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Relaxation of Restrictions, Part VII *Read OP For Mod Warnings*

  • 20-11-2020 7:23pm
    #1
    Necro
    Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 52,127 Mod ✭✭✭✭Necro


    So restrictions are at Level 5 presently. Will they be relaxed (ever!!)?

    Part I
    Part II
    Part III
    Part IV
    Part V
    Part VI

    All warnings and threadbans carry over. Please PM the mod issuing a threadban if you wish to discuss options for being allowed to post again

    Mod warnings
    Beasty wrote: »
    It looks like tensions in this thread have been rising

    Some general warnings to all:

    Remain civil. Everyone is entitled to their opinion. Just because it's the polar opposite of your own does not invalidate it. Anyone who is uncivil towards other users can expect a minimum of a threadban.

    Keep to the topic

    Do not present "opinion" as "fact"

    Do not believe all stats that are spouted. Usually figures presented in any official way are not only checked for inaccuracies, but will also have caveats and/or explanations of what was done to derive any conclusions reached. Stats though are not "facts" beyond the sample they represent. They can be used to draw conclusions over wider populations, but those conclusions are always subject to a margin of error

    If you throw up an example please explain what point you are making. For example "Look at Sweden" means nothing unless you say what you are looking at in connection with Sweden. Is it restrictions, is it deaths, is it infections?

    Hinting or implying that other users are re-regs is against the charter. It is strongly advised that you report posts and let the mods deal with it.

    Threadbans will follow if people cannot follow this simple instruction.

    Beasty wrote: »
    Another reminder - this thread is about restrictions and their relaxation

    General Covid discussion belongs in the current Covid thread (#XVII)

    Political discussion belongs in Current Affairs or Politics
    Necro wrote: »
    Mod:

    Mod actions can be discussed via PM if you like.

    On thread is not permitted.


    I will note what I said in the other thread this evening though:

    Calling people names such as Dr. Death or Saint Tony etc. only weaken your argument, it's the lowest form of wit.

    Keep it civil and on topic and you can discuss the restrictions or your opposition to them as much as you like

    Stop bringing the cervical cancer discussion into this thread, if you want to discuss it, start a thread on it elsewhere on the site.


    Necro wrote: »
    Mod:


    I'm not going to post another warning on this - stop bringing up the cervical cancer issues in this thread.

    It's in the OP not to discuss the issue, if you want to discuss it, go to another forum and start a thread on it, it is not Covid related.

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Comments

  • #2
    froog
    Registered Users Posts: 3,784 ✭✭✭froog


    blurst

    err tee ee is de voirus


  • #3
    CalamariFritti
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,656 ✭✭✭CalamariFritti


    :)


  • #4
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    Just saw david mcCullagh on rte...father jack style..immmmmm ssoooooo sooooooo soooooryyyyy


  • #5
    Lundstram
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,129 ✭✭✭Lundstram


    Apologising for getting into a photograph. The levels of hysteria is just out of control at this stage.


  • #6
    CruelSummer
    Registered Users Posts: 2,282 ✭✭✭CruelSummer


    https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2020/1120/1179441-nursing-homes/

    NPHET and the Nutty Professor group (Scally, McConkey, Ryan, Staines, Killeen) are very quick to criticise the public for ‘not adhering to public health advice’. Yet they say so little on nursing homes and their continued mismanagement.

    Saw McCullagh’s apology on the news, he’s sorry he got caught i’m sure. Media hounded so many from their jobs for doing something similar which was a complete over reaction. They’ve also spent much of their time terrifying people over 65 who surely must question how all are still alive and kicking after breaking the coveted Covid rules.
    Pity no one can muster up a photo of George Lee at this ‘impromptu’ gathering while the social media outrage continues...


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  • #7
    Ginger n Lemon
    Registered Users Posts: 3,447 ✭✭✭Ginger n Lemon


    Covid-19: Micheál Martin 'disappointed' by images from RTÉ retirement bash

    "I think when people heard about the vaccines and the downward trajectory, people felt that we were out the gap here, so as to speak.

    "I hope that between now and December 1, I hope we can just double down."

    https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/arid-40086500.html

    :rolleyes:

    Ever feel like its groundhog day? Same sh*t different day?

    M Martin looks quite silly with that mask on as well. Smirking as he is on his 200,000 + a year salary spending hours (days?) chatting with newspapers "I hope Xmas can go ahead" ... seriously


  • #8
    road_high
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,474 ✭✭✭✭road_high


    Lundstram wrote: »
    Apologising for getting into a photograph. The levels of hysteria is just out of control at this stage.

    I know but too fcukin good for them- RTE have been the Nphet puppet show since March. Delighted to see their self righteousness being taken down a peg or two. Just a pity that Lee prick couldn’t have been snapped too


  • #9
    Zebra3
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,946 ✭✭✭✭Zebra3


    Country has completely gone.

    I really thought the hysteria would've ended by now.

    Seems like some are addicted to it.


  • #10
    road_high
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,474 ✭✭✭✭road_high


    Zebra3 wrote: »
    Country has completely gone.

    I really thought the hysteria would've ended by now.

    Seems like some are addicted to it.

    It’s actually gotten worse with some!


  • #11
    PTH2009
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 38,884 ✭✭✭✭PTH2009


    Jesus this is getting too much and ridiculous. It was a few seconds of a photograph along with a small gathering and they have been publicly humiliated for it.

    NPHET should be told where to go at this stage. Were not going lower than Level 3 now cause of this


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  • #12
    road_high
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,474 ✭✭✭✭road_high


    PTH2009 wrote: »
    Jesus this is getting too much and ridiculous. It was a few seconds of a photograph along with a small gathering and they have been publicly humiliated for it.

    NPHET should be told where to go at this stage. Were not going lower than Level 3 now cause of this

    It is but too good for Rte and absolutely delighted it was them- couldn’t happen to a better bunch of hypocritical virtue signallers.
    Now, if only more of the lockdown glitterati could be caught out on their hypocrisy then even better


  • #13
    Necro
    Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 52,127 Mod ✭✭✭✭Necro


    Mod:

    John_Rambo's threadban lifted


  • #14
    road_high
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,474 ✭✭✭✭road_high


    I did something a tad constructive today - I pinged off a load of emails today to local Carlow/Kilkenny TDs, offices of Taoiseach and Tanaiste outlining all my concerns surrounding the outrageous behaviors of Holohan, Nphet and grave concerns for the economy.
    It’s a tiny step but it felt cathartic and at least let them be under no illusions some of us are fuming and they are going to feel it soon- if more people join in and do the same it would be great.


  • #15
    John_Rambo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,872 ✭✭✭John_Rambo


    I'm working on photography projects at the moment and am paranoid about compromising my clients regarding social distancing. Even when I'm posting up old photos I have to tag them with a "pre-covid shot".

    Can't believe RTE of all people took their eye off the ball on this one. It's not like they don't watch the news.


  • #16
    road_high
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,474 ✭✭✭✭road_high


    John_Rambo wrote: »
    I'm working on photography projects at the moment and am paranoid about compromising my clients regarding social distancing. Even when I'm posting up old photos I have to tag them with a "pre-covid shot".

    Can't believe RTE of all people took their eye off the ball on this one. It's not like they don't watch the news.

    It’s just another in a long line of “Let them eat cake” moments from our alleged social betters and Covid moral guardians


  • #17
    John_Rambo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,872 ✭✭✭John_Rambo


    road_high wrote: »
    It’s just another in a long line of “Let them eat cake” moments from our alleged social betters and Covid moral guardians

    Fair enough, but I think we're all a bit guilty of looking down at people flaunting rules and bending them slightly ourselves.


  • #18
    bloopy
    Registered Users Posts: 1,310 ✭✭✭bloopy


    Lundstram wrote: »
    Apologising for getting into a photograph. The levels of hysteria is just out of control at this stage.

    I was thinking about this today. We can now officially start calling all this a hysteria, yes?


  • #19
    polesheep
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,950 ✭✭✭polesheep


    PTH2009 wrote: »
    Jesus this is getting too much and ridiculous. It was a few seconds of a photograph along with a small gathering and they have been publicly humiliated for it.

    They should be humiliated for their hypocrisy

    NPHET should be told where to go at this stage. Were not going lower than Level 3 now cause of this

    Just live your life as full as you can and pay no attention to levels. I'm lucky, I rarely go to pubs and I hate shopping, so my life has been relatively normal throughout. I give no thought to levels and go where I please, including a holiday in Italy. Put Holohan and NPHET out of your mind. Strip to the waist and drink cans in the Park.


  • #20
    funnydoggy
    Registered Users Posts: 2,065 ✭✭✭funnydoggy


    polesheep wrote: »
    Just live your life as full as you can and pay no attention to levels. I'm lucky, I rarely go to pubs and I hate shopping, so my life has been relatively normal throughout. I give no thought to levels and go where I please, including a holiday in Italy. Put Holohan and NPHET out of your mind. Strip to the waist and drink cans in the Park.


    Hope you had a good time, sounds lovely :):)


  • #21
    [Deleted User]
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    road_high wrote: »
    It’s just another in a long line of “Let them eat cake” moments from our alleged social betters and Covid moral guardians

    Trust is diminishing in RTÉ, which can only be a positive. They have less influence on the public mood, there will be open contravention of arbitrary boundaries in and around Christmas which I applaud. Another thing, pay no heed to the hired hands around here with their "must" and "have to" vernacular. You can spot these chumps at a distance, well over 5km on occasion :cool:


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  • #22
    risteard7
    Registered Users Posts: 879 ✭✭✭risteard7


    Is there anyway way I can get a vaccine asap for the lunatic I'm living with? What will the backlog be like? I cant listen to it anymore.

    The door handles are cleaned before and after I come home, plastic cutlery left out.


  • #23
    Cork2021
    Registered Users Posts: 2,309 ✭✭✭Cork2021


    Make what you want from this.... seems positive to me but it could all be smoke and mirrors

    https://twitter.com/seandefoe/status/1329825391155027969?s=21


  • #24
    FintanMcluskey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,465 ✭✭✭FintanMcluskey


    risteard7 wrote: »
    Is there anyway way I can get a vaccine asap for the lunatic I'm living with? What will the backlog be like? I cant listen to it anymore.

    The door handles are cleaned before and after I come home, plastic cutlery left out.

    Haha have a close family member on edge to.

    I’m not his best source of comfort


  • #25
    Penfailed
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,644 ✭✭✭Penfailed


    Cork2021 wrote: »
    Make what you want from this.... seems positive to me but it could all be smoke and mirrors

    https://twitter.com/seandefoe/status/1329825391155027969?s=21

    We're all aware of the Toy Show...WTF?!

    Gigs '24 - Ben Ottewell and Ian Ball (Gomez), The Jesus & Mary Chain, The Smashing Pumpkins/Weezer, Pearl Jam, Green Day, Stendhal Festival, Forest Fest, Electric Picnic, Pixies, Ride, Therapy?, Public Service Broadcasting, IDLES(x2), And So I Watch You From Afar



  • #26
    risteard7
    Registered Users Posts: 879 ✭✭✭risteard7


    FintanMcluskey wrote: »
    Haha have a close family member on edge to.

    I’m not his best source of comfort

    Ah it's unbelievable the s***e I have to put up with. I said lock yourself in the room, put on RTE, pull the curtains. Get the shopping delivered if that's what you want but I'm continuing with my life.


  • #27
    road_high
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,474 ✭✭✭✭road_high


    risteard7 wrote: »
    Is there anyway way I can get a vaccine asap for the lunatic I'm living with? What will the backlog be like? I cant listen to it anymore.

    The door handles are cleaned before and after I come home, plastic cutlery left out.

    Is this just a house share or a family member? That’s OCD level behavior. Try ignore it all if possible and continue as normal yourself


  • #28
    risteard7
    Registered Users Posts: 879 ✭✭✭risteard7


    Just a quick story, I had to laugh.

    I went to the Local council office a few days ago to Tax the car. I'd normally do it online but I said while passing I'd call in and just do it.

    A security guard outside smoking a fag while I was parking the car, I approached the door and he stubs the fag and stands in front of me frantically putting his mask over his snout.

    "Sorry were closed, it's Level 5" he was a bit smart and said "didn't you hear about the Covid virus" in a thick Dublin accent. Over the phone or online only he said.

    I said fair enough but to be honest the fags will kill you long before Covid will, now good luck


  • #29
    Captain_Crash
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,814 ✭✭✭Captain_Crash


    risteard7 wrote: »
    Just a quick story, I had to laugh.

    I went to the Local council office a few days ago to Tax the car. I'd normally do it online but I said while passing I'd call in and just do it.

    A security guard outside smoking a fag while I was parking the car, I approached the door and he stubs the fag and stands in front of me frantically putting his mask over his snout.

    "Sorry were closed, it's Level 5" he was a bit smart and said "didn't you hear about the Covid virus" in a thick Dublin accent. Over the phone or online only he said.

    I said fair enough but to be honest the fags will kill you long before Covid will, now good luck

    I drive past Holles St a couple of times a week and every time without fail there’s a small group of pregnant women in thier dressing gowns with masks down around their chin having a fag... sometimes you see a nurse standing with them on a break herself! Couldn’t make it up lol


  • #30
    normanoffside
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,131 ✭✭✭✭normanoffside


    How concerned is Tony today?


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  • #31
    risteard7
    Registered Users Posts: 879 ✭✭✭risteard7


    normanoffside wrote: »
    How concerned is Tony today?


    JBigJIB.png

    Put him on the PUP and we'll ask him how concerned or worried he is then


  • #32
    road_high
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,474 ✭✭✭✭road_high


    normanoffside wrote: »
    How concerned is Tony today?


    JBigJIB.png

    Well starting to think he might be actually concerned now- there’s a lot of knives out out for him. Brief chat with a FG td earlier and the frustration with St Tony and co is palpable. Parliamentary party next week solely on Covid and lifting of restrictions


  • #33
    normanoffside
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,131 ✭✭✭✭normanoffside


    risteard7 wrote: »
    Put him on the PUP and we'll ask him how concerned or worried he is then

    Which colour describes his concern level?

    concern.png


  • #34
    copeyhagen
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,528 ✭✭✭copeyhagen


    all of the above, but its the publics fault


  • #35
    FrStone
    Registered Users Posts: 720 ✭✭✭FrStone


    Crowds drinking on the street in Cork city again tonight by the court house I believe. Looks to be drink from the off licence rather than takeaway from the pubs.

    It isn't my scene, but fair play to them. The appetite for draconian restrictions is passing in Ireland.

    The people are finally prioritising living their lives rather than hiding away from a disease that thankfully is alot less deadly than originally imagined.

    Talking to friends who are teachers, it appears as if alot of families are back living their lives. Children visiting their friends houses and trips we'll outside the 5k.


  • #36
    zf0wqv9oemuasj
    Closed Accounts Posts: 117 ✭✭zf0wqv9oemuasj


    Do folks not understand that this is what is causing restrictions and causing them to be extended? Applauding these behaviours is essentially voting for continue restrictions. We all want to get back to normal asap and the way to do that is respect the restrictions.


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  • #37
    FrStone
    Registered Users Posts: 720 ✭✭✭FrStone


    Elianna Miniature Planet wrote: »
    Do folks not understand that this is what is causing restrictions and causing them to be extended? Applauding these behaviours is essentially voting for continue restrictions. We all want to get back to normal asap and the way to do that is respect the restrictions.

    You've been around long enough to know that many of us who want restrictions reduced want them to be reduced as we believe the current restrictions are not proportionate to the risk.

    The widespread lack of adherence to the current restrictions shows that a large amount of the population now believe the same.

    The Tony can bring in as much restrictions as he wants at this stage - compliance will be low.


  • #38
    Cork2021
    Registered Users Posts: 2,309 ✭✭✭Cork2021


    Elianna Miniature Planet wrote: »
    Do folks not understand that this is what is causing restrictions and causing them to be extended? Applauding these behaviours is essentially voting for continue restrictions. We all want to get back to normal asap and the way to do that is respect the restrictions.

    Sorry


  • #39
    SusieBlue
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,029 ✭✭✭SusieBlue


    Elianna Miniature Planet wrote: »
    Do folks not understand that this is what is causing restrictions and causing them to be extended? Applauding these behaviours is essentially voting for continue restrictions. We all want to get back to normal asap and the way to do that is respect the restrictions.

    The mismanagement of nursing homes, hospitals and healthcare staff is what’s causing the lockdowns and restrictions.
    Joe Soap is not responsible for the hundreds (thousands?) of cases coming out of nursing homes, or the volume the patients in our hospitals getting infected while availing of treatment for other health issues because they weren’t adequately protected.
    It’s not our fault that healthcare workers are getting exposed to the virus and having to self isolate.
    Nor are we responsible for the cumulative deaths occurring in all of these settings.

    Unfortunately no amount of hiding under our beds is going to help with this, the only thing that will help is acknowledgment of this fact and a plan of action (other than lockdown) from the government but I think we’ll be waiting for that.


  • #40
    copeyhagen
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,528 ✭✭✭copeyhagen


    Elianna Miniature Planet wrote: »
    Do folks not understand that this is what is causing restrictions and causing them to be extended? Applauding these behaviours is essentially voting for continue restrictions. We all want to get back to normal asap and the way to do that is respect the restrictions.

    youre dead right, look at all the people hospitalised from having a few beers in Dublin and Cork last week.. oh wait...

    but lets blame them for the virus and the lockdown anyway. makes zero sense


  • #41
    normanoffside
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,131 ✭✭✭✭normanoffside


    The thing that really annoys me about the restrictions is the complete distrust of officialdom in the public.

    For example, this whole thing about waiting to be told if it's safe to go home for Christmas, or if it's safe to visit elderly family members.

    I am completely anti-restrictions but even if I am told by NPHET or the government that I am 'allowed' to visit my elderly parents for Christmas, I will still make my own judgement.
    I will consult with my parents and my siblings, ask then what they want and make a judgement based on that consensus. I'll be paying no heed to what I'm told by NPHET or the government..

    Even if NPHET tells me it's ok to stay with my parents for Christmas , I might well decide not to stay with them based on my own families analysis or decide to only visit them in the way we ourselves deem safe.

    This is why I despise Tony and NPHET so much, he basically thinks he is a genius and everyone else is a cretin. He thinks everyone is incapable of thinking for themselves and he feels the need to give them black and white orders.


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  • #42
    Cork2021
    Registered Users Posts: 2,309 ✭✭✭Cork2021


    This can’t be happening surely? We have with or from but not having it at all is a different story

    https://twitter.com/emmasgarrett/status/1329905351249055747?s=21


  • #43
    road_high
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,474 ✭✭✭✭road_high


    Elianna Miniature Planet wrote: »
    Do folks not understand that this is what is causing restrictions and causing them to be extended? Applauding these behaviours is essentially voting for continue restrictions. We all want to get back to normal asap and the way to do that is respect the restrictions.

    That’s not surprising and after 9 months of this if you haven’t grasped it yet then I don’t think I we can do anymore to explain it to you.


  • #44
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    Elianna Miniature Planet wrote: »
    Do folks not understand that this is what is causing restrictions and causing them to be extended? Applauding these behaviours is essentially voting for continue restrictions. We all want to get back to normal asap and the way to do that is respect the restrictions.

    what's your normal?? getting out the brasso and the family silver, then counting your gold coins from you savings earned from your ebay sales..
    give over will ye, people are bored with your reactionary three liners! you're like one of those provocative callers who rings into the Adrian Kennedy phone show to rant while his cocoa is burning on the stove.. two rooms down from Adrian himself..Back to your joseph fritzl version of normal more like..


  • #45
    Dr. Bre
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,741 ✭✭✭Dr. Bre


    Stay safe . Stay at home


  • #46
    polesheep
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,950 ✭✭✭polesheep


    A good report on BBC Newsnight just now on how unbalanced this whole thing has been. Scientists and doctors silenced and a focus solely on Covid to the detriment of other parts of society and healthcare. Worth watching. It's always amazing to watch the penny dropping.


  • #47
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    polesheep wrote: »
    A good report on BBC Newsnight just now on how unbalanced this whole thing has been. Scientists and doctors silenced and a focus solely on Covid to the detriment of other parts of society and healthcare. Worth watching. It's always amazing to watch the penny dropping.

    sure even the dregs and peddlers of fear are now starting to squeal!!

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/home/index.html


  • #48
    polesheep
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,950 ✭✭✭polesheep


    rusty cole wrote: »
    sure even the dregs and peddlers of fear are now starting to squeal!!

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/home/index.html

    I've been saying for a while now that the herd has moved on and it's been laughable to read the reactions from those who believe that if they insist that everyone is following restrictions then that will be the reality. Life is as different now on both sides of the curtain as it was during the cold war. (Different curtain, of course)


  • #49
    Gervais08
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,612 ✭✭✭Gervais08


    SusieBlue wrote: »
    The mismanagement of nursing homes, hospitals and healthcare staff is what’s causing the lockdowns and restrictions.
    Joe Soap is not responsible for the hundreds (thousands?) of cases coming out of nursing homes, or the volume of patients in our hospitals getting infected while availing of treatment for other health issues because they weren’t adequately protected.
    It’s not our fault that healthcare workers are getting exposed to the virus and having to self isolate.
    Nor are we responsible for the cumulative deaths occurring in all of these settings.

    Unfortunately no amount of hiding under our beds is going to help with this, the only thing that will help is acknowledgment of this fact and a plan of action (other than lockdown) from the government but I think we’ll be waiting for that.

    My father’s nursing home we’re responsible for 90% of the cases in our entire county one week.

    We did everything right and they let that virus in which killed him and four other residents.

    And they blame pubs and people going the shops ???,


  • #50
    SNNUS
    Registered Users Posts: 768 ✭✭✭SNNUS


    Elianna Miniature Planet wrote: »
    Do folks not understand that this is what is causing restrictions and causing them to be extended? Applauding these behaviours is essentially voting for continue restrictions. We all want to get back to normal asap and the way to do that is respect the restrictions.

    On a level between 1 and Tony Holohan, how concerned are you?


  • #51
    SusieBlue
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,029 ✭✭✭SusieBlue


    Gervais08 wrote: »
    My father’s nursing home we’re responsible for 90% of the cases in our entire county one week.

    We did everything right and they let that virus in which killed him and four other residents.

    And they blame pubs and people going the shops ???,

    There is just no excuse for that, it’s unacceptable. The government had 9 months to get their house in order and they have utterly failed.
    We are apparently doing all these lockdowns and restrictions to protect the vulnerable and elderly but we aren’t protecting them at all from what I can see.
    We have upheld our end of the bargain, but they haven’t delivered what they promised.

    The virus is completely out of control in nursing homes and instead of directing effort and attention to that area, Dr Death is instead ‘increasingly concerned’ about young people drinking flat pints outdoors on a bleak wet winter night and wanted to rush in yet another piece of emergency legislation to legally put a stop to it.
    Meanwhile our elderly are being completely neglected and let down by the system, and it’s actually scandalous.

    The radio silence from the media on this matter is speaking volumes too. The only slight consolation is that sooner or later they will be held accountable for this.


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