General Star Trek thread

Beefy78 · 18-09-2012 1:44pm

IvySlayer wrote: »

What really pissed me off about Voyager is they went out of their way to mention how moral and brilliant they were, especially Captain Painway.

Imagine a battered ship with a Starfleet/Maquis crew who distrusted each other. Maybe 2 ships travelling along side each other, eventually learning to get along, Starfleet technology, values, and the Maquis with their experience of being underdogs and having limited resources.

Of course Ron D. Moore ended up making the show that you're talking about.

norrie rugger · 18-09-2012 1:45pm

IvySlayer wrote: »

Was Season 3 the Xindi storyline, temporal cold war bollocks? I hated that.

But most of all, I hate Archer and Merriweather. T'Pol is annoying too, Spock was supposed to be the first Vulcan, end of. Having Tuvok too is overload. :P

Taking most of the temporal cold war out of it and it is some great Trek.

Impulse, The Shipment, Twilight, Similitude, Proving Ground, Doctor's Orders (admittedly a copy of a Voyager episode), Damage, E².

These are great episodes and deserve a second viewing.

Myrddin · 18-09-2012 5:02pm

Nice little video on DeForest Kelly, seemed like an old school gent

Dark Paintedcurtain · 18-09-2012 11:25pm

I really don't see why Tuvok would have stayed undercover given his mission was basically complete, but I do agree that there should have been more ructions. Not necessarily from Chakotay himself, but from the lower decks, with Chakotay in the middle. That way, they would have all stayed on the ship but would have remained a perennial problem.

It's particularly telling because the episode where Tuvok turns people into Maquis fell flat. Suddenly the Maquis got paranoid of the people who spent the last seven years not so much as having a cross word about them putting them into comas.

If there was tensions already, it would not have seemed so random.

Myrddin · 19-09-2012 12:03pm

I've hit my first 'must-skip' episode in my most recent Voyager run through. Season 1 - Heroes And Demons. Normally I like The Doctor based episodes, but I find this episode totally unwatchable.

I dislike Holodeck based episodes to begin with, but add in Norse mythology, terrible names, bad acting & a ridiculous premise...next!

Myrddin · 19-09-2012 12:24pm

Ugh, Cathexis is next. Chakotays conscientiousness floats around Voyager until someone figured out how to use the medicine wheel to put it back where it belongs. Ah Koo Chi Moya, no thanks. Next!

Two unwatchable episodes in a row, ouch.

helimachoptor · 19-09-2012 12:30pm

I am a witch doctor and I will have to fight another soul...woeful!

Pride Fighter · 20-09-2012 3:04am

EnterNow wrote: »

I've hit my first 'must-skip' episode in my most recent Voyager run through. Season 1 - Heroes And Demons. Normally I like The Doctor based episodes, but I find this episode totally unwatchable.

I dislike Holodeck based episodes to begin with, but add in Norse mythology, terrible names, bad acting & a ridiculous premise...next!

I like that episode, it is a bit of craic. I particularly like the doctor eating the big piece of chicken in such a civilised way.

It's a bit of nonsensical fun IMO.

However the next episode you mention sucks big time. I hate all that a koo chi moya crap.

Myrddin · 20-09-2012 8:53am

Pride Fighter wrote: »

I like that episode, it is a bit of craic. I particularly like the doctor eating the big piece of chicken in such a civilised way.

It's a bit of nonsensical fun IMO.

However the next episode you mention sucks big time. I hate all that a koo chi moya crap.

Nah, holodeck episodes are a struggle at the best of times.

GreenWolfe · 20-09-2012 9:29am

EnterNow wrote: »

Nah, holodeck episodes are a struggle at the best of times.

That TNG episode where Worf's brother transported an entire village to another planet in the holodeck is really good.

Myrddin · 20-09-2012 9:30am

EarthlyPangaea wrote: »

That TNG episode where Worf's brother transported an entire village to another planet in the holodeck is really good.

Yeah it seemed way more believable than most other holodeck ideas for episodes.

norrie rugger · 20-09-2012 9:51am

EnterNow wrote: »

Nah, holodeck episodes are a struggle at the best of times.

Professor Moriarty episodes were cool, especially how good Daniel Davis was.
It was also the fore-runner to the holographic rights episode and potentially the EMH programmes, althought that was never explored fully.

I wonder if they ever brought them out of that cube?

Myrddin · 20-09-2012 9:54am

norrie rugger wrote: »

I wonder if they ever brought them out of that cube?

It was probably destroyed at Viridian 3

norrie rugger · 20-09-2012 9:55am

EarthlyPangaea wrote: »

That TNG episode where Worf's brother transported an entire village to another planet in the holodeck is really good.

Having an actor like Paul Sorvino really helped also

norrie rugger · 20-09-2012 9:56am

EnterNow wrote: »

It was probably destroyed at Viridian 3

indeed. I would have liked if they had mentioned it being the inspiration of Zimmerman, to create the EMH doctors. Then it would probably have been on his station.

Myrddin · 20-09-2012 10:08am

norrie rugger wrote: »

indeed. I would have liked if they had mentioned it being the inspiration of Zimmerman, to create the EMH doctors. Then it would probably have been on his station.

Maybe they sent it to the Daystrom Institute? After all, they would have been very interested in it seeing as Moriarty was the first sentient hologram...

norrie rugger · 20-09-2012 10:12am

EnterNow wrote: »

Maybe they sent it to the Daystrom Institute? After all, they would have been very interested in it seeing as Moriarty was the first sentient hologram...

Yeah I can't imagine Picard just putting it on a shelf somewhere. His program would definitely have been for study.

cyrusdvirus · 20-09-2012 4:12pm

About the only Holodeck one i 'enjoyed' was A Fistful Of Data's...

Trek was poking fun at itself and the old west genre there.... the closing scene gave me a right giggle, the Enterprise heading off into the sun....

Myrddin · 20-09-2012 4:17pm

gatecrash wrote: »

About the only Holodeck one i 'enjoyed' was A Fistful Of Data's...

Trek was poking fun at itself and the old west genre there.... the closing scene gave me a right giggle, the Enterprise heading off into the sun....

Plus it had Brent Spiner in it, it was automatically brilliant

cyrusdvirus · 20-09-2012 4:19pm

EnterNow wrote: »

Plus it had Brent Spiner in it, it was automatically brilliant

And Brent Spiner
And Brent Spiner
And Brent Spiner
And Brent Spiner

(Considering he played 6 different characters in that episode)

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0708669/trivia?tab=tr&item=tr0728142

THAT surprised me though....

Myrddin · 20-09-2012 4:23pm

gatecrash wrote: »

And Brent Spiner
And Brent Spiner
And Brent Spiner
And Brent Spiner

(Considering he played 6 different characters in that episode)

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0708669/trivia?tab=tr&item=tr0728142

THAT surprised me though....

A testament to the mans brilliance. Even in the Enterprise augment episodes he was class, the dude can do anything & do it brilliantly

Pride Fighter · 21-09-2012 3:24am

EnterNow wrote: »

Nah, holodeck episodes are a struggle at the best of times.

Would disagree due to the entertaining Data as Sherlock Holmes series as mentioned.

But would fully agree if you cite that Fair Haven crap, at least I think that is the name of that Oirish village Voyager had. What utter crap.

Myrddin · 21-09-2012 8:42am

I didn't overly enjoy the Sherlock Holmes ones tbh, they were ok, but nothing above ordinary at all for me.

The Fairhaven ones were the nail in the coffin for the holodeck. There was also that Godawful dreary kip Sandrine's, that Paris created to hang out in.

Naomi Wildman's Flodder episodes. The episode 'Emergence' of TNG where the ship becomes aware & its a holodeck based episode on a train...'tickets please!'

The list goes on, its an amazing device, but largely, the stories centered on it are woeful.

norrie rugger · 21-09-2012 9:00am

I did like Barclay's take on the crew, in the holodeck though!!

Myrddin · 21-09-2012 9:09am

norrie rugger wrote: »

I did like Barclay's take on the crew, in the holodeck though!!

Thats only because it was a Barclay based, without him I think the episode would have fell flat on its face.

The Q episode of Sherwood Forest is another one, with the singular exception of Worf smashing Geordi's lute & his epic line "Sir I protest! I am not a merry man!". Aside from those two bits, I found the episode cringeworthy

Sir Digby Chicken Caesar · 21-09-2012 9:18am

my main objection to the holodeck is it just makes 0 sense whatsoever

like.. it's a small room
yet several people can go walkies in long directions and never run into a wall.. but still see a consistent world around them. it just.... what?

unless the holodeck also does something to the brain of the person entering it, but then it'd be more VR than holographic

always bugged the pants off me. warp drive.. sure, why not. transporters.. ok, I guess. jonathan frakes as a charismatic ladies man, what the hell I've already accepted warp drive and transporters.. but the holodeck... grargh.

the fact that as you say most of the eps based in the holodeck were godawful didn't help.

Beefy78 · 21-09-2012 10:56am

Sir Digby Chicken Caesar wrote: »

always bugged the pants off me.

Me too. It's possibly my biggest "That just doesn't make any sense at all!!!!!!" thing in Star Trek.

Myrddin · 21-09-2012 11:06am

When two people are in the holodeck & apart, I always thought of it as they are walking on a holographic ground/flooring level that is moving when they walk...like a threadmill for example & there could be holographic walls/scenery between them.

A longshot I know but cmon lads, in a world where Wesley Crusher is at the helm of a flagship...how much sense do you need

Beefy78 · 21-09-2012 11:11am

EnterNow wrote: »

When two people are in the holodeck & apart, I always thought of it as they are walking on a holographic ground/flooring level that is moving when they walk...like a threadmill for example & there could be holographic walls/scenery between them.

A longshot I know but cmon lads, in a world where Wesley Crusher is at the helm of a flagship...how much sense do you need

I'm pretty that is along the lines of how it was explained as working for one person. It doesn't really work when two or more people are in there though.

I don't think the floors were moving though.

Myrddin · 21-09-2012 11:31am

Beefy78 wrote: »

I'm pretty that is along the lines of how it was explained as working for one person. It doesn't really work when two or more people are in there though.

It does, because the entire floor doesn't have to be moving...just the bit your standing on - thats the beauty of a holographic floor/level.

don't think the floors were moving though.

Fairly sure the tech manual sates thats how they achieve a long distance in the holodeck, a combination of altering the scenery/distance in real time, moving floors, & other optical trickery

IvySlayer · 21-09-2012 2:09pm

Blargh, always hated Holodeck based episdoes! The only ones that where OK...was the one Season 1 or 2 where Picard, Crusher, Data and some random dude where stuck before Picard to talk that bizarre language to that alien!

Voyager with Seska was good too. Worst Case Scenario. Author Author aswell, but that's it!

downwithpeace · 21-09-2012 6:43pm

Pride Fighter wrote: »

Would disagree due to the entertaining Data as Sherlock Holmes series as mentioned.

But would fully agree if you cite that Fair Haven crap, at least I think that is the name of that Oirish village Voyager had. What utter crap.

I liked the Data Sherlock episodes but that Voyager Village cr*p was to much.

Pride Fighter · 22-09-2012 2:35am

Seen 2 amazing episodes of TNG from Season 2. A Matter of Honour, with Riker being a replacement first officer on a Klingon Bird of Prey. It's pretty funny in parts, particularly when Riker has the banter with the Klingons at dinner.

The Measure of a Man. Data is threatened with being taken apart by Commander Maddox and a court case ensues over whether he has rights or not.

Man I love Star Trek

:)

Al Capwned · 22-09-2012 12:04pm

From YLYL.... I lost...

Thought some in here might appreciate it..

somuj · 22-09-2012 8:45pm

Am zsrunk, ahhhh dis cud be so mhch better. Picard wkth hoarages :-D even kirk. My gawd janeway is a bitch. Im a fan.i stan up fod janwY

downwithpeace · 22-09-2012 10:37pm

Pride Fighter wrote: »

Seen 2 amazing episodes of TNG from Season 2. A Matter of Honour, with Riker being a replacement first officer on a Klingon Bird of Prey. It's pretty funny in parts, particularly when Riker has the banter with the Klingons at dinner.

The Measure of a Man. Data is threatened with being taken apart by Commander Maddox and a court case ensues over whether he has rights or not.

Man I love Star Trek :)

A Matter of Honour: It never fails to make me laugh when Riker looks at the two Klingon women and asks one or both.

The Measure of a Man: Word is this episode will be extended in the Blu release , I'll find it hard not to buy season 2 given how spectacular this episode it is.

somuj · 23-09-2012 12:24pm

somuj wrote: »

Am zsrunk, ahhhh dis cud be so mhch better. Picard wkth hoarages :-D even kirk. My gawd janeway is a bitch. Im a fan.i stan up fod janwY

argh...
Should stay away from boards while drunk.

Goldstein · 23-09-2012 4:37pm

somuj wrote: »

Am zsrunk, ahhhh dis cud be so mhch better. Picard wkth hoarages :-D even kirk. My gawd janeway is a bitch. Im a fan.i stan up fod janwY

In my head, this was playing in the background reading that

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w-ijEWj2xmg

Sir Digby Chicken Caesar · 23-09-2012 9:48pm

anyone who uses twitter should follow @worfsonofmogh

some hilarious ****

Worf Son Of Mogh ‏@WorfSonOfMogh
Encountered a Borg ship today. I said shoot it. Picard agreed for once. We shot it. Nothing happened. Everyone looked DAGGERS at me.

Goodshape · 24-09-2012 4:02pm

Started watching Enterprise again. Not the first time I've started, but the first time I've stuck with it... and actually enjoying it. A lot!

Usually when I try and watch this show I start at the start and just want to break something before I'm a few episodes in, so I just skipped straight to Season Two this time. And, to my surprise, there's some good Trek in here!

Probably too soon to call it (on S2E18 at the moment) but it's already edging it's way above Voyager on my personal 'Best Trek' list.

downwithpeace · 24-09-2012 5:22pm

Goodshape wrote: »

Started watching Enterprise again. Not the first time I've started, but the first time I've stuck with it... and actually enjoying it. A lot!

Usually when I try and watch this show I start at the start and just want to break something before I'm a few episodes in, so I just skipped straight to Season Two this time. And, to my surprise, there's some good Trek in here!

Probably too soon to call it (on S2E18 at the moment) but it's already edging it's way above Voyager on my personal 'Best Trek' list.

You have a few good episodes left in season 2 including "Regeneration", an interesting epsiode that you might need to watch more then once.

Season 3 was my Enterprise let down but season 4 went very DS9 and did multiple story lines spread over multiple episodes, they are all a great watch bar the first one.

_Kaiser_ · 24-09-2012 9:16pm

Beefy78 wrote: »

I'm pretty that is along the lines of how it was explained as working for one person. It doesn't really work when two or more people are in there though.

I don't think the floors were moving though.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4JkIs37a2JE

Sir Digby Chicken Caesar · 25-09-2012 12:34am

i guess if you were standing on a holographic floor... then it could move for many people simultaneously

still doesnt explain how people could stand on either side of a small room and not see each other though

wouldn't get this sort of carry on in babylon 5 and that's all I'll say on the matter!

Goodshape · 25-09-2012 1:26am

downwithpeace wrote: »

You have a few good episodes left in season 2 including "Regeneration", an interesting epsiode that you might need to watch more then once.

Yeah, enjoyed that. Although it's a bit of a stretch to believe all the data they collected wouldn't have been found and referenced by Picard and co. in the 24th century, but I guess you just have to allow them some leeway. Was still a good episode. Really liked the episode before it too, Cogenitor

Sir Digby Chicken Caesar wrote: »

still doesnt explain how people could stand on either side of a small room and not see each other though

There'd be a holographic projection between them; they wouldn't see each other. The projection I see could be of one side of a city, while you're "in" the other side, "miles away". But actually just on the other side of the room, seeing a different set of holograms.

Could work. Maybe.

cyrusdvirus · 25-09-2012 7:41am

did they not explain the whole holodeck thing in the Ep where Worf's brother transplants an entire village to a new planet via the holodeck?

I remember there being some mention of the holodeck subtly forcing you to walk in a curve when you thought it was a straight line.

Goodshape · 25-09-2012 3:34pm

Arragh jaysus... I'd actually grown to appreciate the ridiculous, cheesy, Enterprise theme song... now they've gone and cut the balls of it in Season 3! Swapped the 80's hair-rock for some Kenny G style rubbish.

Also, maybe I'm being premature (just starting S03E02... and no spoilers, please!) but it seems the 'Expanse' was a bit over-sold at the end of S2, with the tales of inside-out bodies and Vulcans loosing their minds after a week or whatever. Enterprise has been here for months now, I think, and everything's pretty much tickity-boo.

And if they drag this Trip and T'Pol thing out I'm not going to be best pleased. I think it's a pity the pre-requisite Vulcan had to double-up as the token sex-kitten. Where's the logic in those skin-tight cat suits? I understand she's not Starfleet, so no uniform, but the getup seems even more at odds with Vulcan dress sensibilities than it does human.

Myrddin · 25-09-2012 3:41pm

Goodshape wrote: »

Arragh jaysus... I'd actually grown to appreciate the ridiculous, cheesy, Enterprise theme song... now they've gone and cut the balls of it in Season 3! Swapped the 80's hair-rock for some Kenny G style rubbish.

Yep, it was way better before it was reworked!

Also, maybe I'm being premature (just starting S03E02... and no spoilers, please!) but it seems the 'Expanse' was a bit over-sold at the end of S2, with the tales of inside-out bodies and Vulcans loosing their minds after a week or whatever. Enterprise has been here for months now, I think, and everything's pretty much tickity-boo.

Don't worry, the Vulcan thing is brilliantly followed up

And if they drag this Trip and T'Pol thing out I'm not going to be best pleased. I think it's a pity the pre-requisite Vulcan had to double-up as the token sex-kitten. Where's the logic in those skin-tight cat suits? I understand she's not Starfleet, so no uniform, but the getup seems even more at odds with Vulcan dress sensibilities than it does human.

Think about what your saying for a minute, some things are worth disregarding logic for

Goodshape · 25-09-2012 4:13pm

EnterNow wrote: »

Think about what your saying for a minute, some things are worth disregarding logic for

Yeah, but I'm gay, so that stuff just serves to annoy me :P. I don't mind good looking women in a TV show by any means, but Star Trek seems to go for the 13-year-old-schoolboy version of "good looking woman". Dreadful at any kind of actual relationship story-lines.

Still, better than Voyager with their leggy blond, Seven of Tits.

DS9 probably got it right, actually. Kira and Dax were good and thought-out characters first and foremost, and surely not bad on the eyes as an added bonus? And Leeta's personality and character suited the sexy-role just fine. Relationships were good too, Sisko/Cassidy, Dax/Worf, Kira/Odo. But Voy/Ent just stuck a hot chick in a catsuit and worried about the rest later. The T'Pol character could have been a lot better, I reckon.

jsn.peters · 25-09-2012 4:16pm

Bring back voyager

Myrddin · 25-09-2012 4:18pm

Goodshape wrote: »

Yeah, but I'm gay, so that stuff just serves to annoy me :P. I don't mind good looking women in a TV show by any means, but Star Trek seems to go for the 13-year-old-schoolboy version of "good looking woman". Dreadful at any kind of actual relationship story-lines.

Still, better than Voyager with their leggy blond, Seven of Tits.

DS9 probably got it right, actually. Kira and Dax were good and thought-out characters first and foremost, and surely not bad on the eyes as an added bonus? And Leeta's personality and character suited the sexy-role just fine. Relationships were good too, Sisko/Cassidy, Dax/Worf, Kira/Odo. But Voy/Ent just stuck a hot chick in a catsuit and worried about the rest later. The T'Pol character could have been a lot better, I reckon.

Ah I see, in that case then yeah I see your point. I also agree re DS9, both female characters were just downright good, without having to rely on sex appeal. Actually the more I watch Star Trek, the better Kira gets...especially in later seasons when she's calmed down. An example of a well acted, well written character that checks all the boxes for me without cheap shots

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