Machinery Photo/Discussion Thread II

Dinzee Conlee · 04-08-2020 10:21pm

Base price wrote: »

Thanks lads but tbh I didn't think I'd have to spend that sort of money - I'm not saying he's not worth it but I reckon he/me will manage swinging outta the 5' scaffolding bar for a another few years.
If ye have less expensive birthday present suggestions then please let me know cause I'm running out of ideas.

On the flip side, I might just buy him a fly rod and teach him how to fly fish although I reckon the fish will stay safe enough in the lake

I know little of mechanical things - but the swinging off the bar make me think of one them torque multiplier yokes... Seen a lad use one here to take off a wheel off, when I was expecting the scaffolding bar treatment...

I’ll put it out there and let other say whether they’re any good or not...

Like this (I dunno if this is a good brand or example now or not)
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Hardcastle-Torque-Multiplier-Wrench-Set/dp/B011P3QQBW/ref=asc_df_B011P3QQBW/?tag=googshopuk-21&linkCode=df0&hvadid=226613731662&hvpos=&hvnetw=g&hvrand=2604959948953197973&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvqmt=&hvdev=m&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=20475&hvtargid=pla-711440882584&psc=1

Base price · 04-08-2020 10:33pm

Dinzee Conlee wrote: »

I know little of mechanical things - but the swinging off the bar make me think of one them torque multiplier yokes... Seen a lad use one here to take off a wheel off, when I was expecting the scaffolding bar treatment...

I’ll put it out there and let other say whether they’re any good or not...

Like this (I dunno if this is a good brand or example now or not)
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Hardcastle-Torque-Multiplier-Wrench-Set/dp/B011P3QQBW/ref=asc_df_B011P3QQBW/?tag=googshopuk-21&linkCode=df0&hvadid=226613731662&hvpos=&hvnetw=g&hvrand=2604959948953197973&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvqmt=&hvdev=m&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=20475&hvtargid=pla-711440882584&psc=1

Thanks, tbh I've never seen one of them used but it looks like a cheaper option. As you said, see what the other's say about them as I don't have a clue.

timple23 · 04-08-2020 10:38pm

Base price wrote: »

Advice please

OH's birthday is coming up soon and I was thinking of getting him a impact wrench/driver thingie as a present. I reckon either a half or three quarter inch drive would suit as it would be used mainly to open wheel studs, nuts and bolts on the tractor/digger/machinery instead of swinging out of a bar with 5' of scaffolding tube at the other end.
Would a pneumatic one work off the air compressor outlet on the lorry as it's piped for a drag trailer or should I look at a battery one. Also how much would one of them cost.

Thanks in advance.

https://www.toolsense.co.uk/dewalt-dcf899p2-18v-brushless-3-sp-high-torque-wrench.html

This is an affordable bit of kit. Only sorry I didn't buy one sooner. Can expand tool kit by buying bare units, eg cordless angle grinder. If you have a VAT number you can use it when ordering online, Does it have to be your own VAT number?

If you want a cheaper present a torque wrench or cordless battery angle grinder.

Tools are 20-30% cheaper ordering from UK, even more if you have a VAT number.

emaherx · 05-08-2020 6:44am

Dinzee Conlee wrote: »

I know little of mechanical things - but the swinging off the bar make me think of one them torque multiplier yokes... Seen a lad use one here to take off a wheel off, when I was expecting the scaffolding bar treatment...

I’ll put it out there and let other say whether they’re any good or not...

Like this (I dunno if this is a good brand or example now or not)
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Hardcastle-Torque-Multiplier-Wrench-Set/dp/B011P3QQBW/ref=asc_df_B011P3QQBW/?tag=googshopuk-21&linkCode=df0&hvadid=226613731662&hvpos=&hvnetw=g&hvrand=2604959948953197973&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvqmt=&hvdev=m&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=20475&hvtargid=pla-711440882584&psc=1

Thats a better option than a cheap air impact gun. I bought one a few years ago and have yet to find a stud it wouldn't crack, and much better than the scaffold tubes. The cheap air gun is usefull then for spinning of the nut once the nut is cracked open.

I know nothing of the brand in the link, but any I've seen have been unknown brands anyway.

blue5000 · 05-08-2020 10:25am

emaherx wrote: »

Thats a better option than a cheap air impact gun. I bought one a few years ago and have yet to find a stud it wouldn't crack, and much better than the scaffold tubes. The cheap air gun is usefull then for spinning of the nut once the nut is cracked open.

I know nothing of the brand in the link, but any I've seen have been unknown brands anyway.

+1

That's good value, the few sockets in the box would be a tenner each around here. I use one but you need space to work it, a cordless would be lighter and tidier.

https://www.ebay.co.uk/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_trksid=p2380057.m570.l1311.R1.TR8.TRC2.A0.H0.Xtorque+mul.TRS0&_nkw=torque+multiplier&_sacat=0
Look at the price of the 9th one down:P

Another great option for a pressie is a Leatherman multitool if he hasn't got one already. Wouldn't open any wheel nuts though.

charlesodowd · 05-08-2020 12:04pm

Base price wrote: »

Advice please

OH's birthday is coming up soon and I was thinking of getting him a impact wrench/driver thingie as a present. I reckon either a half or three quarter inch drive would suit as it would be used mainly to open wheel studs, nuts and bolts on the tractor/digger/machinery instead of swinging out of a bar with 5' of scaffolding tube at the other end.
Would a pneumatic one work off the air compressor outlet on the lorry as it's piped for a drag trailer or should I look at a battery one. Also how much would one of them cost.

Thanks in advance.

Is he set up on a cordless platform?

i.e. Does he have batteries and a charger for a particular brand?

If so check out that brands offering in impact wrench, 1/2 inch 18V would suffice for most routine farming work.

If not then I wouldn't buy one as you'd be tying him to that brand (plus you'd have to buy batteries and charger which could easily run a few hundred euro)

I picked up a Makita DTW285Z recently for around the 150-200 mark, able to do all I need it to.The other tools linked here are for what one would consider semi-professional or professional use. Unless you are making money using them, it's a significant inventment.

A set of deep sockets also a must, if using impact wrench.

Mooooo · 05-08-2020 12:06pm

tractorporn wrote: »

Yeah they will only do 20k but can be towed behind a jeep. I have a demo booked in for this winter I've a very narrow passageway here 9'9" and I reckon that's the narrowest machine out there.

I think the next model up is it the 5522? is 6ft wide as well but can lift the 2 tonne? May be worth a look at if in budget as the extra tonne capacity can make a difference even safety wise

tractorporn · 05-08-2020 1:28pm

Mooooo wrote: »

I think the next model up is it the 5522? is 6ft wide as well but can lift the 2 tonne? May be worth a look at if in budget as the extra tonne capacity can make a difference even safety wise

The 4512 is a full foot narrower than the 5522. If I thought I could get away with it I'd go with the bigger one. I've attached a pic as you can see theres not a whole lot of room to work with.

Mooooo · 05-08-2020 1:36pm

tractorporn wrote: »

The 4512 is a full foot narrower than the 5522. If I thought I could get away with it I'd go with the bigger one. I've attached a pic as you can see theres not a whole lot of room to work with.

She's tight alright! Have a 12 ft passage here and find it a pain with an old jcb 412.

tractorporn · 05-08-2020 2:40pm

Mooooo wrote: »

She's tight alright! Have a 12 ft passage here and find it a pain with an old jcb 412.

12 ft would be like feeding in the yard here. We had to adjust the pillars when we bought that tractor as the joiners at the top were hitting the top of the cab on the right hand side.

I think the 4512 would have enough lift capacity it's more than the loader has atm at 1.2 ton and the idea of a euro hitch so no adapter plate would keep the weight down.

Panch18 · 05-08-2020 2:47pm

tractorporn wrote: »

12 ft would be like feeding in the yard here. We had to adjust the pillars when we bought that tractor as the joiners at the top were hitting the top of the cab on the right hand side.

I think the 4512 would have enough lift capacity it's more than the loader has atm at 1.2 ton and the idea of a euro hitch so no adapter plate would keep the weight down.

Would you be better going with a articulated loader like a JCB 220 or the equivalent Wiedmanan or Schaffer?

Those smaller artics would turn on a sixpence

Morris Moss · 05-08-2020 2:48pm

tractorporn wrote: »

The 4512 is a full foot narrower than the 5522. If I thought I could get away with it I'd go with the bigger one. I've attached a pic as you can see theres not a whole lot of room to work with.

A pivot steer is what you need, I've a weidemann 5080t, I've a narrower passage than your 1 and it's no problem to use, no need to sprong any silage either, just push it in with the grab or bucket

X6.430macman · 05-08-2020 3:01pm

Waffletraktor wrote:

9t from chandlers?

9t from TNS... Manns brought out an 8800 yesterday for a couple hours, had a Macdon style flex head. 7xl auger on the claas which looks insane behind the combine, Both machines well able to move along in wheat, sounds like the guys were more impressed with the ideal

roosterman71 · 05-08-2020 3:06pm

Stumbled across this video today while looking at something completely different. Brilliant 18 minutes spent looking at the work. And as a man with a Nuffield it made me even more engrossed!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=owPPDj_oH8s

Buford T. Justice XIX · 05-08-2020 3:32pm

Morris Moss wrote: »

A pivot steer is what you need, I've a weidemann 5080t, I've a narrower passage than your 1 and it's no problem to use, no need to sprong any silage either, just push it in with the grab or bucket

I've been looking for a handy telescopic loader for a while now but I was seriously impressed with a few that had crab steer so I moved away from looking at the pivot steer models.

I may live to regret saying that now:D

Morris Moss · 05-08-2020 4:18pm

Buford T. Justice XIX wrote: »

I've been looking for a handy telescopic loader for a while now but I was seriously impressed with a few that had crab steer so I moved away from looking at the pivot steer models.

I may live to regret saying that now:D

Kramer are a brilliant loader anyway, looked at one here before we got the Weidemann, but four wheel steer pushing up silage would have been lethal.

Buford T. Justice XIX · 05-08-2020 4:35pm

Morris Moss wrote: »

Kramer are a brilliant loader anyway, looked at one here before we got the Weidemann, but four wheel steer pushing up silage would have been lethal.

She'll only be feeding and cleaning here. The contractor has better machines for silage than I'd be able to afford.

05-08-2020 6:02pm

blue5000 wrote: »

+1

That's good value, the few sockets in the box would be a tenner each around here. I use one but you need space to work it, a cordless would be lighter and tidier.

https://www.ebay.co.uk/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_trksid=p2380057.m570.l1311.R1.TR8.TRC2.A0.H0.Xtorque+mul.TRS0&_nkw=torque+multiplier&_sacat=0
Look at the price of the 9th one down:P

Another great option for a pressie is a Leatherman multitool if he hasn't got one already. Wouldn't open any wheel nuts though.

+1 on the torque multiplier.
Ive a few of the inch drive ones that came with the 6 sockets. All the common sizes in one box.
Very good value .

Mooooo · 05-08-2020 6:18pm

Morris Moss wrote: »

A pivot steer is what you need, I've a weidemann 5080t, I've a narrower passage than your 1 and it's no problem to use, no need to sprong any silage either, just push it in with the grab or bucket

How do you find the weidemann? What size shear grab have you on it and what can she lift?

Morris Moss · 05-08-2020 6:42pm

Mooooo wrote: »

How do you find the weidemann? What size shear grab have you on it and what can she lift?

Brilliant, it'll go place you'd never even dream of getting a tractor or even a bigger loader, the shear grab is 5'2 but the reason for that is the narrow passage, it'd handle a bigger one no problem, the most I've ever lifted was a pallet of fert, so 2 tonnes.

raypallas · 05-08-2020 8:13pm

Dinzee Conlee wrote: »

I know little of mechanical things - but the swinging off the bar make me think of one them torque multiplier yokes... Seen a lad use one here to take off a wheel off, when I was expecting the scaffolding bar treatment...

I’ll put it out there and let other say whether they’re any good or not...

Like this (I dunno if this is a good brand or example now or not)
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Hardcastle-Torque-Multiplier-Wrench-Set/dp/B011P3QQBW/ref=asc_df_B011P3QQBW/?tag=googshopuk-21&linkCode=df0&hvadid=226613731662&hvpos=&hvnetw=g&hvrand=2604959948953197973&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvqmt=&hvdev=m&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=20475&hvtargid=pla-711440882584&psc=1

Borrowed one of those torque multipliers lately
to take the back wheel off a tractor, a super job. It was a 1 inch drive, think the ratio was about 1:56. You'd be looking at about the 250 mark for a good one I'd say

zetecescort · 05-08-2020 8:17pm

roosterman71 wrote: »

Stumbled across this video today while looking at something completely different. Brilliant 18 minutes spent looking at the work. And as a man with a Nuffield it made me even more engrossed!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=owPPDj_oH8s

Youtube is great for stuff like that alright. I'm sure there's another one on potatoes with Nuffields

05-08-2020 10:22pm

raypallas wrote: »

Borrowed one of those torque multipliers lately
to take the back wheel off a tractor, a super job. It was a 1 inch drive, think the ratio was about 1:56. You'd be looking at about the 250 mark for a good one I'd say

Ive a cheap one for years and never had an issue with it . It cost 50 euro
They wont get used a huge amount.
Only if the inch air gun fails to open a stud which is extremely rare . I have a selection of cp guns on a compresser running 140 psi.
The other time its used is changing wheels in the field where no compresser is available .

tractorporn · 06-08-2020 8:15pm

Morris Moss wrote: »

A pivot steer is what you need, I've a weidemann 5080t, I've a narrower passage than your 1 and it's no problem to use, no need to sprong any silage either, just push it in with the grab or bucket

I saw a 5080t in Wilson's the last time I was up in Ballymena and I had ruled it out as it looked too big on the ground. I'll have another look and see if I can get one on demo. You see the odd pivot steer second hand too which could be a cheaper option.

Morris Moss · 07-08-2020 10:10am

tractorporn wrote: »

I saw a 5080t in Wilson's the last time I was up in Ballymena and I had ruled it out as it looked too big on the ground. I'll have another look and see if I can get one on demo. You see the odd pivot steer second hand too which could be a cheaper option.

Yeah getting a demo is your best option, even the smaller pivot models would be a good bit more powerful than the 4512, only thing is their hard got second hand.

josephsoap · 07-08-2020 12:38pm

https://www.agriland.ie/farming-news/video-dramatic-scenes-as-tractor-overturns-in-wexford/

Did the driver pull the hand break which might have led the tractor to overturn ?

Mooooo · 07-08-2020 12:58pm

I wonder did the pin come out between the break pedals maybe and only breaked one side going into the turn?

Say my name · 07-08-2020 1:03pm

josephsoap wrote: »

https://www.agriland.ie/farming-news/video-dramatic-scenes-as-tractor-overturns-in-wexford/

Did the driver pull the hand break which might have led the tractor to overturn ?

Looks like there was some sort of grid that caught the left front wheel which it pushed in front of it and automatic four wheel or three wheel drive kicked in. It'd kick in anyway when the brakes are applied and combined with that grid and the turn spun it around and over.

ganmo · 07-08-2020 1:21pm

car up the hole
so didn't want to slow down enough to take the turn correctly
ended up cutting the corner
front left wheel sinks a bit
pushes the rear of the around and over she goes.

thats my summary of it

Reggie. · 07-08-2020 2:00pm

ganmo wrote: »

car up the hole
so didn't want to slow down enough to take the turn correctly
ended up cutting the corner
front left wheel sinks a bit
pushes the rear of the around and over she goes.

thats my summary of it

And the loader up high just helped flip her over

NcdJd · 07-08-2020 2:07pm

Mooooo wrote: »

I wonder did the pin come out between the break pedals maybe and only breaked one side going into the turn?

Or the side breaks weren't locked at all ðŸ˜³

timple23 · 07-08-2020 2:39pm

Maybe track rod broke? Front left wheel looks like driver is trying to countersteer. Seems to be sliding before they hit the grass verge.

Panch18 · 07-08-2020 2:39pm

I reckon it's mechanical failure on the part of the JD, those back brakes are locked up way before it goes over

mythos110 · 07-08-2020 2:49pm

Panch18 wrote: »

I reckon it's mechanical failure on the part of the JD, those back brakes are locked up way before it goes over

Very much doubt it was a mechanical failure but possibly the brakes were not locked as a previous poster says. Looks like a very smooth surface coupled with being wet meant no grip hence the lock up. Loader up to the last a contributing factor here as well (I can never understand why lads do that). Went into a 4 wheel skid (assuming JD's 4-wheel brake).
Best course of action would have been to release the brakes and hit the accelerator and try to keep going straight. This would be second nature to most operators who operate on high or slippy ground but not so easy to react to if you are not used to that situation.

Panch18 · 07-08-2020 3:00pm

mythos110 wrote: »

Very much doubt it was a mechanical failure but possibly the brakes were not locked as a previous poster says. Looks like a very smooth surface coupled with being wet meant no grip hence the lock up. Loader up to the last a contributing factor here as well (I can never understand why lads do that). Went into a 4 wheel skid (assuming JD's 4-wheel brake).
Best course of action would have been to release the brakes and hit the accelerator and try to keep going straight. This would be second nature to most operators who operate on high or slippy ground but not so easy to react to if you are not used to that situation.

why couldn't it be mechanical failure?

I was behind a fendt once and the driver drove for a full mile with the rear left tyre locked up completly - tyre was burnt of the tractor. He was going flat out so had foot on accelerator as opposed to brake.

So that mechanical failure

mythos110 · 07-08-2020 3:10pm

Panch18 wrote: »

why couldn't it be mechanical failure?

I was behind a fendt once and the driver drove for a full mile with the rear left tyre locked up completly - tyre was burnt of the tractor. He was going flat out so had foot on accelerator as opposed to brake.

So that mechanical failure

I didn't say it couldn't be mechanical failure, just that I'd doubt if it was

I reckon there is enough other circumstances there (really smooth tar, wet, speed, loader etc) to say this could have happened to a perfectly functioning tractor. Similar has happened to me in fields where a combination of speed and slippery grass got me into a situation that thankfully to date I was able to react to and drive my way out of. Thankfully not had it on the road though!

minerleague · 07-08-2020 3:31pm

mythos110 wrote: »

I didn't say it couldn't be mechanical failure, just that I'd doubt if it was

I reckon there is enough other circumstances there (really smooth tar, wet, speed, loader etc) to say this could have happened to a perfectly functioning tractor. Similar has happened to me in fields where a combination of speed and slippery grass got me into a situation that thankfully to date I was able to react to and drive my way out of. Thankfully not had it on the road though!

Doesn't the front wheel catch something on the ground?

Reggie. · 07-08-2020 3:48pm

minerleague wrote: »

Doesn't the front wheel catch something on the ground?

Could have been a water dyke

roosterman71 · 07-08-2020 4:43pm

Not sure he hit that dyke, but definitely tried cutting the corner. Nearly cleared the bollard out of it and it's a good bit in off the road

Waffletraktor · 07-08-2020 7:48pm

ganmo wrote: »

car up the hole
so didn't want to slow down enough to take the turn correctly
ended up cutting the corner
front left wheel sinks a bit
pushes the rear of the around and over she goes.

thats my summary of it

Ran out of talent, all the above but i'd add in harsh breaking on the slippery surface.

josephsoap · 07-08-2020 9:24pm

Float position

Seldom take off the front loader here, I have a Mx loader does anyone know how to leave the lift rams in the float position?

So when I go to attach the loader, I drive up the guide rails and the lift rams/frame should then rise and click into attached the loader?

Every time I take the loader off, it never works that way for me

funkey_monkey · 07-08-2020 9:25pm

Any photos of it when it was righted up?
It would be hardly be a right-off would it?

Limestone Cowboy · 07-08-2020 10:10pm

josephsoap wrote: »

Float position

Seldom take off the front loader here, I have a Mx loader does anyone know how to leave the lift rams in the float position?

So when I go to attach the loader, I drive up the guide rails and the lift rams/frame should then rise and click into attached the loader?

Every time I take the loader off, it never works that way for me

I've one here aswell and never had a problem putting it on but it's a balls of a thing to take off. I drive in far enough to hook up the pipework and use the hydraulics to adjust it then. You can put it in float if you shove the joystick fully forward but not when it's not piped up to the tractor.

Gillespy · 07-08-2020 11:35pm

I wouldn't rule out mechanical failure either. Happened to me with a 50hx one time, front hub had enough, locked up and I veered right across the road, pure luck not into traffic. Seems very strange incident for just driver error and speed.

K.G. · 08-08-2020 12:08am

is it a problem with the roadsurface,there is a different surface in the area where he braked and skidded

blue5000 · 08-08-2020 12:44am

I reckon brake pedals were split.

Aska · 09-08-2020 1:41am

The day before

ChuckieEgg · 09-08-2020 11:04am

Question about front loaders

I have brackets fitted to my caseih mx110. I don't know what loader was originally on the Tractor all thats left is the bracket bolted onto the fron of the tractor to take the loader.
Can I fit any loader to these brackets?

emaherx · 09-08-2020 11:10am

ChuckieEgg wrote: »

Question about front loaders

I have brackets fitted to my caseih mx110. I don't know what loader was originally on the Tractor all thats left is the bracket bolted onto the fron of the tractor to take the loader.
Can I fit any loader to these brackets?

No, they are for a specific type of loader. Is there any plates on them anywhere?
you could post a picture, someone here might recognise them.

White Clover · 09-08-2020 11:20am

Aska wrote: »

The day before

Hope the driver is OK. What caused the overturn?

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