Relaxation of Restrictions, Part VII *Read OP For Mod Warnings*

froog

froog wrote: »

If you can't even put up with the mildest of emergencies like covid, constantly whining about restrictions, how on earth are you going to cope with something bigger? The lack of self awareness here is absolutely staggering.

What a truly bizarre post...

You’ve just admitted that Covid is mild despite the fact that all your posts say it is a deadly virus and over 10000 would be dead in Ireland without restrictions.

What changed your mind in the end?

What emergency do you think will happen that will force business to close as much as this year?

AssetBacked2

[Deleted User] wrote: »

What a truly bizarre post...

You’ve just admitted that Covid is mild despite the fact that all your posts say it is a deadly virus and over 10000 would be dead in Ireland without restrictions.

What changed your mind in the end?

What emergency do you think will happen that will force business to close as much as this year?

You'll find big dollops of hypocrisy in the post history of doomers, it seems to be part and parcel of their hysteria.

thebiglad

rovers_runner wrote: »

Looking at the NFL game in Jacksonville just now shows how distancing can be done in large stadiums.
It's a sickner the intercounty panels can't even bring all members to the matches.

Yes, been fans at many NFL for weeks now - however I heard a good piece on Talksport this week talking about fans back in UK stadiums and the issues are not necessarily the spacing out in stadiums.

It's also about people getting to the stadiums and all the congregating in the vicinity which would ensue.

While watching the NFL with fans in situ, you may have heard that Denver will have no fans after this week, not sure if/when others will follow but apparently (I don't know the further detail) but it was not a success for Denver.

https://denver.cbslocal.com/2020/11/20/denver-broncos-fans-covid-coronavirus/

Be interesting as well over the next couple of weeks to see the impact of US Thanksgiving - may be more state or city lockdowns which will reduce the attendances.

https://www.thejournal.ie/covid-19-christmas-5275465-Nov2020/

Minister of State, Pippa Hackett:

"There is no point indicating to people we are going to open up for two weeks at Christmas because that is just a free for all.
As difficult as it is now to get people to adhere to the regulations, a free-for-all two-week holiday at Christmas, that will be lockdown after Christmas."


The gall of Hackett, pushing such alarmist rhetoric. Of course she has a six-figure cushion to sit back on, wouldn't feel so emboldened if she was collecting PUP next week. We're not unthinking animals who are incapable of exercising good judgment. Those of us forced out of employment are not feeling very receptive to patronising rhetoric.

AssetBacked2

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2020/nov/22/sunak-set-to-freeze-pay-for-public-sector-workers-in-england

Public sector pay freeze likely to be brought in in the UK. Sunak saying it was “entirely reasonable” to consider pay policy in the context of the Covid-hit economy.

I think it is entirely reasonable our own government will look at similar cost saving measures. It's a pity they haven't already considered it so we might see a bit more pushback in the civil and public sectors for economic lockdowns.

Rrrrrr2

[Deleted User] wrote: »

https://www.thejournal.ie/covid-19-christmas-5275465-Nov2020/

Minister of State, Pippa Hackett:

"There is no point indicating to people we are going to open up for two weeks at Christmas because that is just a free for all.
As difficult as it is now to get people to adhere to the regulations, a free-for-all two-week holiday at Christmas, that will be lockdown after Christmas."


The gall of Hackett, pushing such alarmist rhetoric. Of course she has a six-figure cushion to sit back on, wouldn't feel so emboldened if she was collecting PUP next week. We're not unthinking animals who are incapable of exercising good judgment. Those of us forced out of employment are not feeling very receptive to patronising rhetoric.

Kids in private fee paying school (Kilkenny College)- check
Still being paid full public sector salary- check
Lives on organic farm in rural Offaly- check
Member of Green Party- check

So you can see exactly how and where this all is coming from. Smug virtue signallers like Pippa inhabit a different planet.

rovers_runner

thebiglad wrote: »

Yes, been fans at many NFL for weeks now - however I heard a good piece on Talksport this week talking about fans back in UK stadiums and the issues are not necessarily the spacing out in stadiums.

It's also about people getting to the stadiums and all the congregating in the vicinity which would ensue.

While watching the NFL with fans in situ, you may have heard that Denver will have no fans after this week, not sure if/when others will follow but apparently (I don't know the further detail) but it was not a success for Denver.

https://denver.cbslocal.com/2020/11/20/denver-broncos-fans-covid-coronavirus/

Be interesting as well over the next couple of weeks to see the impact of US Thanksgiving - may be more state or city lockdowns which will reduce the attendances.

Seems to be more of a cases in the area based decision.
Florida does seem to be an outlier, not sure it that's a climate based call or just more Liberal law makers..

The UK a big problem considering most stadiums have bottlenecks for commutes and access.
Old Trafford, Emirates, I've noticed first hand. The likes of Goodison Park is an example of one with more access routes.

BeefeaterHat

Rrrrrr2 wrote: »

Kids in private fee paying school (Kilkenny College)- check
Still being paid full public sector salary- check
Lives on organic farm in rural Offaly- check
Member of Green Party- check

So you can see exactly how and where this all is coming from. Smug virtue signallers like Pippa inhabit a different planet.

This is what happens when you vote for the green party. You get what you pay for.

Rrrrrr2

BeefeaterHat wrote: »

This is what happens when you vote for the green party. You get what you pay for.

Indeed. It sums them up tbh

Mean Laqueefa

suicide_circus wrote: »

You'll be on RTE news if they get wind of your disgraceful granny killing ways

I got stopped jumping over the fence maybe 3-4months ago to the course by gardai, usual questions , when i questioned why i cant play i was told im making the course lose money and its a hinder to the state and adverse to restrictions.


This was around one week after golfgate, i asked if they investigate all golf matter at the moment at which at that point i was asked to empty my pockets backpack and everything else.


Manager of the course was pissed off, gardai i spoke to today asked for a copy of my key so he dont have to jump himself.


Go out enjoy yourselves

Zebra3

AssetBacked2 wrote: »

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2020/nov/22/sunak-set-to-freeze-pay-for-public-sector-workers-in-england

Public sector pay freeze likely to be brought in in the UK. Sunak saying it was “entirely reasonable” to consider pay policy in the context of the Covid-hit economy.

I think it is entirely reasonable our own government will look at similar cost saving measures. It's a pity they haven't already considered it so we might see a bit more pushback in the civil and public sectors for economic lockdowns.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/further-payments-for-high-earning-public-service-staff-to-cost-42m-1.4362781

About 340,000 staff across the public service will receive pay increases of 2 per cent from the beginning of October.

While the state is hemorrhaging cash, it's been handing out pay rises.

We need tax increases and public service pay cuts now for people to cop on and realise that this all has to be paid for.

Rrrrrr2

Zebra3 wrote: »

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/further-payments-for-high-earning-public-service-staff-to-cost-42m-1.4362781



While the state is hemorrhaging cash, it's been handing out pay rises.

We need tax increases and public service pay cuts now for people to cop on and realise that this all has to be paid for.

Tbh I was pretty shocked but not surprised with the stuff McGrath was coming out with the other day. Definitely more austerity on the way

Deleted User

Deleted User wrote: »

https://www.thejournal.ie/covid-19-christmas-5275465-Nov2020/

Minister of State, Pippa Hackett:

"There is no point indicating to people we are going to open up for two weeks at Christmas because that is just a free for all.
As difficult as it is now to get people to adhere to the regulations, a free-for-all two-week holiday at Christmas, that will be lockdown after Christmas."


The gall of Hackett, pushing such alarmist rhetoric. Of course she has a six-figure cushion to sit back on, wouldn't feel so emboldened if she was collecting PUP next week. We're not unthinking animals who are incapable of exercising good judgment. Those of us forced out of employment are not feeling very receptive to patronising rhetoric.

Shes one of the super junior ministers too, no such thing as meritocracy in govt buildings

Mr. Karate

Zebra3 wrote: »

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/further-payments-for-high-earning-public-service-staff-to-cost-42m-1.4362781



While the state is hemorrhaging cash, it's been handing out pay rises.

We need tax increases and public service pay cuts now for people to cop on and realise that this all has to be paid for.

There's less corruption in Venezuela than there is here.

Rrrrrr2

Getting it in the neck on twitter. And rightly so
https://twitter.com/maryeregan/status/1330489377370365953?s=21

hmmm

Good news, the vaccines are getting closer. Reports that the UK may approve the Pfizer vaccine by the end of the week. There's estimates that something like 70% will be needed for herd immunity, but even at a rate lower than that we should be seeing significant impacts in terms of reducing numbers in hospital.

https://twitter.com/BNODesk/status/1330607289699610627

BeefeaterHat

hmmm wrote: »

Good news, the vaccines are getting closer. Reports that the UK may approve the Pfizer vaccine by the end of the week. There's estimates that something like 70% will be needed for herd immunity, but even at a rate lower than that we should be seeing significant impacts in terms of reducing numbers in hospital.

https://twitter.com/BNODesk/status/1330607289699610627

Brilliant news but I can't wait for our shower here to completely **** up. I'll call it now, we'll still be under some form of restrictions while the rest of Europe are opening up.

SusieBlue

Just when I thought people were starting to see a bit of sense, the scenes in Cork last night have caused a resurgence of complete hysterics in some people.

Despite the fact that the statement from the Gardaí this morning confirmed that the issues last night were from one isolated incident in which a drugs arrest got out of hand, and that 99.9% of the public in attendance were perfectly behaved and compliant and were just enjoying the Christmas lights with their families and friends, the majority of the comments under the article on FB were borderline totalitarian.

There were calls for water cannons, rubber bullets and tear gas (!!!) to be used on people minding their own business enjoying the lights, and access to medical care to be removed for life from anyone in attendance.
There were also suggestions that anyone of college age should be expelled from their course and denied any financial assistance from social welfare afterwards.

One comment which got quite a lot of likes wants a 9pm curfew put in place and a level 7 lockdown until the 24th of January, at which time we could celebrate a delayed Christmas.
This level 7 would involve schools, airports and the boarders being closed and full closure of all industries, meaning you wouldn’t even be allowed to walk your dog or leave the house to exercise and the army would deliver food & medicine direct to our doors.
Anyone caught outdoors during this level 7 lockdown would get 5 years in jail and/or a hefty fine.
Apparently this a reasonable reaction to seeing families and people of all ages walking around drinking coffees and flat pints enjoying the Christmas atmosphere on a November evening.

Lots of people complaining that they haven’t seen their parents/granny/elderly relative since March and ‘idiots like this are ruining it for everyone’, implying that they are being forced to unfairly be separated from a loved one because of other people getting a little bit of normality. And I’m sorry but that’s absolutely ridiculous, if you have an elderly or vulnerable loved one that you haven’t seen in 9 months then that’s on you.
It’s quite simple, limit your own movements and reduce your own contacts so that when you see said loved one, the risk is as low as possible.
Or avoid seeing altogether if the risk is still too great for everyone involved to be comfortable with.
But that decision has nothing to do with Mary and Johnny down the road, who are low risk and don’t have any elderly/vulnerable relatives, going for a few hot whiskeys and a stroll around town.

Personal responsibility seems to be in very short supply, but not in the way they think.
It’s actually shocking how little initiative people are showing when it comes to assessing their own risks, they’re just happy to wait for the man on the telly to tell them when it’s ok to do something.
But the man on the telly won’t be there and won’t care when we are in the depths of depression and mental health issues, when granny is wasting away in a nursing home from lack of human contact, or when we can’t pay our rent/mortgages when the banks come knocking.
And it’s only then that they’ll realise that we actually aren’t ’all in this together’ at all.

fin12

SusieBlue wrote: »

Just when I thought people were starting to see a bit of sense, the scenes in Cork last night have caused a resurgence of complete hysterics in some people.

Despite the fact that the statement from the Gardaí this morning confirmed that the issues last night were from one isolated incident in which a drugs arrest got out of hand, and that 99.9% of the public in attendance were perfectly behaved and compliant and were just enjoying the Christmas lights with their families and friends, the majority of the comments under the article on FB were borderline totalitarian.

There were calls for water cannons, rubber bullets and tear gas (!!!) to be used on people minding their own business enjoying the lights, and access to medical care to be removed for life from anyone in attendance.
There were also suggestions that anyone of college age should be expelled from their course and denied any financial assistance from social welfare afterwards.

One comment which got quite a lot of likes wants a 9pm curfew put in place and a level 7 lockdown until the 24th of January, at which time we could celebrate a delayed Christmas.
This level 7 would involve schools, airports and the boarders being closed and full closure of all industries, meaning you wouldn’t even be allowed to walk your dog or leave the house to exercise and the army would deliver food & medicine direct to our doors.
Anyone caught outdoors during this level 7 lockdown would get 5 years in jail and/or a hefty fine.
Apparently this a reasonable reaction to seeing families and people of all ages walking around drinking coffees and flat pints enjoying the Christmas atmosphere on a November evening.

Lots of people complaining that they haven’t seen their parents/granny/elderly relative since March and ‘idiots like this are ruining it for everyone’, implying that they are being forced to unfairly be separated from a loved one because of other people getting a little bit of normality. And I’m sorry but that’s absolutely ridiculous, if you have an elderly or vulnerable loved one that you haven’t seen in 9 months then that’s on you.
It’s quite simple, limit your own movements and reduce your own contacts so that when you see said loved one, the risk is as low as possible.
Or avoid seeing altogether if the risk is still too great for everyone involved to be comfortable with.
But that decision has nothing to do with Mary and Johnny down the road, who are low risk and don’t have any elderly/vulnerable relatives, going for a few hot whiskeys and a stroll around town.

Personal responsibility seems to be in very short supply, but not in the way they think.
It’s actually shocking how little initiative people are showing when it comes to assessing their own risks, they’re just happy to wait for the man on the telly to tell them when it’s ok to do something.
But the man on the telly won’t be there and won’t care when we are in the depths of depression and mental health issues, when granny is wasting away in a nursing home from lack of human contact, or when we can’t pay our rent/mortgages when the banks come knocking.
And it’s only then that they’ll realise that we actually aren’t ’all in this together’ at all.

Omg that is crazy. I think those people are suffering from the same mental illness as Tony. I was in town last night and it was fine , everyone was sticking to their own groups. Sorry humans are social creatures and that’s never going to change.

Thats me

SusieBlue wrote: »

There were calls for water cannons, rubber bullets and tear gas (!!!) to be used on people minding their own business enjoying the lights, and access to medical care to be removed for life from anyone in attendance.
There were also suggestions that anyone of college age should be expelled from their course and denied any financial assistance from social welfare afterwards.

Susu, this is first ring. If gardai will not stop these ‘idiots like this are ruining it for everyone’ then citizens on some stage will do it themselves, may be no so accurately as gardai would.

manniot2

SusieBlue wrote: »

Just when I thought people were starting to see a bit of sense, the scenes in Cork last night have caused a resurgence of complete hysterics in some people.

Despite the fact that the statement from the Gardaí this morning confirmed that the issues last night were from one isolated incident in which a drugs arrest got out of hand, and that 99.9% of the public in attendance were perfectly behaved and compliant and were just enjoying the Christmas lights with their families and friends, the majority of the comments under the article on FB were borderline totalitarian.

There were calls for water cannons, rubber bullets and tear gas (!!!) to be used on people minding their own business enjoying the lights, and access to medical care to be removed for life from anyone in attendance.
There were also suggestions that anyone of college age should be expelled from their course and denied any financial assistance from social welfare afterwards.

One comment which got quite a lot of likes wants a 9pm curfew put in place and a level 7 lockdown until the 24th of January, at which time we could celebrate a delayed Christmas.
This level 7 would involve schools, airports and the boarders being closed and full closure of all industries, meaning you wouldn’t even be allowed to walk your dog or leave the house to exercise and the army would deliver food & medicine direct to our doors.
Anyone caught outdoors during this level 7 lockdown would get 5 years in jail and/or a hefty fine.
Apparently this a reasonable reaction to seeing families and people of all ages walking around drinking coffees and flat pints enjoying the Christmas atmosphere on a November evening.

Lots of people complaining that they haven’t seen their parents/granny/elderly relative since March and ‘idiots like this are ruining it for everyone’, implying that they are being forced to unfairly be separated from a loved one because of other people getting a little bit of normality. And I’m sorry but that’s absolutely ridiculous, if you have an elderly or vulnerable loved one that you haven’t seen in 9 months then that’s on you.
It’s quite simple, limit your own movements and reduce your own contacts so that when you see said loved one, the risk is as low as possible.
Or avoid seeing altogether if the risk is still too great for everyone involved to be comfortable with.
But that decision has nothing to do with Mary and Johnny down the road, who are low risk and don’t have any elderly/vulnerable relatives, going for a few hot whiskeys and a stroll around town.

Personal responsibility seems to be in very short supply, but not in the way they think.
It’s actually shocking how little initiative people are showing when it comes to assessing their own risks, they’re just happy to wait for the man on the telly to tell them when it’s ok to do something.
But the man on the telly won’t be there and won’t care when we are in the depths of depression and mental health issues, when granny is wasting away in a nursing home from lack of human contact, or when we can’t pay our rent/mortgages when the banks come knocking.
And it’s only then that they’ll realise that we actually aren’t ’all in this together’ at all.

This is a very very strange country. An utterly depressing one at times.

Rrrrrr2

manniot2 wrote: »

This is a very very strange country. An utterly depressing one at times.

“The Valley of the Squinting Windows” hasn’t gone away- just taken on new forms

Spanish Eyes

Rrrrrr2 wrote: »

“The Valley of the Squinting Windows” hasn’t gone away- just taken on new forms

They should look out for their neighbours rather than looking at them.

suicide_circus

SusieBlue wrote: »

There were calls for water cannons, rubber bullets and tear gas (!!!) to be used on people minding their own business enjoying the lights, and access to medical care to be removed for life from anyone in attendance.
There were also suggestions that anyone of college age should be expelled from their course and denied any financial assistance from social welfare afterwards.

It's been clear for some time that the lockdown but more so the constant barrage of fear and hysteria from the media has left some people seriously mentally unwell.

Rrrrrr2

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

They should look out for their neighbours rather than looking at them.

Where's the social media likes in that

FintanMcluskey

Buff Egan has a video up of the Tipperary team passing through Ballyporeen in cars, 4 or 5 young lads, they look early 20s, run over to one of the cars and hug one of the lads out the window.

Buff refers to it as despicable behaviour before commenting “Up Tipp won’t help them on a ventilator”

85 years

A lot of damage needs to be repaired, hysteria is infectious

RobitTV

Huge development (that you won't hear in Ireland)

Portuguese appeals court finds PCR tests unreliable and lifts quarantine

The PCR test “is unable to determine, beyond reasonable doubt, that such positivity result corresponds, in fact, to the infection of a person by the SARS-CoV-2 virus”, said the Lisbon Court of Appeal.

The Lisbon Court of Appeal also considered that the quarantine period imposed by the Directorate-General for Health during the state of alert is illegal. The judgment states that the body of judges ruled that such a situation can only be taken in a state of emergency (currently in force).

Link

dalyboy

suicide_circus wrote: »

It's been clear for some time that the lockdown but more so the constant barrage of fear and hysteria from the media has left some people seriously mentally unwell.

Exactly. Mentally unwell or not though in my book these people are traitors for freedom full stop. They are no better than nazi scum.

drunkmonkey

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

Buff Egan has a video up of the Tipperary team passing through Ballyporeen in cars, 4 or 5 young lads, they look early 20s, run over to one of the cars and hug one of the lads out the window.

Buff refers to it as despicable behaviour before commenting “Up Tipp won’t help them on a ventilator”

85 years

A lot of damage needs to be repaired, hysteria is infectious

He's getting balled out of it and rightly so, what an ass.

RobitTV

Why are people like Buff Egan attacking a bunch of young lads celebrating after a match? how pathetic has this country become. Get over it and move on.

I'm sick to death of these people taking the "moral" virtue signalling high ground so they will look good on social media. Imagine taking videos of a group of young people and posting it online for attention seeking purposes.

But...but...they will kill granny! - people are sick of this blackmailing nonsense, which is full of lies.