They're Alive!!!

dr.fuzzenstein · 10-07-2018 10:23am

murpho999 wrote: »

Why are people worried about the sedatives. They just calm them down not dope them out entirely.

I'm sure the people who prescribed them (if true) know what they're doing.

Well, that's exactly the worry. Personally if I was making a life or death escape from an underground cave, I woule like to be alert and not the equivalent of 10 pints.

But as you said, the people who prescribe them are probably very aware of this and use an appropriate dose. Balancing act and so on.
The motto of this rescue mission has been "caution above everything else" and it certainly drove me nuts at the beginning, but what they do is working like a charm.

SwimFin · 10-07-2018 10:24am

Thailand cave rescue: ninth boy rescued, reports say – live

iamwhoiam · 10-07-2018 10:27am

murpho999 wrote: »

Why are people worried about the sedatives. They just calm them down not dope them out entirely.

I'm sure the people who prescribed them (if true) know what they're doing.

And prescribed by professionals who know far more than we do about the balance of dosage in children

iamwhoiam · 10-07-2018 10:28am

https://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/specialist-equipment-from-limerick-being-used-in-thailand-cave-rescue-854151.html

Interesting link with Limerick

jobless · 10-07-2018 10:28am

have conditions improved so much that they only have to scuba a small amount?.... curious to know how much of the cave they had to scuba back through

Mollyb60 · 10-07-2018 10:29am

I'm thinking that the coach will actually be the toughest one to get out because he's bigger than the boys and maybe weaker. Probably more likely to panic too. The thoughts of having to go through that make my throat close up with terror.

Fingers crossed the rest of the rescue goes well.

10-07-2018 10:33am

jobless wrote: »

have conditions improved so much that they only have to scuba a small amount?.... curious to know how much of the cave they had to scuba back through

Someone else here said 30 metres of diving but I'm skeptical it could be so little. It's not that conditions have improved, they just haven't gotten much worse and they've been pumping out water the entire time.

josip · 10-07-2018 10:35am

Mollyb60 wrote: »

I'm thinking that the coach will actually be the toughest one to get out because he's bigger than the boys and maybe weaker. Probably more likely to panic too. The thoughts of having to go through that make my throat close up with terror.

Fingers crossed the rest of the rescue goes well.

Coach trained to be a Buddhist monk I think and used meditation with the boys to help them survive the first 9 days.
I wouldn't expect him to panic.

10-07-2018 10:38am

#10 now.

murpho999 · 10-07-2018 10:38am

dr.fuzzenstein wrote: »

Well, that's exactly the worry. Personally if I was making a life or death escape from an underground cave, I woule like to be alert and not the equivalent of 10 pints.
But as you said, the people who prescribe them are probably very aware of this and use an appropriate dose. Balancing act and so on.
The motto of this rescue mission has been "caution above everything else" and it certainly drove me nuts at the beginning, but what they do is working like a charm.

Mild sedatives will just calm their nerves not make them dopey.

I've been given them before surgery and been fine, they just take an edge off you.

RIGOLO · 10-07-2018 10:41am

good interview on BBC GMT with one of the Dutch divers, only caught the tail end, but he emphasised that 'complacency' is now their enemy. He said they need to treat todays rescue as if it were the first day with the same sense of caution.

Reports indicate 1 doctor and 3 Thai Seals had been staying in the cave with the boys, so all in all thats 9 people (4 boys, 1 coach, 1 doctor and 3 seals) that they need to get out of the cave as well as all the rescuers, thats quite a lot on this last day.

theyoungchap · 10-07-2018 10:51am

The last lad out is going to have a lot of oxygen tanks to haul with him

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jobless · 10-07-2018 10:56am

Deleted User wrote: »

Someone else here said 30 metres of diving but I'm skeptical it could be so little. It's not that conditions have improved, they just haven't gotten much worse and they've been pumping out water the entire time.

yeah 30ms seems very little.... cant wait to read the rescuers stories

theyoungchap · 10-07-2018 11:00am

There is a film in this for sure.
30m might sound very little but it might be the part they are actually fully submerged in water - for the rest, it could be waist/chest/shoulder high and they are wading through it......just my tuppence.
It is simply an incredible achievement to get them all out, credit to all the seals and expert divers who risked life and limb to get them out.
I heard somewhere that the 1 who died was advised not to go into the cave.

Discodog · 10-07-2018 11:01am

murpho999 wrote: »

Mild sedatives will just calm their nerves not make them dopey.

I've been given them before surgery and been fine, they just take an edge off you.

I think they have already proved that their decisions are the best.

theyoungchap · 10-07-2018 11:02am

Discodog wrote: »

I think they have already proved that their decisions are the best.

Absolutely, and they didn't even need Elon Musk's contraption!!!

TheValeyard · 10-07-2018 11:02am

jobless wrote: »

yeah 30ms seems very little.... cant wait to read the rescuers stories

Might be the size of the pockets to squeeze through that makes it so hazardous and time consuming. So 30m might be right. We will soon find out.

inforfun · 10-07-2018 11:04am

Update: Source says the boys were medically sedated http://www.khaosodenglish.com/news/crimecourtscalamity/2018/07/10/thats-nine-another-boy-rescued-from-cave/

https://twitter.com/KhaosodEnglish/status/1016623896705896449

Paddy Cow · 10-07-2018 11:07am

dr.fuzzenstein wrote: »

Well, that's exactly the worry. Personally if I was making a life or death escape from an underground cave, I woule like to be alert and not the equivalent of 10 pints.
But as you said, the people who prescribe them are probably very aware of this and use an appropriate dose. Balancing act and so on.
The motto of this rescue mission has been "caution above everything else" and it certainly drove me nuts at the beginning, but what they do is working like a charm.

People differ. It it was me, I know I'd be taking as many pills as they'd give me. I've started to panic just watching some of those videos. No exaggaration. My breath quickens, I feel dizzy and my stomach starts lurching. I absolutely 100% would panic and get stuck at the narrow part if I didn't have some sort of sedative.

Paddy Cow · 10-07-2018 11:08am

jobless wrote: »

have conditions improved so much that they only have to scuba a small amount?.... curious to know how much of the cave they had to scuba back through

I read yesterday that because of pumping out water, the time it took divers to reach the boys was reduced from 6 to 4 hours.

Claw Hammer · 10-07-2018 11:09am

Mollyb60 wrote: »

I'm thinking that the coach will actually be the toughest one to get out because he's bigger than the boys and maybe weaker. Probably more likely to panic too. The thoughts of having to go through that make my throat close up with terror.

Fingers crossed the rest of the rescue goes well.

That coach deserves to be left there. It would serve as an example to other people not to go into situations like that. The rescue services are having to put their own lives at risk because of idiots like him.

vicwatson · 10-07-2018 11:10am

This

ebbsy wrote: »

Fair play to Musk for trying something.

Not this

theyoungchap wrote: »

Absolutely, and they didn't even need Elon Musk's contraption!!!

vicwatson · 10-07-2018 11:11am

Claw Hammer wrote: »

That coach deserves to be left there. It would serve as an example to other people not to go into situations like that. The rescue services are having to put their own lives at risk because of idiots like him.

Oh be quiet

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Claw Hammer · 10-07-2018 11:14am

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That's exactly what that coach should do.

theyoungchap · 10-07-2018 11:14am

Claw Hammer wrote: »

That coach deserves to be left there. It would serve as an example to other people not to go into situations like that. The rescue services are having to put their own lives at risk because of idiots like him.

But the kids were going in whether he was going or not. Without him, and his former monk history teaching them how to meditate, be calm, etc, they might not have survived.

People go into caves all the time and 99.99% of the time the come back out the way they went in.

Presumably he is also very good to these boys if he gives up his time to coach them at football.....you know no more about him than any of us do.

Give the lad a break!

RobbieTheRobber · 10-07-2018 11:15am

Claw Hammer wrote: »

That's exactly what that coach should do.

#youtoo

10-07-2018 11:15am

Claw Hammer wrote: »

That's exactly what that coach should do.

By dying as you've suggested? You're a clown.

B-D-P-- · 10-07-2018 11:16am

Claw Hammer wrote: »

That's exactly what that coach should do.

Surely your trolling??

inforfun · 10-07-2018 11:16am

Claw Hammer wrote: »

That coach deserves to be left there. It would serve as an example to other people not to go into situations like that. The rescue services are having to put their own lives at risk because of idiots like him.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y7LDlipCmhM

Reati · 10-07-2018 11:17am

Claw Hammer wrote: »

That coach deserves to be left there. It would serve as an example to other people not to go into situations like that. The rescue services are having to put their own lives at risk because of idiots like him.

As someone is is a volunteer rescuer, people with your attitude disgust me.

We are not there to judge those who need help or the actions of those who are in trouble. People can end up in all kinds of situations. It's easy to cast stones from behind your keyboard. We are there to help save their lives and that's what we do. We the shout comes - we go. No Matter why that person in in that situation. In fact, even though your views are disgusting, I'd even rescue you if the shout came.

If a law has been broken, the system will hold them to account.

SuperS54 · 10-07-2018 11:18am

9th child safely out!

SwimFin · 10-07-2018 11:19am

Thai cave rescue: 'No kid has cave dived like this before'

Thailand cave rescue: 10th boy rescued as mission to free others continues – live

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theyoungchap · 10-07-2018 11:21am

SwimFin wrote: »

Thai cave rescue: 'No kid has cave dived like this before'

Thailand cave rescue: 10th boy rescued as mission to free others continues – live

Pffft old news, 11 out now

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Claw Hammer · 10-07-2018 11:23am

Reati wrote: »

As someone is is a volunteer rescuer, people with your attitude disgust me.

We are not there to judge those who need help or the actions of those who are in trouble. People can end up in all kinds of situations. It's easy to cast stones from behind your keyboard. We are there to help save their lives and that's what we do. We the shout comes - we go. No Matter why that person in in that situation. In fact, even though your views are disgusting, I'd even rescue you if the shout came.

If a law has been broken, the system will hold them to account.

Rescuers rescue, other people judge. There are numerous examples of idiots taking absolutely stupid risks, going to see in bad weather, without life jackets or even a safe vessel. People go up mountains without proper clothing or equipment and then cause rescue missions. I said he deserves to be left there to die but of course he won't be. A number of people will risk their own lives to try and get out and will probably succeed.

Paddy Cow · 10-07-2018 11:24am

Claw Hammer wrote: »

That coach deserves to be left there. It would serve as an example to other people not to go into situations like that. The rescue services are having to put their own lives at risk because of idiots like him.

The parents don't blame him and they know more about the situation than you do.

TheValeyard · 10-07-2018 11:25am

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1 kid, the coach, a doctor and 3 navy seals to go.

Twist ending. The doctor is Gary Glitter.

Serious though, this has turned into a great story. Absolutely amazing work by the rescue teams.

Claw Hammer · 10-07-2018 11:25am

Paddy Cow wrote: »

The parents don't blame him and they know more about the situation than you do.

So what?

10-07-2018 11:25am

Claw Hammer wrote: »

Rescuers rescue, other people judge. There are numerous examples of idiots taking absolutely stupid risks, going to see in bad weather, without life jackets or even a safe vessel. People go up mountains without proper clothing or equipment and then cause rescue missions. I said he deserves to be left there to die but of course he won't be. A number of people will risk their own lives to try and get out and will probably succeed.

Would you mind explaining what exactly he did wrong here? I'm interested in what has inspired such barbarism.

Claw Hammer · 10-07-2018 11:27am

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Would you mind explaining what exactly he did wrong here? I'm interested in what has inspired such barbarism.

He went deep into caves with a group of schoolboys. He didn't take account of the local conditions. It was a highly irresponsible thing for any adult to do.

Mr. CooL ICE · 10-07-2018 11:28am

Claw Hammer wrote: »

That coach deserves to be left there. It would serve as an example to other people not to go into situations like that. The rescue services are having to put their own lives at risk because of idiots like him.

Mod: Well, aren't you lovely.

Don't post in this thread again.

pxdf9i5cmoavkz · 10-07-2018 11:28am

I hear that there may be another monsoon on the way in Thailand, and they still need to get out the last 4 kids so they're calling the world's greatest diver or something

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RIGOLO · 10-07-2018 11:32am

11th person rescued, and based on yesterdays timeline, this surely means the other people are well along on the route and should soon be free.
Not to prioritise them but when I hear the coach is out safe and sound, I will be extra happy. Fingers crossed, cmon rescuers .

murpho999 · 10-07-2018 11:34am

Claw Hammer wrote: »

He went deep into caves with a group of schoolboys. He didn't take account of the local conditions. It was a highly irresponsible thing for any adult to do.

You don't know what happened.

They went deep into caves to get away from advancing waters.

You also don't know if some of the lads just went too far and he went after them.

Either way, your reasoning stinks. You don't punish people for making mistakes.

shakeitoff · 10-07-2018 11:37am

He's also just 25

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Damo 2k9 · 10-07-2018 11:39am

Last boy and the coach are in 1st chamber apparently.

They're Alive!!!

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