Drew Harris appointed Garda commissioner.

K.Flyer · 26-06-2018 8:29pm

The words pigeons, cats, cans, worms and.. ehh.. popcorn, spring to mind.
This will be interesting on so many fronts.

Spanish Eyes · 26-06-2018 8:29pm

facehugger99 wrote: »

Between this, the Price Harry visit and the hot weather, the Shinnerbots are going into meltdown.

I'd say they welcome it. No point anymore doing otherwise really, they are trying to attract the "middle class vote" in ROI. This is the way to do it. All inclusive, we are wonderful.

CrankyHaus · 26-06-2018 8:31pm

Del.Monte wrote: »

What matters of State security do you imagine he will be passing on to MI5 - everybody knows the Nuclear fallout bunker is under the Costume Barracks in Athlone https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Custume_Barracks Do we have any other secrets that might be useful to a 'foreign' power - the very one we would turn if we were threatened by terrorists/Russia etc.

I cannot tell if you are being flippant to chase thanks, or genuinely cannot understand how giving top level access to state secrets to a foreign police officer with strong ties to foreign intelligence services is a bad idea.

Does any other genuinely independent country in the world have it's national police force headed by such a person?

Britain is one of our closest friends now, but sadly it has not always been and it may not always be in future. A robust and reasonable approach to national Security would not expose our state secrets to the vagaries of future events in this manner.

Timberrrrrrrr · 26-06-2018 8:31pm

DONTMATTER wrote: »

If it was a former IRA member appointed as Garda commissioner would you say the same?

Wouldn't give a tiny shiney sh/te to be honest but then I believe in moving forward and not living in the past wringing my hands.

DONTMATTER · 26-06-2018 8:33pm

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

Wouldn't give a tiny shiney sh/te to be honest but then I believe in moving forward and not living in the past wringing my hands.

You've just spent the last page going on about the shinners and the IRA! The murder of innocents doesn't sit well with some of us.

OldMrBrennan83 · 26-06-2018 8:33pm

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Timberrrrrrrr · 26-06-2018 8:37pm

DONTMATTER wrote: »

You've just spent the last page going on about the shinners and the IRA! The murder of innocents doesn't sit well with some of us.

Pointing out your hypocrisy old bean.

You have people who ACTUALLY murdered others in one party and not a peep from you.

You have a man who has taken on a job and you are pretty much apoplectic over it as he has "ties" to an organisation that did stuff :rolleyes:

"Murder of innocents " only seems to get you riled up when it's the "wrong person" doing the murdering?

Anyway, good luck to the man, hopefully he cleans up the mess that is AGS

Timberrrrrrrr · 26-06-2018 8:38pm

Patww79 wrote: »

There's moving forward and there's allowing someone who would rather destroy the country and everyone in it run the police force. It's absolute madness.

Evidence for this idiotic claim please?

OldMrBrennan83 · 26-06-2018 8:39pm

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DONTMATTER · 26-06-2018 8:39pm

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

Pointing out your hypocrisy old bean.

You have people who ACTUALLY murdered others in one party and not a peep from you.

You have a man who has taken on a job and you are pretty much apoplectic over it as he has "ties" to an organisation that did stuff :rolleyes:

"Murder of innocents " only seems to get you riled up when it's the "wrong person" doing the murdering?

Anyway, good luck to the man, hopefully he cleans up the mess that is AGS

Read this again:

DONTMATTER wrote: »

What the hell is this? I don't support Sinn Féin, the IRA anyone. The murdered a load of people. What has that got to do with the ruc and the British security forces murdering innocents?

The only hypocrite here is you! You are unable to condemn to murderous ruc and British security forces!

26-06-2018 8:39pm

CrankyHaus wrote: »

I cannot tell if you are being flippant to chase thanks, or genuinely cannot understand how giving top level access to state secrets to a foreign police officer with strong ties to foreign intelligence services is a bad idea.

Does any other genuinely independent country in the world have it's national police force headed by such a person?

Britain is one of our closest friends now, but sadly it has not always been and it may not always be in future. A robust and reasonable approach to national Security would not expose our state secrets to the vagaries of future events in this manner.

Wow, have you told the highly paid and highly trained people that run state security to tell them this piece of shocking news? I’m sure they had absolutely no idea about this.

Timberrrrrrrr · 26-06-2018 8:42pm

Patww79 wrote: »

He's a northern loyalist.

You said

would rather destroy the country and everyone in it

Please post your evidence to back up this idiotic claim.

OldMrBrennan83 · 26-06-2018 8:43pm

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martingriff · 26-06-2018 8:44pm

Patww79 wrote: »

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Again some evidence

Patww79 wrote: »

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This is not evidence just rambling of a tinfoil hat conspiracy.

Since he has been deputy commissioner of the PSNI what has he done to the Irish

Timberrrrrrrr · 26-06-2018 8:45pm

DONTMATTER wrote: »

Read this again:

The only hypocrite here is you! You are unable to condemn to murderous ruc and British security forces!

I condemn all murders of innocent people by all and any forces including the British security forces and the RUC.

See, wasn't hard at all;)

One wonders would you be willing to do the same about republican paramilitaries and the murders they committed?

OldMrBrennan83 · 26-06-2018 8:46pm

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Timberrrrrrrr · 26-06-2018 8:46pm

Patww79 wrote: »

He's a northern loyalist.

So no evidence at all that he feels this way just you're assertations that he is A so he must want B :rolleyes:

As I said, idiotic post and an idiotic claim.

DONTMATTER · 26-06-2018 8:47pm

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

I condemn all murders of innocent people by all and any forces including the British security forces and the RUC.

See, wasn't hard at all;)

One wonders would you be willing to do the same about republican paramilitaries and the murders they committed?

Read the post I just copied for you!

So what's the problem then? If we're all against murder then surely we should all be critical of our Garda commissioner being a member of a murderous organisation?

Timberrrrrrrr · 26-06-2018 8:50pm

DONTMATTER wrote: »

Read the post I just copied for you!

So what's the problem then? If we're all against murder then surely we should all be critical of our Garda commissioner being a member of a murderous organisation?

Which organisation is he a member of?

Also, you still haven't condemned the murders committed by republicans duringbthe troubles. Care to pop that down in writing for me?

dxhound2005 · 26-06-2018 8:51pm

Normal service is gradually being resumed. Having women in all the top jobs in the law and order system did not work out well.

DONTMATTER · 26-06-2018 8:53pm

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

Which organisation is he a member of?

He was in the ruc and had close links to the British security forces who committed some disgusting murders.

Del.Monte · 26-06-2018 8:55pm

pearcider wrote: »

I know you're a troll but the IRA formed as a result of the policies of a violent and sectarian state. The vast majority down south supported them in their struggle against the orange lunatics. Lets not completely revise history to garner a few thanks on boards. The RUC and their ilk were also murderous bastards.

Oh dear, obviously written by somebody too young to remember the Troubles? The vast majority down south supported them - Lol - sure they did, as the IRA threatened to bring down civil war on the whole populace down here and routinely shot members of our police force, kidnapped people and ran kangaroo courts. A wonderful bunch altogether. :rolleyes:

CrankyHaus · 26-06-2018 8:55pm

Aegir wrote: »

Wow, have you told the highly paid and highly trained people that run state security to tell them this piece of shocking news? I’m sure they had absolutely no idea about this.

If I were you I wouldn't blindly trust an undistinguished politician, guided by the DoJ, in lieu of any actual argument debunking my points.

Other politicians, state departments and bodies have come up catastrophically short in their core functions in recent history, unless you've forgotten how the government, central bank and financial regulator were asleep at the wheel in the first decade of this century?

Anyway as I alluded to in my earlier point I suspect that this may be part of a broader strategy involving hiving off national security from An Garda. Such an approach would be in line with international best practice and has been advised by Conor Brady, formerly of GSOC and the commission on future policing, among others.

DONTMATTER · 26-06-2018 8:56pm

Del.Monte wrote: »

Oh dear, obviously written by somebody too young to remember the Troubles? The vast majority down south supported them - Lol - sure they did, as the IRA threatened to bring down civil war on the whole populace down here and routinely shot members of our police force, kidnapped people and ran kangaroo courts. A wonderful bunch altogether. :rolleyes:

But the whole country celebrated them in 2016! Do you not remember all the parades?

martingriff · 26-06-2018 8:57pm

Patww79 wrote: »

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RIGHT SO. No evidence just an extreme nationalist who would like to do to Britian what you claim Drew Harris want to do to us.

DONTMATTER · 26-06-2018 8:58pm

martingriff wrote: »

RIGHT SO. No evidence just an extreme nationalist who would like to do to Britian what you claim Drew Harris want to do to us.

That statement looks more like he's an extreme partitionist!!

facehugger99 · 26-06-2018 8:58pm

Do Shinnerbots actually experience the tide of history moving against them as a physical sensation I wonder.

Spanish Eyes · 26-06-2018 8:59pm

Patww79 wrote: »

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You have no proof of that whatsoever. Anyway the destruction of law and order I think that is being achieved by our current Force as we speak. They certainly do not seem to have any loyalty to our citizens, just themselves.

I will give Drew Harris the five years and we shall see. It certainly cannot be any worse than the omnishambles and corruption/nepotism that has already gone on in the Force already surely. Time for a cleanout.

OldMrBrennan83 · 26-06-2018 9:03pm

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martingriff · 26-06-2018 9:05pm

DONTMATTER wrote: »

That statement looks more like he's an extreme partitionist!!

Had to google that

DONTMATTER · 26-06-2018 9:05pm

Patww79 wrote: »

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Hard to explain all our presidents and politicians who were born in the north!

DONTMATTER · 26-06-2018 9:06pm

martingriff wrote: »

Had to google that

Google what?

OldMrBrennan83 · 26-06-2018 9:07pm

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martingriff · 26-06-2018 9:07pm

DONTMATTER wrote: »

Google what?

extreme partitionist

But no not at all

dxhound2005 · 26-06-2018 9:07pm

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

You have no proof of that whatsoever. Anyway the destruction of law and order I think that is being achieved by our current Force as we speak. They certainly do not seem to have any loyalty to our citizens, just themselves.

I will give Drew Harris the five years and we shall see. It certainly cannot be any worse than the omnishambles and corruption/nepotism that has already gone on in the Force already surely. Time for a cleanout.

He only wants two years. His real ambition is to be Chief Constable of the PSNI, and to be eligible he has to serve at least two years in a senior role in another force. Normally that would be on the GB mainland but the Garda position will probably be good to satisfy the criteria.

Timberrrrrrrr · 26-06-2018 9:08pm

DONTMATTER wrote: »

He was in the ruc and had close links to the British security forces who committed some disgusting murders.

2 very important words there!

Any evidence that he was involved in any shady business?

Also you seem to have forgotten your condemnation of murders by republican paramilitaries of innocent people. Any chance of that in your next reply please?

steddyeddy · 26-06-2018 9:08pm

There's a lot of people saying that this in preparation for a united Ireland. Interesting video on Newsnight stating that post-Brexit communication about such an event are already taking place. Some senior unionist figures are even changing their minds.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gBtuwSixYoE

DONTMATTER · 26-06-2018 9:10pm

Patww79 wrote: »

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So no Irish people existed 100 years ago?

DONTMATTER · 26-06-2018 9:13pm

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

2 very important words there!

Any evidence that he was involved in any shady business?

Also you seem to have forgotten your condemnation of murders by republican paramilitaries of innocent people. Any chance of that in your next reply please?

Any evidence that Gerry Adams was in the IRA?

I condemn all murders from anyone, the IRA, British army, SinnFéin whoever! I already said that I was against murderers pages ago!

We need justice for all the victims, appointing a former ruc man won't help open up the case for the families of the Dublin and Monaghan bombings for example.

Timberrrrrrrr · 26-06-2018 9:17pm

DONTMATTER wrote: »

Any evidence that Gerry Adams was in the IRA?

I condemn all murders from anyone, the IRA, British army, SinnFéin whoever! I already said that I was against murderers pages ago!

We need justice for all the victims, appointing a former ruc man won't help open up the case for the families of the Dublin and Monaghan bombings for example.

And you know this how?

DONTMATTER · 26-06-2018 9:22pm

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

And you know this how?

Well as he had close links to mi5, I highly doubt he will as it would seriously expose them.

Spanish Eyes · 26-06-2018 9:23pm

dxhound2005 wrote: »

He only wants two years. His real ambition is to be Chief Constable of the PSNI, and to be eligible he has to serve at least two years in a senior role in another force. Normally that would be on the GB mainland but the Garda position will probably be good to satisfy the criteria.

Any links to that? I think he already has two years in Scotland's police force so he has that anyway.

I'm sure his contract precludes any payoff or pensions contributions if he leaves before his tenure/contract is up.

Del.Monte · 26-06-2018 9:25pm

steddyeddy wrote: »

There's a lot of people saying that this in preparation for a united Ireland. Interesting video on Newsnight stating that post-Brexit communication about such an event are already taking place. Some senior unionist figures are even changing their minds.

Well, I watched that and the only really bit of sense was spoken by Seamus Mallon - make haste slowly! All the old bull showing a handful of Prods doing Irish dancing gives me the heebie-jeebies and is truly cringeworthy.

Timberrrrrrrr · 26-06-2018 9:26pm

DONTMATTER wrote: »

Well as he had close links to mi5, I highly doubt he will as it would seriously expose them.

So we have another scurrilous accusation without a single shred of evidence to back up claims?

Well colour me surprised :rolleyes:

DONTMATTER · 26-06-2018 9:27pm

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

So we have another scurrilous accusation without a single shred of evidence to back up claims?

Well colour me surprised :rolleyes:

You can look up the case if you want. You won't find the files though!

Spook_ie · 26-06-2018 9:28pm

6541 wrote: »

I don't see how this is going to work. This guy is possibly hostile to Irish culture.

https://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/life/features/profile-drew-harris-of-the-psni-30600926.html

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/first-outsider-to-head-up-an-garda-sochna-as-drew-harris-takes-commissioner-role-37051089.html

Being against the culture of turning a blind eye, brown envelopes, dropping into the Gardai relation to get something dropped, sure must be a bad thing.

steddyeddy · 26-06-2018 9:28pm

Del.Monte wrote: »

Well, I watched that and the only really bit of sense was spoken by Seamus Mallon - make haste slowly! All the old bull showing a handful of Prods doing Irish dancing gives me the heebie-jeebies and is truly cringeworthy.

I'd suggest moving into this century then. Their religion is inconsequential.

Timberrrrrrrr · 26-06-2018 9:29pm

DONTMATTER wrote: »

You can look up the case if you want. You won't find the files though!

You made the claim so the onus is on you to back up your claim with evidence or retract the claim.

DONTMATTER · 26-06-2018 9:31pm

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

You made the claim so the onus is on you to back up your claim with evidence or retract the claim.

Where are we? In court? I don't have to do anything and the files have been long destroyed.

Del.Monte · 26-06-2018 9:33pm

steddyeddy wrote: »

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I'd suggest moving into this century then. They're religion is inconsequential.

Why would it be highlighted in the piece if it's inconsequential? As regards moving into this century - no thanks - hell will freeze over before I embrace the Irish language/the GAA/SF etc. Thanks for the advice though.

Drew Harris appointed Garda commissioner.

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