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Gemma O'Doherty and her unicorns

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  • #202
    King Mob
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,324 ✭✭✭✭King Mob


    Deleted User wrote: »
    I've read it.

    I've read it. I'm not avoiding it.

    Calling aspects of other cultures dirty and barbaric is not racist. And yes, I feel that western culture is superior to Islamic culture due to their treatment of women, homosexuality, animals and other barbaric and dirty acts.

    That isn't racist. You claim that it is.

    That's my one and only point.
    Ok.
    So what do you call it when someone claims that another culture or similar group of people is lesser?
    What do you believe antisemitism is since it can't possibly be racism?

    Do you believe that antisemitism doesn't exist as it's discrimination just not against a race?

    Personally, I call it and your stance a bit racist. You might call it something else, but we mean the same thing.

    Perhaps you can provide an example of what you think is racist?
    Deleted User wrote: »
    I'm not avoiding it.
    So that link to the things you said you've read...?


  • #203
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    King Mob wrote:
    Perhaps you can provide an example of what you think is racist?

    Disliking black people because of the colour of their skin.
    King Mob wrote:
    Do you believe that antisemitism doesn't exist as it's discrimination just not against a race?

    anti-Semitism is more political or hating Jews completely for them being Jewish. I don't hate Muslims because they follow Islam. I just don't agree with their aspects of their religion and would oppose them being implemented in western society.
    King Mob wrote:
    Ok. So what do you call it when someone claims that another culture or similar group of people is lesser? What do you believe antisemitism is since it can't possibly be racism?

    Well it depends on context. If for example I feel that western culture is superior to Islamic culture due to the fact that we don't kill gays and allow women equal rights, I would call it common sense.


  • #204
    King Mob
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,324 ✭✭✭✭King Mob


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Disliking black people because of the colour of their skin.
    And then disliking black people because you believe they are dirty and do barbaric things?
    Racism?
    Deleted User wrote: »
    anti-Semitism is more political or hating Jews completely for them being Jewish. I don't hate Muslims because they follow Islam. I just don't agree with their aspects of their religion and would oppose them being implemented in western society.
    Again, you are contradicting yourself here.

    You've also avoided the question.
    How can antisemitism be racism when it's not about a race?

    How is what you say any different from what antisemites say about Judaism?
    Deleted User wrote: »
    Well it depends on context. If for example I feel that western culture is superior to Islamic culture due to the fact that we don't kill gays and allow women equal rights, I would call it common sense.
    Ok.
    So antisemitism is also just "common sense" as long as someone believes that their culture is superior to Jewish culture?

    (Also, lol at your examples.)

    Also, any luck finding that link that forms the basis of your entire outrage?
    Can we just assume you're not going to provide it...?


  • #205
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    King Mob wrote: »
    And then disliking black people because you believe they are dirty and do barbaric things?
    Racism?

    If you think all black people do dirty and barbaric things because of the colour of their skin, yes you are a racist.
    King Mob wrote: »
    Again, you are contradicting yourself here.

    You've also avoided the question.
    How can antisemitism be racism when it's not about a race?

    How is what you say any different from what antisemites say about Judaism?

    I am not. Anti-semitism isnt racism. It's anti-semitism. In fact, I have some misgivings with Judaism such as the enforced circumsicion of male chidren for religious purposes. I think that is also barbaric. Doesn't mean I hate all jews. I just have issues with certain parts of their religion which.

    King Mob wrote: »
    So antisemitism is also just "common sense" as long as someone believes that their culture is superior to Jewish culture?

    (Also, lol at your examples.)

    Also, any luck finding that link that forms the basis of your entire outrage?
    Can we just assume you're not going to provide it...?

    "lol" at my examples all you like.

    I am not outraged, I just don't like halal pracitises. I am not a fan of Islam and their culture outside the western world. I believe that there are problems with almost (if not all) religions but I do feel that Islam is the least compatible to the West. In no way am saying all muslims are barbaric or dirty, I know you would like to try and frame it as if I was, but if I am right about halal, along with the other issues I have with the religion.

    Followers of islam have an issue with the west too, which I can respect. Whenever I am in an Islamist country, I make sure to adhere to their culture's practices.

    And again, using emotive words like "racist" "outrage" etc when people are just trying to get their point across is an underhanded debating tactic.

    My whole point is that disagreeing with religious practises isn't racist. When I say this you immediately point to Jews and Anti-semitism and conflating the two, all the while "lol"-ing when the issue of womens rights and violence against homosexuals is pointed out in response.

    Here's a link
    https://www.agriland.ie/farming-news/halal-non-stunning-of-cattle-pre-slaughter-is-a-contentious-issue-says-vet/

    I wont be responding to you anymore (I know, I said that before) as you are looking for an argument rather than a conversation and to be honest, I don't have the time or inclination to bother with someone like you (that's probably racist in your opinion)


  • #206
    Timberrrrrrrr
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,646 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    If you think all black people do dirty and barbaric things because of the colour of their skin, yes you are a racist.



    I am not. Anti-semitism isnt racism. It's anti-semitism. In fact, I have some misgivings with Judaism such as the enforced circumsicion of male chidren for religious purposes. I think that is also barbaric. Doesn't mean I hate all jews. I just have issues with certain parts of their religion which.




    "lol" at my examples all you like.

    I am not outraged, I just don't like halal pracitises. I am not a fan of Islam and their culture outside the western world. I believe that there are problems with almost (if not all) religions but I do feel that Islam is the least compatible to the West. In no way am saying all muslims are barbaric or dirty, I know you would like to try and frame it as if I was, but if I am right about halal, along with the other issues I have with the religion.

    Followers of islam have an issue with the west too, which I can respect. Whenever I am in an Islamist country, I make sure to adhere to their culture's practices.

    And again, using emotive words like "racist" "outrage" etc when people are just trying to get their point across is an underhanded debating tactic.

    My whole point is that disagreeing with religious practises isn't racist. When I say this you immediately point to Jews and Anti-semitism and conflating the two, all the while "lol"-ing when the issue of womens rights and violence against homosexuals is pointed out in response.

    Here's a link
    https://www.agriland.ie/farming-news/halal-non-stunning-of-cattle-pre-slaughter-is-a-contentious-issue-says-vet/

    I wont be responding to you anymore (I know, I said that before) as you are looking for an argument rather than a conversation and to be honest, I don't have the time or inclination to bother with someone like you (that's probably racist in your opinion)

    Do you have an issue with their insistence on kosher food/meals?


  • #207
    King Mob
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    Deleted User wrote: »
    My whole point is that disagreeing with religious practises isn't racist.
    And again, you misrepresent my point.

    You do so several times in your post. Particularly "all the while "lol"-ing when the issue of womens rights and violence against homosexuals is pointed out in response."

    I assure you, I was laughing at you, not those issues.


  • #208
    King Mob
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,324 ✭✭✭✭King Mob


    Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »
    Do you have an issue with their insistence on kosher food/meals?
    https://www.irishtimes.com/business/irish-pride-is-pronounced-kosher-1.1017884

    I'm sure they'll be rushing to boycott Irish Pride too.


  • #209
    recedite
    Closed Accounts Posts: 13,992 ✭✭✭✭recedite


    Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »
    Halal meat in ireland and the uk is stunned.
    Deleted User wrote: »
    Here's a link
    https://www.agriland.ie/farming-news/halal-non-stunning-of-cattle-pre-slaughter-is-a-contentious-issue-says-vet/
    I think I'll go with the qualified veterinary surgeon on this one.
    King Mob wrote: »
    Also maybe try answering the rest of my questions before asking rhetoric ones of your own.
    You don't get to control the whole conversation simply by calling other people racists. That doesn't give you automatic immunity to any criticism. It doesn't give you the right to interrogate other posters while never answering them, and never citing any evidence for your assertions.

    Maybe try answering some questions yourself for a change.


  • #210
    Blueshoe
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,964 ✭✭✭Blueshoe


    She is apparently talking about flying out to attend the pride parade in Riyadh, Saudi Arabia next week .
    It's the biggest parade in the middle East.

    Wonder what she will get up to out there


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  • #211
    King Mob
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,324 ✭✭✭✭King Mob


    recedite wrote: »
    I think I'll go with the qualified veterinary surgeon on this one.

    You don't get to control the whole conversation simply by calling other people racists. That doesn't give you automatic immunity to any criticism. It doesn't give you the right to interrogate other posters while never answering them, and never citing any evidence for your assertions.

    Maybe try answering some questions yourself for a change.
    Gosh you guys are easily upset by terms and simple questions.

    If you have any specific questions are aren't just transparent attempts to deflect, I'd gladly answer them.

    Could you specify what about Brennan's Bread was changed to make it halal and what about this change has triggered you so much.
    https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=110561971&postcount=188

    Could you perhaps detail out your conspiracy theory a little more to show that it isn't as silly as it seems at first glance...


  • #212
    Blueshoe
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,964 ✭✭✭Blueshoe


    King Mob wrote: »
    Gosh you guys are easily upset by terms and simple questions.

    If you have any specific questions are aren't just transparent attempts to deflect, I'd gladly answer them.

    Could you specify what about Brennan's Bread was changed to make it halal and what about this change has triggered you so much.
    https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=110561971&postcount=188

    Could you perhaps detail out your conspiracy theory a little more to show that it isn't as silly as it seems at first glance...

    http://halalcertification.ie/clients/

    Big list of Irish companies who have been halal certified.

    Don't understand what the problem is. Change is inevitable with the ever increasing and ever changing demographics.


  • #213
    Timberrrrrrrr
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,646 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr


    Blueshoe wrote: »
    She is apparently talking about flying out to attend the pride parade in Riyadh, Saudi Arabia next week .
    It's the biggest parade in the middle East.

    Wonder what she will get up to out there

    Hopefully arrested and locked away for a decade or 3


  • #214
    Blueshoe
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,964 ✭✭✭Blueshoe


    Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »
    Hopefully arrested and locked away for a decade or 3

    More fool you for believing Saudi has a pride parade.

    This is more common:

    https://www-lgbtqnation-com.cdn.ampproject.org/v/s/www.lgbtqnation.com/2019/04/saudi-arabia-beheaded-5-men-proven-gay-torture/?amp_js_v=a2&amp_gsa=1&amp&usqp=mq331AQA#referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com&amp_tf=From%20%251%24s&ampshare=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.lgbtqnation.com%2F2019%2F04%2Fsaudi-arabia-beheaded-5-men-proven-gay-torture%2F


  • #215
    Timberrrrrrrr
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,646 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr


    Blueshoe wrote: »
    More fool you for believing Saudi has a pride parade.

    This is more common:

    https://www-lgbtqnation-com.cdn.ampproject.org/v/s/www.lgbtqnation.com/2019/04/saudi-arabia-beheaded-5-men-proven-gay-torture/?amp_js_v=a2&amp_gsa=1&amp&usqp=mq331AQA#referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com&amp_tf=From%20%251%24s&ampshare=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.lgbtqnation.com%2F2019%2F04%2Fsaudi-arabia-beheaded-5-men-proven-gay-torture%2F

    Hopefully she goes anyway

    And remember, Gemma is homophobic so it's pretty obvious she would only go to an LGBT event to protest against it ;)


    She'd fit right in over there.


  • #216
    Blueshoe
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,964 ✭✭✭Blueshoe


    Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »
    Hopefully she goes anyway

    She has the connections and financial backing so I suppose she could go wherever she chooses


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  • #217
    Timberrrrrrrr
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,646 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr


    Blueshoe wrote: »
    She has the connections and financial backing so I suppose she could go wherever she chooses

    We can only hope she does go there so.


  • #218
    Blueshoe
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,964 ✭✭✭Blueshoe


    Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »
    We can only hope she does go there so.


    Okay. Good talk champ.


  • #219
    Infernal Racket
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,418 ✭✭✭Infernal Racket


    Blueshoe wrote: »
    She has the connections and financial backing so I suppose she could go wherever she chooses

    Where is the financial backing coming from though. I'm baffled. She seems to have a very steady cash flow for an unemployed person. There is a sinister element keeping her afloat somewhere in the background


  • #220
    Blueshoe
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,964 ✭✭✭Blueshoe


    Gerry G wrote: »
    Where is the financial backing coming from though. I'm baffled. She seems to have a very steady cash flow for an unemployed person. There is a sinister element keeping her afloat somewhere in the background

    No shortage of places I would imagine.

    Here's old George Soros wanting the EU to give Africa 30 billion euro every year.

    https://qz-com.cdn.ampproject.org/v/s/qz.com/1292650/george-soros-radical-plan-to-save-the-eu-from-its-next-financial-crisis/amp/?amp_js_v=a2&amp_gsa=1&usqp=mq331AQA#referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com&amp_tf=From%20%251%24s&ampshare=https%3A%2F%2Fqz.com%2F1292650%2Fgeorge-soros-radical-plan-to-save-the-eu-from-its-next-financial-crisis%2F

    Not everyone agrees with George and his thinking


  • #221
    recedite
    Closed Accounts Posts: 13,992 ✭✭✭✭recedite


    Blueshoe wrote: »
    No shortage of places I would imagine.

    Here's old George Soros wanting the EU to give Africa 30 billion euro every year.

    https://qz-com.cdn.ampproject.org/v/s/qz.com/1292650/george-soros-radical-plan-to-save-the-eu-from-its-next-financial-crisis/amp/?amp_js_v=a2&amp_gsa=1&usqp=mq331AQA#referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com&amp_tf=From%20%251%24s&ampshare=https%3A%2F%2Fqz.com%2F1292650%2Fgeorge-soros-radical-plan-to-save-the-eu-from-its-next-financial-crisis%2F

    Not everyone agrees with George and his thinking
    A simple enough plan. We borrow money, and send it to Africa. They spend it, instead of working for a living. Then we, and our kids, pay off the debt, plus interest payments, to Soros and his Bankster buddies. If we don't manage to repay the money in time, the euro currency gradually gets devalued, making us all a little bit poorer relative to the rest of the world. Soros and the banksters, of course, get even richer.
    Soros gestures at some financial wizardry, saying he has in mind “an ingenious device, a special-purpose vehicle, that would enable the EU to tap financial markets at a very advantageous rate without incurring a direct obligation for itself or for its member states.” Soros hints that his plan would take advantage of the long under-utilized borrowing capacity of the EU.
    "under-utilized borrowing capacity" my ar$e.


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  • #222
    micosoft
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,367 ✭✭✭micosoft


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Racism is treating someone different or feeling superior to them because of their ethnicity/race.

    I don't oppose anyone's ethnicity or race. I oppose plenty of people ideals. Just like you do.

    But it's easier for you to call everyone a racist if they don't agree with you. Fire ahead. As I said earlier, it is pointless:

    So Xenophobia then?


  • #223
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    micosoft wrote:
    So Xenophobia then?

    Perhaps. Although it does imply that I would be opposed to every foreign concept which would be incorrect.

    I am only opposed to foreign ideas which I deem to be regressive or damaging.

    But in this day and age, having any opinion that opposes political correctness is either a "phobia" or an "ism"


  • #224
    super_furry
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,349 ✭✭✭✭super_furry


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PM_HdcDs34o


    Well if nothing else she's dropping the pretence now. Her scummy racist beliefs are there for all to see.

    Wonder of she's have the courage to say that to the likes of Paul McGrath.


  • #225
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    super_furry wrote:
    Well if nothing else she's dropping the pretence now. Her scummy racist beliefs are there for all to see.

    I'm no fan of hers, but that clip you posted was not racist.
    super_furry wrote:
    Wonder of she's have the courage to say that to the likes of Paul McGrath.

    Hahahahhahaha..... What the hell is that even meant to mean? Brilliant.


  • #226
    King Mob
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,324 ✭✭✭✭King Mob


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    Perhaps. Although it does imply that I would be opposed to every foreign concept which would be incorrect.

    I am only opposed to foreign ideas which I deem to be regressive or damaging.

    But in this day and age, having any opinion that opposes political correctness is either a "phobia" or an "ism"
    So halal certified bread is damaging how...?


  • #227
    Boxing.Fan
    Registered Users Posts: 452 ✭✭Boxing.Fan


    super_furry wrote: »
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PM_HdcDs34o


    Well if nothing else she's dropping the pretence now. Her scummy racist beliefs are there for all to see.

    Wonder of she's have the courage to say that to the likes of Paul McGrath.

    Say what to Paul McGrath? That there are junkies having black kids for money?

    What's it got to do with him?


  • #228
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    Boxing.Fan wrote:
    What's it got to do with him?

    Because he is black. That makes him African. He should be offended that "people like him" are illegal and having sex with junkies to get citizenship. You know, people like Paul McGrath.

    That's the mindset we have to deal with


  • #229
    Cordell
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,147 ✭✭✭Cordell


    Yes, that's the bigotry of low expectations, or some variant of it. Quite rampant among this type of the uncalled-for defenders of minorities. More racist than everyone else, this is what they are.

    Now, Gemma is clearly a nutcase, but even a broken clock is right 2 times a day. Saying that she's this and that is not actually debating whether what she's saying is true or not: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_hominem


  • #230
    Overheal
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 85,053 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Because he is black. That makes him African.

    .....nnnno.


  • #231
    Overheal
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 85,053 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    King Mob wrote: »
    I assure you, I was laughing at you, not those issues.

    oy! nnNO.

    tenor.gif


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  • #232
    King Mob
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,324 ✭✭✭✭King Mob


    Cordell wrote: »
    Yes, that's the bigotry of low expectations, or some variant of it. Quite rampant among this type of the uncalled-for defenders of minorities. More racist than everyone else, this is what they are.

    Now, Gemma is clearly a nutcase, but even a broken clock is right 2 times a day. Saying that she's this and that is not actually debating whether what she's saying is true or not: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_hominem
    Yes, but broken clock is wrong 99.99% of the time. And even when the clock might be right, you are right to doubt it's accurate since it's ya know, broken.

    Her opinions about race and sinister muslim take overs and evil sneaky halal bread are wrong and they are also racist.
    They are as equally as wrong as her opinions about chemtrails and vaccinations. But at least those conspiracy theories aren't racist.

    Funny how broken clocks only seem to be right when they agree with someones opinions...


  • #233
    Cordell
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    Indeed, a broken clock it's dead right when it shows the same time as my internet sync'ed smartwatch!!!
    She's a racist nutcase, I fully agree here.
    Halal is bad because it's a dirty evil muslim thing - racist
    Halal is bad because it's religious fundamentalism - not racist

    Hope all is clear now.


  • #234
    King Mob
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    Cordell wrote: »
    Indeed, a broken clock it's dead right when it shows the same time as my internet sync'ed smartwatch!!!
    She's a racist nutcase, I fully agree here.
    Halal is bad because it's a dirty evil muslim thing - racist
    Halal is bad because it's religious fundamentalism - not racist

    Hope all is clear now.
    Sure. And posters here used the word "dirty" (amoung other terms) to describe halal food.
    Others have been saying that was not racist.


  • #235
    [Deleted User]
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    Cordell wrote:
    Indeed, a broken clock it's dead right when it shows the same time as my internet sync'ed smartwatch!!! She's a racist nutcase, I fully agree here. Halal is bad because it's a dirty evil muslim thing - racist Halal is bad because it's religious fundamentalism - not racist

    I agree. Although I would describe certain practices of fundamentalism dirty and evil.


  • #236
    Cordell
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,147 ✭✭✭Cordell


    King Mob wrote: »
    Sure. And posters here used the word "dirty" (amoung other terms) to describe halal food.
    Others have been saying that was not racist.

    Bad choice of wording I presume, probably they will have no issue enjoying a good kebab, as I don't have any. They don't like to see religious fundamentalism rubber stamping general food stuff, which is not racism. Or the barbaric practice of slaughtering aware animals while saying a prayer.
    And in any case, what they said cannot be used to attack my point.
    Deleted User wrote: »
    I agree. Although I would describe certain practices of fundamentalism dirty and evil.
    Sure, this is what fundamentalism usually is. Foreign or not.


  • #237
    ohnonotgmail
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,513 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    Cordell wrote: »
    Bad choice of wording I presume, probably they will have no issue enjoying a good kebab, as I don't have any. They don't like to see religious fundamentalism rubber stamping general food stuff, which is not racism. Or the barbaric practice of slaughtering aware animals while saying a prayer.
    And in any case, what they said cannot be used to attack my point.

    every animal slaughtered in ireland is stunned. its the law. To say otherwise is a lie.


  • #238
    recedite
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    ohnonotgmail wrote: »
    every animal slaughtered in ireland is stunned. its the law. To say otherwise is a lie.
    The voice of authority speaks. Which exact law would that be?


  • #239
    Cordell
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,147 ✭✭✭Cordell


    ohnonotgmail wrote: »
    every animal slaughtered in ireland is stunned. its the law. To say otherwise is a lie.

    No, to lie means to make false statements intentionally, where the "intentionally" part is the key.


  • #240
    ohnonotgmail
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,513 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    recedite wrote: »
    The voice of authority speaks. Which exact law would that be?

    only simple research is required. http://www.irishstatutebook.ie/eli/1995/si/114/made/en/print
    Cordell wrote: »
    No, to lie means to make false statements intentionally, where the "intentionally" part is the key.

    When you have been corrected and continue to repeat incorrect information then that is a lie. To declare something as fact without bothering to do the slightest bit of research is as good a lie as makes no difference.


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  • #241
    King Mob
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,324 ✭✭✭✭King Mob


    Cordell wrote: »
    Bad choice of wording I presume, probably they will have no issue enjoying a good kebab, as I don't have any. They don't like to see religious fundamentalism rubber stamping general food stuff, which is not racism.
    It wasn't a typo or slip of the tongue. It was said many times, in very clear terms, then those terms were defended to the hilt.

    It was claimed that halal was dirty and that mosques were ****holes.
    Muslims were told that they should go home if they want halal food.
    Cordell wrote: »
    Or the barbaric practice of slaughtering aware animals while saying a prayer.
    Calling it barbaric is not much better than calling it dirty to be honest.

    But it's beside the point because, again, we are referring to bread.
    You don't slaughter animals to make bread.

    If the issue is the treatment of animals, then I can only assume that everyone who is upset about the idea of halal slaughter also makes sure that all of the food they eat is completely cruelty free and are not even tangentially connected to things like battery farms or the production of things like veal or Pate.
    And I assume that they are also equally careful about not eating kosher food.
    Right?

    There's no other reason why they are singling out halal food to get triggered by... right?


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    Cordell
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    ohnonotgmail wrote: »
    only simple research is required. http://www.irishstatutebook.ie/eli/1995/si/114/made/en/print



    When you have been corrected and continue to repeat incorrect information then that is a lie. To declare something as fact without bothering to do the slightest bit of research is as good a lie as makes no difference.

    So, because it's illegal it does not happen, like with any illegal stuff, right?
    My due diligence: https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/irish-cattle-slaughtered-in-conditions-breaching-eu-law-1.3033583
    Have you done yours?
    Now who's lying?


  • #243
    Cordell
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    King Mob wrote: »
    And I assume that they are also equally careful about not eating kosher food.
    Right?
    I'm not their representative so I'll stop defending them, but as for myself, I have the same issue with both of them.


  • #244
    ohnonotgmail
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,513 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    Cordell wrote: »
    So, because it's illegal it does not happen, like with any illegal stuff, right?
    My due diligence: https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/irish-cattle-slaughtered-in-conditions-breaching-eu-law-1.3033583
    Have you done yours?
    Now who's lying?

    Well not me. you need to read the article you are linking to BEFORE posting it.
    Cattle and sheep which are being exported live from Ireland to the Middle East are being slaughtered in shocking conditions in “clear breach of EU laws”, Irish farmers have been warned.

    the animals are not being slaughtered here.


  • #245
    Cordell
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    I never said it's happening here, does it even matter where it happens? It's less barbaric if it happens in some other corner of the world, and then the meat is re-imported here? Does it make a difference?


  • #246
    ohnonotgmail
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,513 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    Cordell wrote: »
    I never said it's happening here, does it even matter where it happens? It's less barbaric if it happens in some other corner of the world, and then the meat is re-imported here? Does it make a difference?

    well it does matter when you are complaining about halal being practiced in ireland. I would say it is pretty bloody central.


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  • #247
    King Mob
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    Cordell wrote: »
    I'm not their representative so I'll stop defending them, but as for myself, I have the same issue with both of them.
    So why do you think people here on this thread are getting all wound up about halal and not kosher?
    Why halal and not the other cruel things done to other animals done in the supposedly civilised non-muslim world?
    Why do you think Gemma brought it up?

    Do you think that maybe, just maybe it's cause some people want a go at the muslims and nothing else?


  • #248
    recedite
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    ohnonotgmail wrote: »
    only simple research is required. http://www.irishstatutebook.ie/eli/1995/si/114/made/en/print
    Your link describes "best practice" ie the modern western method of slaughter.
    It does not describe the halal ritual slaughter method.
    EU law allows exemptions from best practice, for religious "ritual slaughter".



    EU stats tell us that not only is Halal method used in Ireland, but it's out of all proportion to the muslim population of Ireland.
    In Ireland, with 1% of consumers Muslim, 6% of cattle and 34% of sheep were killed without stunning, and In France 40% of calves, 25% of bovines (cattle) and 54% of ovines (sheep etc.) were killed without stunning according to a survey done in 2006-07.
    According to halal ritual slaughter, the animal must be fully conscious when they slit its throat, and then the muslim with the knife watches while the animal convulses violently, and gradually it bleeds out.
    The rest of us are entitled to call that unnecessary and barbaric.


  • #249
    King Mob
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    ohnonotgmail wrote: »
    well it does matter when you are complaining about halal being practiced in ireland. I would say it is pretty bloody central.

    Also now, the issue with the halal bread is that animals are being exported I guess?

    This is a pretty weird one, even by conspiracy theory standards...


  • #250
    King Mob
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    recedite wrote: »
    According to halal ritual slaughter, the animal must be fully conscious when they slit its throat, and then the muslim with the knife watches while the animal convulses violently, and gradually it bleeds out.
    The rest of us are entitled to call that unnecessary and barbaric.
    Lol, that does sure sound scary.
    And you certainly do make that muslim guy sound awfully barbaric.

    But you're cool with how pate is made...?
    Kosher food?


  • #251
    ohnonotgmail
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,513 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    recedite wrote: »
    Your link describes "best practice" ie the modern western method of slaughter.
    It does not describe the halal ritual slaughter method.
    EU law allows exemptions from best practice, for religious "ritual slaughter".



    EU stats tell us that not only is Halal method used in Ireland, but it's out of all proportion to the muslim population of Ireland.
    According to halal ritual slaughter, the animal must be fully conscious when they slit its throat, and then the muslim with the knife watches while the animal convulses violently, and gradually it bleeds out.
    The rest of us are entitled to call that unnecessary and barbaric.

    All slaughtered animals in this country are stunned first. Stunning is permitted as part of halal.


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