Waterford developments

Johnboy1951

BBM77 wrote: »

A linear park like most cities with water fronts have.

A complimentary layout to the north quay development?

mooseknunkle

hardybuck wrote: »

What would, or could, you put on the quay instead?

Anything other than bleak soulless car parks

hardybuck

mooseknunkle wrote: »

Anything other than bleak soulless car parks

Yes but the question remains - what?

Visitors to the city need to have a way into it. You don't want them driving further into the city as one poster suggested. I would favour a park and ride in Ferrybank and/or Sallypark as alternatives.

MoashoaM

If they put a multi-story carpark in the gas works it'd break my heart. The waterside and gasworks could be a such a nice area.

Neglecting to develop water-side property for the public enjoyment is typical in this country. That whole river should be a priority for the city to develop by. The Dutch do it right.

The city could use less car focused American-British development.

Harry Palmr

The quays need to become part of the greenway.

It won't ever happen but the traffic lanes should be moved to the riverside and inner south quays freed up for walking, pop up shopping, cafeing, lounging about, playing and so on.

hardybuck

Harry Palmr wrote: »

The quays need to become part of the greenway.

It won't ever happen but the traffic lanes should be moved to the riverside and inner south quays freed up for walking, pop up shopping, cafeing, lounging about, playing and so on.

I like this idea - except for the moving of the traffic lanes. Too disruptive and costly, and also might result in road closures due to flooding.

Would be nice to have a more relaxed feel along the shops though.

johnnykilo

hardybuck wrote: »

I've seen similar in Bordeaux but I don't recall too many other cities that had one along their quays in such a prominent location right in the middle of their city centres.

They had terribly run down dock area and don't have parks, but do have open promenade with planting.

There's a big park in Athlone right by the river just a couple of minutes from the town centre. Lovely place to be on a sunny day watching the boats go down the Shannon. OK it's not a city but it's a relatively big town in relation to Ireland.

hardybuck

johnnykilo wrote: »

There's a big park in Athlone right by the river just a couple of minutes from the town centre. Lovely place to be on a sunny day watching the boats go down the Shannon. OK it's not a city but it's a relatively big town in relation to Ireland.

Is that the equivalent of having a park up along the river in a couple of mins away from the city center in Bilberry or Waterpark?

Harry Palmr

hardybuck wrote: »

I like this idea - except for the moving of the traffic lanes. Too disruptive and costly, and also might result in road closures due to flooding.

Would be nice to have a more relaxed feel along the shops though.

Do the car parks flood more than the driving lanes as things are?

I agree it would be disruptive I just like the idea of people filtering out from the Broadstreet/Barronstrand straight into this pedestrian area.

johnnykilo

hardybuck wrote: »

Is that the equivalent of having a park up along the river in a couple of mins away from the city center in Bilberry or Waterpark?

Not really, it's riverside, 300m from the main bridge in Athlone which is the dead centre of the town. You can see it from the bridge and vice versa so it feels pretty central. It doesn't run the whole length of the river but would be equivalent to having a park on part of either the north or south quays in Waterford.

hardybuck

Harry Palmr wrote: »

Do the car parks flood more than the driving lanes as things are?

I agree it would be disruptive I just like the idea of people filtering out from the Broadstreet/Barronstrand straight into this pedestrian area.

Well the car parks are next the river. The road is currently a good few meters away from the river - separated by the car parks.

I'm not sure how good or bad the flood defenses are these days but if you move a road into a potential flood plain there would be a lot of egg on a lot of faces.

A Greenway cycle path along the river bank, nicely landscaped, could be really attractive.

Dexpat

Harry Palmr wrote: »

The quays need to become part of the greenway.

It won't ever happen but the traffic lanes should be moved to the riverside and inner south quays freed up for walking, pop up shopping, cafeing, lounging about, playing and so on.

Isn't funding already committed to extend the greenway past Bilberry up as far as the new bridge at the clock tower and to viking triangle?

I know in practice it won't involve too much but it it might involve a proper separated path along the river for pedestrians and bikes.

The long-term future of the Quay is to be a linear park as you outlined with very little traffic. It's probably more than 20 years away though.

Harry Palmr

Yes, 2.6m https://www.voicemedia.ie/waterford-today/e2-65m-will-link-greenway-to-the-city-centre/

mooseknunkle

Harry Palmr wrote: »

Yes, 2.6m https://www.voicemedia.ie/waterford-today/e2-65m-will-link-greenway-to-the-city-centre/

They really need to get a start on that and not have all the tourists cycling up through Bilberry again this summer

Max Powers

mooseknunkle wrote: »

They really need to get a start on that and not have all the tourists cycling up through Bilberry again this summer

There was a few of those announcements last year like that, city bike scheme, etc. You'd have to wonder did the council ever get the money to do it? Personally I doubt they have the money. Shane Ross announced it, I can remember Halligan talking like this is going to start any day now.....

Azatadine

mooseknunkle wrote: »

They really need to get a start on that and not have all the tourists cycling up through Bilberry again this summer

Yeah, what a horrible experience for a tourist. That section from the bridge to the Bilberry Greenway entrance is an absolute disgrace.

mooseknunkle

Azatadine wrote: »

Yeah, what a horrible experience for a tourist. That section from the quay to the Bilberry Greenway entrance is an absolute disgrace.

Even if they just done the section from the bridge to the bilberry car park it would be something ,totally agree with you its a disgrace having people going up there the way it is now

mooseknunkle

Max Powers wrote: »

There was a few of those announcements last year like that, city bike scheme, etc. You'd have to wonder did the council ever get the money to do it? Personally I doubt they have the money. Shane Ross announced it, I can remember Halligan talking like this is going to start any day now.....

€2.6m announced last June and not a word about it since

https://www.gov.ie/en/press-release/1ed5ec-minister-ross-and-griffin-announce-the-launch-of-bike-week-2019-alon/

hardybuck

mooseknunkle wrote: »

€2.6m announced last June and not a word about it since

https://www.gov.ie/en/press-release/1ed5ec-minister-ross-and-griffin-announce-the-launch-of-bike-week-2019-alon/

Does the work need planning permission? If it does, even the potential procurement process would take a number of months.

gscully

hardybuck wrote: »

What would, or could, you put on the quay instead?

Cafes, markets, etc... The potential of the quay is not just the quay itself. We don't make enough use of the river - i.e. spectator sports, participant activities like in Dunmore, boating, etc...

Max Powers

Max Powers wrote: »

There was a few of those announcements last year like that, city bike scheme, etc. You'd have to wonder did the council ever get the money to do it? Personally I doubt they have the money. Shane Ross announced it, I can remember Halligan talking like this is going to start any day now.....

In the munster this week about the bikes, apparently September.

Harry Palmr

https://www.southernassembly.ie/uploads/general-files/Southern%20Regional%20Assembly%20RSES%202020%20FINAL%20Low%20Res.pdf


A very long PDF of the Regional Spatial & Economic Strategy for Munster (basically a more detailed region focused part of the Ireland 2040 plan). I've not looked to closely yet but did look at the connectivity section re ports and airports

Ports
It is an objective to strengthen investment to
deliver actions under National Ports Policy
and investment in sustainable infrastructure
projects that:

a. Strengthen and develop the strategic
international, national and regional economic
roles of our Tier 1 Ports (Port of Cork and
Shannon-Foynes Port) and Tier 2 Ports (Port
of Waterford and Rosslare Europort) and
support the strategic role of our region’s
port and harbour assets under the National
Marine Planning Framework;

b. Support the achievement of Ports of National
Significance Tier 1 status for the Ports of
Waterford and Rosslare Europort

Development of the Port of Waterford (Belview) as
a major International Gateway

Priorities for the Port of Waterford and Rosslare Europort
include investment in capacity and infrastructure,
including full freight rail accessibility and services using
extant rail infrastructure and road upgrades to provide
improved access routes to the Ports which will support
sustainable development.
The growth and development of the Rosslare and
Waterford Ports and the return of passenger services
to Waterford Airport are key to the development of the
Metropolitan Area and the major urban centres of the
South-East.

Development of the Port of
Waterford (Belview) as a Major
International Gateway
The Port of Waterford is Ireland’s closest
multi-modal port to Continental Europe
with significant capacity for growth. A
Port of National Significance (Tier 2) and a
Comprehensive Port on the Ten-T Network,
it currently handles 1 million tonnes of
bulk product (primarily Agri-Related) and
100,000 tonnes of break bulk (timber, steel).
The Port of Waterford Master Plan provides a
framework to provide for future infrastructure
investment requirements for enhanced capacity, which
includes quay extensions, widening and deepening of
shipping channels and installation of walling to reduce
requirements for dredging, deeper berths at quays, and a
larger turning basin.
The RSES supports development of freight rail services
and facilities at the Region’s ports. For the Port of
Waterford, this will require improvements to the
Waterford to Limerick rail line as a key strategic freight
corridor to build the Region’s international connectivity.
For the Port to function effectively for the State and
support modal shift freight rail as part of wider climate
action programmes, effective financial incentives
should be provided. The Port has a significant industrial
hinterland including the IDA’s 55 ha Strategic Industrial
landbank and the port has identified the need for further
additional land and facilities to support port activity in
the Master Plan.
Improvements to the N29 and the intersection close to
the N25 will enable lands to be released for development
and facilitate Port expansion.
Under Food Harvest 2020, the Port of Waterford will
continue to be a key export point for the agri-food sector,
and Waterford can support economic development
through improved routes to market for SMEs and all
industry sectors

Support for continued exchequer assistance
for regional airports under the Regional
Airports Programme, support the role of
Waterford Airport and Kerry Airport and
develop their potential as key tourism and
business gateways for their regions as a
complement to the services provided by the
region’s national airport gateways of Cork
Airport and Shannon International Airport

The maintenance and enhancement of
the national roads network, catering for
transport demand within the Waterford
Metropolitan Area, for improved interurban
/ inter-regional connectivity/
reduced journey times and for improved
access to international gateways, including
Port of Waterford, Rosslare-Europort and
Waterford Airport, through:

International Gateway to the Region with the Port
of Waterford - Belview and Waterford Airport;

The growth and development of the Rosslare and
Waterford Ports and the return of passenger services
to Waterford Airport are key to the development of the
Metropolitan Area and the major urban centres of the
South-East.

Waterford Airport provides key strategic
infrastructure for the Waterford MASP area
and is a Gateway for the wider South-East.
Investment in a runway extension will enhance the
international connectivity potential of Waterford for
Business (including multi-national companies involved
in export trade), support the development of TUSE
Research and Development with international partners
and provide for increased tourist traffic. The runway
extension of 500m sought by Waterford Airport would
significantly increase the capacity of the airport to cater
for larger aircraft and more frequent flights

Waterford Airport
It is an objective to support the further development of
Waterford Airport and, in particular, the development of:
• an extension of the existing runway to accommodate
larger aircraft;
• improved transport linkages and services between
the airport, Waterford City and the entire SouthEast
Region, i.e. roads and public transport;
• measures to encourage additional operators
offering services from this location;
• the expansion and development of aviation-related
industries at the airport.
In this regard, Development Plans should incorporate
policies to protect longer-term flight path public safety
zones and to control uses which could adversely impact
on the airport’s operations or the potential for new
runway development and extensions sufficient to handle
larger aircraft.
Local Authorities should ensure that consideration of
airport-related infrastructure and facilities is informed
by an adequate level of environmental assessment
including assessment of potential impacts on designated
European sites.

Harry Palmr

Discussion about this on Deise Today can be heard here - Thomas Phelan (regional assembly) and Rob Cass talking. Interesting chat.

Deise Today Tuesday 11th February Part 1

Start from 18.45 minutes

https://www.wlrfm.com/deise-today/

Muttley79

This is worrying times for Waterford as cork-limerick are ramping up their developments and cork to grow six times quicker than Waterford,rob cass is very informative with figures and information,interesting to hear Thomas Phelan has only taken over Waterford section the last number of months and seemed suprised the person he took over from seemed to lie down and roll over while cork-limerick have ploughed on with their developments.will we ever catch a break!!!

hardybuck

Muttley79 wrote: »

This is worrying times for Waterford as cork-limerick are ramping up their developments and cork to grow six times quicker than Waterford,rob cass is very informative with figures and information,interesting to hear Thomas Phelan has only taken over Waterford section the last number of months and seemed suprised the person he took over from seemed to lie down and roll over while cork-limerick have ploughed on with their developments.will we ever catch a break!!!

I'd be more concerned that €650m was wiped off the value of Irish stocks today, particularly in the banking and construction sector.

Harry Palmr

€650m is the amount wiped if Trump sends off a nasty tweet about EU trade policy, nothing to worry about. If you are worried about finances then worry about Coronavirus rather than Sinn Fein

hardybuck

Harry Palmr wrote: »

€650m is the amount wiped if Trump sends off a nasty tweet about EU trade policy, nothing to worry about. If you are worried about finances then worry about Coronavirus rather than Sinn Fein

Two viruses. One will be cured far quicker than the other and result in fewer deaths.

Harry Palmr

Fancy speaking your mind in a few paragraphs but in a constructive manner?

Waterford Coco survey on branding for Waterford.

https://forms.zohopublic.eu/cpower/form/WaterfordBrandDevelopmentSurvey/formperma/sVXxE7A1xi5QZXV5VE53ZmzKPTnwh4d4fjihELQjbNQ

azimuth17

What I saw and answered was a trivial and meaningless one page survey. It looks like Captain Panic has set in to council.

Muttley79

Harry Palmr wrote: »

Fancy speaking your mind in a few paragraphs but in a constructive manner?

Waterford Coco survey on branding for Waterford.

https://forms.zohopublic.eu/cpower/form/WaterfordBrandDevelopmentSurvey/formperma/sVXxE7A1xi5QZXV5VE53ZmzKPTnwh4d4fjihELQjbNQ[/quot
This doesn't look good at all when the council can't seem to come up with any plans in how to draw investment into waterford and they are now asking the public for ideas.something tells me the whole north quay projects could be in big financial trouble.