The Hard Shoulder with Ivan Yates (interregnum)

Darc19 · 03-08-2020 7:43pm

EmmetSpiceland wrote: »

She had a popular slot at the weekend called ‘Global Village’. But there was an acrimonious ending due her reaction to their “handling” of George Hook.

Not sure if she quit or was “axed”. Having her on in place of Ivan would have caused quite a stir but she is standing firm.

Preissner might be a way for the station to “attract” a younger crowd.

I liked global village, but I don't think she's suitable for day to day radio esp drive time.

I'd be moving Matt Cooper into the slot and give him a sidekick to inject some lighthearted banter

Zero chance of Michael harding - he still writes for the Irish Times.

Irish times and communicorp do not match

03-08-2020 10:08pm

EmmetSpiceland wrote: »

Preissner might be a way for the station to “attract” a younger crowd.

Not sure if you're joking but that's not a bad suggestion at all.

Someone mentioned Karl Deiter earlier. Give him the gig, alongside Preissner. There would be real balance, and very strongly held, if polarised, views.

CatFromHue · 04-08-2020 12:54am

Giving someone, Presissner, with no radio experience, hosting experience, or current affairs experience a daily 3 hour show is some ask!

EmmetSpiceland · 04-08-2020 10:29am

A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »

Not sure if you're joking but that's not a bad suggestion at all.

Someone mentioned Karl Deiter earlier. Give him the gig, alongside Preissner. There would be real balance, and very strongly held, if polarised, views.

I’m not suggesting anyone head down to the bookies and put their house on it, these are just the “rumours” filtering out of Marconi House.

Would Deiter want to leave his current position for a permanent radio job? He’s co-hosted the Tonight Show before, if I’m not mistaken so wouldn’t rule it out. Haven’t heard his name “mentioned” but that doesn’t mean anything.

CatFromHue wrote: »

Giving someone, Presissner, with no radio experience, hosting experience, or current affairs experience a daily 3 hour show is some ask!

True but she does have that, fairly successful, podcast so wouldn’t be a stranger to “broadcasting”. Might boost their ratings with younger listeners, who knows?

I, personally, think if Matt Cooper gets the gig I’ll be “switching” to Today FM to listen to whomever has replaced him over there.

I believe I’m only hearing of the “outsiders” in the running, you’d have to imagine they’d be, seriously, considering Gavin Reilly, Andrea Gilligan and Susan Keogh. Among others.

RINO87 · 04-08-2020 12:58pm

A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »

Not sure if you're joking but that's not a bad suggestion at all.

Someone mentioned Karl Deiter earlier. Give him the gig, alongside Preissner. There would be real balance, and very strongly held, if polarised, views.

Interesting - I think that could work.

meeeeh · 04-08-2020 1:01pm

I hope it's not Cagney. I know it's holiday season but the show is a snooze fest at the moment.

duffman13 · 04-08-2020 1:08pm

EmmetSpiceland wrote: »

I’m not suggesting anyone head down to the bookies and put their house on it, these are just the “rumours” filtering out of Marconi House.

Would Deiter want to leave his current position for a permanent radio job? He’s co-hosted the Tonight Show before, if I’m not mistaken so wouldn’t rule it out. Haven’t heard his name “mentioned” but that doesn’t mean anything.

True but she does have that, fairly successful, podcast so wouldn’t be a stranger to “broadcasting”. Might boost their ratings with younger listeners, who knows?

I, personally, think if Matt Cooper gets the gig I’ll be “switching” to Today FM to listen to whomever has replaced him over there.

I believe I’m only hearing of the “outsiders” in the running, you’d have to imagine they’d be, seriously, considering Gavin Reilly, Andrea Gilligan and Susan Keogh. Among others.

Andrea Gilligan struggles a bit I feel, shes decent with a side kick but can't see her getting it on her own. Gavin is very polished and possibly a bit to clean to follow Ivan. Cagney isn't the answer, nice enough fella but just not great.

Loafing Oaf · 04-08-2020 2:33pm

meeeeh wrote: »

I hope it's not Cagney. I know it's holiday season but the show is a snooze fest at the moment.

Given he's officially retired from a breakfast tv show, I'd be surprised if wanted to take over a hi-octane drivetime news programme full-time. Maybe if they were really struggling for a long-term option he might agree to take it on for six months or a year...

05-08-2020 1:00am

EmmetSpiceland wrote: »

I’m not suggesting anyone head down to the bookies and put their house on it, these are just the “rumours” filtering out of Marconi House.

Would Deiter want to leave his current position for a permanent radio job? He’s co-hosted the Tonight Show before, if I’m not mistaken so wouldn’t rule it out. Haven’t heard his name “mentioned” but that doesn’t mean anything.

what does Karl Deiter actually do, if you know? Presumably he's a CFA. I like him because although he's economically conservative, he isn't one of these guys who is tied-down by ideology: he favours massive investment in house-building, for example.

Anyway, in horse racing terminology, the guy's a bit of a drifter, but an interesting outside prospect. Would love to see him get the gig.

05-08-2020 1:07am

Also just to say I think we should probably close this thread soon, as Ivan is now off air, should we? Up to you. Get your final praise or criticism in, and a mod shall probably close the thread in the coming days

PhilOssophy · 05-08-2020 9:02am

A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »

Also just to say I think we should probably close this thread soon, as Ivan is now off air, should we? Up to you. Get your final praise or criticism in, and a mod shall probably close the thread in the coming days

I think it is interesting to discuss his replacement, and then close it? No?

Re Karl Dieter, etc, I guess it depends if people want a "presenter presenter" or a potential maverick like Ivan was. One thing I liked about Ivan was his lack of polish and that he wasn't samey samey.

Loafing Oaf · 05-08-2020 10:33am

PhilOssophy wrote: »

I think it is interesting to discuss his replacement, and then close it? No?

Re Karl Dieter, etc, I guess it depends if people want a "presenter presenter" or a potential maverick like Ivan was. One thing I liked about Ivan was his lack of polish and that he wasn't samey samey.

But he also knew his stuff, or most of it; IMO he was as well up as any Irish radio presenter on the key fields of politics, business and sport.
I mean, Peter Casey would certainly be a maverick but I don't think he would succeed as a radio presenter on that basis alone.

ballsymchugh · 05-08-2020 10:39am

A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »

Also just to say I think we should probably close this thread soon, as Ivan is now off air, should we? Up to you. Get your final praise or criticism in, and a mod shall probably close the thread in the coming days

the hard shoulder is still going. maybe change the thread title?

Bandana boy · 05-08-2020 10:40am

A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »

Also just to say I think we should probably close this thread soon, as Ivan is now off air, should we? Up to you. Get your final praise or criticism in, and a mod shall probably close the thread in the coming days

the show is still on the air and not due to be replaced for another month

EmmetSpiceland · 05-08-2020 11:05am

https://www.newstalk.com/news/newstalk-new-weekday-schedule-1056236

“ Newstalk today revealed its new weekday schedule, which will start on 31st August.

Ciara Kelly, who has presented Newstalk’s Lunchtime Live for nearly three years, will join Shane Coleman as the new co-anchor on Newstalk Breakfast.

Kieran Cuddihy trades early mornings for evening drivetime as the new presenter of The Hard Shoulder and Andrea Gilligan is announced as the new host of Lunchtime Live.”

Mervyn Skidmore · 05-08-2020 11:05am

So Kieran Cuddihy is taking over from Ivan. Strange one in my opinion. Ciara Kelly moving to the breakfast show.

EmmetSpiceland · 05-08-2020 11:08am

Bizarre moving Cuddihy and not Coleman to Ivan’s “slot”.

I like Andrea Gilligan but would have preferred Susan Keogh taking over from Dr. Ciara Kelly. But, again, the presenter isn’t the “issue” with ‘Lunchtime Live’, it’s the format.

Not really a fan of the breakfast show and not sure moving Dr. Kelly over will have me switching off Marty in the Morning.

Loafing Oaf · 05-08-2020 11:15am

EmmetSpiceland wrote: »

Bizarre moving Cuddihy and not Coleman to Ivan’s “slot”.

I like Andrea Gilligan but would have preferred Susan Keogh taking over from Dr. Ciara Kelly. But, again, the presenter isn’t the “issue” with ‘Lunchtime Live’, it’s the format.

Not really a fan of the breakfast show and not sure moving Dr. Kelly over will have me switching off Marty in the Morning.

It just shows the real dearth of talent at the station that moving these guys around is the best they can do. Remember Coleman originally came in as a 'political analyst'/stand-in presenter but they realised they needed him presenting one of the big news shows, beize and all as he is, because they had so few alternatives with his knowledge/experience.

I presume they're moving Ciara Kelly to breakfast because they need their biggest guns where the biggest potential audience is?

el_gaucho · 05-08-2020 11:28am

Cuddihy is a strange choice. I don’t rate him so I’ll be switching to Matt Cooper. Then again, his show has gone downhill in recent years so maybe I’ll try Mary Wilson.

I remember Susan Keogh stood in for Matt Cooper on the Last Word a couple of years ago and I thought she did well. I think she would have been a better choice from the current Newstalk crew.

ButtersSuki · 05-08-2020 11:50am

EmmetSpiceland wrote: »

https://www.newstalk.com/news/newstalk-new-weekday-schedule-1056236

“ Newstalk today revealed its new weekday schedule, which will start on 31st August.

Ciara Kelly, who has presented Newstalk’s Lunchtime Live for nearly three years, will join Shane Coleman as the new co-anchor on Newstalk Breakfast.

Kieran Cuddihy trades early mornings for evening drivetime as the new presenter of The Hard Shoulder and Andrea Gilligan is announced as the new host of Lunchtime Live.”

Lots of questions and surprise moves there.

Nice to see Gilligan get a chance to front a show on her own.

I’m surprised that it was Cuddihy and not Coleman that got the drive time gig. I’m not a massive fan of either, but I do think Coleman is an awful lot better than Cuddihy.

Kelly previously presented the Breakfast Show for a while with Coleman before getting lunchtime, and from memory he enjoyed teasing her in the same way he used to tease Williams. She wasn’t great (from memory) on the meatier and political topics but maybe she’ll provide balance to Coleman.

Is this a demotion for Kelly? Part of me thinks so. Or are they putting her with Coleman for experience before letting her fly solo on Drivetime in a year or two?

hamburgham · 05-08-2020 12:03pm

ButtersSuki wrote: »

Lots of questions and surprise moves there.

Nice to see Gilligan get a chance to front a show on her own.

I’m surprised that it was Cuddihy and not Coleman that got the drive time gig. I’m not a massive fan of either, but I do think Coleman is an awful lot better than Cuddihy.

Kelly previously presented the Breakfast Show for a while with Coleman before getting lunchtime, and from memory he enjoyed teasing her in the same way he used to tease Williams. She wasn’t great (from memory) on the meatier and political topics but maybe she’ll provide balance to Coleman.

Is this a demotion for Kelly? Part of me thinks so. Or are they putting her with Coleman for experience before letting her fly solo on Drivetime in a year or two?

I think it’s a demotion for Kelly and a promotion for Cuddihy. Who on earth would want to get up at 4.30 in the morning.I can’t see it working (I find her annoying) and would say she’s on the way out. I like Shane though and hope she doesn’t drag the show down. Doubt if he’s thrilled about it.

Cuddihy is smarter than Coleman,a little bit off beat sometimes and not as strait laced, a bit more personality.I like him and hope it works.

I don’t think Andrea knows much about anything but is likeable so can only be a lightweight show which is what it was anyway.Have yet to hear an original thought.

meeeeh · 05-08-2020 12:05pm

I like Cuddihy. I like his sarcasm and less nicey nice approach. I find Gilligan awful when she has to do Lunchtime (she is grand for news type programs). Kelly and Coleman could be good.

bazermc · 05-08-2020 12:05pm

I’d say Cuddihy is glad that he doesn’t need to get up at 4am every morning to drive from KK to Dublin.

EmmetSpiceland · 05-08-2020 12:14pm

ButtersSuki wrote: »

Lots of questions and surprise moves there.

Nice to see Gilligan get a chance to front a show on her own.

I’m surprised that it was Cuddihy and not Coleman that got the drive time gig. I’m not a massive fan of either, but I do think Coleman is an awful lot better than Cuddihy.

Kelly previously presented the Breakfast Show for a while with Coleman before getting lunchtime, and from memory he enjoyed teasing her in the same way he used to tease Williams. She wasn’t great (from memory) on the meatier and political topics but maybe she’ll provide balance to Coleman.

Is this a demotion for Kelly? Part of me thinks so. Or are they putting her with Coleman for experience before letting her fly solo on Drivetime in a year or two?

I wouldn’t see it as a demotion. Breakfast and “drivetime” are the two biggest shows a station can have. Sure, she’s lost her own lunchtime slot but she’ll be reaching a, much, bigger audience on the breakfast show.

ButtersSuki · 05-08-2020 12:18pm

One thing it probably will do is revive the almost extinct Newstalk Breakfast Show Thread I guess......

FGR · 05-08-2020 12:25pm

Wasn't the drivetime slot NT's way of being a little more controversial or, dare I say, slightly right of the extreme left wing approach of the station? George Hook and Ivan Yates always gave me that impression when they, even jokingly, would take on the status quo of things. Listening to them getting a rise out of guests used to often provide me great entertainment on the drive home.

That's what makes me warey of Kieran Cuddihy. In my opinion he's very similar in style to Chris Donoghue - is it too soft an approach? I would have liked to have seen Andrea Gilligan get the drivetime slot as she's far more down the middle and imo very good with current affairs.

hamburgham · 05-08-2020 12:32pm

FGR wrote: »

Wasn't the drivetime slot NT's way of being a little more controversial or, dare I say, slightly right of the extreme left wing approach of the station? George Hook and Ivan Yates always gave me that impression when they, even jokingly, would take on the status quo of things. Listening to them getting a rise out of guests used to often provide me great entertainment on the drive home.

That's what makes me warey of Kieran Cuddihy. In my opinion he's very similar in style to Chris Donoghue - is it too soft an approach? I would have liked to have seen Andrea Gilligan get the drivetime slot as she's far more down the middle and imo very good with current affairs.

Andrea is very likeable but a lightweight.
Don’t think Kieran is the total wet blanket that Chris was.

Azatadine · 05-08-2020 12:46pm

Demotion for Ciara Kelly.

PhilOssophy · 05-08-2020 12:49pm

I like Kieran too and think he is another Ivan in the making.
Where is Chris Donohue now? He was a bore in my view although he worked well with Ivan

neris · 05-08-2020 12:50pm

PhilOssophy wrote: »

I like Kieran too and think he is another Ivan in the making.
Where is Chris Donohue now? He was a bore in my view although he worked well with Ivan

Went off to work for Fine Gael.

ButtersSuki · 05-08-2020 12:51pm

PhilOssophy wrote: »

I like Kieran too and think he is another Ivan in the making.
Where is Chris Donohue now? He was a bore in my view although he worked well with Ivan

He's an advisor to Simon Coveney.

Loafing Oaf · 05-08-2020 1:03pm

EmmetSpiceland wrote: »

I wouldn’t see it as a demotion. Breakfast and “drivetime” are the two biggest shows a station can have.

This is what I think too. Lunchtime is a backwater in comparison. Don't think sharing top billing is necessarily a downgrade either; I'd say she'd be relieved that a 'politics wonk' like Shane will be covering some of the heavier stuff.

Tell me how · 05-08-2020 2:07pm

EmmetSpiceland wrote: »

https://www.newstalk.com/news/newstalk-new-weekday-schedule-1056236

“ Newstalk today revealed its new weekday schedule, which will start on 31st August.

Ciara Kelly, who has presented Newstalk’s Lunchtime Live for nearly three years, will join Shane Coleman as the new co-anchor on Newstalk Breakfast.

Kieran Cuddihy trades early mornings for evening drivetime as the new presenter of The Hard Shoulder and Andrea Gilligan is announced as the new host of Lunchtime Live.”

Not bad work by NT management there. Kieran Cuddihy is quite capable and is motivated to voice his own opinion as Ivan and George were albeit maybe will be more left of centre than right of centre.

Glad to see Andrea get her own major show, she put it in a lot of effort with her early morning show so is finally getting her chance in a major slot.

Ciara moving to Breakfast is curious, will be a lifestyle change as well for someone who still has school going children and I suspect herself and Shane might butt heads a bit but will see.

ballsymchugh · 05-08-2020 4:14pm

always found Andrea Gilligan more likable than Ciara Kelly when she stood in for her. As for Cuddihy on his own, those reports that Barry Whyte does where he makes you feel bad for getting up and going to work while someone else doesn't have a job will be a serious downer. I don't think Ivan paid too much attention to him, but have a feeling Cuddihy will.

8radio for me after 4 for now maybe.

Ahwell · 05-08-2020 5:05pm

Tell me how wrote: »

Ciara moving to Breakfast is curious, will be a lifestyle change as well for someone who still has school going children and I suspect herself and Shane might butt heads a bit but will see.

I think you're right. I remember them both being on a weekly slot on the Right Hook. They don't agree on a whole lot of things.

ButtersSuki · 05-08-2020 5:12pm

Ahwell wrote: »

I think you're right. I remember them both being on a weekly slot on the Right Hook. They don't agree on a whole lot of things.

Coleman would regularly take the proverbial out of Kelly when they co-hosted breakfast for a short time a few years ago (pre her getting the lunchtime show).

05-08-2020 7:30pm

ballsymchugh wrote: »

the hard shoulder is still going. maybe change the thread title?

Yeap, good idea. There's hardly any point having a new thread in the interval. —Mod

Whereisgalway · 05-08-2020 8:04pm

Have they said who’s getting the gig? Ciara Kelly is easter doing a phone in show, if she does go to mornings she’s have to rein in the rants a bit and up the professionalism but no better women

Mad_maxx · 05-08-2020 8:44pm

PhilOssophy wrote: »

I like Kieran too and think he is another Ivan in the making.
Where is Chris Donohue now? He was a bore in my view although he worked well with Ivan

cudlihy is as PC as they come, how might he be an "Ivan in the making "?

Faugheen · 05-08-2020 9:52pm

Mad_maxx wrote: »

cudlihy is as PC as they come, how might he be an "Ivan in the making "?

He’s really not. He has zero time for the unions from what I can see. That’s not very PC or ‘woke’ as other Americanised posters like to put it.

Is he left of centre? Sure, but he isn’t this Ultra-lefty that others like to portray him as here.

Elmo · 05-08-2020 9:59pm

Faugheen wrote: »

He’s really not. He has zero time for the unions from what I can see. That’s not very PC or ‘woke’ as other Americanised posters like to put it.

Is he left of centre? Sure, but he isn’t this Ultra-lefty that others like to portray him as here.

You know you can be Liberal and not like the Unions. Liberalism in the American content is The Democratic Party of the US and The Liberal Part of Canada. Left-wing in Canada at least is their NDP party.

The closest to a Liberal party in Ireland was the Progressive Democrates, who'd have be right wing/conservative on economics >>> To an extend this is what FG have become.

I wouldn't consider him Left of Centre if he has zero time for the Unions. He's Liberal/Neo-Liberal.

Mad_maxx · 05-08-2020 10:43pm

Faugheen wrote: »

He’s really not. He has zero time for the unions from what I can see. That’s not very PC or ‘woke’ as other Americanised posters like to put it.

Is he left of centre? Sure, but he isn’t this Ultra-lefty that others like to portray him as here.

I said he's as PC as they come, that's more to do with culture than economics

monstermag · 06-08-2020 12:17am

hamburgham wrote: »

I think it’s a demotion for Kelly and a promotion for Cuddihy. Who on earth would want to get up at 4.30 in the morning.I can’t see it working (I find her annoying) and would say she’s on the way out. I like Shane though and hope she doesn’t drag the show down. Doubt if he’s thrilled about it.

Cuddihy is smarter than Coleman,a little bit off beat sometimes and not as strait laced, a bit more personality.I like him and hope it works.

I don’t think Andrea knows much about anything but is likeable so can only be a lightweight show which is what it was anyway.Have yet to hear an original thought.

"Cuddihy is smarter than Coleman" I'm not sure about that, personally l think Coleman is a lot sharper and a much better interviewer,altogether more professional. Some people find him boring, but l like his wit, it's not forced, more genuine.
I wonder was he his decision to stay on breakfast or was he overlooked for the hard shoulder?

Genghis · 06-08-2020 12:40am

Overall, the new schedule is very weak, perhaps indicates Newstalk simply can't afford to attract talent and needs to make do with what they have.

Am a long term daily listener, for the first time I've nothing to tune in for at Breakfast or Drive. We are a long way from the days of Ivan and Chris in the morning, Hook in the evening.

Once PK retires they really will be weak.

Loafing Oaf · 06-08-2020 12:43am

monstermag wrote: »

I wonder was he his decision to stay on breakfast or was he overlooked for the hard shoulder?

I get the impression Shane was so grateful for them taking him on after the Tribune closed he's been willing to do whatever he's asked to ever since.

The Hard Shoulder with Ivan Yates (interregnum)

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