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The horrific death of Ana Kriegel

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  • #102
    alane20
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 106 ✭✭alane20


    First of all deepest condolences to the family, as a father of 3 children 2 of which are beautiful little women 7&8 I'm truly worried about life going forward, I'm only 37 but may aswell be 107 when I compare me been 14 to the lads of today,
    I just truly hope the lad/lads at fault for this are on the verge of a mental breakdown thinking every noise they hear is the sound of a cop car pulling up outside, and I beg the judge that they stand in front of is a family man with a daughter of this poor girls age,
    Animals like this are broken, un fixable, please send a clear message and lock these animals away for a long long time,

    This will never offer closure to the family of a beautiful young woman who had the world in front of her, but Jesus Christ please let the courts not add insult to huge grief and devalue her life with a soft touch sentence


  • #103
    Galwayguy35
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,673 ✭✭✭✭Galwayguy35


    If it does turn out that the killer(s) are teenagers then they should be tried as adults if it's legally possible to do this.


  • #104
    uck51js9zml2yt
    Closed Accounts Posts: 18,268 ✭✭✭✭uck51js9zml2yt


    Kermit.de.frog wrote: »
    Jesus, RIP


    Undoubtedly one of the most horrendous murders in the history of the state.


    There will be serious consequences for who did this from this murder either way but if the suspected perpetrator is part of the "new Irish" expect another level of reaction. This type of horror is what gets people really worried.

    It could have been anyone! Their origins are irrelevant. Just look at the Jamie bolger case. 2 young local kids.


  • #105
    tretorn
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,800 ✭✭✭tretorn


    Its not irrelevant if they come from a background where women can be murdered without serious conseuquences.
    Another non national was convicted this week of attacking three women, if he hadnt been caught he would have ended up murdering someone as his attacks were very vicious.

    I dont know whether you are a man tatranska but if you are you dont get to say nationality is irrelevant. It isnt relevant to you if you are a man because you wont be attacked and dragged down a street with a belt around your neck and then tied up with cable because someone thinks women who go out wunccovered and without a man with them is asking to be sexually assaulted. This is what the piece of scum who was convicted this week did, one woman was attacked on her way to work.

    Another woman was harassed on a bus and when she got off the bus she was followed home by her harasser and raped in the hallway of her home, another non national. These people can commit these crimes in their country of origin and no one cares so they think they can come here and do the same.

    If these horrible people are non nationals then this needs to be reported. It needs to be reported so that whatever led to this attack can be investigated and if part of it is cultural attitudes to women then its relevant to the murder enquiry.

    We need to be keeping statistics of ethnic background in cases of attacks on women and if this is not PC then too bad, protecting womens safety has to be the priority here.


  • #106
    Heres Johnny
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,738 ✭✭✭Heres Johnny


    alane20 wrote: »
    First of all deepest condolences to the family, as a father of 3 children 2 of which are beautiful little women 7&8 I'm truly worried about life going forward, I'm only 37 but may aswell be 107 when I compare me been 14 to the lads of today,
    I just truly hope the lad/lads at fault for this are on the verge of a mental breakdown thinking every noise they hear is the sound of a cop car pulling up outside, and I beg the judge that they stand in front of is a family man with a daughter of this poor girls age,
    Animals like this are broken, un fixable, please send a clear message and lock these animals away for a long long time,

    This will never offer closure to the family of a beautiful young woman who had the world in front of her, but Jesus Christ please let the courts not add insult to huge grief and devalue her life with a soft touch sentence

    It's an isolated incident. Most lads of 14 today are the same as me and you were. Im 37 too. There were always people capable of this around. 1994 when we were 14 was around the Jamie Bulger time. There was a teenager that killed and crucified (yes, on a cross) a younger child in the attic of a house in Palmerstown only down the road in the late 60s or 70s.
    So I don't think it's like it's going to be common in the future or anything. It probably will happen again and it's the worst thing that could have possibly happened to that family but I don't think it's going to be more common.


  • #107
    Are Am Eye
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,166 ✭✭✭Are Am Eye


    JaMarcus wrote: »
    Has there ever been such a case in this country before?

    In 1974 there was a murder in Palmerstown seven year old victim and culprit was ~fifteen
    If the culprit is someone of that age (13/14) - what usually happens? Is there a precedent? Genuine questions as I've no idea how this could play out.

    Over the age of twelve they can be charged and convicted of a criminal offence.

    Age of Criminal Responsibility
    On 16 October 2006, under the Children Act 2001, the age of criminal responsibility was effectively raised from 7 to 12 years. Under the new provisions, no child under the age of 12 years can be charged with an offence. An exception is made for 10 and 11 year-olds charged with very serious offences, such as unlawful killing, a rape offence or aggravated sexual assault. In addition, the Director of Public Prosecutions must give consent for any child under the age of 14 years to be charged.[


  • #108
    Sundew
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,554 ✭✭✭Sundew


    dublinbuster wrote: »
    Why cant we have a referendum on the death penalty, a 3 strikes law or proper serious hard time in jail for criminals.
    We did around 2002.....the public voted to remove the death penalty off the statue books. I recall voting to keep it. New Superjail is so badly needed. Dangerous criminals need to be locked up for a very very long time and not come through the revolving door system. I can’t think of anything worse then loosing a loved one in a violent manner and not getting proper justice in this country.


  • #109
    pjohnson
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,137 ✭✭✭✭pjohnson


    tretorn wrote: »
    Its not irrelevant if they come from a background where women can be murdered without serious conseuquences.
    Another non national was convicted this week of attacking three women, if he hadnt been caught he would have ended up murdering someone as his attacks were very vicious.

    I dont know whether you are a man tatranska but if you are you dont get to say nationality is irrelevant. It isnt relevant to you if you are a man because you wont be attacked and dragged down a street with a belt around your neck and then tied up with cable because someone thinks women who go out wunccovered and without a man with them is asking to be sexually assaulted. This is what the piece of scum who was convicted this week did, one woman was attacked on her way to work.

    Another woman was harassed on a bus and when she got off the bus she was followed home by her harasser and raped in the hallway of her home, another non national. These people can commit these crimes in their country of origin and no one cares so they think they can come here and do the same.

    If these horrible people are non nationals then this needs to be reported. It needs to be reported so that whatever led to this attack can be investigated and if part of it is cultural attitudes to women then its relevant to the murder enquiry.

    We need to be keeping statistics of ethnic background in cases of attacks on women and if this is not PC then too bad, protecting womens safety has to be the priority here.

    Congratulations. Darwin award incoming.


  • #110
    Snake Plisken
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    If he is 13, he was able to go home and act normally and go to school for 3 days without any remorse for what he did, that says to me that he is a dangerous physcopath!
    Some comments on Facebook blaming Videogames but I think it’s more down to the violent degrading porn that they are watching online that makes them think it’s ok to threat girls this way.
    He probably won’t be trialed as an adult and will be out and about within 5 or 6 years Free time do something like this again.


  • #111
    Tipsy McSwagger
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,068 ✭✭✭Tipsy McSwagger


    ThinkProgress wrote: »
    Innocent people die all the time. Unfortunate fact of life...

    But that still doesn't alter the fact that guilty people, who commit disgusting crimes, need to be punished. And punishment needs to match the crime!

    I also have 2 names for you: Robert Thompson and Jon Venables!

    What possible good comes from having people like that still alive and potentially walking the streets? (and in this part of the world, it is highly likely that this young Girl's killer(s) will walk the streets again - sadly)

    Do these innocent people who die all the time get sentenced to death for a crime they haven’t committed?


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  • #112
    pjohnson
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    Tipsy McSwagger wrote: »
    Do these innocent people who die all the time get sentenced to death for a crime they haven’t committed?

    Ah dont worry. No one will face consequences for this anyway.


  • #113
    flazio
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,253 ✭✭✭✭flazio


    Snake Plisken wrote: »
    If he is 13, he was able to go home and act normally and go to school for 3 days without any remorse for what he did, that says to me that he is a dangerous physcopath!
    Some comments on Facebook blaming Videogames but I think it’s more down to the violent degrading porn that they are watching online that makes them think it’s ok to threat girls this way.
    He probably won’t be trialed as an adult and will be out and about within 5 or 6 years Free time do something like this again.
    You seem to think that there is no chance of even attempting rehabilitation, without even knowing the individual involved. The person is sick in the head no doubt, but rather than just lock them up and just forget their existence for whatever amount of years, someone has the job of finding out why and to find out if there's a way to dig out the remorse for what they've done. If there isn't then absolutely keep them away from society for the rest of their lives but maybe with therapy and strong medication, there could be a way back. Of course it'd have to be far away from the scene of the crime.
    I know there is no way back for the family of that poor girl but vengeance is never justice.


  • #114
    Wombatman
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    The Mirror seem to be trying to bring bad taste to a new level.

    https://www.irishmirror.ie/news/irish-news/tragic-schoolgirl-anastasia-kriegel-lured-12559199
    Officers hope an expected treasure trove of DNA from the makeshift weapons used to kill Ana will identify the killers.

    A "treasure trove of DNA". FFS.


  • #115
    Franz Von Peppercorn
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,070 ✭✭✭Franz Von Peppercorn


    ChikiChiki wrote: »
    *If thats the case then we could be on uncharted waters. I cannot think of similar anyway. My own opinion is if one human can do such a thing to another they should spend a lifetime in confinement in the interests of justice and public safety without a seconds thought. They are likely beyond redemption.

    The British have a concept of life within parole even for under 18s. Here I doubt if he will get 5 years.


  • #116
    Collie D
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    If her killer is as young as is being speculated do we have any history of trying juveniles as adults in this country?

    I'd imagine there are going to be some big legal and ethical decisions for the Guards and DPP to face.


  • #117
    BarryD2
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    Snake Plisken wrote: »
    If he is 13, he was able to go home and act normally and go to school for 3 days without any remorse for what he did, that says to me that he is a dangerous physcopath!
    ....

    He probably won’t be trialed as an adult and will be out and about within 5 or 6 years Free time do something like this again.
    Franz Von Peppercorn wrote: »
    The British have a concept of life within parole even for under 18s. Here I doubt if he will get 5 years.

    Why assume it's a he? Has someone been arrested? Likely but we should never assume. Gangs of girls or lads can both be prone to violence as has been seen before.


  • #118
    anewme
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,021 ✭✭✭✭anewme


    flazio wrote: »
    You seem to think that there is no chance of even attempting rehabilitation, without even knowing the individual involved. The person is sick in the head no doubt, but rather than just lock them up and just forget their existence for whatever amount of years, someone has the job of finding out why and to find out if there's a way to dig out the remorse for what they've done. If there isn't then absolutely keep them away from society for the rest of their lives but maybe with therapy and strong medication, there could be a way back. Of course it'd have to be far away from the scene of the crime.
    I know there is no way back for the family of that poor girl but vengeance is never justice.

    Concerns in the first instance should be with the family, no tears or worries about making sure the hateful individual responsible for this is rehabilitated and given therapy and medication.

    .


  • #119
    Heres Johnny
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,738 ✭✭✭Heres Johnny


    BarryD2 wrote: »
    Snake Plisken wrote: »
    If he is 13, he was able to go home and act normally and go to school for 3 days without any remorse for what he did, that says to me that he is a dangerous physcopath!
    ....

    He probably won’t be trialed as an adult and will be out and about within 5 or 6 years Free time do something like this again.
    Franz Von Peppercorn wrote: »
    The British have a concept of life within parole even for under 18s. Here I doubt if he will get 5 years.

    Why assume it's a he? Has someone been arrested? Likely but we should never assume. Gangs of girls or lads can both be prone to violence as has been seen before.

    It is a boy


  • #120
    ThinkProgress
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    Tipsy McSwagger wrote: »
    Do these innocent people who die all the time get sentenced to death for a crime they haven’t committed?

    So, because the legal system sometimes makes mistakes... your response to this, is to NEVER properly punish anyone who is found guilty of a serious crime!? :o

    The legal system doesn't work on absolutes... rarely anyway. It's beyond reasonable doubt. So there is usually always some potential for mistakes.

    But people found guilty still need to be punished correctly. And for some crimes, the correct punishment is death.


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  • #121
    Are Am Eye
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,166 ✭✭✭Are Am Eye


    Collie D wrote: »
    If her killer is as young as is being speculated do we have any history of trying juveniles as adults in this country?

    I'd imagine there are going to be some big legal and ethical decisions for the Guards and DPP to face.

    With a juvenile before the Courts there would be restrictions on public reporting by the media. Like all juvenile hearings they would be held in camera Names wouldn't be given out in the media.

    The legal definitions of Crimes such as murder, rape or section 4 of the NFOAP do not take account of age. In other words a fifteen year old committing murder is the same as a thirty five year old doing so.

    What is different is how our Courts, Prison System and Health(Mental) System deal with a Juvenile.


  • #122
    PowerToWait
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    BarryD2 wrote: »
    Why assume it's a he? Has someone been arrested? Likely but we should never assume. Gangs of girls or lads can both be prone to violence as has been seen before.

    Some on here are assuming / hoping it's someone who is not ethnically Irish.

    As if that'll make it somehow worse.


  • #123
    Tipsy McSwagger
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,068 ✭✭✭Tipsy McSwagger


    ThinkProgress wrote: »
    So, because the legal system sometimes makes mistakes... your response to this, is to NEVER properly punish anyone who is found guilty of a serious crime!? :o

    The legal system doesn't work on absolutes... rarely anyway. It's beyond reasonable doubt. So there is usually always some potential for mistakes.

    But people found guilty still need to be punished correctly. And for some crimes, the correct punishment is death.

    Could you point out where I have said this?


  • #124
    Heres Johnny
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,738 ✭✭✭Heres Johnny


    PowerToWait wrote: »
    BarryD2 wrote: »
    Why assume it's a he? Has someone been arrested? Likely but we should never assume. Gangs of girls or lads can both be prone to violence as has been seen before.

    Some on here are assuming / hoping it's someone who is not ethnically Irish.

    As if that'll make it somehow worse.

    I was hoping it was someone 18 so they're tried as an adult but doesn't look that way.
    Doesn't really matter to the family of it was a 13 year old Irish classmate or a 30 year old immigrant and it shouldn't matter to us either pressing any agendas we have.


  • #125
    PowerToWait
    Registered Users Posts: 1,789 ✭✭✭PowerToWait


    Heres Johnny wrote: »
    I was hoping it was someone 18 so they're tried as an adult but doesn't look that way.
    Doesn't really matter to the family of it was a 13 year old Irish classmate or a 30 year old immigrant and it shouldn't matter to us either pressing any agendas we have.

    That is entirely my point.


  • #126
    ThinkProgress
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,634 ✭✭✭ThinkProgress


    Tipsy McSwagger wrote: »
    Could you point out where I have said this?

    Sure... you don't agree with the death penalty, because it's possible that an innocent person could be put to death.

    Our legal system is not perfect. But that doesn't mean we should hand down soft lenient sentences, just because of that fact.

    The answer is to improve the legal system, so that a lower % of innocent people get convicted.... But at the same time, we should continue to hand down severe sentences for serious crimes!

    Some serious crimes deserve the death sentence. Such a sentence is often in the best interest of public safety!


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  • #127
    emo72
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    Live local to this. I'm sure the police will work out what happened. Already heard rumours of a man in his 20s, then 2 teenage girls. Now a teenage boy.

    Goes to show how rumours get legs and the truth is we know nothing yet.

    I do actually think this is one of the worst murders ever.
    Devastating for the area.


  • #128
    Franz Von Peppercorn
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,070 ✭✭✭Franz Von Peppercorn


    BarryD2 wrote: »
    Why assume it's a he? Has someone been arrested? Likely but we should never assume. Gangs of girls or lads can both be prone to violence as has been seen before.

    the same sources that say it’s a 13 year old say it is a boy


  • #129
    Wanderer78
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,909 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    ThinkProgress wrote:
    Some serious crimes deserve the death sentence. Such a sentence is often in the best interest of public safety!


    Disagree there, the death sentence is barbaric, but I will admit, some individuals are probably unrehabilitatable


  • #130
    iamwhoiam
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,155 ✭✭✭✭iamwhoiam


    Franz Von Peppercorn wrote: »
    the same sources that say it’s a -3 year old day it is a boy

    Pure speculation going on in this thread since last night . Then we get the chinese whispers and bits added on . So far no one has been arrested .


  • #131
    Ray Donovan
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,015 ✭✭✭Ray Donovan


    tretorn wrote: »
    Its not irrelevant if they come from a background where women can be murdered without serious conseuquences.
    Another non national was convicted this week of attacking three women, if he hadnt been caught he would have ended up murdering someone as his attacks were very vicious.

    I dont know whether you are a man tatranska but if you are you dont get to say nationality is irrelevant. It isnt relevant to you if you are a man because you wont be attacked and dragged down a street with a belt around your neck and then tied up with cable because someone thinks women who go out wunccovered and without a man with them is asking to be sexually assaulted. This is what the piece of scum who was convicted this week did, one woman was attacked on her way to work.

    Another woman was harassed on a bus and when she got off the bus she was followed home by her harasser and raped in the hallway of her home, another non national. These people can commit these crimes in their country of origin and no one cares so they think they can come here and do the same.

    If these horrible people are non nationals then this needs to be reported. It needs to be reported so that whatever led to this attack can be investigated and if part of it is cultural attitudes to women then its relevant to the murder enquiry.

    We need to be keeping statistics of ethnic background in cases of attacks on women and if this is not PC then too bad, protecting womens safety has to be the priority here.

    Couldnt agree more. And just for clarity this is what we are up against... http://www.thejournal.ie/man-rape-followed-home-3848981-Feb2018/?amp=1


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  • #132
    ThinkProgress
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    Wanderer78 wrote: »
    Disagree there, the death sentence is barbaric, but I will admit, some individuals are probably unrehabilitatable

    If this girl had been attacked and killed by a dog... would you consider it barbaric to end that dog's life?

    Yet humans, as animals, are capable of far greater cruelty and premeditation than any other animal.

    This girl wasn't just killed. It appears she was put through a cruel ordeal, before she died.

    My point is, some humans are far worse than animals. Yet it's somehow "barbaric" to end their life!? Doesn't make much sense to me...


  • #133
    Beechwoodspark
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    Ray Donovan wrote: »
    Couldnt agree more. And just for clarity this is what we are up against... http://www.thejournal.ie/man-rape-followed-home-3848981-Feb2018/?amp=1

    Sorry but where is this speculation about non nationals coming from


  • #134
    pjohnson
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    Beechwoodspark wrote: »
    Sorry but where is this speculation about non nationals coming from

    Their holes mainly. Its always the foreigners fault.


  • #135
    corner of hells
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,409 ✭✭✭corner of hells


    Beechwoodspark wrote: »
    Sorry but where is this speculation about non nationals coming from

    From sad xenophobic inbreds.


  • #136
    Wanderer78
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,909 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    ThinkProgress wrote: »
    If this girl had been attacked and killed by a dog... would you consider it barbaric to end that dog's life?

    Yet humans, as animals, are capable of far greater cruelty and premeditation than any other animal.

    This girl wasn't just killed. It appears she was put through a cruel ordeal, before she died.

    My point is, some humans are far worse than animals. Yet it's somehow "barbaric" to end their life!? Doesn't make much sense to me...

    fair point, but again, i disagree, humans can indeed behave in very disturbing ways, such as this case, but killing a killer doesnt actually solve these kind of complex social issues. we must try understand why some behave in such ways, try rehabilitate them, if possible, in order to try prevent it from happening again, not just with the individual(s) involved, but we other potential murderers in society. this process cannot be done with creating another dead person.


  • #137
    Heres Johnny
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    I've nothing against xenophobia actually its everyone's right to not like whoever they want and nobody is going to tell me which groups to like and not like, I'll make my own mind up there thanks, but when a crime is committed and nobody has any clue who did it I'd gladly put money on it being an Irish person.
    Statistically it's highly unlikely to be a foreign person.


  • #138
    Mokuba
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    Deeply upsetting.

    It's horrifying to me to imagine her last few minutes of life.


  • #139
    wakka12
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    TomSweeney wrote: »
    I can't believe this happened in Ireland, and worse the way people aren't that shocked anymore, murder has become too much the norm nowadays.


    RIP

    People are very shocked


  • #140
    Suckit
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,211 ✭✭✭✭Suckit


    Everything about this that i have heard just keeps sounding more and more disturbing.
    I do not know how this poor girl must have felt, no doubt being ridiculed as she was being killed. :mad::mad::mad:

    On the surface, this is nearly the exact same way that Jamie Bulger was murdered.
    If this does turn out that another child or children murdered the poor girl, they should be tried as adults and serve maximum time in prison.

    I remember the anger of the locals smashing the van as the Jon Venables and Robert Thompson were being taken away. They were very lucky that the police caught them first.
    https://youtu.be/upiTb6ZfJa0?t=483


  • #141
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    well she was led there or went feeling unthreatened anyway which means she knew them well. wasn't that a local hang out or kissing spot as they say?
    If she was abducted then she'd have been found far far away if at all. According to descriptions of the scene, it was done in blind rage so if it was another girl/girls there'll be acrimony splashed on her and their social media, threat of stealing a boy and the likes, her friends will know if anyone had it in for her and I think it will be wrapped up very soon. Is it too hard to imagine it was kids?? if you look at the feral scumbags posting videos of hurting people on line daily?? absolute dirt.
    I see an arrest soon I think because to leave bloodied sticks and rocks, whilst stripping her of her clothes, all at the scene, smacks of someone who didn't plan for it to end that way.


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  • #142
    Franz Von Peppercorn
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,070 ✭✭✭Franz Von Peppercorn


    Britain can detain teenagers for life (its detention not prison) and that’s in the sentencing.

    Politicians used to be able to decide to keep people imprisoned at their discretion for life sentences but that was overturned by the ECHR. Actually one of the killers of bulger took the case.


  • #143
    Franz Von Peppercorn
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,070 ✭✭✭Franz Von Peppercorn


    I really don’t know the law in Ireland for juveniles. Anybody care to comment.


  • #144
    Tipsy McSwagger
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,068 ✭✭✭Tipsy McSwagger


    ThinkProgress wrote: »
    Sure... you don't agree with the death penalty, because it's possible that an innocent person could be put to death.

    Our legal system is not perfect. But that doesn't mean we should hand down soft lenient sentences, just because of that fact.

    The answer is to improve the legal system, so that a lower % of innocent people get convicted.... But at the same time, we should continue to hand down severe sentences for serious crimes!

    Some serious crimes deserve the death sentence. Such a sentence is often in the best interest of public safety!

    As I knew you couldn’t


  • #145
    Infini
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    I've only seen some of this myself. RIP to the poor girl. Hope they hunt down these twisted little scrotes and lock em up for the rest of their days.


  • #146
    Captain Obvious
    Registered Users Posts: 4,165 ✭✭✭Captain Obvious


    Franz Von Peppercorn wrote: »
    I really don’t know the law in Ireland for juveniles. Anybody care to comment.


    The age of criminal responsibility is 12, 10 for murder and rape. Above the age of 12 they are subject to the same laws as adults. Generally a child will first be referred to the Juvenile Diversion program and if found unsuitable will be sent for prosecution in the Childrens Court. For cases of murder and rape these are sent forward to the Central Criminal Court. There are procedural differences in regards to reporting, questioning and the likes but the process is much the same as an adult trial.


  • #147
    not yet
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,008 ✭✭✭not yet


    Poor, poor child. I know I could not continue living while the bastard who murdered my child was still breathing, regardless of age. I hope her family find someway of dealing with this horrible, vile murder that has happened their family.


  • #148
    tretorn
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,800 ✭✭✭tretorn


    Beechwoodspark wrote: »
    Sorry but where is this speculation about non nationals coming from

    Em, the number of non nationals appearing before our courts on very serious sexual assault charges against women.

    Its the same as saying travellers are responsible for most of the crimes committed against elderly people in their homes. Travellers are mostly responsible for the burglaries committed off the M%) too.

    This is not to say all travellers are burglars but statisically a traveller is more likely to be a burglar than not.

    People who grow up in societies where people are treated badly are statisically more likely to sexually assault women who are alone going about their daily business.


  • #149
    KathleenGrant
    Registered Users Posts: 3,786 ✭✭✭KathleenGrant


    tretorn wrote: »
    Its not irrelevant if they come from a background where women can be murdered without serious conseuquences.

    If they are non-nationals they came here for a reason, to work, to draw social welfare, to leave another life behind. They knew enough about this country to come here, being from a different culture is a bull**** excuse.


  • #150
    uck51js9zml2yt
    Closed Accounts Posts: 18,268 ✭✭✭✭uck51js9zml2yt


    All some people here are short of doing in getting a lynch mob organised and arriving in leixlip to hang Johnny foreigner or some unsuspecting traveller.

    Will you get a grip of yourselves?

    You can be sure someone associated with this girls family will see this sh1te and it's not pleasant reading.


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  • #151
    splinter65
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,420 ✭✭✭splinter65


    pjohnson wrote: »
    Congratulations. Darwin award incoming.

    You don’t accept that there are countries in the world where the rape and violent murder of women by men goes largely unpunished?


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