[Cancelled] Electric Picnic 2020 Discussion Only // No Ticket Sales / Requests

endainoz · 09-12-2019 5:58pm

Stillill42 wrote: »

Well look, most of us on here have our hats in the ring for next year's edition anyway. Body and Soul departing makes me want to weep, as did the departure of Other Voices last year. 70,000 bodies milling around Stradbally is also a scary thought. I'm only going the last 8 or 9 years, so I wasn't about for the halycon days of the mid to late noughties. I haven't been part of the whole wailing and gnashing of teeth about the Picnic's fall from grace since those early years. All I've ever experienced is bliss, happy times and wonderful music, the odd minor quibble notwithstanding. I'm under no illusions about Melvin's pursuit of filthy lucre but I believe it's in his interest to create the best festival he can. The changes last year were underdeveloped but promising. I'd still be pretty optimistic that they'll get this right. We'll know soon enough.

I'm pretty much on the same boat as yourself there, first picnic was 2010, and after a short break, have been to every one since 2013. I'm cautious of this but the usual infectious optimism of this thread has brought my mood up a bit. We all had some concerns about 2019s changes and I (and a few others here I think) had one of the best picnics I ever had! Bigger can be still great fun.

Free town is a huge area that will surely be utilized more in 2020. Would there be enough demand possibly for a bigish sized outdoor stage to accommodate somewhere between 8 to 10k people in free town? Might make a good use of all that space. I know they already have Terminus out there but still it could be an idea.

fourmations · 09-12-2019 6:22pm

endainoz wrote: »

I'm pretty much on the same boat as yourself there, first picnic was 2010, and after a short break, have been to every one since 2013. I'm cautious of this but the usual infectious optimism of this thread has brought my mood up a bit. We all had some concerns about 2019s changes and I (and a few others here I think) had one of the best picnics I ever had! Bigger can be still great fun.

Free town is a huge area that will surely be utilized more in 2020. Would there be enough demand possibly for a bigish sized outdoor stage to accommodate somewhere between 8 to 10k people in free town? Might make a good use of all that space. I know they already have Terminus out there but still it could be an idea.

thats why im here! i can safely say that the Ep boards threads
have made my EP's infinately more enjoyable, shucks, love you guys!

HarryTheSpider · 09-12-2019 6:30pm

To be honest, I thought Body and Soul was lacking something this year.

The footprint was a bit smaller with a bigger trailer park moving in on them.

The old bog cottage was missing and the Peace Pagoda was nowhere to be seen.

The new setup could end up with the exact same look and feel as before. The amphitheatre will always be there as will any of the bigger structures. I'm sure most of the tea and food tents will return and deal directly with EP rather than B&S.

With some good creative direction, moving Mindfield beside it and maybe even opening up a more direct route to The old Other Voices clearing and the track to Salty Dog/ Trenchtown/ Fishtown/ Freetown....

You never know, it might be even better.

Fingers crossed.

HarryTheSpider · 09-12-2019 7:17pm

Am I reading this correctly? Does this mean moving them?

I think I said it here before that Greencraft and the Global Green are a bit lost over the other side of the funfair and they should move them up to the old Oscar Wlde.

If you're listening Melvin, you can buy me a pint next year.

From Leinster Express

"In addition to this, Jerry Fish and his wonderful Electric Sideshow will become the centre-piece of another new area in the festival: following on from last year’s extraordinary arrival of Freetown, FishTown will be born!

"FishTown will host the extravagance and creativity of the wonderful Jerry Fish, situated adjacent to Freetown you’ll be able to lose yourselves in the delights of this brand new area. Together with Picnic favourites Trailer Park, Trenchtown and Salty Dog, as well as the ever-important Greencraft Village and Global Green Eco Village, you’ll need to save your energy to witness everything that’s on offer," they said.

Ferris_Bueller · 09-12-2019 7:29pm

Huge blow losing Body & Soul, as many others have said it was the hub of the festival for me and it was always somewhere to go when you didn't know where else to turn to. We won't know what effect it will have on the festival until September 2020 but hopefully they make a decent stab at replacing it. All they have to do is basically copy the template that has worked for the past 15 years and they can't go too far wrong really, but you would guess it will lost at least a bit of it's magic at a minimum.

The other changes could be taken whatever way you want them I suppose. Some ideas sound exciting, the area around FishTown and Freetown could be very good altogether as I really was impressed with Freetown last year. 70,000 people should mean more acts on the lineup and hopefully bigger acts too, but a concern there would be what does 'bigger' mean.

Depending on how the rejigged site looks, I wonder what it means for the main arena. If Jerry Fish, Body & Soul, Mindfield, Greencrafts areas are all gone or moved further out from the main arena, does that just leave things like Casa Bacardi, Heineken Sound Atlas, Logic etc to take over the main arena along with the main tents? Has there been any word on where the Trailer Park will go or will it be staying put?

Suckit · 09-12-2019 7:44pm

70,000 sounds a bit too much. But when you compare it to the likes of Glastonbury it doesn't sound that big at all. But would definitely expect more/bigger acts as mentioned above.

bodhrandude · 09-12-2019 8:13pm

I've got a feeling we may see the Haunt again, I think it might crop up in the Fishtown area, as Jerry Fish is a big fan of it. I asked him on his Facebook page and he admitted that he was a big fan of the place so fingers crossed folks.

Seathrun66 · 09-12-2019 8:18pm

HarryTheSpider wrote: »

Am I reading this correctly? Does this mean moving them?

I think I said it here before that Greencraft and the Global Green are a bit lost over the other side of the funfair and they should move them up to the old Oscar Wlde.

If you're listening Melvin, you can buy me a pint next year.

From Leinster Express

It's not clear but I'd guess that they're not moving them. FR are trying to distract attention away from the loss of B&S by highlighting the other areas that will still be there in 2020.

Seathrun66 · 09-12-2019 8:20pm

bodhrandude wrote: »

I've got a feeling we may see the Haunt again, I think it might crop up in the Fishtown area, as Jerry Fish is a big fan of it. I asked him on his Facebook page and he admitted that he was a big fan of the place so fingers crossed folks.

Is is B&S run, or just cadged a place at the edge of their area? And I think we'll be seeing it again. Fishtown is a good shout.

Poorside · 09-12-2019 10:12pm

bodhrandude wrote: »

I've got a feeling we may see the Haunt again, I think it might crop up in the Fishtown area, as Jerry Fish is a big fan of it. I asked him on his Facebook page and he admitted that he was a big fan of the place so fingers crossed folks.

An 'aul Dhisco in the Haunt curated by Jerry would be class.

nc6000 · 09-12-2019 10:19pm

I got my tickets in the post today.

Fatfrog · 10-12-2019 1:41am

HarryTheSpider wrote: »

To be honest, I thought Body and Soul was lacking something this year.

The footprint was a bit smaller with a bigger trailer park moving in on them.

The old bog cottage was missing and the Peace Pagoda was nowhere to be seen.

The new setup could end up with the exact same look and feel as before. The amphitheatre will always be there as will any of the bigger structures. I'm sure most of the tea and food tents will return and deal directly with EP rather than B&S.

With some good creative direction, moving Mindfield beside it and maybe even opening up a more direct route to The old Other Voices clearing and the track to Salty Dog/ Trenchtown/ Fishtown/ Freetown....

You never know, it might be even better.

Fingers crossed.

I thought it was just me! Despite attending year after year theres always something that catches my attention in b&s, but this year for the first time ever I just wasnt feeling it

The more I think about capacity, the more it scares the hell out of me!! 57K was this years capacity and I really felt it. To add 23K more is crazy! Basically 2005 festival attendance added on top of this years crowd.

To me the current layout is going to need to change drastically. I can see campervans moving across the road near the paintball entrance/where tour de picnic was.

Fatfrog · 10-12-2019 1:43am

Tame Impala announced a north American tour today, finishing early Aug.....

sydthebeat · 10-12-2019 8:51am

Fatfrog wrote: »

The more I think about capacity, the more it scares the hell out of me!! 57K was this years capacity and I really felt it. To add 23K more is crazy!.

Sorry to do this fatfrog but it's a 13k increase.... Not 23.

Wooderson · 10-12-2019 10:12am

Spare a thought for the local TDs and Hot Press journos that will have to venture outside the old Mindfield next year. Craythurrs.

Kepler21 · 10-12-2019 10:28am

Seathrun66 wrote: »

It's not clear but I'd guess that they're not moving them. FR are trying to distract attention away from the loss of B&S by highlighting the other areas that will still be there in 2020.

That's my reading of it as well. They've said explicitly that Mindfield will move into the B&S area, and that Fishtown will be in the Freetown/old Oscar Wilde area. The rest is "Look at this other great stuff we have".

PabloAndRoy · 10-12-2019 10:50am

How in God's name is Trenchtown still a thing?

Seathrun66 · 10-12-2019 10:58am

PabloAndRoy wrote: »

How in God's name is Trenchtown still a thing?

To dstract the Drug Squad?

rubick · 10-12-2019 10:59am

PabloAndRoy wrote: »

How in God's name is Trenchtown still a thing?

Was chatting to one of the Revelation Soundsystem heads at ATN, who have been at Trenchtown every year I have attended - they decided not to bother playing at EP from this year. Future not looking great for it. I've only ever dandered through it a few times over the years, or been at the main stage if there's been a bit of jungle in. Wasn't in the place last year at all.

I don't mind a bit of dub but I'm not the world's greatest reggae fan, would much prefer a dedicated drum 'n bass/jungle tent. Mike Skinner asked for one towards the end of The Streets set this year, so they'd need to get one installed for his next visit.

PabloAndRoy · 10-12-2019 10:59am

Seathrun66 wrote: »

To dstract the undercover Drug Squad?

Excelent theory ... Long live Trenchtown!

Seathrun66 · 10-12-2019 11:06am

Kepler21 wrote: »

That's my reading of it as well. They've said explicitly that Mindfield will move into the B&S area, and that Fishtown will be in the Freetown/old Oscar Wilde area. The rest is "Look at this other great stuff we have".

It's a good move for Minfield also. I always spend time there seeing writers, trad musicians or Hot Press interviews. None of which works with the main stage soundsystem in the background. Minefield also has nice cafes and a Stradbally food stall which will fit very nicely into the former B&S area.

It'll probably all work out well but I may also have to heed BD's advice and head to the B&S festival some year.

Seathrun66 · 10-12-2019 11:12am

Random question. What's the best kid-friendly fest in the country? One with decent music so Kaleidoscope wouldn't do it for me.

EP too big for me to take my toddler. He'd love it but it'd just be absurdly exhausting.

ATN traffic, toilets, campsite confusion means that's no good for now.

B&S seems like an older crowd and becoming more electronic fixated so not quite right.

The two that appeal are Stendhal Festival (which looks great in every respect) and Doolin Folk Festival which looks pretty chilled with very decent acts. Any feedback?

PabloAndRoy · 10-12-2019 11:30am

Seathrun66 wrote: »

Random question. What's the best kid-friendly fest in the country? One with decent music so Kaleidoscope wouldn't do it for me.

EP too big for me to take my toddler. He'd love it but it'd just be absurdly exhausting.

ATN traffic, toilets, campsite confusion means that's no good for now.

B&S seems like an older crowd and becoming more electronic fixated so not quite right.

The two that appeal are Stendhal Festival (which looks great in every respect) and Doolin Folk Festival which looks pretty chilled with very decent acts. Any feedback?

I don't have a toddler anymore but...

Vantastival was very decent last year... maybe not quite the level of music you would like, but definitely suitable for kids. The Saltwater one up in Westport is close enough to you and seems to have a decent lineup next year.

I wouldn't be put off by ATN 2019, it was great and there seemed to be a good area for the kids.

B&S is very child friendly. Probably the most suitable of all tbh.

I have only every brought our one to B&S and Vantastival and she loved both although she was about 8/9 at the time. She is at the in between age now (15) so only Vantastival is possible of the ones I go to.

Wooderson · 10-12-2019 11:31am

Seathrun66 wrote: »

Random question. What's the best kid-friendly fest in the country? One with decent music so Kaleidoscope wouldn't do it for me.

EP too big for me to take my toddler. He'd love it but it'd just be absurdly exhausting.

ATN traffic, toilets, campsite confusion means that's no good for now.

B&S seems like an older crowd and becoming more electronic fixated so not quite right.

The two that appeal are Stendhal Festival (which looks great in every respect) and Doolin Folk Festival which looks pretty chilled with very decent acts. Any feedback?

Have done Picnic with both kids since '14.

Its the gold-standard for me. Parking/ease of access/size, location, facilities (bathrooms, showers) of family camping/entry via kids field, lack of queues/cleanliness of bathrooms, general buzz and broad positivity from fellow festival goers.

ATN was a sh1tshow last year. Have done multiple Glastos but its a slog. Picnic is a gem for young families. Unpopular as they are on these forums.

PabloAndRoy · 10-12-2019 11:32am

Wooderson wrote: »

Picnic is a gem for young families. Unpopular as they are on these forums.

Down with this sort of thing!

Wooderson · 10-12-2019 11:39am

PabloAndRoy wrote: »

Down with this sort of thing!

haha razor sharp Pab.

endainoz · 10-12-2019 12:04pm

Seathrun66 wrote: »

Random question. What's the best kid-friendly fest in the country?

The two that appeal are Stendhal Festival (which looks great in every respect) and Doolin Folk Festival which looks pretty chilled with very decent acts. Any feedback?

The Doolin folk fest is always fantastic and plenty people bring their kids, though it can get a little wild at night time! It is worth noting that while it does have great acts, there is only two stages for music and they recently started an outdoor dj thing ran by will softly.

I have never been but always hear great things about vantastaval.

rubick · 10-12-2019 12:09pm

Sunflower Festival could be worth looking into, Seathrun.
I've not been myself but it's quite a small festival in Down with a lot of Family Camping facilities, coming up to its 10th Anniversary. I know a few heads that have went for quite a few of them, heard great things.
https://sunflowerfest.co.uk/early-bird/

Seathrun66 · 10-12-2019 12:13pm

PabloAndRoy wrote: »

I don't have a toddler anymore but...

Vantastival was very decent last year... maybe not quite the level of music you would like, but definitely suitable for kids. The Saltwater one up in Westport is close enough to you and seems to have a decent lineup next year.

I wouldn't be put off by ATN 2019, it was great and there seemed to be a good area for the kids.

B&S is very child friendly. Probably the most suitable of all tbh.

I have only every brought our one to B&S and Vantastival and she loved both although she was about 8/9 at the time. She is at the in between age now (15) so only Vantastival is possible of the ones I go to.

Excellent feedback. Had forgotten about Vantastival and had heard great feedback about it. I'll now reconsider B&S also but ATN too risky for now. If the issues on traffic aren't ironed out it'd be a disaster having a kid in the car for 8-10 hours.

Thanks again man.

Seathrun66 · 10-12-2019 12:20pm

Wooderson wrote: »

Have done Picnic with both kids since '14.

Its the gold-standard for me. Parking/ease of access/size, location, facilities (bathrooms, showers) of family camping/entry via kids field, lack of queues/cleanliness of bathrooms, general buzz and broad positivity from fellow festival goers.

ATN was a sh1tshow last year. Have done multiple Glastos but its a slog. Picnic is a gem for young families. Unpopular as they are on these forums.

May have to reconsider EP. But so much good music at the Picnic that it'd kill me to miss lots. Listening to the Strokes from my tent would be traumatic.

Whereas Vantastival/Stendhal, etc I'd be happy to wander about for the vibe and go to bed early.

Seathrun66 · 10-12-2019 12:25pm

rubick wrote: »

Sunflower Festival could be worth looking into, Seathrun.
I've not been myself but it's quite a small festival in Down with a lot of Family Camping facilities, coming up to its 10th Anniversary. I know a few heads that have went for quite a few of them, heard great things.
https://sunflowerfest.co.uk/early-bird/

Excellent Rubick. And how cheap are these smaller fests? They must barely scrape a profit.

Thanks for all the suggestions.

johnnyskeleton · 10-12-2019 1:08pm

Seathrun66 wrote: »

It'll probably all work out well but I may also have to heed BD's advice and head to the B&S festival some year.

Apart from the declining lineup each year, it's probably the best festival in Ireland. Usually a good weather weekend (the solstice and all), chilled out punters and security, a good mix of areas (e.g. you know if you want soulful guitar stuff go to the woodlands, dance music reckless in love/absolute, indie the tent and everything else the main stage, excellent undercard, plenty non-music/drinking stuff to do and as a result its very child friendly.

They do need to get a few decent headliners this year though.

Seathrun66 wrote: »

Random question. What's the best kid-friendly fest in the country? One with decent music so Kaleidoscope wouldn't do it for me.

Beatyard I'd say, if they get their (edit:premises sorted). Finishes at 10/10.30, loads of kids and stuff for them to do, loads of families, as someone here said a few years back its the most chilled out congregation outside of Sunday mass. Usually a great lineup. I hope they get a place to put it on next year.

Seathrun66 wrote: »

Excellent Rubick. And how cheap are these smaller fests? They must barely scrape a profit.

Sadly, most of them don't. They can often scrape by with grants from the council and pulling in favours from friends in the industry, bands etc. But insurance, security, toilets and electricity are all prohibitive. See the boards.ie festival thread!

Wooderson · 10-12-2019 2:19pm

Ive done beatyard with kids also. Yep, can vouch that its a straightforward one.

bodhrandude · 10-12-2019 3:27pm

rubick wrote: »

Sunflower Festival could be worth looking into, Seathrun.
I've not been myself but it's quite a small festival in Down with a lot of Family Camping facilities, coming up to its 10th Anniversary. I know a few heads that have went for quite a few of them, heard great things.
https://sunflowerfest.co.uk/early-bird/

Organised by the same folk who do Stendhal Festival, so both these festivals would be kinda like an Northern Irish Body&Soul, would love to try them myself. Scotland is also worth taking a look at Seath, Eden Festival is modelled on the boutique Body&Soulish style, I think some of the people who used to run the Wickerman festival are involved with Eden. Eden is about 5 - 7,000 capacity

http://edenfestival.co.uk/

Seathrun66 · 10-12-2019 4:25pm

bodhrandude wrote: »

Organised by the same folk who do Stendhal Festival, so both these festivals would be kinda like an Northern Irish Body&Soul, would love to try them myself. Scotland is also worth taking a look at Seath, Eden Festival is modelled on the boutique Body&Soulish style, I think some of the people who used to run the Wickerman festival are involved with Eden. Eden is about 5 - 7,000 capacity

http://edenfestival.co.uk/

That looks great but getting a toddler there and back would require tranquilisers for both of us. The more local the better.

Body & Soul would be the one if the kid and mother weren't away that week. Maybe 2021.

johnnyskeleton · 10-12-2019 4:26pm

Seathrun66 wrote: »

Body & Soul would be the one if the kid and mother weren't away that week. Maybe 2021.

I guess you'll just have to go solo so!

Seathrun66 · 10-12-2019 4:43pm

johnnyskeleton wrote: »

I guess you'll just have to go solo so!

Ha ha. Glastonbury, EP and a few gigs at Galway Arts Fest is my allowance for Summer 2020.

Stillill42 · 10-12-2019 4:50pm

The Frames having a 30th bash in June. If ever there was a time for them to hit Stradbally. I think it's being billed as a one off, alas.

10-12-2019 5:14pm

Stillill42 wrote: »

The Frames having a 30th bash in June. If ever there was a time for them to hit Stradbally. I think it's being billed as a one off, alas.

they might do the marquee actually....

Seathrun66 · 10-12-2019 5:15pm

Stillill42 wrote: »

The Frames having a 30th bash in June. If ever there was a time for them to hit Stradbally. I think it's being billed as a one off, alas.

Never a fan but I caught them at Damien Rice's stage at EP in 2006 and was impressed. They've done EP at least twice so must be in the running.

Stillill42 · 10-12-2019 5:23pm

Seathrun66 wrote: »

Never a fan but I caught them at Damien Rice's stage at EP in 2006 and was impressed. They've done EP at least twice so must be in the running.

Ah, I like 'em. I was at their 25th in the Iveagh Gardens and it was great. I know Glen grinds people's gears a bit but they have so many brilliant songs. Impossible to separate the Glen from the song, I guess that's why they're a bit marmite on these shores. I think they've a back catalogue to match any Irish band.

Stillill42 · 10-12-2019 5:25pm

Here's Glen advertising the gig.....

"There’s something about stepping back into the furious belly of this beast where the low bells chime around the parish, where time is swallowed and years slip by, this place where most of my hearing went in the sound of working it out from soaring angst to occasional pride into unmoored middle age. The songs grow too and change their meaning, till it all collapses together into the glorious bonfire that is The Frames…” says singer Glen Hansard on the news."

You can see where the problems arise......

sally cinnamon89 · 10-12-2019 6:04pm

Stillill42 wrote: »

Ah, I like 'em. I was at their 25th in the Iveagh Gardens and it was great. I know Glen grinds people's gears a bit but they have so many brilliant songs. Impossible to separate the Glen from the song, I guess that's why they're a bit marmite on these shores. I think they've a back catalogue to match any Irish band.

It's being promoted by Aiken - so if any festival appearance it will be ATN

MadYaker · 10-12-2019 7:00pm

scruff monkey wrote: »

he would drive 30,000 from the main stage, fleeing into the woods screaming banshee like whilst holding their hands to their bleeding ears as the last vestiges of taste and rhythm left their bodies.

(Sorry/not sorry, he’s got a few listenable tracks and the rest is just modem handshake wankology that his cult like fans worship with out question, he’s not the messiah, he’s just tone ****ing deaf)

Oh dear!

endainoz · 10-12-2019 7:01pm

sally cinnamon89 wrote: »

It's being promoted by Aiken - so if any festival appearance it will be ATN

Well goddamnit if that's true I'll have no choice. I don't believe the one off gig thing though. If this one sells well I'd say they'll surely add more.

endainoz · 10-12-2019 7:09pm

MadYaker wrote: »

Oh dear!

I'm a proud member of that cult since I heard set list as a teenager in 2003.

10-12-2019 7:20pm

endainoz wrote: »

I'm a proud member of that cult since I heard set list as a teenager in 2003.

Same although I wasn’t a teenager! I’d be certain they will be at the marquee too especially with it being the last year of it.

Fatfrog · 10-12-2019 8:40pm

sydthebeat wrote: »

Sorry to do this fatfrog but it's a 13k increase.... Not 23.

Whoops...70 not 80.

BullBlackNova · 10-12-2019 9:07pm

endainoz wrote: »

Well goddamnit if that's true I'll have no choice. I don't believe the one off gig thing though. If this one sells well I'd say they'll surely add more.

For the 25th anniversary, they did two Iveagh Gardens and one Marquee I think. Would have expected similar this time.

I'll definitely be hoping for Cork. They were excellent there last time.

the_gommes · 10-12-2019 11:55pm

Seathrun66 wrote: »

Random question. What's the best kid-friendly fest in the country? One with decent music so Kaleidoscope wouldn't do it for me.

EP too big for me to take my toddler. He'd love it but it'd just be absurdly exhausting.

ATN traffic, toilets, campsite confusion means that's no good for now.

B&S seems like an older crowd and becoming more electronic fixated so not quite right.

The two that appeal are Stendhal Festival (which looks great in every respect) and Doolin Folk Festival which looks pretty chilled with very decent acts. Any feedback?

I took my two kids (5 & 3) to Stendhal this year. We absolutely loved it & would recommend it highly. Beautiful setting, very well organised & a nice small site made it very manageable with kids. The weather was apocalyptic over that weekend which made it a real challenge to get around the site at times as the weekend went on but the efforts of the organisers to keep the show going really were unreal. There was tractor loads of fresh hay arriving to make paths through the mud all through the night.

The music is very Northern Ireland centric & there’s no massive headliners really but I seen plenty of good acts & there was loads for the kids to do throughout the days. It was our first festival as a family & the kids loved it. We’ve got a 2 month old as well now so going to limit ourselves to just a day trip to Stendhal this year but it really is a great wee festival. Cost, lack of traffic & a brilliant vibe on site all make it well worth considering.

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