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AEW - All Elite Wrestling (*Spoilers for Latest Show*)

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,154 ✭✭✭✭Neil3030




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,956 ✭✭✭✭Omackeral


    Imagine actually making that.


  • Registered Users Posts: 48,990 ✭✭✭✭Lithium93_


    The audacity to ****ing ruin Belinda Carlile's Heaven Is A Place On Earth.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 60,891 ✭✭✭✭Agent Coulson


    Whoever made that is a billion times the worse than those he is trying to take the p1ss out of.


  • Registered Users Posts: 5,255 ✭✭✭The White Wolf


    One ballsy mother fcuker to make 4 minutes out of that.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,481 ✭✭✭Smacruairi


    Neil3030 wrote: »
    This is glorious:]

    That's some top quality trolling


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,221 ✭✭✭✭J. Marston


    Jericho: "It’s been a really cool environment with AEW because Tony is, you never want to say this, but he’s one of the boys to an extent, he’s one of the boys in that he hangs out after the show. He’s very generous."

    https://www.sescoops.com/chris-jericho-talks-drug-use-in-todays-wrestling-compared-to-past/

    "Very generous." Jericho, Cody, The Young Bucks etc saw starry-eyed Khan coming from a mile away.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,753 ✭✭✭✭beakerjoe


    Sure isnt Vince one of the boys too.

    Tony is a money mark. Plain and simple.


  • Registered Users Posts: 48,990 ✭✭✭✭Lithium93_




  • Registered Users Posts: 2,211 ✭✭✭LineOfBeauty


    beakerjoe wrote: »
    Sure isnt Vince one of the boys too.

    Tony is a money mark. Plain and simple.

    Time will tell. I personally think Tony is the longest of long shots coming through. A guy whose dad is a billionaire that owns sport teams whose been a WON subscriber and smart wrestling fan for life. All of that falling into place with The Elite gaining super popularity. The stars aligned perfectly for it to all work out. There's bits and pieces Tony allows onto his shows I don't like, but by and large his vision of pro wrestling is good and he's a shoe in for booker of the year.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,753 ✭✭✭✭beakerjoe


    Time will tell. I personally think Tony is the longest of long shots coming through. A guy whose dad is a billionaire that owns sport teams whose been a WON subscriber and smart wrestling fan for life. All of that falling into place with The Elite gaining super popularity. The stars aligned perfectly for it to all work out. There's bits and pieces Tony allows onto his shows I don't like, but by and large his vision of pro wrestling is good and he's a shoe in for booker of the year.

    Dont get me wrong, I enjoy AEW and want it to succeed but Tony is a money mark. Hes throwing cash at a pet project, happy to be 'one of the boys' and to be fair, doing a lot right but Im interested to see how AEW is in 5 years.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,952 ✭✭✭Cherry_Cola


    Seems like he's making profit off it so fair play to him. Many here would kill to be in a similar position and would likely do a much worse job so not sure why people deride him for being a money mark. If you work on something you enjoy, hang out with your childhood heroes and make money doing it, then that's pretty cool no matter how you look at it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,154 ✭✭✭✭Neil3030


    By the strictest of definitions, I don't think Tony Khan is a money mark, seeing as AEW turnover a decent amount of cash.

    The company's TV deal is worth $45m per year. 4 PPVs a year doing buy-rates of ~50-100k probably tops up the kitty with an additional $3m-$5m.

    Add revenues from a live crowd each week, you're probably talking another $10m-$15m.

    So even a conservative estimate, you're likely dealing with a business that turns over more than $50m per year.

    However, the question is, how much goes back out the door? Meltzer reckons production costs are 500k per week, or $26m a year. And then you have a roster of over 100 wrestlers, plus an additional 30 non wrestling on air personalities (Justin Roberts, Vicki G, the refs, etc). How many of them are on 6+ figures annually? The handful of big names like Jericho, Cody and Moxley are likely in the low 7 figure range too. Hard to imagine the Bucks and Kenny making much less.

    And then you have production costs for the vignettes like the trip to Vegas or the Hardy compound matches.

    I mean, sure, this is all guesswork, but it's pretty easy to imagine the Khan family needing to top up the kitty with a few mil each year.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,952 ✭✭✭Cherry_Cola


    TNT front productions costs though I believe.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,154 ✭✭✭✭Neil3030


    TNT front productions costs though I believe.

    Not in the new deal.

    https://www.wrestlinginc.com/news/2020/01/how-much-the-new-aew-tv-deal-is-actually-worth-665015/


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,689 ✭✭✭sky88


    They also pay for the accommodation and flights for the wrestlers then advertising and promotion I would love to see the accounting of the company


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 60,891 ✭✭✭✭Agent Coulson


    Between owning an NFL team a Premier League team and a Wrestling company I would imagine the Khan family are pretty good at knowing how to spend money in sports franchises without dipping into their own personal wealth.

    Be that tv money, Advertising money, sponsorship money and tax breaks.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,154 ✭✭✭✭Neil3030


    Between owning an NFL team a Premier League team and a Wrestling company I would imagine the Khan family are pretty good at knowing how to spend money in sports franchises without dipping into their own personal wealth.

    Be that tv money, Advertising money, sponsorship money and tax breaks.

    Since Khan took over Fulham in 2013, the club hasn't turned a profit once, and have yearly losses ranging from 2m to 46m.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 60,891 ✭✭✭✭Agent Coulson


    Neil3030 wrote: »
    Since Khan took over Fulham in 2013, the club hasn't turned a profit once, and have yearly losses ranging from 2m to 46m.

    Only about 3 clubs in England's top flight not in debt nearly every other one is leveraged up to the last.

    Just look at the money Man U's owners make from the club despite it being £500m in debt.

    There is a reason all these billionaires buy football teams in England

    The Khans wrote off debt at Fulham by turning it into shares and when they do sell they will make a huge profit.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,154 ✭✭✭✭Neil3030


    Only about 3 clubs in England's top flight not in debt nearly every other one is leveraged up to the last.

    Just look at the money Man U's owners make from the club despite it being £500m in debt.

    There is a reason all these billionaires buy football teams in England

    That wasn't your point.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,154 ✭✭✭✭Neil3030


    sky88 wrote: »
    They also pay for the accommodation and flights for the wrestlers then advertising and promotion I would love to see the accounting of the company

    Yikes, do they pay transport and accommodation? That must be 100k+ per week for the whole roster.

    What's the story with healthcare / the independent contractor status of their workers?

    If AEW are paying healthcare, that's millions per year. Easily.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,689 ✭✭✭sky88


    Neil3030 wrote: »
    Yikes, do they pay transport and accommodation? That must be 100k+ per week for the whole roster.

    What's the story with healthcare / the independent contractor status of their workers?

    If AEW are paying healthcare, that's millions per year. Easily.

    No wrestlers are independent contractors except I’m assuming the evps not sure of the healthcare not heard /read anything if they do pay healthcare

    Most do live in Florida it seems so I’d say right now the flights aren’t too expensive you’d imagine


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,641 ✭✭✭RollieFingers


    Time will tell. I personally think Tony is the longest of long shots coming through. A guy whose dad is a billionaire that owns sport teams whose been a WON subscriber and smart wrestling fan for life. All of that falling into place with The Elite gaining super popularity. The stars aligned perfectly for it to all work out. There's bits and pieces Tony allows onto his shows I don't like, but by and large his vision of pro wrestling is good and he's a shoe in for booker of the year.

    Khan is definitely pro-wrestling Booker of the year, in North America anyway. Overall I'd give it to the Dragon Gate crew but on his side of the world it's Khan.

    He's done a very solid job, without too much competition in fairness. ROH and MLW took hits with the pandemic, I'd probably say Callis and D'Amore in Impact would be second best this year. Main roster WWE isn't pro wrestling and NXT is an afterthought so yeh I'd say it's Khan in 2020.


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,211 ✭✭✭LineOfBeauty


    Khan is definitely pro-wrestling Booker of the year, in North America anyway. Overall I'd give it to the Dragon Gate crew but on his side of the world it's Khan.

    He's done a very solid job, without too much competition in fairness. ROH and MLW took hits with the pandemic, I'd probably say Callis and D'Amore in Impact would be second best this year. Main roster WWE isn't pro wrestling and NXT is an afterthought so yeh I'd say it's Khan in 2020.

    Ye Dragon Gate and Nosawa Rongai's NOAH are the other two that came to mind. Gedo and NJPW have had a pretty poor year, started so well with the double Dome Naito victory, had a couple of peaks in the G1 but everything else has been a struggle.

    In North America Khan has to be the automatic choice, and you have to give him credit in a lot of different ways. He's built an interesting company with it's own booking patterns, it's own rhythms, he's dealt with the many curveballs thrown at him admirably and his 4 PPV's a year are by far and away my most anticipated wrestling shows in North America. There's a lot of stuff to be said in his favour.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 60,891 ✭✭✭✭Agent Coulson


    John Silver vs Hangman announced for tomorrows Dynamite could be a cracker.

    Top Flight vs TH2 announced as well.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,641 ✭✭✭RollieFingers


    Big win for Pretty Peter Avalon!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,296 ✭✭✭✭CastorTroy


    Woohoo! Clearly Leva was holding him back.

    Find it funny that the Heat/Velocity of AEW was nearly as long as a PPV and longer than any of the other bigger weekly shows.

    I know it was kind of an obvious joke but still found Britt commenting on calling someone the wrong name while addressing Rebel. I'm guessing that wasn't Rebel's real laugh.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 60,891 ✭✭✭✭Agent Coulson


    Taz doing the Kata ha jime :)

    His sons ring name Hook so I’m guessing he’s going to be a shooter.

    Also Powerhouse Hobbs is so old school it's great.


  • Registered Users Posts: 37 ciaran2054


    Taz doing the Kata ha jime :)

    His sons ring name Hook so I’m guessing he’s going to be a shooter.

    Also Powerhouse Hobbs is so old school it's great.

    Very good episode of Dynamite although I found the ending a bit odd. They’re all basically heels and then another heel does a run in.

    Team Tazz looking very strong now. I don’t mind Brian Cage but he’s becoming the background guy.

    Kenny v. Mox has all the ingredients for a classic.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,296 ✭✭✭✭CastorTroy


    I know he's backstage like that, but Cody coming out with the headset just looks fake. Like he just grabbed it to make it look like he's involved backstage. Why can't he take it off when going out to the ring? Looks like they're trying too hard.

    Looked like Hobbs thought he injured Lee Johnson. Johnson who not only doesn't get any members of the Nightmare Family accompanying him, but also just doesn't get an entrance on tv

    Was there meant to be a part 2 to the Vegas trip?


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,211 ✭✭✭LineOfBeauty


    Really good episode, maybe even better than last week and I loved last week. Team Tazz might be my favourite thing in wrestling right now. One of those shows where you come away from it on a high. It's a great wrestling show, more than that though, it's just a great show atm. As easy a 2 hours as you'll find.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,641 ✭✭✭RollieFingers


    That promo from Tazz was fantastic, really liked the whole segment. The difference between a promo like that and the wooden, scripted WWE promos is night and day. Powerhouse Hobbs looked great too. Cracking episode again from AEW.


  • Registered Users Posts: 5,255 ✭✭✭The White Wolf


    Gas that the response to Dominik in WWE is to start putting multiple young lads in front of the camera such as Tazz's and Gunn's nippers.


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,211 ✭✭✭LineOfBeauty


    Gas that the response to Dominik in WWE is to start putting multiple young lads in front of the camera such as Tazz's and Gunn's nippers.

    I've doubts Dominik had an effect on any of that. I think the Gunns were probably front row on TV before Dominik even appeared on TV. And Tazz's son has apparently been training for about a year.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,154 ✭✭✭✭Neil3030


    I didn't understand the ending to the Taz/Cody segment.

    Taz keeps needling Cody until Cody brings up Taz's son training with him and not his father. This pissed Taz off to the point of choking Cody out. So I'm initially thinking, 'OK Taz doesn't get on with his son'.

    No. Wait. Taz's son has magically appeared and is now leaving with Taz.

    What am I missing here? How is any of this making any sense?


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  • Registered Users Posts: 2,211 ✭✭✭LineOfBeauty


    Neil3030 wrote: »
    I didn't understand the ending to the Taz/Cody segment.

    Taz keeps needling Cody until Cody brings up Taz's son training with him and not his father. This pissed Taz off to the point of choking Cody out. So I'm initially thinking, 'OK Taz doesn't get on with his son'.

    No. Wait. Taz's son has magically appeared and is now leaving with Taz.

    What am I missing here? How is any of this making any sense?

    In kayfabe, that Tazz's son chooses to train with his rival rather than him is obviously a sore point for a guy who they've established as a coach and mentor. Though the 1st time in AEW that Tazz gets physical and the stakes are clearly raised, Tazz's son is there for his dad because family means more than anything. This was not tough to follow.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,221 ✭✭✭✭J. Marston


    Thought they were having their cake and eating it too with that segment. Breaking kayfabe with all the WWE-isms and Cody the Exec stuff while then wanting to maintain kayfabe at the same time with Tazz and his son storyline. Bit of a mess, in my opinion.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,753 ✭✭✭✭beakerjoe


    In kayfabe, that Tazz's son chooses to train with his rival rather than him is obviously a sore point for a guy who they've established as a coach and mentor. Though the 1st time in AEW that Tazz gets physical and the stakes are clearly raised, Tazz's son is there for his dad because family means more than anything. This was not tough to follow.

    I dont think it made great sense though. Easy of follow yes, was the addition of Taz's son necessary? No.

    Taz was brilliant, very real and natural. No doubt, Cody came across well too. No problems there in terms of his presence and delivery, but Im not a huge fan of how the segment turned to focus on Taz's son, Hook (has he a kid named Red too I wonder, silly name IMO. But thats neither here nor there).

    Is Cody training Taz's son legit? God knows. From a kayfabe POV, why was Cody training him.

    Cody and Taz are feuding, so why was Hook training with Cody to begin with? Thats a question that would shed more light on the situation.

    Why wasn't he training with his Dad to begin with? His Dad is mentoring others, why is Hook going with Cody, esp when his Dad is feuding with Cody?

    The part I don't get is, why train with Cody when your Dad is feuding with him. That part isn't clear.

    I really don't think the addition of Hook will help the feud personally, the segment was fine without it. They are a blurring the lines too much here for my liking. What do they want us to believe here...... I agree with Martson above, pick a lane. Burring the lines when it suits just doesnt work.

    Besides that Dynamite was enjoyable TV.

    Hobbs booked in a squash was the right move. I was fearful that they would go down the Trent Barretta vs Omega route (a match Omega should have squashed Trent, but went toe to toe....wrong call.)

    Miro and Kip need to go away. There feud with best friends is doing nothing for me. Miro has been a heater for Kip. Not a huge fan of Kip, hes bland and hasn't enough personality to stand out against others who are better than him.

    Miro though has potential but he's above being a glorified heater for Kip. Hes above it. His AEW career hasnt shown me any evidence that WWE were wrong to push him. He came in very cold, none of his qualities have been really presented well by AEW and for someone who could have excelled like Mox or Jericho, they haven't used him correctly at all in this "best man gimmick". Id love him to go away and reset a few months later.

    Pac and Kingston is all kinds of viewing pleasure, Kingston is a natural and can be the Mick Foley of AEW. Underated, passionate and buckets of personality. While Miro is used awfully, Kingston is being used perfectly.

    Not a fan of Murderhawk and think its wrong to inject him into this feud. I dont hate Lance, but its the little things that annoy me. Yes his look is unique but its silly looking. Shave his head and lose the toilet chain on the back of his head. Why start him into a feud now with Kingston? The DT v Kingstons crew is fine as is, it doesn't need an "is he a face" Lance Archer involved, find something else for him.

    Im getting sick of the inner circle but I enjoyed the match with SCU. But I dont wanna see Jericho wrestle Kazerian next week. I wanna see more Scorpio Sky and less Jericho. I feel the dropped the ball with Sky after his match with World Champ Jericho, but I get they cant push everyone.

    Mox and Omega is a nice simple build. Kenny did better on the mic this week and their story is developing nicely. No complaints here. The added bonus of who attacked Mox is interesting..... hoping its the Bucks.

    Page and Silver was a good opener. I dont mind Silver getting more offence here as the story is Page loosing his way. Hopefully the DO and Page stuff leads somewhere good, like a Lee vs Page match.

    Tag team match was short but fun. The Martin Bros look like a team with fantastic potential.

    The womens match was ok, wasnt a huge fan of it but I think thats more because the division needs better booking. Its way off NXTs female division.

    But an overall good show.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,753 ✭✭✭✭beakerjoe


    Taz doing the Kata ha jime :)

    His sons ring name Hook so I’m guessing he’s going to be a shooter.

    Also Powerhouse Hobbs is so old school it's great.

    Powerhouse Hobbs suits so well. I feel he has the look of a great heater, while I dont hate his booking thus far (its been great), I feel he'd be a better heater for Kip than Miro. He has a great "henchman" look.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 60,891 ✭✭✭✭Agent Coulson


    beakerjoe wrote: »

    Mox and Omega is a nice simple build. Kenny did better on the mic this week and their story is developing nicely. No complaints here. The added bonus of who attacked Mox is interesting..... hoping its the Bucks.


    I'm seriously hoping it's KENTA who called Mox out a few weeks ago and with Mox going over to NJPW it's the start of the two companies working together,


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,753 ✭✭✭✭beakerjoe


    I'm seriouly hoping it's KENTA who called Mox out a few weeks agao and with MOX going over to NJPW it's the start of the two companies working together,

    Thats another good explaination, maybe too soon to be the Bucks.


  • Registered Users Posts: 5,255 ✭✭✭The White Wolf


    I've doubts Dominik had an effect on any of that. I think the Gunns were probably front row on TV before Dominik even appeared on TV. And Tazz's son has apparently been training for about a year.

    There seems to be a second Gunn young fella there now that wasn't until recently. Might be wrong. Looks quite young.


  • Registered Users Posts: 5,255 ✭✭✭The White Wolf


    beakerjoe wrote: »
    Thats another good explaination, maybe too soon to be the Bucks.

    Let's be real, it's never too soon for the Bucks to play utter cretinous heels.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,154 ✭✭✭✭Neil3030


    In kayfabe, that Tazz's son chooses to train with his rival rather than him is obviously a sore point for a guy who they've established as a coach and mentor. Though the 1st time in AEW that Tazz gets physical and the stakes are clearly raised, Tazz's son is there for his dad because family means more than anything. This was not tough to follow.

    See this:
    beakerjoe wrote: »
    I dont think it made great sense though. Easy of follow yes, was the addition of Taz's son necessary? No.

    Taz was brilliant, very real and natural. No doubt, Cody came across well too. No problems there in terms of his presence and delivery, but Im not a huge fan of how the segment turned to focus on Taz's son, Hook (has he a kid named Red too I wonder, silly name IMO. But thats neither here nor there).

    Is Cody training Taz's son legit? God knows. From a kayfabe POV, why was Cody training him.

    Cody and Taz are feuding, so why was Hook training with Cody to begin with? Thats a question that would shed more light on the situation.

    Why wasn't he training with his Dad to begin with? His Dad is mentoring others, why is Hook going with Cody, esp when his Dad is feuding with Cody?

    The part I don't get is, why train with Cody when your Dad is feuding with him. That part isn't clear.

    I really don't think the addition of Hook will help the feud personally, the segment was fine without it. They are a blurring the lines too much here for my liking. What do they want us to believe here...... I agree with Martson above, pick a lane. Burring the lines when it suits just doesnt work.

    1. Hook training with Cody is fine, furthers the idea that Taz is such a jerk, his own kid abandoned him, etc. Plenty you can do with that.

    2. Hook showing up at the end to side with his father vs Cody would also be fine.

    But you can't have both of these developments crammed into the same segment we first hear about Hook even existing. The two threads completely contradict each other and force you to fill in the gaps yourself, in your case, LineOfBeauty, that family wins out etc.

    You can't set the context AND have the plot twist all at once. There's a difference between suspense and confusion.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,141 ✭✭✭ConcertKing


    beakerjoe wrote: »
    Not a fan of Murderhawk and think its wrong to inject him into this feud. I dont hate Lance, but its the little things that annoy me. Yes his look is unique but its silly looking. Shave his head and lose the toilet chain on the back of his head. Why start him into a feud now with Kingston? The DT v Kingstons crew is fine as is, it doesn't need an "is he a face" Lance Archer involved, find something else for him.

    Suggesting Archer shave his head is one of the stupidest suggestions I have ever read on any forum ever!

    Personally think Archer and Eddie Kingston will be a brilliant match when it happens as there has been needle there since the Casino Battle Royale!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,154 ✭✭✭✭Neil3030


    Jake had a hand in Undertaker's babyface turn, so I'm sure he'd have a few ideas for the eventual Archer turn.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,753 ✭✭✭✭beakerjoe


    Suggesting Archer shave his head is one of the stupidest suggestions I have ever read on any forum ever!

    Personally think Archer and Eddie Kingston will be a brilliant match when it happens as there has been needle there since the Casino Battle Royale!

    Why is it that stupid? Bit of an over reaction no?

    He looks like a tool with his current do. It doesn't make him look impressive.

    Yes their match could be great but you missed the point .... does it need to happen while hes just begun feuding with Pac who just returned.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,141 ✭✭✭ConcertKing


    beakerjoe wrote: »
    Why is it that stupid? Bit of an over reaction no?

    He looks like a tool with his current do. It doesn't make him look impressive.

    Yes their match could be great but you missed the point .... does it need to happen while hes just begun feuding with Pac who just returned.

    And you clearly missed mine!

    Archer looks very impressive but each to their own!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,753 ✭✭✭✭beakerjoe


    And you clearly missed mine!

    Archer looks very impressive but each to their own!

    Ok spell out what your point is.

    I never said he didnt look impressive. His hairstyle doesnt add to his allure as a monster. He looks impressive to a point, but when you see the dyed red long tail it takes away from his overall package.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,221 ✭✭✭✭J. Marston


    Miro has been the wrestling free transfer equivalent of Alexis Sanchez.

    What a flop.


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