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Covid19 Part XIX-25,802 in ROI (1,753 deaths) 5,859 in NI (556 deaths) (21/07)Read OP

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    #2072
    Martina1991
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    Eod100 wrote:
    Ah thought it was routine to have it on file in case patient needed transfusion or operation urgenently but stand corrected then!
    O neg would always be given in a dire emergency but a blood group and units can be issued within an hour if necessary.


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    #2073
    shinzon
    Registered Users Posts: 5,458 ✭✭✭shinzon


    https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/04/health/239-experts-with-1-big-claim-the-coronavirus-is-airborne.html
    The coronavirus is finding new victims worldwide, in bars and restaurants, offices, markets and casinos, giving rise to frightening clusters of infection that increasingly confirm what many scientists have been saying for months: The virus lingers in the air indoors, infecting those nearby.

    If airborne transmission is a significant factor in the pandemic, especially in crowded spaces with poor ventilation, the consequences for containment will be significant. Masks may be needed indoors, even in socially-distant settings. Health care workers may need N95 masks that filter out even the smallest respiratory droplets as they care for coronavirus patients.

    Ventilation systems in schools, nursing homes, residences and businesses may need to minimize recirculating air and add powerful new filters. Ultraviolet lights may be needed to kill viral particles floating in tiny droplets indoors.

    Shin


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    #2074
    Jim_Hodge
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    ceadaoin. wrote: »
    It already has been 3 or 4 weeks since the most recent spike started in some places and deaths are still nowhere near new york levels. For example, when new york was seeing 10,000 cases a day, their deaths per day at the same time were already in the high hundreds or over 1000. Florida is up there is daily cases at this stage but is yet to see 100 deaths in a day.

    I dont doubt deaths are going to rise but hopefully not to the level we saw in new york. There is something else going on IMO, whether its a better treatments or a younger demographic or maybe even a less virulent but more contagious strain.

    Does you have a link to the actual data about pneumonia deaths?

    The surge from the plateaued level started three weeks tomorrow. Have you seen the ICU figures from many states , eg Texas, this week. "The road to hell" was how one medical chief referred to it this week. Even putting deaths aside, serious illness amount younger people is rampant. The attitude that it causes little harm amount the younger population is dangerous.


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    #2075
    podgeandrodge
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    NasserShammaz wrote: »
    Just had a walk on Henry street and a charming local skankette hilariously coughed at me when passing...is this a thing again has the last 3 months happened ..... streets packed with people drinking did I ****in dream lockdown...

    This brood mare skank is too stupid to realise that its probably gonna be her who'll infect her gran etc ...but FFS what kind of sh@t are these people breedin

    I'm not advocating masks in pubs whatsoever (they are impractical to say the least), but in the pub the other night someone at another table near me regularly coughed without even making an effort to cover their face with their elbow or even their hand. I can't figure people doing this after 3 months of being told religiously every day about how to be careful. And if they have a cough that they can't suppress, they really shouldn't be in the pub imo.

    I know that's entirely different than the skank carry on you mention above.


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    #2076
    BorneTobyWilde
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    SeaBreezes wrote: »
    I thought they still werent sure if herd immunity is possible r if we can constantly pass it back and forth like we do with the common cold?


    Study in South Korea shows antibodies are produced in all who had covid, and it showed that those who had covid, recovered, but tested positive again were not reinfected. It was traces of virus, and it shows they could not infect people with these traces in system.
    How long immunity lasts is the thing.


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    #2077
    iamwhoiam
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    Away With The Fairies wrote: »
    I think blood group A gets it severe and blood group O doesn't get it as bad.

    As far as I know from reading someone else said it was to do with Rh + and Rh-
    I would take that with a grain of salt if I am honest


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    #2078
    Renjit
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    podgeandrodge wrote: »
    And if they have a cough that they can't suppress, they really shouldn't be in the pub imo.

    I know that's entirely different than the skank carry on you mention above.

    What if someone has cough since January?


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    #2079
    NasserShammaz
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    podgeandrodge wrote: »
    I'm not advocating masks in pubs whatsoever (they are impractical to say the least), but in the pub the other night someone at another table near me regularly coughed without even making an effort to cover their face with their elbow or even their hand. I can't figure people doing this after 3 months of being told religiously every day about how to be careful. And if they have a cough that they can't suppress, they really shouldn't be in the pub imo.

    I know that's entirely different than the skank carry on you mention above.

    Not really same thing one deliberate one unconscious but both equally ignorant of other people and showing a complete lack of consideration of others and an awareness of consequences that could equally affect them if we all behave as they do


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    #2080
    is_that_so
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    BorneTobyWilde wrote: »
    50,000 new cases a day there, that they find... but its closer to 500,00 a day getting it daily, and only 320m in USA.

    But even at 50,000 cases a day, even for last 6 days equals 300,000 , and they say 1 can infect 20,so that could be 6m every 6 days

    its going on so long now, running out of people to infect, only 320m in USA.
    The herd is well and truly infected, and in two weeks they'll recover and they'll be immune.
    1 can infect 1 or one can infect 100. It's not known for certain especially with national R0 rates. The US experience hasn't been like Europe. It was largely limited to the coasts for a long while, now it's going to lots of other places. Apart from that states like Texas are already close to 100% ICU occupancy in some places, one of the main reasons why we went through all of this. The herd immunity claim really doesn't fly either as the range from serological tests is about 5%-12% worldwide, with a few locations higher.


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    #2081
    is_that_so
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    Renjit wrote: »
    What if someone has cough since January?
    I know someone who has had a persistent cough for about 20 years. It may be allergies but he makes people nervous!


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    #2082
    SeaBreezes
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    BorneTobyWilde wrote: »
    Study in South Korea shows antibodies are produced in all who had covid, and it showed that those who had covid, recovered, but tested positive again were not reinfected. It was traces of virus, and it shows they could not infect people with these traces in system.
    How long immunity lasts is the thing.

    Yea, i thought it was 4 months? There was some speculation about T cell immunity as well.
    But far far too little known to be banking on herd immumity...


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    #2083
    ShineOn7
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    threeball wrote: »
    The VFI have blatantly lied about the measures their members would uphold in order to reopen early. Most pubs this week weren't serving food in order to get served. Know of a few lads who spent 6hrs in one pub in Dublin and didn't buy as much as a bag of crisps.


    Name the bar. I'll get on it with the Guards tomorrow and I'll be persistent with it

    Just like the airport thread, too many are complaining about the situation and not enough are actually doing anything


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    #2084
    podgeandrodge
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    Renjit wrote: »
    What if someone has cough since January?


    Well I wouldn't go into a pub if I had a cough regardless of how long I've had it for, unless I could take measures to at least be considerate of other patrons at this time. I presume you would agree, no?


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    #2085
    Strazdas
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    BorneTobyWilde wrote: »
    Study in South Korea shows antibodies are produced in all who had covid, and it showed that those who had covid, recovered, but tested positive again were not reinfected. It was traces of virus, and it shows they could not infect people with these traces in system.
    How long immunity lasts is the thing.

    I've seen many reports that dispute this one : people who had Covid having antibody tests and coming back negative.


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    #2086
    What Username Guidelines
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    Jim_Hodge wrote: »
    The surge from the plateaued level started three weeks tomorrow. Have you seen the ICU figures from many states , eg Texas, this week. "The road to hell" was how one medical chief referred to it this week. Even putting deaths aside, serious illness amount younger people is rampant. The attitude that it causes little harm amount the younger population is dangerous.

    The US is also a massive country, the initial surge was in the north and north east, we’re now seeing a different area surging with states along the same latitude in the south. This gives the entire country what appears to be a second wave when in reality it’s all just one big wave. Not saying this is good or anything, obviously some areas are close to breaking point in terms of healthcare, but when you compare north to south as two different areas, the deaths are a good bit lower. You do have to factor in a massive rise in pneumonia mid summer which is obviously suspect however.

    This is a good comparison to give context to the numbers we’re seeing.

    https://twitter.com/gummibear737/status/1278329451793846273?s=21


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    podgeandrodge
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    threeball wrote: »
    The VFI have blatantly lied about the measures their members would uphold in order to reopen early. Most pubs this week weren't serving food in order to get served. Know of a few lads who spent 6hrs in one pub in Dublin and didn't buy as much as a bag of crisps. Every single one of these pubs should have their details taken, warning given and objections raised when they renew their licence.
    ShineOn7 wrote: »
    Name the bar. I'll get on it with the Guards tomorrow and I'll be persistent with it

    Just like the airport thread, too many are complaining about the situation and not enough are actually doing anything

    In a couple of weeks though they'll be able to do that drinking anyway? I think that the food/restaurant serve food thing is just politics and a couple of weeks of it is not going to have much measurable effect. Covid didn't spot them not eating. Not saying they are ok to be breaking the rules, but there are bigger risks out there than people not eating.


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    #2088
    ShineOn7
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    theballz wrote: »
    I specifically remember around the spiking of covid that a member of this forum called out that majority of ICU patients in the mater were Roma/Brazilian.


    Can you remember who said that? That's a curious stat


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    #2089
    iamwhoiam
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    ShineOn7 wrote: »
    Can you remember who said that? That's a curious stat

    It was a consultant from The Mater who said on the TV that many of the Covid positive patients in the Mater were Brazilian and Roma . He put it down to shared crowded accommodation with poor facilities in the north inner city .


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    #2090
    SeaBreezes
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    Interesting article , saying origin was the lab in wuhan.

    But was funded by US for gain-of-function testing, (how to make it a superspreader) which obama outlawed, so research went offshore.

    https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/world/us/top-us-health-advisor-dr-fauci-backed-controversial-wuhan-lab-for-risky-coronavirus-research-report/articleshow/75449844.cms


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    #2091
    ShineOn7
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    NasserShammaz wrote: »
    Just had a walk on Henry street and a charming local skankette hilariously coughed at me when passing


    Not sure I'd have refrained myself tbh

    Coughing at people must be the new "thing" for skanks who roam Dublin city centre


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    #2092
    Stheno
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    iamwhoiam wrote: »
    It was a consultant from The Mater who said on the TV that many of the Covid positive patients in the Mater were Brazilian and Roma . He put it down to shared crowded accommodation with poor facilities in the north inner city .

    He never said they made up a majority of ICU cases though iirc?


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    #2093
    iamwhoiam
    Registered Users Posts: 16,113 ✭✭✭✭iamwhoiam


    Stheno wrote: »
    He never said they made up a majority of ICU cases though iirc?

    No , it wasn’t me who mentioned ICu . No he didn’t say they were in ICU he said admitted to the Mater


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    #2094
    Stheno
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    iamwhoiam wrote: »
    No , it wasn’t me who mentioned ICu . No he didn’t say they were in ICU he said admitted to the Mater

    Yeah we are on the same page. I think the other poster who mentioned ICU may just have misinterpreted


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    #2095
    DebDynamite
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    Stheno wrote: »
    He never said they made up a majority of ICU cases though iirc?

    I heard it myself from a doctor in the Mater re ICU, that they were over represented. It was just only Roma that was mentioned though not Brazilian.


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    #2096
    martingriff
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    podgeandrodge wrote: »
    In a couple of weeks though they'll be able to do that drinking anyway? I think that the food/restaurant serve food thing is just politics and a couple of weeks of it is not going to have much measurable effect. Covid didn't spot them not eating. Not saying they are ok to be breaking the rules, but there are bigger risks out there than people not eating.

    I agree with what your saying but I be more peeved off with them due to places that are following the rules that either did not open as they can not serve food or those who are following the rules including the times they are staying. I say this in hope (because I know we will see it) rather then expectations but lets hope we do not see the same that happened in many places in the UK when the pubs opened. As some said people with a measure of drink in then can not social distance and we saw that last night in Dublin


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    #2097
    Stheno
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    Are open pubs allowed have live music?


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    #2098
    NasserShammaz
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    ShineOn7 wrote: »
    Not sure I'd have refrained myself tbh

    Coughing at people must be the new "thing" for skanks who roam Dublin city centre

    It was right at the beginning not widespread but a few incidents on Talbot st / boardwalk but died down quickly thank ****... maybe the older residents around put them wide. As for engaging with them I used a 1 word term to describe her as I passed after the cough but anything else is futile I've lived here long enough to see the eyes roll back in the head and the" ohh no you did ent " pose" thick as **** ..


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    #2099
    NasserShammaz
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 886 ✭✭✭NasserShammaz


    ShineOn7 wrote: »
    Not sure I'd have refrained myself tbh

    Coughing at people must be the new "thing" for skanks who roam Dublin city centre

    It was right at the beginning not widespread but a few incidents on Talbot st / boardwalk but died down quickly thank ****... maybe the older residents around put them wide. As for engaging with them I used a 1 word term to describe her as I passed after the cough but anything else is futile I've lived here long enough to see the eyes roll back in the head and the" ohh no you did ent " pose" thick as **** ..


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    #2100
    martingriff
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    Stheno wrote: »
    Are open pubs allowed have live music?

    With the time limit (which I say well be the same for pubs) is there a point it is normally why would they bother. I go to pubs is to see music so would like it to happen though


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    #2101
    Eod100
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    This would seem to rule out travel to most places for a long time if it was followed. I guess maybe he's saying the ideal thing for public health, government likely will have to balance it. https://twitter.com/SaturdayRTE/status/1279850604400164864?s=19


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