Covid19 Part XVII-24,841 in ROI (1,639 deaths) 4,679 in NI (518 deaths)(28/05)Read OP

06-05-2020 8:03am

mandrake04 wrote: »

That will most probably happen, if (when ever that is) the battle is won to contain the virus it would be absolute madness to waste 2-3 months lockdown by letting someone in to start an outbreak all over again. Harris had already hinted that overseas holidays for 2020 are 'highly unlikely' and thats politician speak for they are definitely canned and there's no chance of any tourists arriving either.

The EU will likely close it’s borders. I don’t see Ireland closing its borders to the EU & UK, or requiring mandatory quarantine for EU / UK travellers (France’s quarantine position, and the stated intent of Italy and Spain re. tourism, being evidence of this)

Stheno · 06-05-2020 8:25am

wakka12 wrote: »

Almost 250 deaths in Mexico today..bit unexpected. Is there a lockdown in Mexico at the moment?

Yes and pretty strict too

Mexico city hospitals are overwhelmed

celt262 · 06-05-2020 8:29am

smelly sock wrote: »

https://www.thejournal.ie/possible-covid-19-case-in-france-in-december-5092142-May2020/

I think we are all coming around to the fact that Covid-19 was in Europe and our country longer than we have been aware. Science now starting to confirm this.

Been posted several times already.

If it was around and as contagious as it is why where hospitals not overrun months ago?

smelly sock · 06-05-2020 8:32am

celt262 wrote: »

Been posted several times already.

If it was around and as contagious as it is why where hospitals not overrun months ago?

Because i dont think it impacts a good portion of society in a way that requires hospitalisation.

I think we'd be naive to think we dont have a lot more positive cases than our actual figures and that a lot of people just havent gotten tested.
A number of reasons for this with the main being that symptoms have been so mild in many they didnt know they had it.

Polar101 · 06-05-2020 8:49am

smelly sock wrote: »

Because i dont think it impacts a good portion of society in a way that requires hospitalisation.

I think we'd be naive to think we dont have a lot more positive cases than our actual figures and that a lot of people just havent gotten tested.
A number of reasons for this with the main being that symptoms have been so mild in many they didnt know they had it.

That's a lot of conclusions from one possible case in France. Definitely needs more investigation in different countries, so far there's not much evidence other than the French case, and random people thinking they had it earlier.

timsey tiger · 06-05-2020 8:51am

celt262 wrote: »

Been posted several times already.

If it was around and as contagious as it is why where hospitals not overrun months ago?

You are waisting your time here.

If somebody believes up is down, you won't be able to convince them that it is actually up.

Mike3287 · 06-05-2020 9:02am

Polar101 wrote: »

That's a lot of conclusions from one possible case in France. Definitely needs more investigation in different countries, so far there's not much evidence other than the French case, and random people thinking they had it earlier.

It doesn't seem very likely that it wasnt here

A mild virus with a high RO widespread in a region that flies out 1.5 million passengers per month who didnt stop flights till 60 days after discovery

How could it not have spread to western world?

Did the Virus like Wuhan so much it stuck around for 60 days and not get on flights?

Either it was spreading globally or its not as contagious as we think

Good news anyway French case

timsey tiger · 06-05-2020 9:06am

https://www.cnn.com/2020/05/05/health/genetics-coronavirus-spread-study/index.html

CNN story about, genetic diversity in the sarscov-2 and how this let's us know how long it has been circulating in the human population.

""This rules out any scenario that assumes SARSCoV-2 may have been in circulation long before it was identified, and hence have already infected large proportions of the population," Balloux's team wrote in their report, published in the journal Infection, Genetics and Evolution."

Jackman25 · 06-05-2020 9:14am

AdamD wrote: »

Jesus, every single one of your posts - which are opinions, you post as facts. Incredibly grating.

Agreed. Its really annoying.
The bigger the spoofer, the more certain they are of their predictions like any pyramid scheme salesman. All attention-seeking.

timsey tiger · 06-05-2020 9:18am

Polar101 wrote: »

I feel Austria is one country we shouldn't take any pointers from - they kept the ski resorts open for way too long despite being told "hey, we found a lot of virus infections from people who visited Tyrol". Maybe they've learned now, but they were a big contributor in the early spread of the virus.

I disagree, sure they didn't have a good start, but they have upped their game considerably, we can all improve and with so many approaches being tried there are plenty of lessons to be learned. The biggest mistake is assuming one single approach is the best one, as no two countries or even points in time are the same.

caveat emptor · 06-05-2020 9:24am

Knock on from a different virus circulating in China.

Mass Pig Deaths in China Cause Short Supply of U.S. Blood Thinner

A Chinese outbreak of African swine fever that has killed millions of pigs in the country has also led to falling U.S. supplies of a widely used drug derived from the animals, the anti-clotting drug heparin.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-08-30/mass-chinese-pig-deaths-cause-short-supply-of-u-s-blood-thinner

the.red.baron · 06-05-2020 9:26am

smelly sock wrote: »

https://www.thejournal.ie/possible-covid-19-case-in-france-in-december-5092142-May2020/

I think we are all coming around to the fact that Covid-19 was in Europe and our country longer than we have been aware. Science now starting to confirm this.

if they can re-test this patient they can re-test many more

so have they

Polar101 · 06-05-2020 9:26am

Mike3287 wrote: »

Either it was spreading globally or its not as contagious as we think

Good news anyway French case

Yeah, obviously it would be great if what we had in March-April was the "next, worse wave". More discoveries will be made, and then we'll have a better idea on what went on.

mandrake04 · 06-05-2020 9:30am

Deleted User wrote: »

The EU will likely close it’s borders. I don’t see Ireland closing its borders to the EU & UK, or requiring mandatory quarantine for EU / UK travellers (France’s quarantine position, and the stated intent of Italy and Spain re. tourism, being evidence of this)

If that’s a case then the current lockdown is a complete waste of time, if there’s no quarantine and no closed borders to other European basket cases then expect many future lockdowns or health system tipping over.

Can’t have it both ways.

06-05-2020 9:31am

smelly sock wrote: »

Because i dont think it impacts a good portion of society in a way that requires hospitalisation.

I think we'd be naive to think we dont have a lot more positive cases than our actual figures and that a lot of people just havent gotten tested.
A number of reasons for this with the main being that symptoms have been so mild in many they didnt know they had it.

The wife of the Paris case from December 27th worked at Charles de Gaulle Airport. 3 direct Air France flights from Wuhan landed in Charles de Gaulle Airport every week in December. I think this fact supports that it was an initial slow spread out of Wuhan rather than it being widespread in Europe long before February

ChelseaRentBoy · 06-05-2020 9:35am

Horrible and worrying.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/kawasaki-disease-15-children-hospitalized-new-york-city-coronavirus-link/

And to think some idiots wanted schools back this month.

06-05-2020 9:36am

caveat emptor wrote: »

Knock on from a different virus circulating in China.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-08-30/mass-chinese-pig-deaths-cause-short-supply-of-u-s-blood-thinner

I hope the supplier don't do what they did when this happened before and substitute fake ingredients
https://www.chicagotribune.com/business/ct-xpm-2011-06-09-ct-biz-0610-baxter-heparin-20110609-story.html

ChelseaRentBoy · 06-05-2020 9:37am

smelly sock wrote: »

https://www.thejournal.ie/possible-covid-19-case-in-france-in-december-5092142-May2020/

I think we are all coming around to the fact that Covid-19 was in Europe and our country longer than we have been aware. Science now starting to confirm this.

Irish scientists ?

road_high · 06-05-2020 9:42am

ChelseaRentBoy wrote: »

Horrible and worrying.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/kawasaki-disease-15-children-hospitalized-new-york-city-coronavirus-link/

And to think some idiots wanted schools back this month.

That would make most of Europe idiots then, aren't most of their schools going back/back now or soon? But sure what would they know

06-05-2020 9:48am

ChelseaRentBoy wrote: »

Horrible and worrying.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/kawasaki-disease-15-children-hospitalized-new-york-city-coronavirus-link/

And to think some idiots wanted schools back this month.

Kawasaki disease is a very rare post viral complication that appears to be caused by the bodies own immune response. Given the fact that we are in the midst of a pandemic and with the likes of New York having hundreds of thousands of confirmed cases and almost certainly >> 1 million actual cases, it may simply be a case that the large number of viral infections occurring at the same time have caused a spike in instances of Kawasaki occurring simultaneously rather than spread out over time due to the condition being triggered by covid. Instances of KD in the US is estimated at between 17.6 and 20.8 cases per 100,000, and given far in excess of 100,000 kids are likely to have contracted the virus in New York, 15 cases may not actually represent and overall increase.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5856963/

eagle eye · 06-05-2020 9:50am

AdamD wrote:

Jesus, every single one of your posts - which are opinions, you post as facts. Incredibly grating.

Most of his posts have been very good. An excellent contributor all through this thing.
And he obviously cares about lives over money as do I.

And all we have to do is remain in our semi-lockdown for another couple of weeks and we'll see if it's safe to to move forward with a phased re-opening. Spain are the guinea pigs for the second wave and we'll start to see results of that in about ten days.,

06-05-2020 9:51am

mandrake04 wrote: »

If that’s a case then the current lockdown is a complete waste of time, if there’s no quarantine and no closed borders to other European basket cases then expect many future lockdowns or health system tipping over.

Can’t have it both ways.

That’s an irrational fear in my view, given that the trajectory of the virus in every EU country is going the right way. And I don’t see our government going against the EU with respect to border control.

It’s not like people will be travelling tomorrow, other than essential trips where families are spread across borders, as nothing is open anywhere. We are talking the summer at the earliest, and even then will be a slow start.

Boggles · 06-05-2020 9:52am

spookwoman wrote: »

uk ranked 2nd for deaths

It's hardly surprising.

The stiff upper lip pandemic response was never a runner.

Christy42 · 06-05-2020 9:55am

road_high wrote: »

That would make most of Europe idiots then, aren't most of their schools going back/back now or soon? But sure what would they know

The EU has had a falling number of active cases for over a week at this point. The US is still increasing in the number of active cases. And indeed has over double the EU number inspite of the EU having a larger population. Similarly EU cases and deaths are far smaller in recent days than the US.

El Weirdo · 06-05-2020 9:56am

learner161 wrote: »

We closed borders in 2001 so why couldn't we do it again.

We did? For what?

DOCARCH · 06-05-2020 9:58am

El Weirdo wrote: »

We did? For what?

Foot and Mouth Disease.

Inquitus · 06-05-2020 9:59am

Miike wrote: »

May also be related to the fact not a lot of funerals happening and this is a way disseminating the fact someone has passed.

I was of the opinion pretty much every death these days went on RIP.ie, no?

Snow Garden · 06-05-2020 9:59am

Are the ladies more worried about dying or dyeing during this pandemic?

zinfandel · 06-05-2020 10:01am

Stheno wrote: »

Testing criteria relaxed no longer need to be in a priority group just sudden onset of symptoms

Also very low positive rate testing last week, think they said 3%

as a matter of interest, anyone know how much a single test costs from administering to final result?

podgeandrodge · 06-05-2020 10:04am

Snow Garden wrote: »

Are the ladies more worried about dying or dyeing during this pandemic?

My wife did ask me how Sharon Ni B on the RTE News seemed to have her blond highlights (I think, don't really understand this stuff) done, was she getting RTE hairdressers or who to do it. Maybe they can do highlights themselves...

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