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Covid19 Part XVII-24,841 in ROI (1,639 deaths) 4,679 in NI (518 deaths)(28/05)Read OP

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    #62
    Eod100
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    Just copped that UK due to review restrictions this week and announce roadmap on Sunday/early next week. Timing for Telegraph's story on chief science officer seems more of a coincidence now. Not to be conspiracy theory minded but timing does seem interesting.


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    #63
    igCorcaigh
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    Very sensible recommendations here.

    BBC News - Coronavirus: UK warned to avoid climate change crisis
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-52547885


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    #64
    MipMap
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    kaymin wrote: »
    That increase was concentrated in the migrant community where they live in cramped conditions where keeping a social distance is next to impossible. Singapore's experience doesn't mean social distancing alone is an inadequate response.
    When this outbreak started we all got into what was called the "containment phase"
    The basis of this was Hand Washing, Respiratory Hygiene and Social Distancing and Testing and Contact Tracing.
    It didn't work.
    Countries all over Europe one by one failed with these measures and had to resort to Lockdown. Social Distancing alone did not work.

    We are all now going to try again.
    If we want to succeed this time we need new tools to work with. Here's what we have.

    Slicker Testing And Tracing
    Face Masks-Sorry "Coverings"
    Staggered Unlocking of Restrictions
    Heightened Public Awareness.

    That's it. Not much more than we had before.

    We need Anti-Virals. Anti-Inflammatories. Anti-Body tests. Faster, Easier, Cheaper virus tests and, ultimately a Vaccine.
    All these things are being worked on. In the meantime we need to buy time.


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    #65
    igCorcaigh
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    threeball wrote: »
    Sweden are now claiming they'll achieve herd immunity in stockholm in a month. Sounds like complete BS given the numbers they are giving for cases and deaths.

    Without serology testing, I doubt that claim as well.


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    #66
    V8 Interceptor
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    To what end? Blame someone or something, or say we're great at something? Each country is unique in how it's affected and what the response should have been.

    It seems handy that because we're not measuring up that 'you can't compare'. I suspect if we were measuring up favourably you lads would be comparing us to every place from Lapland to Timbuktu.


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    #67
    V8 Interceptor
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    Lol!


    https://twitter.com/FintanYTWalsh/status/1257252935177830402


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    #68
    Peanut Butter Jelly
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    Stheno wrote: »
    On your first point, I have to agree, I'd love to know what prompted him to tweet what he did and how they modelled. Did they use the now discredited Imperial Coege model?

    When was it discredited? Genuine question


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    #69
    speckle
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    Oíche mhaith agus coladh sámh all. Here's hoping that this thread brings us, some brighter news.


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    #70
    ACitizenErased
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    V8 Interceptor wrote: »
    Lol!


    https://twitter.com/FintanYTWalsh/status/1257252935177830402
    Yeah Jacinda, we'll just move to the Pacific Ocean 900 miles from any other land mass. Cheers. She'd wanna watch her words before she says something she'll regret in a few months.


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    #71
    Away With The Fairies
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    ACitizenErased wrote: »
    Yeah Jacinda, we'll just move to the Pacific Ocean 900 miles from any other land mass. Cheers. She'd wanna watch her words before she says something she'll regret in a few months.

    Nobody allowed to say a bad word about Ireland?


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    #72
    Stheno
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    Peanut Butter Jelly wrote: »
    When was it discredited? Genuine question

    https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cnbc.com/amp/2020/04/17/influential-covid-19-model-uses-flawed-methods-and-shouldnt-guide-us-policies-critics-say.html

    One of many articles


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    #73
    The_Brood
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    Complete joke how virtually no one in Dublin is wearing masks and the government has not called for it. Every country that has enforced wearing masks has seen cases drop significantly. Absolutely 0 point to an economic lockdown that destroys the economy if you are not taking strong measures to reduce the spread of the virus. Social distancing is nowhere near enough, masks are needed.

    This country has damned itself.


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    #74
    wakka12
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    The_Brood wrote: »
    Complete joke how virtually no one in Dublin is wearing masks and the government has not called for it. Every country that has enforced wearing masks has seen cases drop significantly. Absolutely 0 point to an economic lockdown that destroys the economy if you are not taking strong measures to reduce the spread of the virus. Social distancing is nowhere near enough, masks are needed.

    This country has damned itself.

    Is the drop necessarily much larger in countries with masks? Cases are dropping hugely in many countries, mask law or not


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    #75
    The_Brood
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    ACitizenErased wrote: »
    Yeah Jacinda, we'll just move to the Pacific Ocean 900 miles from any other land mass. Cheers. She'd wanna watch her words before she says something she'll regret in a few months.

    She is completely right. What difference do the miles make? You think the virus can hop on over from Britain if the borders had been closed?


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    #76
    mandrake04
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    ACitizenErased wrote: »
    Yeah Jacinda, we'll just move to the Pacific Ocean 900 miles from any other land mass. Cheers. She'd wanna watch her words before she says something she'll regret in a few months.

    I'm interested to know what she would regret? a sternly worded letter?


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    #77
    JP Liz V1
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    It was nice that the elder cocooners could get out today and also 5km for all to exercise, we still need to all take care and keep the distance
    https://forumofgames.com/




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    #78
    MipMap
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    wakka12 wrote: »
    Is the drop necessarily much larger in countries with masks? Cases are dropping hugely in many countries, mask law or not
    Cases are dropping hugely in many countries because they have implemented lockdown measures that were quite obviously going to interrupt the spread of the virus.
    Measures that cannot be sustained indefinitely.
    That was the easy bit. The hard bit is lifting them and we need all the tools we have in our arsenal, including masks, to ensure we don't have to go back to lockdown again.
    There is no scientific evidence that masks work. There is no scientific evidence that social distancing works. To perform such experiments you would need a supply of disposable humans to perform your experiments.


    To me it is bleeding obvious that, with a virus that is transmitted by respiratory droplets, that social distancing and MASKS would be an effective deterrent.


    I would need serious and compelling scientific evidence to prove to me that either was ineffective, not the other way around.


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    #79
    learner161
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    The_Brood wrote: »
    She is completely right. What difference do the miles make? You think the virus can hop on over from Britain if the borders had been closed?

    I agree with her aswell. When people say oh we just move Ireland out to the Pacific what odds does that make as we would have done the same thing and let people in and out. Her actions she took to stop the spread was more important she locked the country down, closed borders, residents coming back had to go into quarantine (they were not handed a leaflet at the airport exit). We closed borders in 2001 so why couldn't we do it again.


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    #80
    BorneTobyWilde
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    Looks like Cali is taking off, 2500 cases today, as many as New York.


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    #81
    Arghus
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    Jacinda Ardern made reference to Ireland's slow potential steps because we don't have the enviable position that NZ have: no new cases and eradicated community transmission.

    When she said that some countries are "taking ages" it's not chastising those countries and wondering why they aren't getting a move on with emerging from lockdown. She's pointing out that NZ's approach - aiming for elimination of the virus - is actually more effective in the medium term and enables an economy/social activity to resume again on the other side far quicker and in more robust health than it would have otherwise.

    But, typically, the usual ejits are assuming that's someone slagging off Ireland.


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    #82
    BorneTobyWilde
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    Cali are also opening this week, but they closed down without having a problem. So now they'll open and become a New York. Americans are from Mars


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    #83
    wakka12
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    Almost 250 deaths in Mexico today..bit unexpected. Is there a lockdown in Mexico at the moment?


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    #84
    cnocbui
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    Away With The Fairies wrote: »
    Nobody allowed to say a bad word about Ireland?

    Is that an invitation? I just happen to have a list with me...


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    #85
    dfx-
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    Arghus wrote: »
    Jacinda Ardern made reference to Ireland's slow potential steps because we don't have the enviable position that NZ have: no new cases and eradicated community transmission.

    When she said that some countries are "taking ages" it's not chastising those countries and wondering why they aren't getting a move on with emerging from lockdown. She's pointing out that NZ's approach - aiming for elimination of the virus - is actually more effective in the medium term and enables an economy/social activity to resume again on the other side far quicker and in more robust health than it would have otherwise.

    But, typically, the usual ejits are assuming that's someone slagging off Ireland.

    the constant horse race throughout this illness of who is doing things better or worse than somewhere else is infuriating. 'We should be doing what they're doing' or 'we shouldn't be doing what they're doing'....and as for the graph comparing them all - it should be banned and sent on a one way ticket to Pluto.

    South Korea, Germany, Austria, UK, US, Sweden, now New Zealand.


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    #86
    Polar101
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    podgeandrodge wrote: »

    I think it's an important point that Austria mandated masks at the same time as relaxing restrictions, so perhaps one imposition alleviates another.

    I feel Austria is one country we shouldn't take any pointers from - they kept the ski resorts open for way too long despite being told "hey, we found a lot of virus infections from people who visited Tyrol". Maybe they've learned now, but they were a big contributor in the early spread of the virus.


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    #87
    spookwoman
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    uk ranked 2nd for deaths


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    #88
    Arghus
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    dfx- wrote: »
    the constant horse race throughout this illness of who is doing things better or worse than somewhere else is infuriating. 'We should be doing what they're doing' or 'we shouldn't be doing what they're doing'....and as for the graph comparing them all - it should be banned and sent on a one way ticket to Pluto.

    South Korea, Germany, Austria, UK, US, Sweden, now New Zealand.

    Fair enough, but in this instance I was trying to point out that people were inferring she was having a bit of laugh at Ireland's expense, which wasn't really what she was doing.


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    #89
    mandrake04
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    learner161 wrote: »
    I agree with her aswell. When people say oh we just move Ireland out to the Pacific what odds does that make as we would have done the same thing and let people in and out. Her actions she took to stop the spread was more important she locked the country down, closed borders, residents coming back had to go into quarantine (they were not handed a leaflet at the airport exit).

    NZ I think restricted travel from China (the main threat at the time) in early February, that saved themselves a lot of grief and it also heightened awareness.

    Distance has absolutely nothing to do with it unless you claim the virus is spread by wind LOL.

    You could argue volume of international movements would be a factor!!

    But even that is a bit flimsy as you can still be an Island in the middle of pacific and still have more international movements. Ireland's Airports reported 38 million Passenger movements in 2019 but Australia airports has 41 million International movements (not including the 60 million domestic)

    NZ has only 15 million international movements so there is a good point on volume when comparing NZ to Ireland but when you take account of Australia's population their numbers are very similar to NZ and they only went to a phase 3 lockdown.


    learner161 wrote: »
    We closed borders in 2001 so why couldn't we do it again.

    That will most probably happen, if (when ever that is) the battle is won to contain the virus it would be absolute madness to waste 2-3 months lockdown by letting someone in to start an outbreak all over again. Harris had already hinted that overseas holidays for 2020 are 'highly unlikely' and thats politician speak for they are definitely canned and there's no chance of any tourists arriving either.


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    Polar101 wrote: »
    I feel Austria is one country we shouldn't take any pointers from - they kept the ski resorts open for way too long despite being told "hey, we found a lot of virus infections from people who visited Tyrol". Maybe they've learned now, but they were a big contributor in the early spread of the virus.

    Doesn't make sense. That's like deciding to not go the gym with your mate because he used to be as lazy as you are.


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    #91
    smelly sock
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    https://www.thejournal.ie/possible-covid-19-case-in-france-in-december-5092142-May2020/

    I think we are all coming around to the fact that Covid-19 was in Europe and our country longer than we have been aware. Science now starting to confirm this.


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