Covid19 Part XIX-25,802 in ROI (1,753 deaths) 5,859 in NI (556 deaths) (21/07)Read OP

BorneTobyWilde wrote: »

Thought he was recovering, WTF. I know he lost a leg, but I thought that was the sacrifice of living

Literally from the start it was shocking. Originally misdiagnosed with pneumonia his condition worsened. After the amputation he got septicaemia and lung failure. He needed a double lung transplant and medical induced coma was the last medical treatment. So sad. I'm shocked to hear.

caveat emptor wrote: »

A bit Lord Farquaad. Reopening is risky. Reopening while finding loopholes to get as many people ringing the tills while claiming "all necessary precautions are taken" is more risky.

If I were a nurse or doctor who went through hell treating patients I'd be extremely concerned now.

This . + 100

50 a day ..350 cases a week ,that is too much !
Quite quickly , that will start to put pressure on the health system ,which has just started opening up, trying to catch up on normal waiting lists and treatment .
Also transmission is low in this country, but not non existent , and not because we don't have the virus , but because we have simply reduced the spread.
Where it is given an opportunity, it will spread as rapidly as before , unless it is stopped with restrictions.

No , let's keep cases down low please . Under 30 , and if more and rising , local restrictions reintroduced .

Problem with isolating Dublin is , with the amount of people living and working there , shutting down the city will not just curtail this group who are congregating at the city pubs , and at house parties , but the many more thousands of responsible people who have been sticking to the rules, workers and businesses that are all necessary to get the country going again .
Not saying it shouldn't happen if needs be .
But realistically, this activity with the pubs may result in clusters all over the place because of the group mix involved .

Pubs should stop serving takeaway as they have got their wish to open earlier , if they want to open on July 20 th . and show they can stick to the rules .
Also the Vintners Ass. should be told that by government , they are risking their own livelihoods at this stage .
Maybe 3 strikes and you're out for individual pubs , with no PUP or Covid bailout loans for offenders .

No crowds allowed congregate outside . Queues for pub/ restaurants outside at regular 2m distance as per everywhere else .

New emergency legislation allowing guards to police this better. No drinking in public while there is a public health risk . People need to be told that they need to keep their wits about them , to distance and stay safe , as that message has obviously not gotten through to certain people . And to enforce pub closures etc .
Need a stronger police service to deal with axxxxxxs putting everyone else at risk .

And nobody allowed to skip quarantine , llcation app as in South Korea down loaded on phone and checked daily, at least , unless they are from a green list country .
And no tourists allowed fullstop from US , England , Brazil ..until their numbers are under control .

And last but not least , our new Taoiseach needs to get off his butt and face the issues head on and show a bit of leadership .
Where has he been for the last week?
Sure he can't even make a decision about his bloody ministers !
How can we expect any control in this pandemic with a leader who can't deal with sacking a prevaricating, drink-driving new minister .
And tackling that other guy that skipped quarantine ? But it was to vote for himself as Taoiseach , so that's ok ?

We will be in for a rough time if he doesn't get a grip on things fairly fast , and after all the sacrifices every man, women and child have made here in the last few months , it is a shame to let it be pissed away by a selfish entitled minority .
I am normally not that bothered about what other people get up to , and have been there myself , but not when there is a risk to health and life of so many people .

Eod100 wrote: »

It's strange. Heard him being asked about measures being eased a few weeks back on radio and was very confident it was right idea. Then few days later signed a letter saying it was too fast. Seems to veer from optimistic to cautious very frequently. I can't see it happening either tbh

There is a whole cabal of them, utterly unused to media attention and full of opinions to share. Heard of two others, previously unknown to me, since the drama in Dublin, who've been elevated to expert. I don't entirely blame them but they are getting caught in the media's need to find yet another angle to the COVID story. They should been paying more attention to the media performance of the main NPHET spokespeople in how to formulate messages.

They are not messing about in Australia -

A hard border closure between Victoria and New South Wales from tomorrow night for probably a month. They are extremely worried about the trajectory of a surge in community spread cases in Melbourne.

This follows the strict lockdown of 9 Ballymun style public housing tower blocks, where people are not allowed to leave their flats. It impacts 3,000 residents and is being enforced by 500 police officers each shift — roughly one officer for every six residents. Over 50 cases of Covid have been detected in the tower blocks so far.

The worry is that high-density towers can be like 'vertical cruise ships'.

Officials will now strictly monitor 55 ground crossings between the two states — including four major highways, 33 bridges, two waterways with police and health officials on standby to question travellers returning via air or rail.

Only permit holders, emergency services workers, freight drivers and returning travellers will be able to cross into New South Wales from Victoria.

NSW Police Commissioner Mick Fuller said people caught lying on a permit application would be fined.

The penalties for COVID-19 infringements are a $11,000 fine and six months in jail.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/weve-lost-control-of-pandemic-top-adviser-says-as-active-cases-spike/

Israel may be the first country in the world to impose a second national lockdown , seems insane I can't believe any country would willingly destroy its economy with a second lockdown

bb1234567 wrote: »

https://www.timesofisrael.com/weve-lost-control-of-pandemic-top-adviser-says-as-active-cases-spike/

Israel may be the first country in the world to impose a second national lockdown , seems insane I can't believe any country would willingly destroy its economy with a second lockdown

Looking at the charts I can't see any alternative: https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/israel/

Note: Without lockdown their economy gets destroyed anyway...

caveat emptor wrote: »

Very interesting article. That's mad that cases jumped from 180 to 780 on Saturday. They can't contain locally either. Great the way they balance activities with low economic cost vs public health. Not saying things in black and white terms but grey. A balance has to be found.

Professor Devi Sridhar in Scotland is strongly against the idea of governments switching on and off lockdowns. She thinks it's like a fire brigade chasing around the place desperately trying to put out new outbreaks.

She reckons mass testing and contact tracing, coupled with social distancing and face masks is the way to go.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/jun/22/pandemic-zero-coronavirus-britain

dublinman1990 wrote: »

Hundreds of scientists have now submitted new evidence to the WHO, via an open letter to the UN Agency, which states that Covid-19 is airborne from people when they release small or large droplets by sneezing, coughing or speaking to other people who currently don't have any symptoms.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/health/scientists-who-coronavirus-airborne-1.5638444



The scientists, in this case, have now asked the WHO to revise it's official public health advice to say that, from their newly supplied evidence, Coronavirus is airborne from people who have the virus & spread it to other people who are known as healthy individuals.

For balance - in relation to their claim, and I do not know who is right (and neither do they probably ), "Paul Hunter, a professor in medicine at the University of East Anglia and a member of the WHO’s infection prevention committee, said the WHO had struck the right balance in its advice.

“Aerosol transmission can occur but it probably isn’t that important in the grand scheme of things. It’s all about droplets,” he said. “Controlling airborne transmission isn’t going to do that much to control the spread of Covid-19."

celt262 wrote: »

There will be plenty more lockdowns before this is over including here. It will be a long winter sitting at home for a lot of us.

At least we have the summer...,

ShineOn7 wrote: »

Name the bar. I'll get on it with the Guards tomorrow and I'll be persistent with it

Just like the airport thread, too many are complaining about the situation and not enough are actually doing anything

I'm sure the guards will take it very seriously. "Friends of an anonymous user on a forum were in a bar .......".

Away With The Fairies wrote: »

Droplets are from coughs and sneezes, they are bigger and heavier than aerosols. I think these droplets fall to the ground quite quickly unless you cough into someone's face.

Aerosols are from breathing and talking and can linger in the air and can infect others long after you're gone.

So when they were lingering in the supermarkets how come so few got infected would be my question? Seems like even if they are lingering there, they aren't in sufficient quantities to infect most people.

1800_Ladladlad wrote: »

I hope this doesnt turn out to be


https://twitter.com/globaltimesnews/status/1279758401552056320

About 300 cases a year and antibiotics take care of it. Complete non-story but good to terrify people just a bit more.