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Who Watches the Watchmen (Our Chit Chat Thread)

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  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,170 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    cnocbui wrote: »
    The EV reliability thing is a bit bogus, if you ask me. Unkle's 2014 P85 has had to have a new battery pack, tyre pressure sensors, wiper (I think?), MCU - he himeslf jokes his car will soon be 100% new parts.
    Well there is the increasing complexity and the need for product turnover too. They could make an EV last decades, but it's not something the market wants to see so... Look how long an airliner can last in service, getting updates and refits as it goes. Decades, because it's good for the market. Hell there are still a few DC3's in the air working for a living.
    The older I get, the more inclined I am towards appreciating the libertairian viewpoint.
    I went the opposite way C. I would be a social "libertarian" in the sense of do what you like so long as it doesn't impact others or society negatively. Though tbh I always found libertarianism of the US kind well dodgy on a few levels. A fantasy land that would quite quickly turn into a horror, an I'm alright Jack philosophy and in some a sociopathy masquerading as a politic. And wider human nature shows it to be a politic on the margins. It's pretty much a given that when societies throughout history become richer they fire more and more resources at social type spending. Why? Because it works out better for the societies overall. Of the American kind I reckon Christopher Hitchens summed it up for me when he said he found it rather quaint that there exists a movement like libertarianism in the US that thinks Americans aren't selfish enough.

    Rejoice in the awareness of feeling stupid, for that’s how you end up learning new things. If you’re not aware you’re stupid, you probably are.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,110 ✭✭✭Thirdfox


    Fitz II wrote: »
    Anyway back to watches wearing the VC today, was mixing cement all morning (damn thats hard graft) and good to shower and get a watch back on.

    Building cement or teeth cement (is there such a thing?)

    No showering with the watch? Tsk tsk... :pac:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,140 ✭✭✭James Bond Junior


    I recognise the yellow M4 in the background!


  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,170 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    Thirdfox wrote: »
    Building cement or teeth cement (is there such a thing?)
    Maybe Fitz is building cement from teeth? :eek: :D But yeah mixing cement is graft alright.
    No showering with the watch? Tsk tsk... :pac:
    I'd feel weird having a shower wearing a watch tbh.

    Rejoice in the awareness of feeling stupid, for that’s how you end up learning new things. If you’re not aware you’re stupid, you probably are.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Hi, I know nothing about watches, but I saw a Seiko on HUKD/Amazon a while ago that had an orange face, and I really liked the look of it.

    https://www.amazon.co.uk/Seiko-Analogue-Automatic-Stainless-SRPD59K1/dp/B07WGMTVRL/ref=sr_1_1?dchild=1&keywords=seiko+orange&qid=1615738666&s=watch&sr=1-1

    It was about £180, reduced from £250 and I was ready to pull the trigger, but I read a few reviews, it seems that it isn't a great watch and that it would be worth spending a bit more to get a decent one, and in particular, one from Seiko's Prospex range. That led me to a similar looking one, the SRPC07, which is apparently a reissue of their original Samurai model, and which is an exclusive to Amazon in the USA. It was available there for $350, reduced from the RRP of $525, so I ordered it today, with delivery due next Friday 17th. All in, including VAT, duty and delivery it cost me €385. I know that it is not really a bargain, as they rarely go for the RRP, but I am happy with the purchase as I really like the looks of it and it gets decent reviews. Be interested to know what you guys think. Thanks.

    https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0788THC7S/ref=ppx_od_dt_b_asin_title_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1


  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,170 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    Good choice there Dobby. Much better than the first pick.

    Rejoice in the awareness of feeling stupid, for that’s how you end up learning new things. If you’re not aware you’re stupid, you probably are.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,310 ✭✭✭✭Cienciano


    Wibbs wrote: »
    Well there is the increasing complexity and the need for product turnover too. They could make an EV last decades, but it's not something the market wants to see so... Look how long an airliner can last in service, getting updates and refits as it goes. Decades, because it's good for the market. Hell there are still a few DC3's in the air working for a living.

    Oh yeah, this is another bugbear of mine. People buying a new car every few years and pretending environmental reasons is a factor. I have people I work with who'll get annoyed if a sheet of paper goes in the wrong bin but think nothing of changing their car every few years. I've no problem with people changing cars. Just stop pretending it's for environmental reasons


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,938 ✭✭✭C0N0R


    Thirdfox wrote: »
    Building cement or teeth cement (is there such a thing?)

    No showering with the watch? Tsk tsk... :pac:

    Reminds me of the time I tried to fix my braces with balsa cement, orthodontist was not impressed. He also had a gorgeous e46 m3 at the time


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,110 ✭✭✭Thirdfox




    I'm thinking of this Mr Bean dentist cement (at around 3:47 mark - though the whole thing is worth watching in full I think :D ) Anyone spot what watch he's wearing?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J0cZK1c0wpE


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 724 ✭✭✭athlone573


    Dobbytoes wrote: »
    Hi, I know nothing about watches...

    Great choice, another Seiko Samurai owner on the forum, an Orange one even!

    With the short lug to lug distance I find it very comfortable to wear

    Plus its a "proper" dive watch with 200m of water resistance!


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 805 ✭✭✭Roycropper63


    @dobby
    recently bought a samauri padi and i think the orange version is stunning!
    am interested to hear what you think when it arrives and the cost landed etc by pm if you dont want to answer on open forum
    thanks


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    Wibbs wrote: »
    Good choice there Dobby. Much better than the first pick.
    athlone573 wrote: »
    Great choice, another Seiko Samurai owner on the forum, an Orange one even!

    With the short lug to lug distance I find it very comfortable to wear

    Plus its a "proper" dive watch with 200m of water resistance!
    @dobby
    recently bought a samauri padi and i think the orange version is stunning!
    am interested to hear what you think when it arrives and the cost landed etc by pm if you dont want to answer on open forum
    thanks

    Thanks guys. I'll update and post pictures when it arrives. I paid a couple of dollars extra for the fast delivery, and it is expected to arrive on Friday. I am expecting it to cost €387 in total, as Amazon add on the appropriate taxes ($85). They haven't deducted anything from my card yet, so I will confirm that also. I could have got it delivered to a relative in the States, and then got it forwarded, but for the sake of the extra few quid, I decided to just do it properly with Amazon.

    I really like the look of the orange dial myself, and it was that colour on their cheaper model on Amazon UK that started me on the trail that ended up with this purchase. This particular model is an Amazon exclusive. There is anoter model number that comes with a spare rubber strap, but I couldn't find that anywhere.

    I have just started wearing a watch again, and am currently wearing a cheap Skagen that I picked up a good few years ago, which isn't too bad looking, but this will be my first proper watch since the Seiko I had many, many years ago that had a digital calendar built in which let you check a date from up to a hundred years ago. That was quite the novelty at the time, which will tell you how long ago that was!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 65,719 ✭✭✭✭unkel
    Chauffe, Marcel, chauffe!


    cnocbui wrote: »
    The EV reliability thing is a bit bogus, if you ask me. Unkle's 2014 P85 has had to have a new battery pack, tyre pressure sensors, wiper (I think?), MCU - he himeslf jokes his car will soon be 100% new parts.

    Teslas have poor build quality. Not on a par with the quality we have come to appreciate from German cars and Korean cars (some Japanese cars not so much so anymore these days, particularly when it comes to engines - but anyway ICE are very quickly going the way of the dodo). Things have improved an awful lot over the last few years and look particularly good for cars not built in the USA. Mine is an early Tesla, so not so good. Plenty of problems with these cars.

    My car is 7 years old. Have it just over a year now and have another full year bumper to bumper warranty left. What other second hand 6 year old car can you buy that gives you 2 years full warranty?

    We had a major power outage in Lucan this evening, lasting nearly 3 hours. I powered the house from my car and called in to my neighbours, to see if they had any emergency needs for AC power. My car, fully charged, can power the essential needs in my house for several weeks.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,220 ✭✭✭✭Cyrus


    unkel wrote: »

    We had a major power outage in Lucan this evening, lasting nearly 3 hours. I powered the house from my car and called in to my neighbours, to see if they had any emergency needs for AC power. My car, fully charged, can power the essential needs in my house for several weeks.

    off topic but how does that work ?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,553 ✭✭✭Fitz II


    Cyrus wrote: »
    off topic but how does that work ?

    The Electric car owner, generates a smugness field of tremendous power, the Tesla cars have a AS/DS (alternating to direct smugness) converter that allows the owner to power external batteries and home appliances via a Type 3 cable inserted into the owner and car. and then directly to the fuse board of the house. Its only Model S owners can avail of this feature, as Leaf, Model3 and Kona owners are simply not smug enough although future over the air updates may change that.


  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,170 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    Fitz, you utter prick. I've just snorted tea all over my keyboard. :D:D My sinuses have rarely felt so clear, though I'll have to ask Thirdfox on his methods of cleaning keyboards.

    Rejoice in the awareness of feeling stupid, for that’s how you end up learning new things. If you’re not aware you’re stupid, you probably are.



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,170 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    I'm actually picturing a direct smugness convertor. :pac: One of my neighbours has been an early adopter of EV's, went from hybrids to a leaf and a mark 2 leaf and has a Model 3 on order. And fair enough, but yeah he's an odd mix of very nerdy accountant with OCD and a level of smug that is off the charts. Just on EV's mind, in every other way he'd be one of the least smug chaps you could ever hope to meet. One reason he gave me for his love of EV's was he has a near pathological hatred for the smell of fuel and hated using petrol pumps. Long before the pandemic he'd be wearing gloves at the local petrol station when filling up his hybrid back in the day. He doesn't like using public charge points either. Then again he's told me he's rarely used one. Charges at home and 90% of his driving with be suburban and urban so...

    Rejoice in the awareness of feeling stupid, for that’s how you end up learning new things. If you’re not aware you’re stupid, you probably are.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,553 ✭✭✭Fitz II


    Wibbs wrote: »
    One reason he gave me for his love of EV's was he has a near pathological hatred for the smell of fuel and hated using petrol pumps. Long before the pandemic he'd be wearing gloves at the local petrol station when filling up his hybrid back in the day.

    Before Covid took my sense of smell Petrol was my #1 favourite smell....as a EV owner these days my favourite smell is that of my own farts.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,110 ✭✭✭Thirdfox


    Wibbs wrote: »
    Fitz, you utter prick. I've just snorted tea all over my keyboard. :D:D My sinuses have rarely felt so clear, though I'll have to ask Thirdfox on his methods of cleaning keyboards.

    If you don't often clean keyboards I'd shudder to think what you'd find under yours :D - break out the black lights for when Wibbs was searching for vintage WWI trench watches :pac:


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  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,170 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    I hit them with a can of air every so often. That's on my Macbooks. Though I deliberately use 2014-16 examples as the later ones have completely shíte keyboards. Loads of failures. Then again IMHO Apple have gone rapidly downhill on their laptops over the last few years(the latest A1 Air is nice enough) Some aspects of their engineering beggar belief. Like placing moisture vulnerable components close to openings or having the backlight power circuit(loads of volts) sitting right beside the processor power circuit. :rolleyes:

    I've taken apart and cleaned a few desktop keyboards and the gunk in some... :eek:, though taking apart laptops... Luckily I'm not allergic to anything or I'd need an epi pen for such times. :D

    Rejoice in the awareness of feeling stupid, for that’s how you end up learning new things. If you’re not aware you’re stupid, you probably are.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,940 ✭✭✭✭banie01


    I have a straw diffuser attachment for my Dyson that does a fair job of sucking up the gunk.
    Keyboards are a dirt trap tho, can only imagine how bad mechanicals get.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,599 ✭✭✭Cyclingtourist


    Fitz II wrote: »
    The Electric car owner, generates a smugness field of tremendous power, the Tesla cars have a AS/DS (alternating to direct smugness) converter that allows the owner to power external batteries and home appliances via a Type 3 cable inserted into the owner and car. and then directly to the fuse board of the house. Its only Model S owners can avail of this feature, as Leaf, Model3 and Kona owners are simply not smug enough although future over the air updates may change that.

    When a cycle path takes me on a bridge over a motorway I experience an intense feeling of superiority, like being in heaven looking down on the poor bastards living in purgatory.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 65,719 ✭✭✭✭unkel
    Chauffe, Marcel, chauffe!


    Cyrus wrote: »
    off topic but how does that work ?

    The same as it works in any car, diesel, petrol, or EV :)

    I just connected a DC to AC inverter via a fused circuit to the 12V battery. The main difference here is that Teslas are always on. So the 12V will never be drained as the software monitors this battery and keeps it topped up from the high voltage (about 400V) battery via the DC-DC converter


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,110 ✭✭✭Thirdfox


    Wibbs wrote: »
    I hit them with a can of air every so often. That's on my Macbooks. Though I deliberately use 2014-16 examples as the later ones have completely shíte keyboards. Loads of failures. Then again IMHO Apple have gone rapidly downhill on their laptops over the last few years(the latest A1 Air is nice enough) Some aspects of their engineering beggar belief. Like placing moisture vulnerable components close to openings or having the backlight power circuit(loads of volts) sitting right beside the processor power circuit. :rolleyes:

    I've taken apart and cleaned a few desktop keyboards and the gunk in some... :eek:, though taking apart laptops... Luckily I'm not allergic to anything or I'd need an epi pen for such times. :D

    Macbook keyboards - I feel for you :D - their butterfly switches are notorious for being "not in line with the rest of premium package" :pac: - my wife even dislikes her Lenovo Thinkpad keyboard (which I'd consider one of the best for laptops) after using a proper mechanical one.
    banie01 wrote: »
    I have a straw diffuser attachment for my Dyson that does a fair job of sucking up the gunk.
    Keyboards are a dirt trap tho, can only imagine how bad mechanicals get.

    If you're not funny like I am about maintaining original stickers etc. - the IBM model M and variants apparently can just be thrown in the dishwasher (after removing the circuit board of course :D ) - I have seen pretty horrible office keyboards in my time (no-one is going to take the time to clean out the communal keyboard so if you ever do pop off a keycap there is probably enough DNA to restart humanity again :eek: ).
    When a cycle path takes me on a bridge over a motorway I experience an intense feeling of superiority, like being in heaven looking down on the poor bastards living in purgatory.

    Back when cycling to work was still a thing I certainly enjoyed speeding past the gridlock while in the cycle lane - I would beat cars and perform as well as a bus going in to work (factoring in the shower) - 22km roundtrip - treated it "free gym membership" :D

    Though equally on a wet windy day I look at the poor b*stards stuck on the side of a road with their bicycle fixing their flat tyre and thank myself that I'm being chauffeured by a nice comfy bus.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,149 ✭✭✭redlead


    I started watching the long way down last night where they are driving from the southern tip of Patagonia all the way up to LA. The difference being they decided to do it using electric bikes and support vehicles. There is basically zero charging infrastructure on route so the first three episodes is just constant range anxiety and bikes failing to charge. It was a seriously dumb idea. The support vehicles are prototype pre production Rivians that basically don't work. Fast forward 10/20 years and it will probably be as easy doing it on petrol bikes now.

    There seems to be a strong correlation between electric cars and luxury watches here. I came very close to pulling the trigger on ordering an ID4 before Christmas but didn't in the end. Was leaning more towards a model 3 but the trade in I was offered was taking the p1ss. 30 percent less than VW on a two year old car.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,940 ✭✭✭✭banie01


    The GFX/processor stickers usually come of my gear within a couple of months.
    Other stickers...
    Well now that I'm a student ;) I gotta be cool!
    IMG-20210313-111806-974.jpg


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,868 ✭✭✭sparrowcar


    redlead wrote: »
    I started watching the long way down last night where they are driving from the southern tip of Patagonia all the way up to LA. The difference being they decided to do it using electric bikes and support vehicles. There is basically zero charging infrastructure on route so the first three episodes is just constant range anxiety and bikes failing to charge. It was a seriously dumb idea. The support vehicles are prototype pre production Rivians that basically don't work. Fast forward 10/20 years and it will probably be as easy doing it on petrol bikes now.

    There seems to be a strong correlation between electric cars and luxury watches here. I came very close to pulling the trigger on ordering an ID4 before Christmas but didn't in the end. Was leaning more towards a model 3 but the trade in I was offered was taking the p1ss. 30 percent less than VW on a two year old car.

    I've a Mitsubishi Outlander PHEV. What's the equivalent of a hybrid car in watches... hope its not a Hublot :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,553 ✭✭✭Fitz II


    banie01 wrote: »
    The GFX/processor stickers usually come of my gear within a couple of months.
    Other stickers...
    Well now that I'm a student ;) I gotta be cool!
    IMG-20210313-111806-974.jpg

    Another Dune fan.....the sleeper has awakened. ! Cant wait for the new movie, looks great.

    Cars and Watches go hand in hand I think, all middle aged middle class male interests for the mechanically minded. I dont know that EV's in particular go with watches, Ev's are kinda the quartz of cars....
    sparrowcar wrote: »
    I've a Mitsubishi Outlander PHEV. What's the equivalent of a hybrid car in watches... hope its not a Hublot :)

    Spring Drive


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,149 ✭✭✭redlead


    sparrowcar wrote: »
    I've a Mitsubishi Outlander PHEV. What's the equivalent of a hybrid car in watches... hope its not a Hublot :)

    Clearly a Breitling Aerospace AniDigi

    01-17468-1f0d5a6a-f525-47c9-a77f-bc6f14d7ec86-500x.webp


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,940 ✭✭✭✭banie01


    Fitz II wrote: »
    Another Dune fan.....the sleeper has awakened. !

    Cars and Watches go hand in hand I think, all middle aged middle class male interests for the mechanically minded. I dont know that EV's in particular go with watches, Ev's are kinda the quartz of cars....

    I bloody love Dune, actually wrote a politics essay that got an A that was basically just a reframing of Dune'spolitics, to the current day :pac:

    Agree with you on the cars, watches and middle aged men correlation.
    I am toying with our next car being a full electric too.
    The Mrs is our "main" driver these days and it's virtually all urban.
    Electric fits her use perfectly but she is a bit conservative.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,553 ✭✭✭Fitz II


    banie01 wrote: »
    I bloody love Dune, actually wrote a politics essay that got an A that was basically just a reframing of Dune'spolitics, to the current day :pac:

    Must have read the first one 10 times, the later books never go a re read from me, got too dense although I liked a couple of the prequels. Very prophetic books, like orwell in that way. The similarities to the American, Russian involvement in the middle east is uncanny and the guild being big oil, I am sure they will be relevant in 100 years time also.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 65,719 ✭✭✭✭unkel
    Chauffe, Marcel, chauffe!


    redlead wrote: »
    Was leaning more towards a model 3 but the trade in I was offered was taking the p1ss. 30 percent less than VW on a two year old car.

    Sorry for off topic, but this is a common misconception / complaint. Tesla do not do trade ins like traditional garages. They don't want your car. If you have one to trade in, sell it privately or sell it to a dealer

    All Tesla do is make 3 phone calls to traders with details of your car and they will give you the highest figure of the three. Which obviously will be brutally low.


  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,170 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    Turns out I was a middle aged man at 15. :eek: :D

    I'd agree that for urban driving an EV is pretty much a no brainer really. And on a small island like we live on pretty much fine for most journeys most people take too. I'd be on the road often enough and would regularly drive to various bits of Wicklow from Dublin and I don't think there's an EV on sale, or used that wouldn't accommodate me as far as range goes.

    Rejoice in the awareness of feeling stupid, for that’s how you end up learning new things. If you’re not aware you’re stupid, you probably are.



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,170 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    I've a Dune first edition, or close to it somewhere about the place. I think it's the library edition though. Still pricey enough IIRC? Picked it up must be twenty years ago from a charity place for a fiver. The new flic will be interesting. The 80's one was hit and miss to say the least. Tbh I don't mind the later TV series one. Clunky as feck in places and clearly on a budget but with a lot more heart in it.

    Rejoice in the awareness of feeling stupid, for that’s how you end up learning new things. If you’re not aware you’re stupid, you probably are.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 65,719 ✭✭✭✭unkel
    Chauffe, Marcel, chauffe!


    Wibbs wrote: »
    I'd agree that for urban driving an EV is pretty much a no brainer really. And on a small island like we live on pretty much fine for most journeys most people take too. I'd be on the road often enough and would regularly drive to various bits of Wicklow from Dublin and I don't think there's an EV on sale, or used that wouldn't accommodate me as far as range goes.

    Many EVs on sale now can go from nearly anywhere in Ireland to anywhere else without charging (real life range of 400km). My own 7 year old car can nearly do that.

    Newest Tesla will do 800km. Does anybody in Ireland do more than 800km over here in a day, ever? :D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,553 ✭✭✭Fitz II


    Wibbs wrote: »
    I've a Dune first edition, or close to it somewhere about the place. I think it's the library edition though. Still pricey enough IIRC? Picked it up must be twenty years ago from a charity place for a fiver. The new flic will be interesting. The 80's one was hit and miss to say the least. Tbh I don't mind the later TV series one. Clunky as feck in places and clearly on a budget but with a lot more heart in it.

    I really liked the David Lynch movie, weird as **** and had a really good dune vibe. You must watch the Documentary about Jodorowsky's dune the greatest move never made. First edition is a winner although it was a big run so it will never go to the moon, but aa lovely thing to have. A classic classic book that very much formed my thinking as a teenager.


  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,170 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    Sorted for ya. :) Ahhh the winged hourglass.

    Rejoice in the awareness of feeling stupid, for that’s how you end up learning new things. If you’re not aware you’re stupid, you probably are.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,940 ✭✭✭✭banie01


    Wibbs wrote: »
    I've a Dune first edition, or close to it somewhere about the place. I think it's the library edition though. Still pricey enough IIRC? Picked it up must be twenty years ago from a charity place for a fiver. The new flic will be interesting. The 80's one was hit and miss to say the least. Tbh I don't mind the later TV series one. Clunky as feck in places and clearly on a budget but with a lot more heart in it.

    Library edition 1st edition is a lovely, lovely thing to own.

    The casting in the 1st movie was near perfect IMO.
    They just made a balls of adapting the story.
    There's a fan cut of the movie that takes all the versions released, and adds some background via v.o and animation that gives a better story, but it is still a mess of a movie.

    Enjoyed the Sci-fi channel adaptations but like you said, very limited by budget.
    The visuals of Sardaukar in foppish Swiss guard costume just didn't work either.

    I am really looking forward to the Villeneuve adaptation and I hope the second movie gets a green light.
    A release in October, of a magnum opus space opera into vaccinated cinemas?
    I really hope it works, because his casting is brilliant and the book really deserves a proper run at a movie.

    It's LOTR like in its sheer scale and that makes it almost impossible to film.
    But Jackson did a great job with LOTR and I do have huge hope that Villeneuve can do the same with Dune.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,110 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    Wibbs wrote: »
    I've a Dune first edition, or close to it somewhere about the place. I think it's the library edition though. Still pricey enough IIRC? Picked it up must be twenty years ago from a charity place for a fiver. The new flic will be interesting. The 80's one was hit and miss to say the least. Tbh I don't mind the later TV series one. Clunky as feck in places and clearly on a budget but with a lot more heart in it.

    I have a Dune 1977 edition, which is when I bought and read it. My reading skills were not up to it in 1965. I am not sure a Dune movie would be any good unless Ridley Scott made it with double the budget of his most expensive to date. it really is a testament to the book and Herbert that a worthy film version is such a massive hill to climb. I think a movie can't be made long enough to do it justice so a Game of Thrones/Raised by Wolves approach would be better.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,553 ✭✭✭Fitz II


    cnocbui wrote: »
    I have a Dune 1977 edition, which is when I bought and read it. My reading skills were not up to it in 1965. I am not sure a Dune movie would be any good unless Ridley Scott made it with double the budget of his most expensive to date. it really is a testament to the book and Herbert that a worthy film version is such a massive hill to climb. I think a movie can't be made long enough to do it justice so a Game of Thrones/Raised by Wolves approach would be better.

    Agree, a series would suit it well and something like raised by wolves. The new movie is only doing the first half of the first book and its about 3 hours, so I am hopeful. Denis Villeneuve is a good choice, Awas excellent and the world building of Bladerunner 2047 was excellent. But have to say something along the budget of the Expanse would be good and could go through the books. However the later books are frankly not that interesting and span thousands of years without a common cast of characters. The Lynch movie was all very mystical and magical which the books are not in any way.

    The initial test screenings were very positive, but its hard adapt a book where the lore and language are so dense and explanations are so few, to those that have read the book it will be superficial and those that have not it will be impenetrable. I am just happy something so cerebral is getting a chance for a change. Tenet was the last thing I saw in the cinema and it was a load of crap really with the worst sound mixing ever. The cinema is one of my favourite outings.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,203 ✭✭✭partyguinness


    Wibbs wrote: »
    Sorted for ya. :) Ahhh the winged hourglass.


    Sorry I actually posted in the wrong thread- should have been the pics thread..:o


  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,170 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    Just sorted that for you too. :)

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  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,170 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    Fitz II wrote: »
    But have to say something along the budget of the Expanse would be good and could go through the books.
    Dune would likely need a lot more than an Expanse budget. It's a fairly "cheap" a series to shoot. One season had location stuff, which was all in one place so that cuts costs, but it's mostly small sets and internals, with some location shooting, but even there quite small. To build the world of Dune would be pricey even with current CGI(which can get pricey enough too). Desert locations alone can be a nightmare. For me about the best looking and feeling desert on screen was Lawrence of Arabia. Then again the size and quality of the cameras and film stock they were using...
    The Lynch movie was all very mystical and magical which the books are not in any way.
    +1. As far as I recall didn't he renounce the film afterwards? Lynch is a great director, but to give him a flic of that budget and size and of an "unflimable" book on the back of experience that was much much smaller in budget...I dunno what the studio were thinking. You need a blockbuster type director like Scott or Spielberg at the helm of something like that. Though I'd say they'd see the project as somewhat of a poison chalice.

    There was that failed attempt to shoot it in the 70's by kinda crazy director Jodorowsky. The documentary of that is well worth a watch. It was going to feature music by Pink Floyd, a cast that included Salvador Dali as the Emperor. Orson Welles was in the mix too. It was doomed to failure, but the team of designers and FX guys he rounded up who came up with set, costume and ship designs certainly influenced a load of later flics. Many of his team ended up doing the designs for the Alien series of films and because Jodorowsky had hawked the project across Hollywood and wasn't secretive at all about his thoughts other films stole a look over his shoulder. Here's a design for the Harkonnen palace.

    jodorowskys_dune_trailer_2.jpg

    Spot the Alien. :) Well it was the same guy(Giger) who designed the Alien and the look of the alien craft in the flic of the same name.
    Tenet was the last thing I saw in the cinema and it was a load of crap really with the worst sound mixing ever.
    +1000 I did not get the hype over that at all.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,553 ✭✭✭Fitz II


    These new Disney series use these virtual sets, its like a full room VR means no location shooting and much faster VFX, the actors are on a stage with the virtual world projected around them that compensated for the paralax of the camera. The mandalorian did it and it looks flawless, cuts budgets to nothing. I thought the Lynch aesthetic suited dune perfectly he just tried to cram too much into 2 hours. Jodorowsky was a mad man legend. I note that he was going to get Pink Floyd to do the soundtrack and the new Vielneuve movie is using Floyd tracks given the Zimmer treatment.

    But the big question is what watch would a Freman wear?

    The convo on here today is going into strange and wonderful areas, I like it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,940 ✭✭✭✭banie01


    Fitz II wrote: »
    But the big question is what watch would a Freman wear?

    The convo on here today is going into strange and wonderful areas, I like it.

    I'll dig out Dr Willis E McNelly's Dune encyclopedia later and see what it says.

    I know that navigation on arrakis relied upon the paracompass which had to be reset to take account of local magnetic fields.
    That type of magnetic interference would likely good an unprotected mechanical?
    Water clocks are obviously a no, so I'm going to go with sand clocks!
    Giant egg timers and sun dials :pac:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,553 ✭✭✭Fitz II


    Rolex Milangegauss so


  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,170 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    il_fullxfull.154590970.jpg

    :D

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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,149 ✭✭✭redlead


    Fitz II wrote: »
    Tenet was the last thing I saw in the cinema and it was a load of crap really with the worst sound mixing ever. The cinema is one of my favourite outings.

    Funnily enough, that was the last movie I saw in the cinema too. I went in on my own on a day off and I was super excited to see it because I love Nolan. My God, it was ****e! Easily his worst movie to date after some truly brilliant ones.

    I would put Bladerunner as possibly my favourite ever film, well top three anyway. I have to say I was a bit disappointed with 2049. It really dragged in places. It was much too long. I should probably give it a second chance.

    On the subject of Dune, I actually loved David Lynchs movie but I tend to like David Lynch stuff in general. I never read the book so this thread has inspired me to read that next. I haven't read a science fiction book in years.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,017 ✭✭✭✭NIMAN


    Watched Tenet recently, and stopped it with 30min to go.

    It was just so poor and not worth the effort to finish it. Disappointed with Nolan, his stuff is usually so good.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 651 ✭✭✭Sonic the Shaghog


    Anyone know much about the reliability of a Seiko VH31 quartz movement?

    Looking at some watches that use it


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