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Squatman · 02-11-2019 9:33pm

Are fire doors in any ways worth while? I know that they will keep the draft out, but will it do anything to retain the heat, or make lighting the fire easier. Something like this de vielle door

http://www.frcathcartltd.com/home-essentials-c4/fireside-accessories-c68/de-vielle-eco-firefront-door-p2910

guest2018 · 05-11-2019 5:09pm

Hi,
What is the best/preferred method for installing multi-fuel 10 kW stove:
Lay the laminate floor then place Hearth on top?
or put Hearth down and floor round it?

Laminate is going on top of 3mm underlay on top of concrete floor.

OwenM · 08-11-2019 12:23pm

I put the hearth on top of the laminate, much better finish. Only needs a small bit of construction adhesive to secure it

blackbox · 08-11-2019 12:23pm

Squatman wrote: »

Are fire doors in any ways worth while? I know that they will keep the draft out, but will it do anything to retain the heat, or make lighting the fire easier. Something like this de vielle door

http://www.frcathcartltd.com/home-essentials-c4/fireside-accessories-c68/de-vielle-eco-firefront-door-p2910

It won't make the fire easier to light, but it will reduce fuel consumption and draughts.

guest2018 · 08-11-2019 12:26pm

OwenM wrote: »

I put the hearth on top of the laminate, much better finish. Only needs a small bit of construction adhesive to secure it

Thank you

SeaFields · 10-11-2019 9:48am

The latch that closes the main door of our stove has, over years of use, worn away the front of the stove. That being, the door doesn't close as tight anymore meaning a constant draft on the fuel. It's eating fuel as a result.

Anyone experienced this and have a solution? It's a Stanley boiler stove but cannot remember the model for the life of me.

angeldaisy · 16-11-2019 3:10pm

I was looking at purchasing a stove. I've been advised to get a Henley, so priced up the Thames 8kw model.

Is this the best option? I'm not looking for anything fancy, I liked the cleaner lines of the Thames, but if there is a cheaper option I'd be interested. It needs to be a freestanding multifuel stove.
I would prefer to buy quality, but not pay extra for the name if that makes sense.

Thanks

OwenM · 18-11-2019 10:39am

What would you save with a cheaper brand, €100 - 150? Is this worth the hassle if something is wrong, of getting tradesmen out, the mess it creates, taking time off work to let them in. Not advocating Henley per se (even though I do have one) but remember 'buy cheap, buy twice'

Also, for a dry stove a wood burner should be fine, no need for multifuel. I only burn coal (sometimes) because it's a big boiler stove and a lot of heat is required. If you fill a dry stove with coal your going to melt

chuck eastwood · 18-11-2019 10:49am

angeldaisy wrote: »

I was looking at purchasing a stove. I've been advised to get a Henley, so priced up the Thames 8kw model.

Is this the best option? I'm not looking for anything fancy, I liked the cleaner lines of the Thames, but if there is a cheaper option I'd be interested. It needs to be a freestanding multifuel stove.
I would prefer to buy quality, but not pay extra for the name if that makes sense.

Thanks

If it's a non boiler version it doesn't really matter what you buy as long as it's not a €400 lump with a door. It does however make a difference for boiler versions because of the internal baffles for heat capture and water flow/return mixing. I know it's a bit of work but if you are getting a boiler version it's worth asking the sales guy or installer about the internal workings because cosmetics mean very little when the stove doesn't perform

vicwatson · 20-11-2019 3:31pm

Insert stove multi fuel non boiler, 2 storey house, does this have to have a flexi flue inserted on installation or can it be fitted directly into the chimney pipe itself? TIA

harvester of sorrow · 20-11-2019 9:47pm

Hi all,badly need some advice
Just got my stove fitted last week, and while we initially where going to clad the chimney breast in natural stone, we decided to have the stove fitted flush to chimney breast for a more "sleek" look.(like a flat screen tv on a wall)

We go the chimney breast skimmed to cover any holes or crevices from the fire surround but the problem is that the chimney breast over the stove gets quite hot and is causing the skim coat to crack. The plasterer has said that he will have to go back to the block work about 6-8 inches above the stove and build it back out again but im convinced that it will keep cracking although he is confident it wont .

Anyone got any experience or faced a similar issue?
How did ye resolve it?

TIA

OwenM · 21-11-2019 10:29am

There is a 'gypsum free' plaster designed for just this, haven't used it myself but intend trying it when I install a new boiler stove, am moving house soon. Two builders I spoke to said it will still crack....

If you do try it then please please let it dry fully before lighting the stove again - I'm talking about 8-10 days drying time, then light a small fire, wood only, the moisture will cause most of the expansion and hence cracking.

If you have a dry stove, forget it - I really don't think any plaster work is going to stand up to those temperatures.

Mickiemcfist · 21-11-2019 11:24am

sorry, just jumping in here, what's a dry stove?

Mickeroo · 21-11-2019 11:36am

Mickiemcfist wrote: »

sorry, just jumping in here, what's a dry stove?

A non-boiler stove I assume.

Shefwedfan · 22-11-2019 9:33pm

Mickiemcfist wrote: »

sorry, just jumping in here, what's a dry stove?

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vicwatson · 23-11-2019 11:04am

vicwatson wrote: »

Insert stove multi fuel non boiler, 2 storey house, does this have to have a flexi flue inserted on installation or can it be fitted directly into the chimney pipe itself? TIA

Bump, anyone?

upupup · 23-11-2019 12:39pm

vicwatson wrote: »

Bump, anyone?

A flexi flue will stop the buildup of creosote in your flue.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N1Q6Mu8KeMg

easypazz · 23-11-2019 1:34pm

angeldaisy wrote: »

I was looking at purchasing a stove. I've been advised to get a Henley, so priced up the Thames 8kw model.

Is this the best option? I'm not looking for anything fancy, I liked the cleaner lines of the Thames, but if there is a cheaper option I'd be interested. It needs to be a freestanding multifuel stove.
I would prefer to buy quality, but not pay extra for the name if that makes sense.

Thanks

Henley are standard Chinese stoves, dressed up with nice branding and brochures, and a shop taking a nice cut.

You are paying for all the branding, the salesmans cut, the shops overheads and the VAT, so if you take say €300 - €400 off the price you will get much the same Chinese product for a lot less.

Forge83 · 23-11-2019 10:04pm

easypazz wrote: »

Henley are standard Chinese stoves, dressed up with nice branding and brochures, and a shop taking a nice cut.

You are paying for all the branding, the salesmans cut, the shops overheads and the VAT, so if you take say €300 - €400 off the price you will get much the same Chinese product for a lot less.

You are talking out your arse.
A standard Chinese stove and product has limited quality control.
Brands with stoves made in China like Henley, Heat Design and now Stanley put huge work into ensuring the quality of the product is of a very high standard.
Also, a large part of these brands range are now manufactured in Europe,not China.
You also get extended warranty’s of up to 5 years.
By the way, Vat is payable regardless so not a saving.

Forge83 · 23-11-2019 10:05pm

vicwatson wrote: »

Bump, anyone?

If the condition of your chimney isn’t good, a Flexi flue is advisable.
I would 100% recommend if the chimney has been in use for over 10 years already.
If not, a clay pot adapter should be fine.

easypazz · 24-11-2019 2:01pm

Forge83 wrote: »

You are talking out your arse.
A standard Chinese stove and product has limited quality control.
Brands with stoves made in China like Henley, Heat Design and now Stanley put huge work into ensuring the quality of the product is of a very high standard.
Also, a large part of these brands range are now manufactured in Europe,not China.
You also get extended warranty’s of up to 5 years.
By the way, Vat is payable regardless so not a saving.

Vat on a 600€ stove 112€, vat on a €300 stove €56.

Shops markup say €200, so of the extra €300 thats €256 straight away.

Henley only give a 3 year warranty on boilers and 1 year on the internal parts, these being the only things that need replacing anyway.

A pub near me has 2 unbranded stoves the last 10 years and they are still perfect, just replace a few parts now and again.

How do you know a Henley stove from China has better quality control than a similar stove with no badge? You dont.

Any what difference does it make where a stove is made? What does a european foundry do that a chinese foundry cant do?

OwenM · 25-11-2019 11:53am

easypazz wrote: »

Vat on a 600€ stove 112€, vat on a €300 stove €56.

Shops markup say €200, so of the extra €300 thats €256 straight away.

Henley only give a 3 year warranty on boilers and 1 year on the internal parts, these being the only things that need replacing anyway.

A pub near me has 2 unbranded stoves the last 10 years and they are still perfect, just replace a few parts now and again.

How do you know a Henley stove from China has better quality control than a similar stove with no badge? You dont.

Any what difference does it make where a stove is made? What does a european foundry do that a chinese foundry cant do?

If you want to save €300 on a device that could kill you or destroy your house if it's faulty go ahead. Have a look on youtube for footage of exploding boilers. I think we're all aware of carbon monoxide.

The foundry may or may not use the correct or faulty materials in the EU or China but an indigenous company that invests in a brand will have some oversight on the quality of the goods they sell, that's what you are paying for.

If we were talking about €300 per month I'd be on your side - this is a one off purchase that should last twenty years.

easypazz · 25-11-2019 2:10pm

OwenM wrote: »

If you want to save €300 on a device that could kill you or destroy your house if it's faulty go ahead. Have a look on youtube for footage of exploding boilers. I think we're all aware of carbon monoxide.

The foundry may or may not use the correct or faulty materials in the EU or China but an indigenous company that invests in a brand will have some oversight on the quality of the goods they sell, that's what you are paying for.

If we were talking about €300 per month I'd be on your side - this is a one off purchase that should last twenty years.

Why are you going on about exploding boilers, a boiler was never mentioned in the query I was responding to.

Why are you saying a stove without a badge could kill you or destroy your house.

There is a plane with a boeing badge on it, the plane keeps crashing.

Stoves are low tech, they all do much the same thing and mainly come from China. They can be bought direct or can be bought via middlemen in shops with various jargon to make them sound better.

In my experience I've seen plenty of unbranded stoves working just fine.

vicwatson · 25-11-2019 3:19pm

Forge83 wrote: »

If the condition of your chimney isn’t good, a Flexi flue is advisable.
I would 100% recommend if the chimney has been in use for over 10 years already.
If not, a clay pot adapter should be fine.

Anyone got a ballpark figure to have insert stove fitted with flexi liner, two storey house with cowling, etc etc?

OwenM · 26-11-2019 10:33am

vicwatson wrote: »

Anyone got a ballpark figure to have insert stove fitted with flexi liner, two storey house with cowling, etc etc?

I was quoted €800 last week, supply and fit flexi liner and install stove, two story house, Limerick area.

Forge83 · 26-11-2019 11:05am

OwenM wrote: »

I was quoted €800 last week, supply and fit flexi liner and install stove, two story house, Limerick area.

Not including the stove I assume?

vicwatson · 28-11-2019 1:42pm

Forge83 wrote: »

Not including the stove I assume?

That would be fitting only

Forge83 · 28-11-2019 7:17pm

vicwatson wrote: »

That would be fitting only

Well they say supply and fit of liner....

vicwatson · 29-11-2019 9:44pm

Forge83 wrote: »

Well they say supply and fit of liner....

Exactly, supply of the liner, fit of the liner and fit of the stove, not supply the stove

GY A1 · 02-12-2019 1:42am

vicwatson wrote: »

Anyone got a ballpark figure to have insert stove fitted with flexi liner, two storey house with cowling, etc etc?

You buy the stove €
Flexi flue and fittings €350
A half day - full day work for an installer
Max = €300
That’s provided fits in existing fireplace and no major alterations required.

I put boiler stove in recently
Insert boiler stove €850
Flexi flue kit € fittings €350
New dual cylinder €250
Plumbing parts & pipe €400
Plumber 3 days € tbc
But prob 450
Also required some tidy up and plasterboard
And plasterer also €200

Forge83 · 02-12-2019 6:49pm

GY A1 wrote: »

You buy the stove €
Flexi flue and fittings €350
A half day - full day work for an installer
Max = €300
That’s provided fits in existing fireplace and no major alterations required.

I put boiler stove in recently
Insert boiler stove €850
Flexi flue kit € fittings €350
New dual cylinder €250
Plumbing parts & pipe €400
Plumber 3 days € tbc
But prob 450
Also required some tidy up and plasterboard
And plasterer also €200

I think you are in for a surprise with your labour costs.
Stove and liner Install from a qualified installer will cost somewhere between €450-€650. Maybe even more depending on where you are located.

3 days plumbing labour for €450.... must be the cheapest plumber in the country! PM me his number, I will use him every week at those rates.
Would be expecting to pay a qualified plumber a minimum of €30 per hour. More if he has a labourer with him.

vicwatson · 02-12-2019 11:42pm

GY A1 wrote: »

You buy the stove €
Flexi flue and fittings €350
A half day - full day work for an installer
Max = €300
That’s provided fits in existing fireplace and no major alterations required.

I put boiler stove in recently
Insert boiler stove €850
Flexi flue kit € fittings €350
New dual cylinder €250
Plumbing parts & pipe €400
Plumber 3 days € tbc
But prob 450
Also required some tidy up and plasterboard
And plasterer also €200

The one I was talking about is not a back boiler stove, but a multi fuel insert stove

harvester of sorrow · 09-12-2019 8:58pm

Will house insurance cover you if your stove has been fitted without a flexi Liner?
I'm hearing alot of conflicting arguments....

PaddyCar · 09-12-2019 9:06pm

Anyone happen to know the make/model of the stove in attached pic?? Moved into new house and can't locate a badge anywhere on the stove. The controls aren't working properly so looking to source spares. Thanks

Forge83 · 10-12-2019 8:20am

PaddyCar wrote: »

Anyone happen to know the make/model of the stove in attached pic?? Moved into new house and can't locate a badge anywhere on the stove. The controls aren't working properly so looking to source spares. Thanks

Looks like a Saey. Really really old model so parts will be very hard to find.

Forge83 · 10-12-2019 8:24am

harvester of sorrow wrote: »

Will house insurance cover you if your stove has been fitted without a flexi Liner?
I'm hearing alot of conflicting arguments....

If the tradesmen says it needs a liner and you don’t install a liner, then yes it’s possible a claim against a chimney fire in the future could be void.

If the tradesmen says the chimney is in good condition and doesn’t require a liner, then no.

In short, it’s the professionals decision, not yours.

Triboro · 10-12-2019 12:13pm

vicwatson wrote: »

Anyone got a ballpark figure to have insert stove fitted with flexi liner, two storey house with cowling, etc etc?

Had a new henly insert fitted recently with new fireplace surround,hearth and granite back.
Fitters supplied 9m flue liner kit,vermiculite(?)insulation around it and 2 new rain cowls on chimney.
Plastered around new fireplace and made good.
2 men for 4 hours.
€1000
Happy with that for job done right and those flue kits are dear!

Mickiemcfist · 10-12-2019 12:15pm

Triboro wrote: »

Had a new henly insert fitted recently with new fireplace surround,hearth and granite back.
Fitters supplied 9m flue liner kit,vermiculite insulation around it and 2 new rain cowls on chimney.
Plastered around new fireplace and made good
2 men for 4 hours.
€1000
Happy with that for job done right and those flue kits are dear!

That sounds good, where was that? If in Dublin would you mind PM'ing their details? Thanks

Triboro · 10-12-2019 12:19pm

Mickiemcfist wrote: »

That sounds good, where was that? If in Dublin would you mind PM'ing their details? Thanks

Tipp

rebeve · 15-12-2019 8:57pm

I had a Henley Opollo 5kw insert fitted abt 3 years ago , Center section of grate is badly warped . Would that be normal for that type of boiler .

dzilla · 24-12-2019 12:15am

When using the peat briquettes in the stove do ye use the primary or secondary air draught for controlling the flame? Should I treat them like coal or wood ?

Mickeroo · 24-12-2019 9:40am

dzilla wrote: »

When using the peat briquettes in the stove do ye use the primary or secondary air draught for controlling the flame? Should I treat them like coal or wood ?

I would have thought coal(so you want the air coming from below.)

I could be wrong though.

adocholiday · 30-12-2019 3:43pm

Hi all, I have an 8kw bilberry stove and have some questions.

Firstly it's multi-fuel and I burn a mixture of pine logs, briquettes and smokeless coal. I have no bother getting a fire going in it but the heat it outputs can vary a lot. There are 3 controls on it: a top switch for regulating heat which I keep fully open at all times, a rotating steel plate that regulates the air coming in which I leave open fully until the fire is burning well then close almost all the way to maintain the fire. The third I'm not sure about and have no manual to reference. It's a bar at the base of the unit that can be pushed in or pulled out but no matter what it doesn't appear to impact the fire or the heat output. It's not the lever that moves the grate to drop the ashes. Anyone have any idea what that might be and if it might affect the heat output?

The other thing is I've read about cleaning creosote from the flue at the stove level on a regular basis but the installer set my stove into the fireplace and bricked it up so I can't actually access the flue at the stove level. Is this something that he shouldn't have done? Or is there access to this from inside the stove itself? Cheers

blindside88 · 30-12-2019 4:04pm

adocholiday wrote: »

Hi all, I have an 8kw bilberry stove and have some questions.

Firstly it's multi-fuel and I burn a mixture of pine logs, briquettes and smokeless coal. I have no bother getting a fire going in it but the heat it outputs can vary a lot. There are 3 controls on it: a top switch for regulating heat which I keep fully open at all times, a rotating steel plate that regulates the air coming in which I leave open fully until the fire is burning well then close almost all the way to maintain the fire. The third I'm not sure about and have no manual to reference. It's a bar at the base of the unit that can be pushed in or pulled out but no matter what it doesn't appear to impact the fire or the heat output. It's not the lever that moves the grate to drop the ashes. Anyone have any idea what that might be and if it might affect the heat output?

The other thing is I've read about cleaning creosote from the flue at the stove level on a regular basis but the installer set my stove into the fireplace and bricked it up so I can't actually access the flue at the stove level. Is this something that he shouldn't have done? Or is there access to this from inside the stove itself? Cheers

I’m a novice but might be able to help you out a little but someone else will probably be along with better info. Is the third control to keep the glass clear? If you close this off does the stove glass blacken up?

In relation to reaching the flue from stove level, you can remove the bricks inside the stove to access the flue, just remember the order in which you took them out so as that you can get them back in correctly

mrtom · 02-01-2020 5:25pm

Smoking issue with stove
I have a Fireline FX 5W stove that smokes when I open it to refuel. The chimney is fully lined and is cleaned twice a year yet the issue persists. The baffle is correctly fitted & I have fitted a spinning cowl, yet no difference.

I have attached a pdf manual with full schematics of this hi efficient stove with its primary, secondary and tertiary air controls for the experts here that understand such.
Also a dropbox link to a short video showing the problem. Here you can see that despite a strong draught it still smokes.

I welcome any ideas out there that would help !

https://www.dropbox.com/s/4td09aw4epo237b/stove%20smoking%20.mp4?dl=0

Forge83 · 02-01-2020 5:45pm

mrtom wrote: »

Smoking issue with stove
I have a Fireline FX 5W stove that smokes when I open it to refuel. The chimney is fully lined and is cleaned twice a year yet the issue persists. The baffle is correctly fitted & I have fitted a spinning cowl, yet no difference.

I have attached a pdf manual with full schematics of this hi efficient stove with its primary, secondary and tertiary air controls for the experts here that understand such.
Also a dropbox link to a short video showing the problem. Here you can see that despite a strong draught it still smokes.

I welcome any ideas out there that would help !

https://www.dropbox.com/s/4td09aw4epo237b/stove%20smoking%20.mp4?dl=0

Could it be lack of ventilation in the house?
Have you a wall vent in the room?

mrtom · 02-01-2020 6:18pm

Forge83 wrote: »

Could it be lack of ventilation in the house?
Have you a wall vent in the room?

yes, issue also with windows open, good point though notice strong draught at air intake on the video clip.

Forge83 · 02-01-2020 6:46pm

mrtom wrote: »

yes, issue also with windows open, good point though notice strong draught at air intake on the video clip.

Windows open will not help as they can pull more air out than in.
Technically the room has to have a permanent open air vent in the room.

Muahahaha · 03-01-2020 8:44pm

Wondering what is best to use to clean ash from the interior firebricks of a stove, is there some sort of brush that is best to use or just any kind of wire brush

Forge83 · 03-01-2020 9:32pm

Muahahaha wrote: »

Wondering what is best to use to clean ash from the interior firebricks of a stove, is there some sort of brush that is best to use or just any kind of wire brush

Don’t use a wire brush as you will damage the bricks.
A normal fireside brush is all that should be used.
Another alternative would be an Ash Vacuum.

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