Heavyweight Boxing

wotzgoingon · 02-06-2019 4:06pm

I just re-watched the Katie Taylor fight and Katie won fair and square. Delfine won the last round and one other round. That's two and then she also done good at the end of round two in the last 25-30 seconds. To be fair we will give that to Delfine that's 3 rounds won versus 7 to Katie.

Dirkziggler · 02-06-2019 4:09pm

wotzgoingon wrote: »

I just re-watched the Katie Taylor fight and Katie won fair and square. Delfine won the last round and one other round. That's two and then she also done good at the end of round two in the last 25-30 seconds. To be fair we will give that to Delfine that's 3 rounds won versus 7 to Katie.

Think it was alot closer then you give it

weemcd · 02-06-2019 4:12pm

I had the Taylor fight a draw with a number of close rounds that again could have been a draw or went either way. I think the calls of robbery are exaggerated. Two minute rounds are also more difficult to score. I think the rematch will be very interesting. Delfine did finish the stronger of the two, and had there been two more rounds it might have been very different.

wotzgoingon · 02-06-2019 4:16pm

weemcd wrote: »

I had the Taylor fight a draw with a number of close rounds that again could have been a draw or went either way. I think the calls of robbery are exaggerated. Two minute rounds are also more difficult to score. I think the rematch will be very interesting. Delfine did finish the stronger of the two, and had there been two more rounds it might have been very different.

The last round Delfine won fair and square Katie was wrecked and if it was a 12 round fight Katie would have got knocked out from exhaustion.

wally1990 · 02-06-2019 4:44pm

Another breakdown of the fight
https://youtu.be/cIr2LgCpzT8

nacho libre · 02-06-2019 4:49pm

So Ruiz's slow feet did not matter because he has fast hands ,and more tellingly he could stand square and take a punch. If i was Joshua's team i'd be worried about the rematch, considering Ruiz has five months to prepare, compared to the five- six weeks for this one. I bet Eddie Hearn is sorry Miller failed the doping tests now. The look on his face at the end was priceless:pac:

eagle eye · 02-06-2019 4:55pm

wotzgoingon wrote:

I just re-watched the Katie Taylor fight and Katie won fair and square. Delfine won the last round and one other round. That's two and then she also done good at the end of round two in the last 25-30 seconds. To be fair we will give that to Delfine that's 3 rounds won versus 7 to Katie.

I can't agree with that. I gave them three clear rounds each but the other four were close. I think a draw would have been a fair result. Katie was out on her feet at the end and if she was knocked down she lost the fight but she hung on thankfully.
I'm delighted she won and I don't think that it's a disgraceful decision but it was very tight.

Sebastian Dangerfield · 02-06-2019 4:56pm

pac_man wrote: »

I think McCracken is a good trainer and his cv stems a lot further than Froch.He's a very good amateur coach. I think a simple 1-2 is solid advice against a smaller fighter. Joshua simply wasn't throwing enough.Its too easy to blame a trainer after a defeat.

At one point, after being told to throw the 1-2, Joshua said "How do I get him?". Very odd. As were some of the things he said in the week about camp being torturous, didnt sound happy. Well done Ruiz, I was packing up to go to bed when he got put down, thought it was game over. AJ will be back for sure, but Id fancy Ruiz in the rematch too.

Thought Josh Kellys performance was very odd too. His output is far too low. Ive read people say "Nas had the same style" but Nas had single punch KO power, which Kelly doesnt. Im not sure Booth is the right coach for him

eagle eye · 02-06-2019 4:59pm

Yeah Josh Kelly was lucky to get a draw imo, I thought he lost that fight by two.
Clearly a lot of talent in there but he needs to learn how to jab to score.

Angliru · 02-06-2019 5:00pm

Taylor won the first, the sixth and maybe the ninth. The seventh was fairly close too. However she did not win more than 4 rounds, no way she won 5, and absolutely f*cking no way she won 6 rounds. Not the worst gift I have seen, but pretty foul tbh.

nacho libre · 02-06-2019 5:05pm

Just to add Joshua was humble in defeat and did not seek to blame his trainer, as many fighters seek to do when they lose. McCracken is not to blame for this, Joshua was perhaps a bit complacent going into the fight,and i felt he did not utilise his advantages as he should have. I think he could well lose the rematch, but he will certainly use his jab and height more effectively next time around. Fair play to Ruiz though, crucially he showed a great chin, unlike Joshua, when he got floored, his legs were still solid and he knew where he was. He also took a big punch a few seconds after getting back up.
Maybe if Joshua had Wilder's one punch knock out power, Ruiz might not have been able to get back up in that third round.

nacho libre · 02-06-2019 5:09pm

eagle eye wrote: »

I can't agree with that. I gave them three clear rounds each but the other four were close. I think a draw would have been a fair result. Katie was out on her feet at the end and if she was knocked down she lost the fight but she hung on thankfully.
I'm delighted she won and I don't think that it's a disgraceful decision but it was very tight.

I wonder is she happy deep down with the result. She did not look to me like she felt she had won at the end of the fight. There should be a rematch to settle it

eagle eye · 02-06-2019 5:17pm

nacho libre wrote:

I wonder is she happy deep down with the result. She did not look to me like she felt she had won at the end of the fight. There should be a rematch to settle it

I think she thought she won at the end of the fight but you'd expect that.
I think when she looks back at it she will not be happy with her performance and realise that if she listened to her coach she'd have won a lot handier. I think she'd be up for a rematch but her team mightn't

Donald Trump · 02-06-2019 5:23pm

y0ssar1an22 wrote: »

thats the problem. its meant to be a sport

Says who?

Pro-boxing is a business and decisions that are made are business decisions.

Sebastian Dangerfield · 02-06-2019 5:30pm

On the plus side, maybe that makes a fight between Joshua and Wilder more likely. Id still like to see it. Wilder will fancy it more now, and AJ wanting to be the A side on everything is out the window.
Hell probably freezes over before Hearn and Warren do a deal for AJ Fury though

Angliru · 02-06-2019 5:32pm

Absolute scenes when pensioner Ortiz bombs Wilder with a left hand and Ortiz/Ruiz is the undisputed champion fight :pac:

mirwillbeback · 02-06-2019 5:43pm

Macdarack wrote: »

Who's the lardass Joshua is fighting?

The Heavyweight Champion of the world, that’s who.

Angliru · 02-06-2019 5:48pm

mirwillbeback wrote: »

The Heavyweight Champion of the world, that’s who.

First post on the forum since 8 and a half years ago and this is it....quality

Dirkziggler · 02-06-2019 5:58pm

mirwillbeback wrote: »

The Heavyweight Champion of the world, that’s who.

Boooom

squinn2912 · 02-06-2019 6:35pm

I’m just catching up now lads being a Liverpool fan I’ve had a very fragile head today!
So crazy reactionary stuff in the thread. What a result!
Firstly praise for Ruiz Jr he fought a great fight. I’ve got some humble pie to eat because I ridiculed him before the fight. From the get go he looked dangerous and has very fast hands with good hw power.
Aj fought him all wrong. Gave up the centre of the ring and threw 20% fewer punches per round than usual. He should have been using his jab. He thought he had it won in R3 but got caught by two lovely left hooks as he rashly charged in. That punch had been on. He didn’t even see them and was groggy the rest of the fight.
I wouldn’t read in too much to what he said between rounds he was concussed and couldn’t recover. McCracken tried a simple message to jab and 1-2 but aj couldn’t get back on track.
Aj has everything he needs to win the rematch and I expect him to do that. He’s still elite. It was a huge upset and we’ll see how he reacts.
Ruiz gets to be champ now for a few months at self. Brilliant for boxing

Strazdas · 02-06-2019 6:39pm

nacho libre wrote: »

I wonder is she happy deep down with the result. She did not look to me like she felt she had won at the end of the fight. There should be a rematch to settle it

She definitely didn't box well and won't be happy with that performance

The talk of Persoon "winning by a mile" and "daylight robbery" from some pundits is a hysterical overreaction though. The fight was very, very close. Katie might have felt hard done by herself if the decision had gone against her.

fonecrusher1 · 02-06-2019 7:01pm

So whats the story is Ruiz contractually bound to a rematch for his next fight? And did I see earlier in the thread that includes fighting in the UK?

Sebastian Dangerfield · 02-06-2019 7:41pm

fonecrusher1 wrote: »

So whats the story is Ruiz contractually bound to a rematch for his next fight? And did I see earlier in the thread that includes fighting in the UK?

Hearn said so afterwards, but wouldn't rule out him milking a pro Mexican audience on the West Coast while AJ has a tune up

thisonetaken · 02-06-2019 8:12pm

Sebastian Dangerfield wrote: »

On the plus side, maybe that makes a fight between Joshua and Wilder more likely. Id still like to see it. Wilder will fancy it more now, and AJ wanting to be the A side on everything is out the window.
Hell probably freezes over before Hearn and Warren do a deal for AJ Fury though

AJ wouldn’t last 4 rounds with Wilder, there is no chance of that fight ever happening now

Sebastian Dangerfield · 02-06-2019 8:18pm

thisonetaken wrote: »

AJ wouldn’t last 4 rounds with Wilder

Thats why I want to see it!

nacho libre · 02-06-2019 8:24pm

Did anyone notice Joshua's father seemed to have an issue with Hearn after the fight. Maybe something happened in the camp, but like i said Joshua did not look for excuses as to why he lost. I thought he was phoney for a long time, but surely the mask would have slipped after losing if he was really that way?

Too Tough To Die · 02-06-2019 8:26pm

Sebastian Dangerfield wrote: »

Hearn said so afterwards, but wouldn't rule out him milking a pro Mexican audience on the West Coast while AJ has a tune up

He's not Eddie's fighter to milk though.

Ultimate Seduction · 02-06-2019 8:45pm

https://www.instagram.com/p/ByNk0jIn3ut/?igshid=10ersoqkhi8xy

wotzgoingon · 02-06-2019 8:55pm

The steroids didn't help him anyway.

Sebastian Dangerfield · 02-06-2019 8:59pm

Too Tough To Die wrote: »

He's not Eddie's fighter to milk though.

Id be amazed if Eddie Hearn gave anyone a golden ticket of a title shot at AJ without options on them in the event they won. But maybe not

fonecrusher1 · 02-06-2019 9:00pm

wotzgoingon wrote: »

The steroids didn't help him anyway.

That's totally uncalled for now in fairness.

yourdeadwright · 02-06-2019 9:23pm

I seen a good interveiw with Dave Allen who basically said AJ hasnt improved as a fight in the last 4 years , Says he get people because of his size ,strenght ,

He also touched on his defence as myself and other wise spoke about on here before , said everyone knows he just use the sheer size of his arms amd has zero head movement

Been saying it for a while bit Wilder is a nightmare for him because Wilder will land and thats a ko WHEN he does

Too Tough To Die · 02-06-2019 9:31pm

Sebastian Dangerfield wrote: »

Id be amazed if Eddie Hearn gave anyone a golden ticket of a title shot at AJ without options on them in the event they won. But maybe not

The option is a rematch. I'm not sure if it still stands if AJ decides to take a confidence building fight in the mean time, but Ruiz is a PBC fighter.

I think it's a risky strategy taking the rematch right away. It's hard to see how AJ could come back from back to back losses to Ruiz.

normanoffside · 02-06-2019 10:17pm

Finally got around to watching the fight.
First off, Whoever was complaining about the scorecards is miles out. AJ won 1-2 and probably 5.
Ruiz won 3 and 4, probably 6.
So to have ot a point either way after 6 is normaly.

Second off, I think AJ is done now. I genuinely think his own aura of invincibility went in the 3rd. I can't see him being the same again.

jeremyj1968 · 02-06-2019 10:32pm

yourdeadwright wrote: »

I seen a good interveiw with Dave Allen who basically said AJ hasnt improved as a fight in the last 4 years , Says he get people because of his size ,strenght ,

Yeah saw the interview with Dave, thought he was right. AJ just didn't look right, look like his attention was elsewhere. Was doing odd things with his gumshield. And what the hell were they doing with his neck before the start of the first round?

The man seemed far too happy after the loss, as if he had just passed all the pressure of being the champion on to somebody else. He reminds me a lot of Bruno when he is in trouble - like there is a small man inside him in charge of the controls, and he's just been knocked out of his chair.

jeremyj1968 · 02-06-2019 10:34pm

I'd say Ruiz is the sort of guy who has never started a bar fight, but has ended more than a few.

yourdeadwright · 02-06-2019 10:40pm

jeremyj1968 wrote: »

Yeah saw the interview with Dave, thought he was right. AJ just didn't look right, look like his attention was elsewhere. Was doing odd things with his gumshield. And what the hell were they doing with his neck before the start of the first round?

The man seemed far too happy after the loss, as if he had just passed all the pressure of being the champion on to somebody else. He reminds me a lot of Bruno when he is in trouble - like there is a small man inside him in charge of the controls, and he's just been knocked out of his chair.

Not sure if it's been mentioned on here but in the ring after AJ dad was having a right go at Hearn and AJ was saying it was my choice to him ?

No idea what that's about maybe he was hurt and decided to fight defo something going on he was fuming AJ had to pull him away

normanoffside · 02-06-2019 10:44pm

jeremyj1968 wrote: »

Yeah saw the interview with Dave, thought he was right. AJ just didn't look right, look like his attention was elsewhere. Was doing odd things with his gumshield.

His bottle is gone, I am calling it. I Don't think we'll ever see the same AJ again.

jeremyj1968 · 02-06-2019 10:49pm

normanoffside wrote: »

His bottle is gone, I am calling it. I Don't think we'll ever see the same AJ again.

Certainly seemed like he did not want to be there. Maybe he's just had enough. Teddy Atlas was saying that he thinks AJ has too much money and cited the proverb of "waking up in silk sheets".

I'm just watching it back here and in between one of the rounds Joe is talking to him and AJ just says "What do you think he's gonna come out and do?" and gets involved in a conversation with him. Just very unusual.

Mike9832 · 02-06-2019 10:50pm

yourdeadwright wrote: »

I seen a good interveiw with Dave Allen who basically said AJ hasnt improved as a fight in the last 4 years , Says he get people because of his size ,strenght ,

He also touched on his defence as myself and other wise spoke about on here before , said everyone knows he just use the sheer size of his arms amd has zero head movement

Been saying it for a while bit Wilder is a nightmare for him because Wilder will land and thats a ko WHEN he does

He fights small

Constantly lowering his head down

Which is crazy when your 6'6 and have good power

Should really mirror himself on Wladimir Klitschko

Fight tall, head back, protect the chin, use his size

He will beat Ruiz easily with better tactics

Morrison J · 02-06-2019 11:15pm

Most disappointing thing about Joshua last night was how he basically quit. Thought he was tougher than that. Can get away with a dodgy chin to an extent if you're tough (ie Wilder) but if you've a dodgy chin and have the quit in you then it's a different story.

Obviously all the talk of Joshua getting knocked out by the likes of Price, Okolie and Dubois in sparring are all true.

Blanco100 · 02-06-2019 11:16pm

People saying its only a matter of time before Wilder lands. Nobody giving enough credit to Ruiz who is a techincally sound fighter with good fundamentals.

He set his shots up extremely well, hes not an athlete who became a boxer, hes a boxer who doesnt look like an athlete.

Who knows, Wilder may not find his way through as easy. For all we know Ruiz could do the same to Wilder. It was a terrific performance credit where credits due.

yourdeadwright · 03-06-2019 12:05am

Mike9832 wrote: »

yourdeadwright wrote: »

I seen a good interveiw with Dave Allen who basically said AJ hasnt improved as a fight in the last 4 years , Says he get people because of his size ,strenght ,

He also touched on his defence as myself and other wise spoke about on here before , said everyone knows he just use the sheer size of his arms amd has zero head movement

Been saying it for a while bit Wilder is a nightmare for him because Wilder will land and thats a ko WHEN he does

He fights small

Constantly lowering his head down

Which is crazy when your 6'6 and have good power

Should really mirror himself on Wladimir Klitschko

Fight tall, head back, protect the chin, use his size

He will beat Ruiz easily with better tactics

Strange thing is he took a proper beating last night he said hinself he had recovered in round 5 feom the shot he took in round 3
He was smiling durning the counts and then i know peoole say humble but in my eyes he sound emtionless and defeated,strange night but it wasnt a lucky punch he got beat up bad

03-06-2019 12:12am

Hey guys, I am a massive MMA fan but I also watch a lot of boxing (but not an expert by any means).

I am just wondering what do the big boxing fans on here think about last nights fight....... was it a fluke win by Ruiz? Do you think he will win the second fight? Really interested in the opinions on here.

Mike9832 · 03-06-2019 12:15am

yourdeadwright wrote: »

Mike9832 wrote: »

yourdeadwright wrote: »

I seen a good interveiw with Dave Allen who basically said AJ hasnt improved as a fight in the last 4 years , Says he get people because of his size ,strenght ,

He also touched on his defence as myself and other wise spoke about on here before , said everyone knows he just use the sheer size of his arms amd has zero head movement

Been saying it for a while bit Wilder is a nightmare for him because Wilder will land and thats a ko WHEN he does

He fights small

Constantly lowering his head down

Which is crazy when your 6'6 and have good power

Should really mirror himself on Wladimir Klitschko

Fight tall, head back, protect the chin, use his size

He will beat Ruiz easily with better tactics

Strange thing is he took a proper beating last night he said hinself he had recovered in round 5 feom the shot he took in round 3
He was smiling durning the counts and then i know peoole say humble but in my eyes he sound emtionless and defeated,strange night but it wasnt a lucky punch he got beat up bad

His post fight interview was even stranger, all happy and smiles, just lost etc

Hearn looked depressed, dejected, worried.

If I had to guess, I would say he won't fight Ruiz again after watching that interview.

Hes already talking about Wilder

Didn't sound like a man who wanted his belts back, ala Lennox Lewis

fonecrusher1 · 03-06-2019 12:31am

Deleted User wrote: »

Hey guys, I am a massive MMA fan but I also watch a lot of boxing (but not an expert by any means).

I am just wondering what do the big boxing fans on here think about last nights fight....... was it a fluke win by Ruiz? Do you think he will win the second fight? Really interested in the opinions on here.

It wasn't a fluke. You'll catch the fight on Youtube and decide yourself.

eagle eye · 03-06-2019 12:34am

Deleted User wrote:

I am just wondering what do the big boxing fans on here think about last nights fight....... was it a fluke win by Ruiz? Do you think he will win the second fight? Really interested in the opinions on here.

No fluke.
I think he will win the second fight if AJ doesn't learn and improve. AJ's height and reach advantage should be big factors if he is able to use them, he didn't last night.

brendanwalsh · 03-06-2019 1:04am

AJ was certainly concussed after the third round and may have even been carrying a concussion into the fight.

His strange questioning and discussions in between rounds was bizarre and his behaviour afterwards equally so.

After one knock down he smiled and winked at ruiz.
Then gave him a big hug after he got smashed.

He failed to follow referee instructions due to concussion, ref told him walk forward and aj smiled and said let's go and then leaned back on the ropes.
The lights were on but there was no one home.

AJ deserved to have wilder be the one to beat him though. There's no shame in losing to wilder. Being beaten by a sack of lard with two baseball bats stuck to him is embarrassing.

Dirkziggler · 03-06-2019 1:14am

brendanwalsh wrote: »

AJ was certainly concussed after the third round and may have even been carrying a concussion into the fight.

His strange questioning and discussions in between rounds was bizarre and his behaviour afterwards equally so.

After one knock down he smiled and winked at ruiz.
Then gave him a big hug after he got smashed.

He failed to follow referee instructions due to concussion, ref told him walk forward and aj smiled and said let's go and then leaned back on the ropes.
The lights were on but there was no one home.

AJ deserved to have wilder be the one to beat him though. There's no shame in losing to wilder. Being beaten by a sack of lard with two baseball bats stuck to him is embarrassing.

A big sack of lard with crazy hand speed. Ruiz feet weren't very quick but his hands are lethal don't forget the sport is boxing.

yourdeadwright · 03-06-2019 1:31am

The whole being humble stuff was odd , oh its all part of my legacy doesnt sit right , He seemed to not be bothered by being ko'd amd how in gods name will he beat Wilder if Ruiz is koing him who isnt a big puncher by any strech

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