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    #5912
    Zzippy
    Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 14,166 Mod ✭✭✭✭Zzippy


    bilston wrote: »
    It's good to get it.

    I got mine yesterday (AZ), I'm definitely suffering now!

    I can't remember the exact details of my weird dreams, but I was definitely helping Ted Hastings uncover police corruption at all levels in one of them! Aching all over now.:(

    Got the Pfizer jab today. I hope I have more pleasant dreams than you lads!


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    #5913
    Bazzo
    Registered Users Posts: 7,047 ✭✭✭Bazzo


    Zzippy wrote: »
    Got the Pfizer jab today. I hope I have more pleasant dreams than you lads!

    I had Pfizer and nothing more than a stiff shoulder after either shot if that's any consolation.


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    #5914
    Neil3030
    Registered Users Posts: 17,013 ✭✭✭✭Neil3030


    Bazzo you really shouldn't receive RNA vaccines while clinging onto the landing gear of a helicopter.


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    #5915
    jacothelad
    Registered Users Posts: 5,911 ✭✭✭jacothelad


    Neil3030 wrote: »
    Jaco, have you seen any of Martin Tobin's testimony in the trial into the death of George Floyd?

    His first day of testimony (~3 hrs) was a masterclass in respiratory physiology as it relates to the case; he came armed with 3D reconstructions of the scene, EELV estimations for a man Floyd's height in different body positions and restraints, diagrams of hypopharynx restriction under different stress on the lungs, the whole nine yards: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mjs29KBp3kA

    The defense cross-examined him the following day, and he pretty much torched every single one of their horse-s**t theories, including the influence of fentanyl, covid, meth, even nicotine (first ~20 mins here): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rwu42Lt4Skg

    The story then got interesting in the days following Tobin's testimony. The defense called their own medical witness who claimed Floyd's carboxyhemoglobin could have increased by up to 18% being so close to a car's tail-pipe for that period of time. The prosecution couldn't rebute this claim with specific lab work. When Floyd was admitted to the ER, and arterial bloods were taken, the physicians didn't suspect carbon monoxide poisoning and didn't request these levels to be included in the lab report. So the lab did these tests, but only levels requested by the ER physicians got generated into the records, which were provided under subpoena and presented at discovery in the trial. The judge decided that introducing this new evidence so late in the day would prejudice the defense.

    The judge did, however, allow the prosecution to recall Tobin as a rebuttal witness, and he could comment on environmental factors related to carbon monoxide poisoning. But, to quote the judge directly:

    "if he even hints that there are test results that the jury has not heard about, it's going to be a mistrial, pure and simple"

    So with all that being said, here's Tobin, back on stand a week after his initial testimony and cross-examination, to rebute the carbon monoxide theory (and one or two other matters), knowing that if he mentions lab tests about carboxyhemoglobin/carbon monoxide, it's game over for the prosecution.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l62gs5rKygQ
    While Tobin couldn't mention lab-measured levels of carboxyhemoglobin, he was free to mention oxygen saturation levels, which were included in the report to the ER physicians. These levels, 98%, meant that at most, carboxyhemoglobin could have been only 2%, within the normal range.

    tl:dr - If Chauvin goes down for the death of George Floyd, this man from Freshford, Co. Kilkenny will have been the star witness for the prosecution.


    I watched the defence's utterly feeble and fantastical gibberish. Talk about clutching at straws. Tobin is a star....


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    #5916
    Garda Kenny
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 108 ✭✭Garda Kenny


    Had the Astra two weeks ago. Luckily on Good Friday because I had fever all night Friday and woke up in bits on Easter Saturday morning. Word is you all will need a THIRD Pfizer jab within a year. So much for the Americans bailing us out. Personally I’m putting my money on Moderna now.


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    #5917
    vienne86
    Registered Users Posts: 17,075 ✭✭✭✭vienne86


    Garda Kenny wrote: »
    Had the Astra two weeks ago. Luckily on Good Friday because I had fever all night Friday and woke up in bits on Easter Saturday morning. Word is you all will need a THIRD Pfizer jab within a year. So much for the Americans bailing us out. Personally I’m putting my money on Moderna now.

    Getting mine on Tuesday....fingers crossed.


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    #5918
    Teferi
    Registered Users Posts: 6,320 ✭✭✭Teferi


    Garda Kenny wrote: »
    Had the Astra two weeks ago. Luckily on Good Friday because I had fever all night Friday and woke up in bits on Easter Saturday morning. Word is you all will need a THIRD Pfizer jab within a year. So much for the Americans bailing us out. Personally I’m putting my money on Moderna now.

    We will be getting a dose once a year for the rest of our lives regardless of which jab you take.


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    #5919
    vienne86
    Registered Users Posts: 17,075 ✭✭✭✭vienne86


    Teferi wrote: »
    We will be getting a dose once a year for the rest of our lives regardless of which jab you take.

    It's beginning look like it, and if that's what it takes, I'll be first in the queue.


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    #5920
    Zzippy
    Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 14,166 Mod ✭✭✭✭Zzippy


    vienne86 wrote: »
    It's beginning look like it, and if that's what it takes, I'll be first in the queue.

    Back in line!


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    #5921
    stephen_n
    Registered Users Posts: 12,920 ✭✭✭✭stephen_n


    Teferi wrote: »
    We will be getting a dose once a year for the rest of our lives regardless of which jab you take.

    It will probably end up being like the flu vaccine. With the most vulnerable getting a booster every year. Don’t think it will be everyone. Then again with all the new variants and how quickly they spread, who knows.


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    #5922
    hold my beer
    Registered Users Posts: 1,692 ✭✭✭hold my beer


    Football about to eat itself. Unbelievable stuff


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    #5923
    pickarooney
    Moderators, Arts Moderators Posts: 35,176 Mod ✭✭✭✭pickarooney


    hold my beer wrote: »
    Football about to eat itself. Unbelievable stuff

    What's happening there exactly?


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    #5924
    Podge_irl
    Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 25,547 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    pickarooney wrote: »
    What's happening there exactly?

    PRL/LNR Heineken Cup fiasco on steroids.


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    #5925
    mfceiling
    Registered Users Posts: 12,780 ✭✭✭✭mfceiling


    hold my beer wrote: »
    Football about to eat itself. Unbelievable stuff

    Fans hold the power surely?

    Open letter to the club's....no more season tickets bought, no more replica jerseys bought, no more games watched on TV/online.

    Must be a sobering thought for the clubs involved?

    FA need to come down hard here. Mind you they've showed their weakness before when MU decided not to take part in the FA cup years ago. Simple option was to tell them....no more FA cup for the next 20 years if you boycott the cup this year.


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    #5926
    Podge_irl
    Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 25,547 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    mfceiling wrote: »
    Fans hold the power surely?

    Open letter to the club's....no more season tickets bought, no more replica jerseys bought, no more games watched on TV/online.

    Must be a sobering thought for the clubs involved?

    FA need to come down hard here. Mind you they've showed their weakness before when MU decided not to take part in the FA cup years ago. Simple option was to tell them....no more FA cup for the next 20 years if you boycott the cup this year.

    Match tickets must be something of an irrelevance to them compared to the TV rights etc coming from this endeavour? And a lot of those TV rights won't even be from England/Italy/Spain.


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    #5927
    mfceiling
    Registered Users Posts: 12,780 ✭✭✭✭mfceiling


    Podge_irl wrote: »
    Match tickets must be something of an irrelevance to them compared to the TV rights etc coming from this endeavour? And a lot of those TV rights won't even be from England/Italy/Spain.

    That's true enough but a half empty stadium and a drop in replica kits etc must hurt? Maybe I'm naive and it's money at the end of the day and feck the fans.


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    #5928
    awec
    Administrators Posts: 53,438 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭awec


    pickarooney wrote: »
    What's happening there exactly?

    A bunch of clubs want to create a new competition to play in instead of the Champions League. The format is a league format, to be played alongside their domestic league.

    The new competition will have no promotion or relegation, the clubs involved will be guaranteed to be in it every year.

    The numbers involved are massive. 3.5 billion pot for the founding clubs to share as a welcome payment.

    It's a load of balls. FIFA and UEFA need to come down hard.


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    #5929
    sydthebeat
    Subscribers Posts: 41,076 ✭✭✭✭sydthebeat


    awec wrote: »
    A bunch of clubs want to create a new competition to play in instead of the Champions League. The format is a league format, to be played alongside their domestic league.

    The new competition will have no promotion or relegation, the clubs involved will be guaranteed to be in it every year.

    The numbers involved are massive. 3.5 billion pot for the founding clubs to share as a welcome payment.

    It's a load of balls. FIFA and UEFA need to come down hard.

    Fifa are backing it


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    #5930
    awec
    Administrators Posts: 53,438 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭awec


    sydthebeat wrote: »
    Fifa are backing it

    They aren't. I think FIFA had backed some previous chatter about it but I don't believe they are backing what was announced yesterday.


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    #5931
    The Inbetween is mine
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,705 ✭✭✭The Inbetween is mine


    It's replacing the European competitions...not the national leagues....there will be promotion & relegation... but not for the founding 12 clubs.
    Can see this new competition taking off regardless of what any football body thinks...the pandemic has shown the big boys that it's a fine line between financial success and disaster...Its going to happen I'm afraid


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    #5932
    OldRio
    Registered Users Posts: 5,934 ✭✭✭OldRio


    The money grab began when the F. L. was ditched and the Premiership began. Some type of European competition arranged by the big clubs was the next stage. The ditching of their domestic leagues for a worldwide super league is the end game. Full control by the 'chosen' with greed as the goal.


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    #5933
    hold my beer
    Registered Users Posts: 1,692 ✭✭✭hold my beer


    pickarooney wrote: »
    What's happening there exactly?


    6 clubs from England, 3 from Spain and 3 from Italy are breaking away from the Champions League and forming their own 'Super League'. They're saying there's another 3 teams to come on board and those 15 will then be the 'founder members', with 5 other teams to be in it each year based on who knows what (but it will be decided by the 15 instead of the proper governing authorities).

    These 15 teams will be in it every year no matter what, effectively getting rid of a proper merit system for qualifying, and ensuring they hold all the power and most of the money. There was a guy on Twitter posting back in January saying they'd seen the full plan, and there will be a situation where say Everton qualify (as part of the additional 5 teams) and go on to win it. They still won't earn as much as a 'founder member' team that was knocked out in the group stages.

    This is a money grab, pure and simple. And it follows on from the absolutely stupid 'Project Big Picture' where they tried to concentrate the money and power in the Premier League in the top 6 teams. That was defeated so now they've come back with this nonsense.

    Personally I think if they continue with it they should be fined, docked league points and their players should be banned from playing International football. The only thing that's going to give these greedy owners a kick up the ass is a massive hit in their pocket.


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    #5934
    hold my beer
    Registered Users Posts: 1,692 ✭✭✭hold my beer


    It's telling that the German clubs refused to join. They're the best run clubs in the World imo, with the fans owning most of them.


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    #5935
    The Inbetween is mine
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,705 ✭✭✭The Inbetween is mine


    Ed Woodward has resigned from his post in Uefa...and United have pulled out of uefa, ...it's on like donkey kong!


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    #5936
    hold my beer
    Registered Users Posts: 1,692 ✭✭✭hold my beer


    The Inbetween is mine wrote: »
    Ed Woodward has resigned from his post in Uefa...and United have pulled out of uefa, ...it's on like donkey kong!

    Apparently all 12 clubs have quit the European Club Association.

    It's infuriating listening to the the radio and reading comments on line saying "sure this is no different than the Premier League pulling away from the old league structures". Clearly they don't understand that it was never a closed shop, and all clubs could be promoted and relegated. An absolutely huge difference.


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    #5937
    errlloyd
    Registered Users Posts: 12,601 ✭✭✭✭errlloyd


    I am no lover of football, but it'd be a shame to see domestic leagues gutted.

    There is something very glamourous about Bournemouth, Eibar, Freiberg or Crotone playing at the top table.

    You'll be relegating the likes of all of those, and old marquee clubs like Aston Villa, Leeds, etc to minor league status.

    There is no real need to do this. It doesn't elevate the game at all. These are clubs worried that they're vulnerable in a financial fair play future.


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    #5938
    The Inbetween is mine
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,705 ✭✭✭The Inbetween is mine


    errlloyd wrote: »
    I am no lover of football, but it'd be a shame to see domestic leagues gutted.

    There is something very glamourous about Bournemouth, Eibar, Freiberg or Crotone playing at the top table.

    You'll be relegating the likes of all of those, and old marquee clubs like Aston Villa, Leeds, etc to minor league status.

    There is no real need to do this. It doesn't elevate the game at all. These are clubs worried that they're vulnerable in a financial fair play future.

    Nothing changes on thatt front. Home leagues stay the same
    It basically meant the Champions league is now dead and buried


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    #5939
    hold my beer
    Registered Users Posts: 1,692 ✭✭✭hold my beer


    The Inbetween is mine wrote: »
    Nothing changes on thatt front. Home leagues stay the same
    It basically meant the Champions league is now dead and buried

    There's absolutely no way the rest of the teams in the leagues and the Governing bodies are going to stand by and allow this happen as proposed.

    Edit: what's with Boards inserting blank lines all over the place.


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    #5940
    errlloyd
    Registered Users Posts: 12,601 ✭✭✭✭errlloyd


    The Inbetween is mine wrote: »
    Nothing changes on thatt front. Home leagues stay the same
    It basically meant the Champions league is now dead and buried

    Disagree for two reasons.

    1: They're replacing the CL (13 game season for the winners) with a 25 game format. So they're hoping to (in time) elevate their Super League to being the dominant game in town from a fan attention perspective.

    2: They're effectively not going to allow teams to play in it. I know they say 5 more teams can qualify... But that will realistically be unworkable.


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    #5941
    The Inbetween is mine
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,705 ✭✭✭The Inbetween is mine


    hold my beer wrote: »
    There's absolutely no way the rest of the teams in the leagues and the Governing bodies are going to stand by and allow this happen as proposed.

    Edit: what's with Boards inserting blank lines all over the place.

    They have no real power here...as long as they fulfill their commitment to the PL, there's nothing can be done.
    European competitions are no longer their concern....I cant see EUFA trying to go down the legal route here as it would get very messy imo


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