The Last Of Us 2

Mr.Saturn · 17-02-2021 5:08pm

LOU2 was padded enough out that it virtually served as its own sequel. That said, it is inevitable a proper LOU3 sees them go full Telltale Walking Dead and have Ellie assume the Joel role to hammer home everything they’d already said many times over.

Screw Attack · 17-02-2021 5:57pm

It's a good game overall. The gameplay is obviously superior to the original but Incel Pete and his YouTube pals will obviously ignore that. Seattle Day One is like a mini exploration sandbox that shows off the core mechanics and I really love the rappel feature, sadly it's underutilised but when it occurs it's fun. The Scars are also great foes and it reminds me of what MGS4 could have been in the second chapter if they had enemies which showcased the stealth. I'll give it a 7/10 and its worth a replay. Better than the first one in terms of gameplay but I understand the complaints regarding the controversial story. It'll get better with age.

Mango Joe · 18-02-2021 1:13pm

Zero-Cool wrote: »

As much as I enjoyed TLOU 2, I never put much thought into a sequel but after watching this, I kinda hope they do one now.

Retr0gamer wrote: »

An unnecessary sequel to an unnecessary sequel.

No thanks.

What is it about TLOU that makes some people so stridently and ardently opinionated with matching levels of blind self-assured justification in their thinking?

This isn't Catholicism in 1970's Ireland people, nobody is forcing you to take part in any of this, on any level, not ever.

gimli2112 · 18-02-2021 1:28pm

I just think it's a bad game in comparison to the first and didn't enjoy it .

I'd love to tell you I did like it. TLOU is one of my favourite games with multiple playthroughs. I found this an incredible chore the second playthrough and while I liked certain aspects the first time round, I thought the story was horrid but that's just my opinion.

Leroy42 · 18-02-2021 1:44pm

gimli2112 wrote: »

I just think it's a bad game in comparison to the first and didn't enjoy it .

I'd love to tell you I did like it. TLOU is one of my favourite games with multiple playthroughs. I found this an incredible chore the second playthrough and while I liked certain aspects the first time round, I thought the story was horrid but that's just my opinion.

I would lean much the same, I still haven't gone back for a second playthrough which is telling.

Just felt that it was too drawn out. They had a story to tell, and by god they were going to make sure sure that you not only listened to their story but understood the finer points they were trying to make.

But based on TLOU1, there is a great story and game in there. I just felt they lost their way somewhat in TLOU2. It became bloated, but I understand why. They were attempting a very complex story, and it needed time to tell properly.

Plenty of points I would make about the game that I would change but I would hate to see the entire thing ditched because they failed to maintain the standard of TLOU. TLOU2 is a good game, not a great game like TLOU. But that is always the risk in a sequel.

But for all that, the possibilities for TLOU3 are immense. Further understanding of Abby, to see whether Ellie is truly broken and whether she can redeem herself. The 'universe' they have created is fascinating, terrifying, deep and full of intrigue yet at the end of the day it is all about the simple act of survival.

I thought they tried to do too much in the TLOU2. TLOU1 worked because, at its heart, it was s simple story of the relationship between Ellie and Joel. TLOU2 just had too much going on.

But take those lessons from TLOU2 and there is a great game in there.

Retr0gamer · 18-02-2021 1:49pm

Mango Joe wrote: »

What is it about TLOU that makes some people so stridently and ardently opinionated with matching levels of blind self-assured justification in their thinking?

This isn't Catholicism in 1970's Ireland people, nobody is forcing you to take part in any of this, on any level, not ever.

It's a discussion forum. We are discussing it. And the people that don't love it have already laid out their reasoning quite well.

gimli2112 · 18-02-2021 1:55pm

just to clarify my second playthrough was for collectibles/failed platinum run not because I'm a masochist. In saying that I wouldn't mind fighting the rat king again if only to see him pull Abbey's head off.

Dr. Bre · 18-02-2021 2:13pm

It’s annoying you can’t get the platinum in one walkthrough. Far too intense for me to play it a second time. I enjoyed it tho

Retr0gamer · 18-02-2021 2:22pm

I really don't think part 2 needed to be as long as it was. It's a much less complex story than the first and the characters were paper thin with little development. There's really nothing the game that the game did or said that couldn't have been said in 6 to 8 hours. Even at that it would still be a vapid revenge story, all seen and done before but far better.

Kirby · 19-02-2021 6:57am

The Raging Bile Duct wrote: »

Tbf, a backlash from the pathetic menbabies that you see online giving out about that sort of thing should not influence what a company produces.

The same "manbabies" backlash that gave out about The last of us 2 are the same types that gave out about The Last Jedi.....and that cost Disney several billion dollars. Billion with a B.

I wouldn't be so quick to dismiss such a large section of the population. I'm buying Naughty Dog's next thing regardless because I enjoy their stuff but if future sales are down......I wouldn't be shocked. Pissing off or "polarizing" your fanbase has consequences.

Retr0gamer · 19-02-2021 9:58am

Am I allowed hate the Last Jedi because it's **** and not because I'm a bigot yet? Same question for the ghostbusters film.

sniper_samurai · 19-02-2021 12:30pm

Retr0gamer wrote: »

Am I allowed hate the Last Jedi because it's **** and not because I'm a bigot yet? Same question for the ghostbusters film.

Yes. Ghostbusters 2016 is awful, the cast do what they can with it but can't save a terrible script.

Last Jedi is a middle film in a trilogy that doesn't know how to be a middle film and cuts off pretty much every story thread which meant Rise of Skywalker had very little to work with.

gimli2112 · 19-02-2021 12:34pm

I really hate admitting this on an internet forum but I actually liked Ghostbusters 2016. I do think Kristin Wiig and Melissa McCarthy are hilarious. I guess liking that movie and hating TLOU2 puts me in a very small subset.

Retr0gamer · 19-02-2021 1:36pm

All the actors in ghostbusters were wasted and couldn't save that film. They tried their best but nothing good is going to come from that script.

johnny_ultimate · 19-02-2021 5:54pm

It takes all my strength to not get dragged into internet arguments about The Last Jedi.

I just take great solace in the fact that it exists and is my favourite Star Wars film by a country mile.

Sadly, I am less favourable about The Last of Us 2's place in the Naughty Dog modern canon.

johnny_ultimate · 19-02-2021 7:25pm

The Phantom Pain wrote: »

I didn't even like The Last Jedi but unlike the rest of its detractors I won't allow my distaste for the film muddy basic box office facts.

The Rise of Skywalker “only” made $300,000,000 in profit - cue 100,000 outraged nerd-baby videos about how Star Wars is dead

Retr0gamer · 19-02-2021 7:31pm

I liked that the last jedi subverted expectations and rules but it never came together. There was the floating princess leia bit that was stupid and it got stupider from there. And then the theme of don't be headstrong and adventurous and just sit back and follow orders without questioning them was both ridiculous for an action adventure and a pretty dangerous ideal to be promoting. I find it strange that people think that the film is quite liberal with a theme like that.

Can't call it total garbage. Rian tried something new but it just didn't end up an enjoyable film.

But it also can't be used to excuse rise of skywalker. The Last ajedi in it's defense shook things up and left some very interesting threads to follow up on. It would have been fun to follow it up and do something new with the series, take that challenge left by Rian Johnson and get creative but rise of the skywalker decided to just retcon it and deliver a totally unsatisfying conclusion.

johnny_ultimate · 19-02-2021 7:36pm

The Rise of Skywalker is a terrible movie, but even at that I watched it and said ‘well I never need to worry about it again’.

The sheer persistence with which some Internet (well, youtube) communities can’t let go of pieces of entertainment they don’t like is quite staggering.

Retr0gamer · 19-02-2021 7:43pm

I feel personally attacked.

sniper_samurai · 19-02-2021 7:56pm

johnny_ultimate wrote: »

The Rise of Skywalker is a terrible movie, but even at that I watched it and said ‘well I never need to worry about it again’.

The sheer persistence with which some Internet (well, youtube) communities can’t let go of pieces of entertainment they don’t like is quite staggering.

As I said TLJ closed off too many threads leaving RoS in a poor starting position. Then Abrams turned the ship directly into a black hole and needlessly retconned pretty much every story beat in TLJ and shoe horned in Palpatine for good measure.

CastorTroy · 19-02-2021 8:45pm

For Ghostbusters, I remember saying to someone if I had paid to see it in the cinema, I wouldn't have regretted it. It was grand.
I also didn't mind the sequel trilogy, the Lost ending or the Game of Thrones ending.
True they weren't great, but they're done and they're over and I can move on with my life unaffected either way.

As for Last of Us 2, it was like the multiple endings of Return of the King, if each of those endings were stretched out to multiple hours.

Zero-Cool · 19-02-2021 9:07pm

Oh man, i remember return of the king in the cinema. I just have stood up 3 times to leave before more film started playing, they took the absolute piss.

I really like the California section in this and it's interesting hearing how it was originally a much bigger open world section. Would have dragged way too much though.

gimli2112 · 19-02-2021 9:52pm

CastorTroy wrote: »

For Ghostbusters, I remember saying to someone if I had paid to see it in the cinema, I wouldn't have regretted it. It was grand.
I also didn't mind the sequel trilogy, the Lost ending or the Game of Thrones ending.
True they weren't great, but they're done and they're over and I can move on with my life unaffected either way.

As for Last of Us 2, it was like the multiple endings of Return of the King, if each of those endings were stretched out to multiple hours.

I get the feeling nothing much bothers you

CastorTroy · 19-02-2021 10:19pm

True. You're not the first to say that.

Though there are films I really don't like.
A film I really didn't like was Kingdom of Heaven. Joint second place are Thin Red Line and Syriana.

Retr0gamer · 20-02-2021 1:08am

CastorTroy wrote: »

Joint second place are Thin Red Line and Syriana.

You're not going to find many supporters there.

Mr.Saturn · 20-02-2021 8:53am

It is hilarious that Last of Us Part II struggles to engage so much that it can't even maintain interest in a dedicated Last of Us Part II thread.

20-02-2021 9:56am

Mr.Saturn wrote: »

It is hilarious that Last of Us Part II struggles to engage so much that it can't even maintain interest in a dedicated Last of Us Part II thread.

Well the last few pages are all about movies. So hard to engage with that.

TLOU2 is crap. It’s just rinse repeat non stop.
No likeable characters which is in complete contrast to the first one, even Ellie is not likeable in this. Everyone is just bitter.
So, not a fun gaming experience? And not a fun story to wade through.

If they wanted to cause “controversy” in the gaming world, they chose the most obvious route by killing Joel off. Too easy, try harder naughty dog.

And then they force us to play as the person who killed Joel. I would have loved to been a fly on the wall during those naughty dog meetings. So basically, we are going to give our customers the exact opposite of what they want to pay for.

They built up some great characters that we a wanted to cheer on, and they knew this, and they kill Joel? Why? What was the point, this is a computer game, it’s like stealing candy from a baby.

It’s like buying a sonic game, and sonic dies after the first level, and you’re left with a moaning bitter two tails for the rest of the game, oh, and then you play as dr robotnic who had killed sonic in a cut scene.

The game just has no redeeming features (apart from the stunning graphics, music and sound design :-) )

jones · 20-02-2021 11:19am

I'm shocked that people think TLOU2 is "crap". While i think it has it issues (its too long, some odd story/character choices) i actually admire the story they tried to tell. The world has gone to sh*t and that played out from the very start of the game. I have only finished it once (waiting for PS5 patch to replay it) and when the "controversial" story beat happens at the start of the game i was in shock and it really did turn me off that game at first. But as i kept playing i slowly started to enjoy the story (if that is the right word) despite my issue with that story choice and in the end the character of Abby was like a mirror version of Ellie. This world is a very dark world and even darker than the first game IMO. I wish they had found another way of moving on with the sequel without having to resort to the "incident".

Having said all that I think the issue ND had was they didn't just want to retread the same story as the first game....the problem is that i think that's exactly what everyone else wanted. Gimme more Joel and Ellie god dammit :-)

johnny_ultimate · 20-02-2021 11:33am

Once again, this idea that Joel was a loveable character to ‘cheer on’ feels to me very much at odds with the first game, and its ending in particular. I know others feel differently, but for me the creators always intended him as at best a morally-dubious anti-hero.

I’ve expressed at length the substantial issues I have with this game in terms of its execution, but the fact it’s a bleak game that pulls its characters down some grim, unlikeable directions is completely in tune with the tone and approach of TLOU1. The ‘continued, charming adventures of Joel and Ellie’ was absolutely not the sequel set up by the original. Whether there was any need for a sequel at all is a separate matter.

20-02-2021 11:42am

johnny_ultimate wrote: »

Once again, this idea that Joel was a loveable character to ‘cheer on’ feels to me very much at odds with the first game, and its ending in particular. I know others feel differently, but for me the creators always intended him as at best a morally-dubious anti-hero.

I’ve expressed at length the substantial issues I have with this game in terms of its execution, but the fact it’s a bleak game that pulls its characters down some grim, unlikeable directions is completely in tune with the tone and approach of TLOU1. The ‘continued, charming adventures of Joel and Ellie’ was absolutely not the sequel set up by the original. Whether there was any need for a sequel at all is a separate matter.

There was definitely an opportunity to let Joel redeem himself in the sequel, and perhaps put him in a situation where he sacrifices himself towards the end of the game. His death in a cutscene was cheap and easy storytelling.

I never used the word “loveable”. But I was happy that both Joel and Ellie were alive at the end of TLOU.

Retr0gamer · 20-02-2021 11:59am

Deleted User wrote: »

There was definitely an opportunity to let Joel redeem himself in the sequel, and perhaps put him in a situation where he sacrifices himself towards the end of the game. His death in a cutscene was cheap and easy storytelling.

And thank god they never did this as it would have just shat all over the original. It's about a selfish shmuck that blows his shot at redemption because of his selfishness. Giving him another shot at redemption would just ruin that.

My biggest issue with TLOU2 is it takes nearly 30 hours to say nothing. Nothing about the characters, they are all just awful cartoon characters. It says nothing about the human condition other than 'violence is bad m'kay, look what it did to Ellie'. Abby walks away from it, Ellie doesn't. It's so basic and it just doesn't work because by the end of it no one is a believable character anymore.

20-02-2021 12:02pm

Retr0gamer wrote: »

And thank god they never did this as it would have just shat all over the original. It's about a selfish shmuck that blows his shot at redemption because of his selfishness. Giving him another shot at redemption would just ruin that.

My biggest issue with TLOU2 is it takes nearly 30 hours to say nothing. Nothing about the characters, they are all just awful cartoon characters. It says nothing about the human condition other than 'violence is bad m'kay, look what it did to Ellie'. Abby walks away from it, Ellie doesn't. It's so basic and it just doesn't work because by the end of it no one is a believable character anymore.

Joel was Ellie’s Protector. You can’t just flick a switch. What he did wasn’t selfish, it was human nature.

No parent would have walked away and let a Ellie be sacrificed. (I know he wasn’t actually her dad)

johnny_ultimate · 20-02-2021 12:06pm

I’d go as far as saying everything up until the start of the main revenge plot here is really bloody good (and that Seattle mini open world is great). The use of three perspectives is handled very well, there’s an eerie sense of foreboding when you start figuring out how the pieces are fitting together, and then a sense of helplessness as Joel’s death unfolds. Positioning Ellie as having these unresolved issues with Joel that she can’t confront him about any more is actually a really rich place to position the character at the start of the story. That basic setup I have very few issues with, and it’s compellingly bleak and suspenseful in execution.

Obviously, where the game goes after that is all over the gaff quality-wise and there’s a strong sense of unfulfilled potential. I also think the way the flashbacks are structured unnecessarily muddy some key character motivations until far too late in the game.

Retr0gamer · 20-02-2021 12:23pm

Deleted User wrote: »

Joel was Ellie’s Protector. You can’t just flick a switch. What he did wasn’t selfish, it was human nature.

No parent would have walked away and let a Ellie be sacrificed. (I know he wasn’t actually her dad)

It's the fact he lied to her at the end. He didn't do it for her. He did it for himself. That lie is everything. It just shows he hadn't changed. He was put in a ****ty situation and both choices he had would were not good. But it's the fact that he did it for himself, not Ellie which is most damning. A parent would rescue a child to protect their children. Or you could sacrifice ellie for the fate of humanity. Joel took the choice to fill the hole missing in his life, not for anything else.

jones · 20-02-2021 12:25pm

johnny_ultimate wrote: »

Obviously, where the game goes after that is all over the gaff quality-wise and there’s a strong sense of unfulfilled potential. I also think the way the flashbacks are structured unnecessarily muddy some key character motivations until far too late in the game.

Totally agree its where i was going with my issues with the game earlier. There is some Joel and Ellie moments but they leave them so far into the game it's much less meaningful that it should have been.

I still give this a 8/10

Penn · 20-02-2021 12:34pm

[Deleted User] wrote: »

There was definitely an opportunity to let Joel redeem himself in the sequel, and perhaps put him in a situation where he sacrifices himself towards the end of the game. His death in a cutscene was cheap and easy storytelling.

I never used the word “loveable”. But I was happy that both Joel and Ellie were alive at the end of TLOU.

Him sacrificing or redeeming himself would have been the easiest thing in the world.

The whole point of the world of TLOU is that it's cruel and unfair. There are no easy deaths. You don't get to go out in a blaze of glory. Even Tess' death in the first game was only because she was already bitten and going to die anyway.

Joel spent most of the previous 20 years being cruel and violent. He died a cruel and violent death. It wasn't the easy choice by ND given the reaction most people had to it. They killed him off in a way that featured no redemption, sacrifice, last words to Ellie etc. Just someone trying to make par with his nose.

jones · 20-02-2021 1:00pm

Penn wrote: »

Joel spent most of the previous 20 years being cruel and violent. He died a cruel and violent death. It wasn't the easy choice by ND given the reaction most people had to it. They killed him off in a way that featured no redemption, sacrifice, last words to Ellie etc. Just someone trying to make par with his nose.

This

20-02-2021 1:04pm

jones wrote: »

This

No, not this. Everyone in that world is living a violent life, looking after their own. Joel and Ellie were no different.

The fact that We were asked to join Joel and Ellie’s story is the reason they were the ones we cared about.

Sure if we had spent the main story with another character, Joel AND Ellie would have appeared as monsters, just as everyone else in this world does.

But the thing is, TLOU was a hit because of Joel AND Ellie, and this is a fact.

Their relationship and dynamic was amazing. And they just took a big dump on that and the experience suffered as a result

jones · 20-02-2021 1:12pm

Deleted User wrote: »

No, not this. Everyone in that world is living a violent life, looking after their own. Joel and Ellie were no different.

The fact that We were asked to join Joel and Ellie’s story is the reason they were the ones we cared about.

Sure if we had spent the main story with another character, Joel AND Ellie would have appeared as monsters, just as everyone else in this world does.

But the thing is, TLOU was a hit because of Joel AND Ellie, and this is a fact.

Their relationship and dynamic was amazing. And they just took a big dump on that and the experience suffered as a result

Two things can both be true at the same time ha.

The whole game-world is dog eat dog but i do agree the reason first game worked was due to Joel and Ellie and for whats its worth i would have done the same thing as Joel at the end of TLOU - although probably wouldn't have killed the doctor but anyway.

I wanted to see more of J&E together in the TLOU2 but i can see why ND went the way they did although i wouldn't of structured it in the same way they did so early in the game. As i said they wanted a different story to part 1 or what's the point.

Either way i enjoyed the game and what they tried to do, it doesn't fully work for me but still a cracking attempt. TLOU 1 is one of my favourite games ever so it was always going to be a hard follow up.

gimli2112 · 20-02-2021 1:16pm

It's good that people can take different things from the story, just dismayed so many of you have it so wrong. Joel was great, unfortunately in life the good guys don't always win.

Penn · 20-02-2021 1:27pm

[Deleted User] wrote: »

No, not this. Everyone in that world is living a violent life, looking after their own. Joel and Ellie were no different.

The fact that We were asked to join Joel and Ellie’s story is the reason they were the ones we cared about.

Sure if we had spent the main story with another character, Joel AND Ellie would have appeared as monsters, just as everyone else in this world does.

But the thing is, TLOU was a hit because of Joel AND Ellie, and this is a fact.

Their relationship and dynamic was amazing. And they just took a big dump on that and the experience suffered as a result

But we had that game. A second game of the continued adventures of Joel and Ellie gives so little room for growth. They had the first game, and then 5 years after that. There was nowhere really for their relationship to go, not in a way that could sustain a sequel. Even their frayed relationship at the start of this game and all the flashbacks is enough for background to Ellie's motivations in this game, but not enough to be a story itself.

A TLOU2 with Joel and Ellie would just be a "Oh boy, here we go killing again!" There was nowhere for their relationship to go. There was nowhere for Joel's character to go.

Zero-Cool · 20-02-2021 1:36pm

Am i the only one that liked the story? It was a progression on from the first game and how the lie made Joel a shell of a man and just as Ellie was ready to forgive, he gets taken away leaving her in an emotional heap only to realise how wrong get actions were at the end when it was too late to go back on a lot of things she did. The farm should have been the end for Ellie (and a lot of people playing) but she still had to see it through. Was only when she was in the verge of setting out what she had to do, she realised she didn't all along.

Yeah it was bleak as **** but a great arc for these characters in this horrible world. Want fond memories? remember the museum level.

Also, Star Wars is a load of shyte.

dohboy · 20-02-2021 3:16pm

Zero-Cool wrote: »

Am i the only one that liked the story?

I thought it was great. I find the pushback completely bizarre, and I suspect it has a lot to do with lads having their hero complex crushed. They liked the idea of playing mostly as Joel and chaperoning a young wan around.

Penn · 20-02-2021 3:31pm

Zero-Cool wrote: »

Am i the only one that liked the story? It was a progression on from the first game and how the lie made Joel a shell of a man and just as Ellie was ready to forgive, he gets taken away leaving her in an emotional heap only to realise how wrong get actions were at the end when it was too late to go back on a lot of things she did. The farm should have been the end for Ellie (and a lot of people playing) but she still had to see it through. Was only when she was in the verge of setting out what she had to do, she realised she didn't all along.

Yeah it was bleak as **** but a great arc for these characters in this horrible world. Want fond memories? remember the museum level.

Also, Star Wars is a load of shyte.

I enjoyed the story a lot. Too much padding in places to suit the gameplay at the expense of the story, and some plot points or character moments presented with all the finesse of a kango drill covered in barbed wire, but for the most part I thought it was great. They didn't rest on the laurels of the first game, instead trying to present a new story in a new way. I loved the Part B of the story more than I would have imagined. For me the biggest issue I had was the wasting of Jeffrey Wright as Isaac, which should have been a bigger part of Abby's story.

Also I agree with JU that The Last Jedi is the best Star Wars film. Fight me.

Retr0gamer · 21-02-2021 1:14am

Zero-Cool wrote: »

Am i the only one that liked the story? It was a progression on from the first game and how the lie made Joel a shell of a man and just as Ellie was ready to forgive, he gets taken away leaving her in an emotional heap only to realise how wrong get actions were at the end when it was too late to go back on a lot of things she did. The farm should have been the end for Ellie (and a lot of people playing) but she still had to see it through. Was only when she was in the verge of setting out what she had to do, she realised she didn't all along.

Yeah it was bleak as **** but a great arc for these characters in this horrible world. Want fond memories? remember the museum level.

Also, Star Wars is a load of shyte.

My main issue is all of that above is totally redundant. Everything there is true but everything there was told in TLOU2 over 30 hours.

TLOU1 said all of that in one lie and one facial expression from Ellie at the end of the game. It was subtle but powerful. It didn't need to be spelled out exactly what was going to happen next. It was unneeded and it added nothing. In fact it ended up cheapening that ending. The TLOU1 ending told you that the relationship between Ellie and Joel was doomed.

In the end you had Ellie and Abby with very basic character arcs that were dull, hackneyed, unoriginal and boring.

Think it would have been better not to touch Joel and Ellie and go for a different story in the same universe with new characters.

Penn · 21-02-2021 4:05pm

Retr0gamer wrote: »

Think it would have been better not to touch Joel and Ellie and go for a different story in the same universe with new characters.

I think that's the way they'll have to go for a third game if they were to make one. I wouldn't even have Abby and Lev in it either. Wipe the slate clean and go with all new characters. The world they created is ripe for different stories and situations.

gimli2112 · 21-02-2021 8:31pm

saw a thing an youtube earlier "warzone is awful prove me wrong" I had an eleven page essay proving this fool wrong and then I thought its an opinion however misguided and I didn't sleep much last night so can't invest into an online cod argument and fell asleep

Zero-Cool · 21-02-2021 9:19pm

gimli2112 wrote: »

saw a thing an youtube earlier "warzone is awful prove me wrong" I had an eleven page essay proving this fool wrong and then I thought its an opinion however misguided and I didn't sleep much last night so can't invest into an online cod argument and fell asleep

I wouldn't mind having a read of that

expen12 · 02-03-2021 10:13pm

I just finished the game about an hour ago. There's a lot to sit with but I personally found it incredible. Not flawless, but incredible.

Royale with Cheese · 08-03-2021 3:33pm

I finished it over the weekend, had only played the first one just before Christmas as I've only recently picked up a Playstation again after not owning one since the PS2.

I thought it was pretty good, however I knew that both

Joel would die, killed by somebody called Abby and that Abby and Ellie were the playable characters in the game. I was googling something about the first game when I played it a few months back and underneath the answers were a few commonly asked related questions, one of them was why does Abby kill Joel in TLOU2. Thanks Google. The only thing that was a surprise was just how soon into the game Joel dies.

It was probably a little too long for me, I found the game loop starting to get repetitive by the end. You clear out one area of human enemies just to progress straight onto another with 8 more people to take down. I played it completely stealthy for the most part but towards the very end went a bit gung ho as I just fancied some action and shaking things up a bit.

I was completely unaware of the "controversy" around the game's launch, I knew it had been review bombed but just assumed that was from a load of Xbox fanboys or something like that. When I got to the

transgender character I did roll my eyes a little bit, it just felt very like a box they wanted to tick and you know they decided to put a transgender character in the game and then write the story around that decision. That said it fit perfectly into why Lev would be an outcast from that weird cult so I've no actual issues with it, they made it work pretty well.

Overall pretty decent, not flawless, I might have preferred the first due to it being a bit more concise and having probably the stronger story (this was basically just a revenge plot after all). If they decide to make another I think they'll have to revamp the gameplay considerably. I'm not saying it was bad (far from it) but quite similar to the first and does start to feel a bit samey after 25+ hours.

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