote: »
    I see there's planning permission for a restaurant. It's under Frisby's name, so it doesn't say what restaurant is going in. The floor plans have the grill specifically marked as a charcoal grill, so maybe Burger King?

    It's also got pizza oven and pizza rack. I wouldn't read to much into what the units are labelled as.

    I do hope it is BK though.


  • Registered Users Posts: 827 ✭✭✭jimbojazz


    rekdtangle wrote: »
    It's also got pizza oven and pizza rack. I wouldn't read to much into what the units are labelled as.

    I do hope it is BK though.

    It's Camile Thai, as also stated by another poster


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 312 ✭✭Muttley79




  • Registered Users Posts: 827 ✭✭✭jimbojazz


    Muttley79 wrote: »

    Is that what’s going beside the Costa in Ardkeen or O’Brien’s at Ardkeen Stores?


  • Registered Users Posts: 426 ✭✭niallo76


    Muttley79 wrote: »

    Yes,long overdue and welcomed,but as per usual it's pitiful compared to other parts. Howth in Dublin is set to receive over E20+million for development...


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  • Registered Users Posts: 426 ✭✭niallo76


    niallo76 wrote: »
    Yes,long overdue and welcomed,but as per usual it's pitiful compared to other parts. Howth in Dublin is set to receive over E20+million for development...

    https://www.thejournal.ie/reclaimed-land-howth-harbour-5384841-Mar2021/


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,620 ✭✭✭Yellow_Fern




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 319 ✭✭nomoedoe


    I see the area next to home savers on the cork road is fenced off are supermacs finally doing something there?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 40,061 ✭✭✭✭Harry Palmr


    hardybuck wrote: »
    An Taisce have taken legal action against An Bord Pleanala and the State aimed at overturning the planning permission granted to a cheese manufacturing plant that would be located in Belview Science and Technology Park.

    Their grounds include claims that environmental impacts of cheese production that weren't properly taken into account for the purposes of the Environmental Impact Assessment.

    https://www.irishtimes.com/news/environment/an-taisce-seeks-to-overturn-permission-for-co-kilkenny-cheese-plant-1.4417834
    So the cheese makers are not blessed? An Taisce full of vegans by the looks of it.



    So it looks as if An Taisce's real target is the size of the national herd, if they can stop the processing sector they can stop herd expansion.

    They lost the action and are appealing. More money for the legal boys and girls.

    https://www.independent.ie/business/farming/dairy/an-taisce-to-appeal-high-court-decision-on-kilkenny-cheese-plant-40399348.html


  • Registered Users Posts: 602 ✭✭✭savic04


    nomoedoe wrote: »
    I see the area next to home savers on the cork road is fenced off are supermacs finally doing something there?

    Wasn't it to be a drive through supermacs at one point ?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,814 ✭✭✭dzilla


    savic04 wrote: »
    Wasn't it to be a drive through supermacs at one point ?

    Yea the supermacs will be a drive through


  • Posts: 6,192 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    dzilla wrote: »
    Yea the supermacs will be a drive through

    How long are them units lying idle....must be bones of 20 years at this stage?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,814 ✭✭✭dzilla


    How long are them units lying idle....must be bones of 20 years at this stage?

    I think widogers left around 2006-2008


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,743 ✭✭✭Wanderer2010


    With Supermacs drive through and McDonalds drive through being so close to each other, i fear for the traffic at the RSC roundabout during busy periods. Already its often backed right up beyond the roundabout when McDonalds are busy in the evenings and weekends. Add in a Supermacs and the Cork Road will be impossible to navigate. Unless they are planning both the entrance and exit to the Supermacs on the PC World side.

    Even so, the road is going to be a nightmare to use when this kicks off.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,814 ✭✭✭dzilla


    With Supermacs drive through and McDonalds drive through being so close to each other, i fear for the traffic at the RSC roundabout during busy periods. Already its often backed right up beyond the roundabout when McDonalds are busy in the evenings and weekends. Add in a Supermacs and the Cork Road will be impossible to navigate. Unless they are planning both the entrance and exit to the Supermacs on the PC World side.

    Even so, the road is going to be a nightmare to use when this kicks off.

    Will definitely need to be looked at as if the flow of traffic going into the drive through backs to the entrance then you have a situation where the road backs up to the roundabout.

    Always find that it's in wet days that Macdonald's does be so busy with the queue going back to jysk. Think it's cos there's nothing else to do but get a bit of food in wet weather


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,743 ✭✭✭Wanderer2010


    dzilla wrote: »
    Will definitely need to be looked at as if the flow of traffic going into the drive through backs to the entrance then you have a situation where the road backs up to the roundabout.

    Always find that it's in wet days that Macdonald's does be so busy with the queue going back to jysk. Think it's cos there's nothing else to do but get a bit of food in wet weather

    Yeah its very busy now and will only get worse with more drive throughs. I wouldnt mind if it was nice food but its absolute bland, tasteless rubbish! McDonalds chips are nothing but paper.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,258 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    Even so, the road is going to be a nightmare to use when this kicks off.

    Shouldnt have gotten planning permission, but business is good!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,770 ✭✭✭shockwave


    The queue for McDonalds should ease a lot when you can actually go inside to eat, pre lockdown there was hardly any backed up traffic to get in there


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,258 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    shockwave wrote: »
    The queue for McDonalds should ease a lot when you can actually go inside to eat, pre lockdown there was hardly any backed up traffic to get in there

    this isnt exactly true, but partially


  • Registered Users Posts: 5,721 ✭✭✭obi604


    What’s going on beside Costa coffee in Ardkeen (where tesco and Homebase are)

    New building going up.



    EDIT: Ignore, I read back a bit and see it’s going to be Camille Thai.

    Another q. What’s going on at O’Brien’s off-licence beside Supermacs in the real Ardkeen (I think;))


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