Dublin Marathon moves to lottery entries!

skyblue46 · 01-11-2019 7:59pm

Murph_D wrote: »

Make me an offer.

This is exactly the sort of thing the organisers should have foreseen! Unscrupulous exploitation. Why in the name of God they couldn't just use a simple lottery system I'll never know!!!!............oh wait...

Swashbuckler · 01-11-2019 8:08pm

I have to admit I had a friends code in hand all day and was close to pulling the trigger but decided against.

Bananaleaf · 01-11-2019 8:18pm

KSU wrote: »

How dare volunteers finish on a Friday and take the weekend off. The cheek

They have clarified the 72 hours is from when email is sent so from Monday for some.

Firstly, the FFS was my frustration at the situation, not the volunteers. I can see now that it doesn't read that way. As someone who volunteers regularly at my own club I know the amount of time they put in, so apologies if any offence was taken - genuinely wasnt directed at volunteers or organisers.

Also, and again, not worded very well by me I admit, what I meant about being sceptical was that I was sceptical about the number of places that are left.
My suspicion is that they have sent out 22.5k codes or whatever amount they have and now the computer says no when they try to generate codes for the rest of us previous customers.
I don't think it is a coincidence that they chose to stagger the emails with codes and I dont think it's a coincidence that they did it on a Friday (just before the weekend) or that they gave people 72hrs (until the end of the weekend) to claim. In fact, it is clever.

They must waiting to see how many of the first 22.5k don't avail of the offer. By 12pm on Monday they will know that and then the rest of us will begin to receive texts with the unused codes. But sure they cant admit this on social media because we'll all go digging our pitchforks out of the shed!

In fairness, it is the most sensible way to do what they are trying to do. It doesn't make me less frustrated, but I also accept that that's life.

rovers_runner · 01-11-2019 8:24pm

frash wrote: »

Ah go on - tell us

More that 22,500 anyway

I got mine and I'm in again for next year

Around 50000 was the number I was given.
It will be sold out by Monday at this rate.

skyblue46 · 01-11-2019 8:26pm

Bananaleaf wrote: »

Firstly, the FFS was my frustration at the situation, not the volunteers. I can see now that it doesn't read that way. As someone who volunteers regularly at my own club I know the amount of time they put in, so apologies if any offence was taken - genuinely wasnt directed at volunteers or organisers.

Also, and again, not worded very well by me I admit, what I meant about being sceptical was that I was sceptical about the number of places that are left.
My suspicion is that they have sent out 22.5k codes or whatever amount they have and now the computer says no when they try to generate codes for the rest of us previous customers.
I don't think it is a coincidence that they chose to stagger the emails with codes and I dont think it's a coincidence that they did it on a Friday (just before the weekend) or that they gave people 72hrs (until the end of the weekend) to claim. In fact, it is clever.

They must waiting to see how many of the first 22.5k don't avail of the offer. By 12pm on Monday they will know that and then the rest of us will begin to receive texts with the unused codes. But sure they cant admit this on social media because we'll all go digging our pitchforks out of the shed!

In fairness, it is the most sensible way to do what they are trying to do. It doesn't make me less frustrated, but I also accept that that's life.

That's right up there with some of the best conspiracy theories in history!

skyblue46 · 01-11-2019 8:28pm

Swashbuckler wrote: »

I have to admit I had a friends code in hand all day and was close to pulling the trigger but decided against.

Do it! You're a runner. Enter in your own name. Don't go the assuming an identity route...

KSU · 01-11-2019 8:35pm

Bananaleaf wrote: »

Firstly, the FFS was my frustration at the situation, not the volunteers. I can see now that it doesn't read that way. As someone who volunteers regularly at my own club I know the amount of time they put in, so apologies if any offence was taken - genuinely wasnt directed at volunteers or organisers.

Also, and again, not worded very well by me I admit, what I meant about being sceptical was that I was sceptical about the number of places that are left.
My suspicion is that they have sent out 22.5k codes or whatever amount they have and now the computer says no when they try to generate codes for the rest of us previous customers.
I don't think it is a coincidence that they chose to stagger the emails with codes and I dont think it's a coincidence that they did it on a Friday (just before the weekend) or that they gave people 72hrs (until the end of the weekend) to claim. In fact, it is clever.

They must waiting to see how many of the first 22.5k don't avail of the offer. By 12pm on Monday they will know that and then the rest of us will begin to receive texts with the unused codes. But sure they cant admit this on social media because we'll all go digging our pitchforks out of the shed!

In fairness, it is the most sensible way to do what they are trying to do. It doesn't make me less frustrated, but I also accept that that's life.

Sorry tried to add the smiley face to show I was joking, just fatigue from the mass social media hysteria the last few days.

I would imagine the stagger is something a bit more simple. The lottery entries opened today as well as the guaranteed spots so I reckon probably a way of making sure the site doesn't crash and people really lose their sh!t.

Also they can't mass send out emails as they are unique codes generated so the manual work is probably significant enough from IT side with that as well.

Higgins5473 · 01-11-2019 8:54pm

Bananaleaf wrote: »

Firstly, the FFS was my frustration at the situation, not the volunteers. I can see now that it doesn't read that way. As someone who volunteers regularly at my own club I know the amount of time they put in, so apologies if any offence was taken - genuinely wasnt directed at volunteers or organisers.

Also, and again, not worded very well by me I admit, what I meant about being sceptical was that I was sceptical about the number of places that are left.
My suspicion is that they have sent out 22.5k codes or whatever amount they have and now the computer says no when they try to generate codes for the rest of us previous customers.
I don't think it is a coincidence that they chose to stagger the emails with codes and I dont think it's a coincidence that they did it on a Friday (just before the weekend) or that they gave people 72hrs (until the end of the weekend) to claim. In fact, it is clever.

They must waiting to see how many of the first 22.5k don't avail of the offer. By 12pm on Monday they will know that and then the rest of us will begin to receive texts with the unused codes. But sure they cant admit this on social media because we'll all go digging our pitchforks out of the shed!

In fairness, it is the most sensible way to do what they are trying to do. It doesn't make me less frustrated, but I also accept that that's life.

I honestly don't think DCM are this organised or calculated judging by past performances.

I'd also question the volunteer aspect of the post you are responding to. This is a registered business with with massive turnover, 2 million plus from the marathon alone, excluding the Dublin series, merchandise etc. This is a business and you can be absolutely guaranteed people are making good money from it. Decent customer service levels should be provided and on a race sale launch day shutting up shop and going home with some automated response is piss poor, especially with all the mixed messages being given out in the last few days.

Singer · 01-11-2019 9:06pm

Higgins5473 wrote: »

I honestly don't think DCM are this organised or calculated judging by past performances.

I'd also question the volunteer aspect of the post you are responding to. This is a registered business with with massive turnover, 2 million plus from the marathon alone, excluding the Dublin series, merchandise etc. This is a business and you can be absolutely guaranteed people are making good money from it. Decent customer service levels should be provided and on a race sale launch day shutting up shop and going home with some automated response is piss poor, especially with all the mixed messages being given out in the last few days.

Not only are they making good money from it, the next race they’re organising is on the moon! I don’t see the point of that at all.

Slow_Runner · 01-11-2019 9:21pm

My OH ran it in 2016 (1st and only marathon to date) and recieved a code via email today! Methinks there is some serious IT screwups happening. I got code after 12 today, was going to wait until Monday to enter but now not sure if their system is up to it tbh so might sign up now, was going to run it anyway.

chinguetti · 01-11-2019 9:28pm

Higgins5473 wrote: »

I honestly don't think DCM are this organised or calculated judging by past performances.

I'd also question the volunteer aspect of the post you are responding to. This is a registered business with with massive turnover, 2 million plus from the marathon alone, excluding the Dublin series, merchandise etc. This is a business and you can be absolutely guaranteed people are making good money from it. Decent customer service levels should be provided and on a race sale launch day shutting up shop and going home with some automated response is piss poor, especially with all the mixed messages being given out in the last few days.

I've volunteered for 5 of the last 7 marathons (ran the other two) and I've never been paid a penny. I think most of the people working on the marathon on Sunday or the Expo didn't get a penny. Yep, it makes money but that money pays for the cups of teas we get, the odd sandwich we eat and also for security/Garda/medics etc. I was told by someone a couple of years ago that it costs €400K to close the roads for the day of the marathon. Without us volunteers (loaded down with the money we were paid:rolleyes:) last weekend, you'd be hard pressed to run an Expo, have a bag drop, provide safe roads for runners, hand you out water on the route and give you a medal.

But you go ahead and say that they're all fleecing it. There's a lot of people on here moaning all week and really folks, some of ye want to grow up. The marathon can't do anything right in some of yer eyes even when they listened to people and made changes they can't win. Yes, they made mistakes and would probably admit that but some of ye should cop on.

I'd love to see some of ye try to organise a small event and see the amount of hassle and red tape you come up against. For example, I'm trying to book a room from one of the councils for 2 hours and 3 weeks in, I'm still jumping through hoops to meet all their demands and getting no where. Try doing that for a marathon event and complain to me then.

Rant over

Higgins5473 · 01-11-2019 9:48pm

chinguetti wrote: »

I've volunteered for 5 of the last 7 marathons (ran the other two) and I've never been paid a penny. I think most of the people working on the marathon on Sunday or the Expo didn't get a penny. Yep, it makes money but that money pays for the cups of teas we get, the odd sandwich we eat and also for security/Garda/medics etc. I was told by someone a couple of years ago that it costs €400K to close the roads for the day of the marathon. Without us volunteers (loaded down with the money we were paid:rolleyes:) last weekend, you'd be hard pressed to run an Expo, have a bag drop, provide safe roads for runners, hand you out water on the route and give you a medal.

But you go ahead and say that they're all fleecing it. There's a lot of people on here moaning all week and really folks, some of ye want to grow up. The marathon can't do anything right in some of yer eyes even when they listened to people and made changes they can't win. Yes, they made mistakes and would probably admit that but some of ye should cop on.

I'd love to see some of ye try to organise a small event and see the amount of hassle and red tape you come up against. For example, I'm trying to book a room from one of the councils for 2 hours and 3 weeks in, I'm still jumping through hoops to meet all their demands and getting no where. Try doing that for a marathon event and complain to me then.

Rant over

Your response was very predictable, and inevitable.

I am talking about the people who are managing IT systems and payments. They are not volunteers. It was very obvious who I was referring to, not the folk on the ground.

By the way, I never ever said “fleecing it”, I said people were making good money from it, they are.

Slow_Runner · 01-11-2019 9:52pm

chinguetti wrote: »

I've volunteered for 5 of the last 7 marathons (ran the other two) and I've never been paid a penny. I think most of the people working on the marathon on Sunday or the Expo didn't get a penny. Yep, it makes money but that money pays for the cups of teas we get, the odd sandwich we eat and also for security/Garda/medics etc. I was told by someone a couple of years ago that it costs €400K to close the roads for the day of the marathon. Without us volunteers (loaded down with the money we were paid:rolleyes:) last weekend, you'd be hard pressed to run an Expo, have a bag drop, provide safe roads for runners, hand you out water on the route and give you a medal.

But you go ahead and say that they're all fleecing it. There's a lot of people on here moaning all week and really folks, some of ye want to grow up. The marathon can't do anything right in some of yer eyes even when they listened to people and made changes they can't win. Yes, they made mistakes and would probably admit that but some of ye should cop on.

I'd love to see some of ye try to organise a small event and see the amount of hassle and red tape you come up against. For example, I'm trying to book a room from one of the councils for 2 hours and 3 weeks in, I'm still jumping through hoops to meet all their demands and getting no where. Try doing that for a marathon event and complain to me then.

Rant over

As someone who organizes races I agree with everything you say above, there is hell of a lot of work involved and is insanely expensive. Outside of volunteers, the medics/garda/council/clean up crew all have to be payed for as well as equipment rental, publishing costs, - the list is endless so I'd say there is not much profit. Add I to that the race series which must be a loss maker. €90 is a fair price for what you are getting.

I think the main issue here with the majority of people is it doesn't appear that they have thought this through and are winging it, with 40 years experience they should be more on the ball. For me the lottery seems to be the fairest method (probably should have a loyalty program like Berlin where people with 10+ Dublin marathons get preferential entry). They back tracked on the lottery due to the back lash and appear to have put in a system that has not been fully tested, might have been better if they put the entire thing on hold until they had a concrete plan.
Having said that the backlash has been a bit ott! On the whole they do an excellent job and put on a brilliant event year in year out. Have to say the volunteers this year were unreal, every encounter I had with them from number collection, medals, goodie bag, guy picking me off he ground at the finish line, each one called me by name and were really pleasant- this was obviously because of good organizing.

cougar · 01-11-2019 9:54pm

Got the email this morning and signed up. Delighted it was easy for me, hopefully everyone will get sorted in the next few days. All of these changes have made sure I'd sign up straight away. I'm sure I'm not the only one. I'd expect the number of spaces on the lottery will be severely limited as a result.

adrian522 · 01-11-2019 9:58pm

chinguetti wrote: »

I've volunteered for 5 of the last 7 marathons (ran the other two) and I've never been paid a penny. I think most of the people working on the marathon on Sunday or the Expo didn't get a penny. Yep, it makes money but that money pays for the cups of teas we get, the odd sandwich we eat and also for security/Garda/medics etc. I was told by someone a couple of years ago that it costs €400K to close the roads for the day of the marathon. Without us volunteers (loaded down with the money we were paid:rolleyes:) last weekend, you'd be hard pressed to run an Expo, have a bag drop, provide safe roads for runners, hand you out water on the route and give you a medal.

But you go ahead and say that they're all fleecing it. There's a lot of people on here moaning all week and really folks, some of ye want to grow up. The marathon can't do anything right in some of yer eyes even when they listened to people and made changes they can't win. Yes, they made mistakes and would probably admit that but some of ye should cop on.

I'd love to see some of ye try to organise a small event and see the amount of hassle and red tape you come up against. For example, I'm trying to book a room from one of the councils for 2 hours and 3 weeks in, I'm still jumping through hoops to meet all their demands and getting no where. Try doing that for a marathon event and complain to me then.

Rant over

Completely agree, the work that goes into an event like this is staggering and from what I can see the organisers have done their best to come up with a system that is fair to everyone but all they are getting for it is a lot of complaints to put it mildly.

I've volunteered for the marathon and also help put on another running event in Dublin and I have to say the DCM organisation is first class, top to bottom, from information nights for stewards, expo to how everything works on the day.

The put a lot of money back into the sport (clubs get a donation for providing steward) and they put on one of the best races in Europe.

event · 01-11-2019 10:17pm

Slow_Runner wrote: »

Having said that the backlash has been a bit ott!

A bit?

It's a marathon ffs. You'd swear this was the only marathon in Ireland next year. No one has died yet the posts here and on social media over last week have been disgraceful at times, an absolute joke.

Absolutely a 1st World problem. Boo boo, I can't get in to a marathon next year.

Go run Galway Bay, longford, Cork, Belfast, connemara, limerick, Waterford, Derry.

Go contact MCI and run of the great events they put on all year round.

It's just a race.

chinguetti · 01-11-2019 10:34pm

Higgins5473 wrote: »

Your response was very predictable, and inevitable.

I am talking about the people who are managing IT systems and payments. They are not volunteers. It was very obvious who I was referring to, not the folk on the ground.

By the way, I never ever said “fleecing it”, I said people were making good money from it, they are.

Nope its not obvious, you refer to 'people' and say they're making money, you don't mention IT systems or payments, you lump everyone in together.

The person dealing with the social media for the marathon I believe isn't paid and if you look at their Facebook page alone, they've been working flat out. That's before you look at Twitter, emails or phonecalls to mention just 3 other methods of getting in touch.

Sorry for begin 'predictable' but if the marathon folk wants to hire a company to deal with an aspect of the marathon, its their company and I'd be fairly sure they have tight budgets to work within. Why would anyone volunteer to deal with the last few days madness, you couldn't be paid enough for the hassle they've got in my mind.

Higgins5473 · 01-11-2019 10:49pm

chinguetti wrote: »

Nope its not obvious, you refer to 'people' and say they're making money, you don't mention IT systems or payments, you lump everyone in together.

The person dealing with the social media for the marathon I believe isn't paid and if you look at their Facebook page alone, they've been working flat out. That's before you look at Twitter, emails or phonecalls to mention just 3 other methods of getting in touch.

Sorry for begin 'predictable' but if the marathon folk wants to hire a company to deal with an aspect of the marathon, its their company and I'd be fairly sure they have tight budgets to work within. Why would anyone volunteer to deal with the last few days madness, you couldn't be paid enough for the hassle they've got in my mind.

Give it a rest will you? You’re great, I get it.

Somebody questioned why offices were shut at 5pm, somebody responded by saying they are volunteers and deserved to go home at a weekend at the right time. I responded by saying those that are shutting up shop on a Friday at 5pm are most likely not volunteers, the fact that they did finish bang on 5 on a Friday most likely means they are hired staff on the clock. Volunteers as you well know by being such a good one, possibly the best the DCM has by your own testimony, would probably keep the lines of communication open for as long as possible.

Contractors are hired for all sorts to do with the DCM, people do make money, administration staff dealing directly with payments, marketing, PR, IT being the most likely. I really didn’t think it was necessary to make it absolutely clear what the differences were between those that are contracted and those that give out bananas and goodie bags.

Can the conversation please end on just how amazing the volunteers are now and how much time they put in? It was never suggested there were no volunteers who do great work for the DCM.

Cona · 01-11-2019 11:04pm

Lads,
My father got sent a link as he ran it 2016. It came to my email address as I normally do this for him.

Can I take the code for myself or is it strictly limited to him?

Ceepo · 01-11-2019 11:05pm

It looks like that a lot of people found out that they're not the most important people in the world.....:rolleyes::rolleyes:

Singer · 01-11-2019 11:08pm

Higgins5473 wrote: »

Your response was very predictable, and inevitable.

I am talking about the people who are managing IT systems and payments. They are not volunteers. It was very obvious who I was referring to, not the folk on the ground.

By the way, I never ever said “fleecing it”, I said people were making good money from it, they are.

Here's a predictable response. You're making this stuff up off the top of your head right?

Higgins5473 · 01-11-2019 11:11pm

Singer wrote: »

Here's a predictable response. You're making this stuff up off the top of your head right?

Making up what exactly? My suggestion that people are profiting from the Event? Nobody is making money from the marathon?

KSU · 01-11-2019 11:29pm

Higgins5473 wrote: »

Making up what exactly? My suggestion that people are profiting from the Event? Nobody is making money from the marathon?

Plenty are. The council are making close to have a half million in road closures. Garda are making plenty in overtime, t shirt company making their cut, insurance company taking their piece of the pie, clubs are making there but for supplying volunteers , plenty of athletes getting Prize money, RDS getting their fair share for hall rental.

roarlad · 01-11-2019 11:31pm

I love the strawman argument, whereby because we are critising those organising the marathon it suddenly conflates to critising Joe Bloggs who marshalls a 5k race in Sligo etc. week in and week out.

Those at the top of DCM have displayed consistent ineptitude and nepotism in their "management" of the race, while pocketing the profits.

They lie, hide, change their minds with the wind and show no accountability for their actions.

As for the current farcical situation we've ended up in currently, it was completely predictable. As others have said, their will be limited to no available via lottery.

Hopefully at some stage we get a clean out at the top...

Singer · 01-11-2019 11:37pm

Higgins5473 wrote: »

Making up what exactly? My suggestion that people are profiting from the Event? Nobody is making money from the marathon?

There are a small number of for-profit organisations involved in the marathon. By "making up" I mean that you have zero insight in to the actual expenses of the Dublin City Marathon and are basing your opinion off a bunch of speculative ideas that only exist in your brain, similar to my moon race idea

Murph_D · 01-11-2019 11:38pm

roarlad wrote: »

I love the strawman argument, whereby because we are critising those organising the marathon it suddenly conflates to critising Joe Bloggs who marshalls a 5k race in Sligo etc. week in and week out.

Those at the top of DCM have displayed consistent ineptitude and nepotism in their "management" of the race, while pocketing the profits.

They lie, hide, change their minds with the wind and show no accountability for their actions.

As for the current farcical situation we've ended up in currently, it was completely predictable. As others have said, their will be limited to no available via lottery.

Hopefully at some stage we get a clean out at the top...

Your comments look libelous to me. But even if they were true, who would do the ‘cleaning’? The company that owns the Marathon is a not-for-profit with three or four directors and four employees. It’s not like there are thousands of shareholders who can vote them out at the AGM.

Ceepo · 01-11-2019 11:41pm

roarlad wrote: »

I love the strawman argument, whereby because we are critising those organising the marathon it suddenly conflates to critising Joe Bloggs who marshalls a 5k race in Sligo etc. week in and week out.

Those at the top of DCM have displayed consistent ineptitude and nepotism in their "management" of the race, while pocketing the profits.

They lie, hide, change their minds with the wind and show no accountability for their actions.

As for the current farcical situation we've ended up in currently, it was completely predictable. As others have said, their will be limited to no available via lottery.

Hopefully at some stage we get a clean out at the top...

I sincerely hope that you are going to put your name forward for a position in an attempt to put an end to the ineptitude and nepotism that you feel is going on...

Singer · 01-11-2019 11:43pm

KSU wrote: »

Plenty are. The council are making close to have a half million in road closures. Garda are making plenty in overtime, t shirt company making their cut, insurance company taking their piece of the pie, clubs are making there but for supplying volunteers , plenty of athletes getting Prize money, RDS getting their fair share for hall rental.

They're all paid money for sure, but hardly unjustified and there's no evidence of excessive profit taking. DCM relies on a huge amount of goodwill from many sources.

KSU · 01-11-2019 11:48pm

Singer wrote: »

They're all paid money for sure, but hardly unjustified and there's no evidence of excessive profit taking. DCM relies on a huge amount of goodwill from many sources.

Sorry my point was that when all is said and done and all costs taken into account there isn’t a whole lot of money that isn’t accounted for in costs and overheads.

Scrooge McDuck Jim Aughney is not as a result of his huge efforts put into the race

grimbergen · 01-11-2019 11:50pm

event wrote: »

A bit?

It's a marathon ffs. You'd swear this was the only marathon in Ireland next year. No one has died yet the posts here and on social media over last week have been disgraceful at times, an absolute joke.

Absolutely a 1st World problem. Boo boo, I can't get in to a marathon next year.

Go run Galway Bay, longford, Cork, Belfast, connemara, limerick, Waterford, Derry.

Go contact MCI and run of the great events they put on all year round.

It's just a race.

I logged in just to like this. The sense of entitlement and instant outrage that some people have will never cease to amaze me.

Ceepo · 01-11-2019 11:55pm

grimbergen wrote: »

I logged in just to like this. The sense of entitlement and instant outrage that some people have will never cease to amaze me.

^^^^ THIS^^^

Higgins5473 · 01-11-2019 11:56pm

Singer wrote: »

There are a small number of for-profit organisations involved in the marathon. By "making up" I mean that you have zero insight in to the actual expenses of the Dublin City Marathon and are basing your opinion off a bunch of speculative ideas that only exist in your brain, similar to my moon race idea

What are the small number of for profit organisations? And what are the actual expenses? I’m assuming you have these figures and details otherwise it is assumptions or “making up” as you describe it....or in fact you agree people do in fact make money form this and a certain standard of customer service should be delivered i.e. not pissing off on the opening day of sales with mixed messages sent out about things are communicated .
Your moon race thing might’ve sound funny or witty in your head, not the best in fairness.

Singer · 01-11-2019 11:56pm

KSU wrote: »

Sorry my point was that when all is said and done and all costs taken into account there isn’t a whole lot of money that isn’t accounted for in costs and overheads.

Scrooge McDuck Jim Aughney is not as a result of his huge efforts out into the race

Definitely agree here. It would be pretty cool if the organising committee of DCM were all millionaires by now, however the reality is that it barely survives from year to year.

ligerdub · 01-11-2019 11:58pm

There were 34,500 unique names from those who ran (does not include non-runners) in 2017-2019. Of these names there is about 5% of entrants who share a name with somebody else who ran. There's also a fair few thousand non-entrants not included in this. There'll be a few missed here in that it needs to be an exact match, but by and large there's not too many typo's.

So with that in mind it's reasonable to assume that there was in the region of 40,000 emails sent out. Of these a lot of them were probably international and unlikely to do again. I'd say it will run close to filling up from past entrants alone though. My guess would be about 15,000 will take up their spot over the 72 hours but that's just a guess.

Singer · 02-11-2019 12:22am

Higgins5473 wrote: »

What are the small number of for profit organisations? And what are the actual expenses? I’m assuming you have these figures and details otherwise it is assumptions or “making up” as you describe it....or in fact you agree people do in fact make money form this and a certain standard of customer service should be delivered i.e. not pissing off on the opening day of sales with mixed messages sent out about things are communicated .
Your moon race thing might’ve sound funny or witty in your head, not the best in fairness.

I am not making extraordinary claims about DCM like you are. I believe that it is a largely volunteer driven event based off sources such as the recent book about the marathon and brief interactions with members of the organising committee on boards, local parkrun Whatsapps, and media such as the Running Bean podcast. Did they get the registration for 2020 right? Not at all. However, none of this means that you have any idea what you're talking about.

Higgins5473 · 02-11-2019 12:24am

Singer wrote: »

I am not making extraordinary claims about DCM like you are. I believe that it is a largely volunteer driven event based off sources such as the recent book about the marathon and brief interactions with members of the organising committee on boards, local parkrun Whatsapps, and media such as the Running Bean podcast. Did they get the registration for 2020 right? Not at all. However, none of this means that you have any idea what you're talking about.

You are terribly naive.

skyblue46 · 02-11-2019 12:36am

Higgins5473 wrote: »

You are terribly naive.

What are you basing this on?

Higgins5473 · 02-11-2019 12:37am

skyblue46 wrote: »

What are you basing this on?

Common sense

skyblue46 · 02-11-2019 12:42am

Higgins5473 wrote: »

Common sense

Forgive me but I'm missing it too...now you may be Jim Aughney in disguise coming on here to salve your soul or you might be some **** stirrer who never posted in this forum until the opportunity to throw muck arose, I really don't know. But if you have something to back up your comments I'd be delighted to hear it.

donnacha · 02-11-2019 12:45am

Both my wife and I got emailed 2 unique codes today. We both ran DCM in 2019 and the last previous time was 2016.

Singer · 02-11-2019 12:49am

Higgins5473 wrote: »

Common sense

Ah well, I admit defeat to those two words. You clearly have access to the accounting records of DCM and can apply common sense in a way that I am sorely lacking at. Fools like me believe that it is a barely cost achieving event run entirely by volunteers. Out of interest, given how deep you are into this thread, do you have any actual information to share about how the Dublin City Marathon is run, or are you just making a bunch of stuff up in your head?

Higgins5473 · 02-11-2019 1:22am

Singer wrote: »

Ah well, I admit defeat to those two words. You clearly have access to the accounting records of DCM and can apply common sense in a way that I am sorely lacking at. Fools like me believe that it is a barely cost achieving event run entirely by volunteers. Out of interest, given how deep you are into this thread, do you have any actual information to share about how the Dublin City Marathon is run, or are you just making a bunch of stuff up in your head?

Isn’t it just as worthwhile for me to ask you for figures in defence of all your ‘barely cost achieving event run entirely by volunteers’? without including the unnecessary insults of “just making a bunch of stuff up in your head”....we’ve the exact same argument going on with neither of us providing any actual evidence. My premise is very basic, that any mass event is primarily money driven and will make profit or it will not exist, that’s basically it. I think that’s a fairly reasonable assumption and I am doing it with having to insult you. Anyway goodnight, we’ll see how the next few days pan out, as I said I suspect it will be a mismanaged **** show.

Van.Bosch · 02-11-2019 1:34am

For those who think the marathon is making loads of cash each year or that the 2020 entry process is just to make more money, who do they think is getting the cash? There seems to be an acceptance that the event is mainly volunteer driven who don’t get paid. So where is the “profit” going, is the belief that Jim Aughney And the top mgt team are igetting paid a large salary?

PhilOssophy · 02-11-2019 8:44am

I think Jim Corr needs to be contacted at this juncture.

Murph_D · 02-11-2019 9:16am

Higgins5473 wrote: »

Isn’t it just as worthwhile for me to ask you for figures in defence of all your ‘barely cost achieving event run entirely by volunteers’? without including the unnecessary insults of “just making a bunch of stuff up in your head”....we’ve the exact same argument going on with neither of us providing any actual evidence. My premise is very basic, that any mass event is primarily money driven and will make profit or it will not exist, that’s basically it. I think that’s a fairly reasonable assumption and I am doing it with having to insult you. Anyway goodnight, we’ll see how the next few days pan out, as I said I suspect it will be a mismanaged **** show.

New York Marathon, Boston Marathon, even the London marathon are not-for-profits. Profit? It depends what you mean. Yes, they generate a surplus, but that is not ‘pocketed’ by the top brass, it’s redistributed according to the aims of the generally charitable organisations owning the races. This information is all readily available. There is no reason I know of to suspect that Dublin is profit driven. Anyone with access to corporate databases can get their annual filings with the CRO, abridged accounts etc. If there were a bunch of people at the top living large off the surplus (if there even is a surplus) they would soon find themselves in difficulty recruiting the thousands of volunteers needed to actually stage the event. And so would those other, much larger, events listed above.

Whatever about how Dublin Marathon has handled the events of the past week - and no one could argue that they haven’t acted a little unpredictably - to jump from that to the kind of statements made above and in your other posts is simply irrational.

PhilOssophy · 02-11-2019 4:00pm

And, the likes of London and New York have big offices with lots of people working on the event all year round, not 1 person in an office and a load of volunteers.

Higgins5473 · 02-11-2019 7:58pm

Murph_D wrote: »

New York Marathon, Boston Marathon, even the London marathon are not-for-profits. Profit? It depends what you mean. Yes, they generate a surplus, but that is not ‘pocketed’ by the top brass, it’s redistributed according to the aims of the generally charitable organisations owning the races. This information is all readily available. There is no reason I know of to suspect that Dublin is profit driven. Anyone with access to corporate databases can get their annual filings with the CRO, abridged accounts etc. If there were a bunch of people at the top living large off the surplus (if there even is a surplus) they would soon find themselves in difficulty recruiting the thousands of volunteers needed to actually stage the event. And so would those other, much larger, events listed above.

Whatever about how Dublin Marathon has handled the events of the past week - and no one could argue that they haven’t acted a little unpredictably - to jump from that to the kind of statements made above and in your other posts is simply irrational.

The absolute bollocks over reaction to the fact that I suggested that some people may actually be profiting/making money from the marathon is a joke.

I have mentioned ‘contractors’ I.e. some people profit from this and not the devoted poor soul huddled by a burning candle trying to handle all social media and payments.

Two last very obvious comments:

- There are hugely devoted volunteers who give a lot of time to the marathon set up for nothing.

- There are people employed to provide certain services of the marathon and are paid handsomely for it. These people should be the ones that orchestrate payment systems and proper distribution of places.

Does anyone work and make money from this marathon? Therefore it should be properly organised?

Small bit of information which may come as a surprise to a lot of people here:

Not for profit - this does not equate not getting paid...

jamule · 02-11-2019 8:14pm

Higgins5473 wrote: »

The absolute bollocks over reaction to the fact that I suggested that some people may actually be profiting/making money from the marathon is a joke.

I have mentioned ‘contractors’ I.e. some people profit from this and not the devoted poor soul huddled by a burning candle trying to handle all social media and payments.

Two last very obvious comments:

- There are hugely devoted volunteers who give a lot of time to the marathon set up for nothing.

- There are people employed to provide certain services of the marathon and are paid handsomely for it. These people should be the ones that orchestrate payment systems and proper distribution of places.

Does anyone work and make money from this marathon? Therefore it should be properly organised?

Small bit of information which may come as a surprise to a lot of people here:

Not for profit - this does not equate not getting paid...

so they buy in essential services and these suppliers make money out of it. fook me i thought they all done it for free. wow.

so they need to get rid of timing, tshirts, medals, toilets, barriers, the rds etc etc. maybe people should just turn up and run.

adrian522 · 02-11-2019 8:17pm

Higgins5473 wrote: »

The absolute bollocks over reaction to the fact that I suggested that some people may actually be profiting/making money from the marathon is a joke.

I have mentioned ‘contractors’ I.e. some people profit from this and not the devoted poor soul huddled by a burning candle trying to handle all social media and payments.

Two last very obvious comments:

- There are hugely devoted volunteers who give a lot of time to the marathon set up for nothing.

- There are people employed to provide certain services of the marathon and are paid handsomely for it. These people should be the ones that orchestrate payment systems and proper distribution of places.

Does anyone work and make money from this marathon? Therefore it should be properly organised?

Small bit of information which may come as a surprise to a lot of people here:

Not for profit - this does not equate not getting paid...

You should definitely donate your time to sort all this out, I look forward to significant improvements once you get involved sometime early next week.

Higgins5473 · 02-11-2019 8:30pm

jamule wrote: »

so they buy in essential services and these suppliers make money out of it. fook me i thought they all done it for free. wow.

so they need to get rid of timing, tshirts, medals, toilets, barriers, the rds etc etc. maybe people should just turn up and run.

adrian522 wrote: »

You should definitely donate your time to sort all this out, I look forward to significant improvements once you get involved sometime early next week.

two totally irrelevant posts. both again patronising.

do certain personnel make money from the marathon and therefore it should be ensure it decent administrative levels should be provided to paying customers? yes.

are there very good dedicated volunteer staff that get paid nothing and provide quality service? yes.

I'm getting a headache repeating myself.

Dublin Marathon moves to lottery entries!

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