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    #5912
    vienne86
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,080 ✭✭✭✭vienne86


    Teferi wrote: »
    We will be getting a dose once a year for the rest of our lives regardless of which jab you take.

    It's beginning look like it, and if that's what it takes, I'll be first in the queue.


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    #5913
    Zzippy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,166 ✭✭✭✭Zzippy


    vienne86 wrote: »
    It's beginning look like it, and if that's what it takes, I'll be first in the queue.

    Back in line!


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    #5914
    stephen_n
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,920 ✭✭✭✭stephen_n


    Teferi wrote: »
    We will be getting a dose once a year for the rest of our lives regardless of which jab you take.

    It will probably end up being like the flu vaccine. With the most vulnerable getting a booster every year. Don’t think it will be everyone. Then again with all the new variants and how quickly they spread, who knows.


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    #5915
    hold my beer
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 3,365 ✭✭✭hold my beer


    Football about to eat itself. Unbelievable stuff


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    #5916
    pickarooney
    Moderators, Arts Moderators Posts: 36,507 Mod ✭✭✭✭pickarooney


    hold my beer wrote: »
    Football about to eat itself. Unbelievable stuff

    What's happening there exactly?


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    #5917
    Podge_irl
    Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 34,165 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    pickarooney wrote: »
    What's happening there exactly?

    PRL/LNR Heineken Cup fiasco on steroids.


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    #5918
    mfceiling
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,255 ✭✭✭✭mfceiling


    hold my beer wrote: »
    Football about to eat itself. Unbelievable stuff

    Fans hold the power surely?

    Open letter to the club's....no more season tickets bought, no more replica jerseys bought, no more games watched on TV/online.

    Must be a sobering thought for the clubs involved?

    FA need to come down hard here. Mind you they've showed their weakness before when MU decided not to take part in the FA cup years ago. Simple option was to tell them....no more FA cup for the next 20 years if you boycott the cup this year.


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    #5919
    Podge_irl
    Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 34,165 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    mfceiling wrote: »
    Fans hold the power surely?

    Open letter to the club's....no more season tickets bought, no more replica jerseys bought, no more games watched on TV/online.

    Must be a sobering thought for the clubs involved?

    FA need to come down hard here. Mind you they've showed their weakness before when MU decided not to take part in the FA cup years ago. Simple option was to tell them....no more FA cup for the next 20 years if you boycott the cup this year.

    Match tickets must be something of an irrelevance to them compared to the TV rights etc coming from this endeavour? And a lot of those TV rights won't even be from England/Italy/Spain.


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    #5920
    mfceiling
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,255 ✭✭✭✭mfceiling


    Podge_irl wrote: »
    Match tickets must be something of an irrelevance to them compared to the TV rights etc coming from this endeavour? And a lot of those TV rights won't even be from England/Italy/Spain.

    That's true enough but a half empty stadium and a drop in replica kits etc must hurt? Maybe I'm naive and it's money at the end of the day and feck the fans.


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    #5921
    awec
    Administrators Posts: 56,615 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭awec


    pickarooney wrote: »
    What's happening there exactly?

    A bunch of clubs want to create a new competition to play in instead of the Champions League. The format is a league format, to be played alongside their domestic league.

    The new competition will have no promotion or relegation, the clubs involved will be guaranteed to be in it every year.

    The numbers involved are massive. 3.5 billion pot for the founding clubs to share as a welcome payment.

    It's a load of balls. FIFA and UEFA need to come down hard.


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    #5922
    sydthebeat
    Subscribers, Paid Member Posts: 45,555 ✭✭✭✭sydthebeat


    awec wrote: »
    A bunch of clubs want to create a new competition to play in instead of the Champions League. The format is a league format, to be played alongside their domestic league.

    The new competition will have no promotion or relegation, the clubs involved will be guaranteed to be in it every year.

    The numbers involved are massive. 3.5 billion pot for the founding clubs to share as a welcome payment.

    It's a load of balls. FIFA and UEFA need to come down hard.

    Fifa are backing it


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    #5923
    awec
    Administrators Posts: 56,615 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭awec


    sydthebeat wrote: »
    Fifa are backing it

    They aren't. I think FIFA had backed some previous chatter about it but I don't believe they are backing what was announced yesterday.


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    #5924
    The Inbetween is mine
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,705 ✭✭✭The Inbetween is mine


    It's replacing the European competitions...not the national leagues....there will be promotion & relegation... but not for the founding 12 clubs.
    Can see this new competition taking off regardless of what any football body thinks...the pandemic has shown the big boys that it's a fine line between financial success and disaster...Its going to happen I'm afraid


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    #5925
    OldRio
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,670 ✭✭✭OldRio


    The money grab began when the F. L. was ditched and the Premiership began. Some type of European competition arranged by the big clubs was the next stage. The ditching of their domestic leagues for a worldwide super league is the end game. Full control by the 'chosen' with greed as the goal.


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    #5926
    hold my beer
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 3,365 ✭✭✭hold my beer


    pickarooney wrote: »
    What's happening there exactly?


    6 clubs from England, 3 from Spain and 3 from Italy are breaking away from the Champions League and forming their own 'Super League'. They're saying there's another 3 teams to come on board and those 15 will then be the 'founder members', with 5 other teams to be in it each year based on who knows what (but it will be decided by the 15 instead of the proper governing authorities).

    These 15 teams will be in it every year no matter what, effectively getting rid of a proper merit system for qualifying, and ensuring they hold all the power and most of the money. There was a guy on Twitter posting back in January saying they'd seen the full plan, and there will be a situation where say Everton qualify (as part of the additional 5 teams) and go on to win it. They still won't earn as much as a 'founder member' team that was knocked out in the group stages.

    This is a money grab, pure and simple. And it follows on from the absolutely stupid 'Project Big Picture' where they tried to concentrate the money and power in the Premier League in the top 6 teams. That was defeated so now they've come back with this nonsense.

    Personally I think if they continue with it they should be fined, docked league points and their players should be banned from playing International football. The only thing that's going to give these greedy owners a kick up the ass is a massive hit in their pocket.


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    #5927
    hold my beer
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 3,365 ✭✭✭hold my beer


    It's telling that the German clubs refused to join. They're the best run clubs in the World imo, with the fans owning most of them.


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    #5928
    The Inbetween is mine
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,705 ✭✭✭The Inbetween is mine


    Ed Woodward has resigned from his post in Uefa...and United have pulled out of uefa, ...it's on like donkey kong!


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    #5929
    hold my beer
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 3,365 ✭✭✭hold my beer


    The Inbetween is mine wrote: »
    Ed Woodward has resigned from his post in Uefa...and United have pulled out of uefa, ...it's on like donkey kong!

    Apparently all 12 clubs have quit the European Club Association.

    It's infuriating listening to the the radio and reading comments on line saying "sure this is no different than the Premier League pulling away from the old league structures". Clearly they don't understand that it was never a closed shop, and all clubs could be promoted and relegated. An absolutely huge difference.


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    #5930
    errlloyd
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,642 ✭✭✭✭errlloyd


    I am no lover of football, but it'd be a shame to see domestic leagues gutted.

    There is something very glamourous about Bournemouth, Eibar, Freiberg or Crotone playing at the top table.

    You'll be relegating the likes of all of those, and old marquee clubs like Aston Villa, Leeds, etc to minor league status.

    There is no real need to do this. It doesn't elevate the game at all. These are clubs worried that they're vulnerable in a financial fair play future.


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    #5931
    The Inbetween is mine
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,705 ✭✭✭The Inbetween is mine


    errlloyd wrote: »
    I am no lover of football, but it'd be a shame to see domestic leagues gutted.

    There is something very glamourous about Bournemouth, Eibar, Freiberg or Crotone playing at the top table.

    You'll be relegating the likes of all of those, and old marquee clubs like Aston Villa, Leeds, etc to minor league status.

    There is no real need to do this. It doesn't elevate the game at all. These are clubs worried that they're vulnerable in a financial fair play future.

    Nothing changes on thatt front. Home leagues stay the same
    It basically meant the Champions league is now dead and buried


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    #5932
    hold my beer
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 3,365 ✭✭✭hold my beer


    The Inbetween is mine wrote: »
    Nothing changes on thatt front. Home leagues stay the same
    It basically meant the Champions league is now dead and buried

    There's absolutely no way the rest of the teams in the leagues and the Governing bodies are going to stand by and allow this happen as proposed.

    Edit: what's with Boards inserting blank lines all over the place.


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    #5933
    errlloyd
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,642 ✭✭✭✭errlloyd


    The Inbetween is mine wrote: »
    Nothing changes on thatt front. Home leagues stay the same
    It basically meant the Champions league is now dead and buried

    Disagree for two reasons.

    1: They're replacing the CL (13 game season for the winners) with a 25 game format. So they're hoping to (in time) elevate their Super League to being the dominant game in town from a fan attention perspective.

    2: They're effectively not going to allow teams to play in it. I know they say 5 more teams can qualify... But that will realistically be unworkable.


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    #5934
    The Inbetween is mine
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,705 ✭✭✭The Inbetween is mine


    hold my beer wrote: »
    There's absolutely no way the rest of the teams in the leagues and the Governing bodies are going to stand by and allow this happen as proposed.

    Edit: what's with Boards inserting blank lines all over the place.

    They have no real power here...as long as they fulfill their commitment to the PL, there's nothing can be done.
    European competitions are no longer their concern....I cant see EUFA trying to go down the legal route here as it would get very messy imo


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    #5935
    errlloyd
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,642 ✭✭✭✭errlloyd


    The Inbetween is mine wrote: »
    They have no real power here...as long as they fulfill their commitment to the PL, there's nothing can be done.
    European competitions are no longer their concern....I cant see EUFA trying to go down the legal route here as it would get very messy imo

    I wonder.

    If the Premier League ejected the big 6 - would fans still watch it? Would current fans of the Big 6 adopt other teams to support in order to get their fix. Is the Premier League bigger than United? - It might be, it'd certainly be worth trying because maybe United is bigger now, maybe it isn't, but it is clear who's brand is growing faster.


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    #5936
    prawnsambo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,436 ✭✭✭✭prawnsambo


    errlloyd wrote: »
    I wonder.

    If the Premier League ejected the big 6 - would fans still watch it? Would current fans of the Big 6 adopt other teams to support in order to get their fix. Is the Premier League bigger than United? - It might be, it'd certainly be worth trying because maybe United is bigger now, maybe it isn't, but it is clear who's brand is growing faster.
    I can't see how this can succeed. FIFA owns football worldwide, it's clearly not in its interest for commercial operations to rob its clothes. And they'll win any court cases they take on that basis, thus impoverishing this entity before it gets started.


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    #5937
    Squidgy Black
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,828 ✭✭✭✭Squidgy Black


    errlloyd wrote: »
    I wonder.

    If the Premier League ejected the big 6 - would fans still watch it? Would current fans of the Big 6 adopt other teams to support in order to get their fix. Is the Premier League bigger than United? - It might be, it'd certainly be worth trying because maybe United is bigger now, maybe it isn't, but it is clear who's brand is growing faster.

    Premier League is bigger than United, but I don't think it's bigger than the big 6.

    When you take out Liverpool, City, Chelsea and (as disgusted as I am to say this) Arsenal, they're the main bandwagon clubs that have a massive international support and are widely known across the world.


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    #5938
    hold my beer
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 3,365 ✭✭✭hold my beer


    The Inbetween is mine wrote: »
    They have no real power here...as long as they fulfill their commitment to the PL, there's nothing can be done.
    European competitions are no longer their concern....I cant see EUFA trying to go down the legal route here as it would get very messy imo


    Of course they have power, it's just going to depend how far they use it. From Sky Sports here: -

    Under Premier League rule L.9, which all 20 clubs sign up to, clubs must obtain 'prior written approval of the Board' if they wish to enter to anything other than the Champions League, Europa League, FA Cup, FA Community Shield, Carabao Cup or any other competition sanctioned by the county association.


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    #5939
    Podge_irl
    Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 34,165 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    The Inbetween is mine wrote: »
    They have no real power here...as long as they fulfill their commitment to the PL, there's nothing can be done.
    European competitions are no longer their concern....I cant see EUFA trying to go down the legal route here as it would get very messy imo

    Why on Earth wouldn't UEFA go down the legal route? They are looking at their prime club level competition being eviscerated.


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    #5940
    The Inbetween is mine
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,705 ✭✭✭The Inbetween is mine


    Podge_irl wrote: »
    Why on Earth wouldn't UEFA go down the legal route? They are looking at their prime club level competition being eviscerated.

    If you apply for a UEFA license, you can play in European competition if you qualify.
    If you don't apply, or relinquish...that's where the argument lies...clubs can't be coerced into playing in a competition imo...


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    #5941
    The Inbetween is mine
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,705 ✭✭✭The Inbetween is mine


    There's 3 more founding clubs to join over the coming week.
    So... Bayern... PSG ....and possibly Dortmund are my guess.
    UEFA will look to try and punish individual players and not clubs


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