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Coronavirus Part II - Its arrived - We're Doomed!!! See OP for Mod warnings

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    #1502
    daheff
    Registered Users Posts: 5,834 ✭✭✭daheff


    Fr_Dougal wrote: »
    Looks like it was removed.

    What is the jist of it?

    Still there. Jist of it is that a school trip to affected part of Italy happened.

    hse letter issued to say watch out for symptoms and report if a child develops symptoms. Nothing about staying at home for 2 weeks etc


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    #1503
    Ger Roe
    Registered Users Posts: 2,105 ✭✭✭Ger Roe


    Martina1991 wrote: »
    There has already been suspected cases in Kerry, Cork, Dublin. All negative so far.

    Everything is rumour and speculation.

    No... it's true. Coronavirus exists.... it's in Europe even!
    It's only a matter of time before it comes here, maybe even a very short time.


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    #1504
    imfml
    Registered Users Posts: 466 ✭✭imfml


    odyssey06 wrote: »
    Your post neglects to mention that those kids were in Europe's main affected zone?
    This is like saying, let's calm down about the smouldering fire and only get up out of the chair when the fire breaks out.

    They were there for 1 week. Covid 19 is asymptomatic for 14 days so any test would be negative and a waste. Just prepare your household to have a bad flu for a couple weeks. This thread is a copy and paste of the same arguments and counter arguments and stats and China every couple of pages, read 2 you've read them all. I'll pop back when there's a confirmed case here.


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    #1505
    odyssey06
    Registered Users Posts: 27,881 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    joe_99 wrote: »
    Flu is a danger to people with poor immunity. Coronavirus is a danger to people with poor immunity.

    The false equivalence you are trying to draw there is pretty obvious.
    I could repeat that trick a hundred times.
    X is a danger to people with poor immunity.
    It says nothing about the actual danger.
    Come off it.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



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    #1506
    Ludo
    Registered Users Posts: 5,015 ✭✭✭Ludo


    babybuilder wrote: »
    Mods, where art thou?

    Why mods needed? Coz you don't agree?
    Are mods also needed for those saying hundreds of millions are gonna die? Both extremes need to be treated same level of disbeliefuntil more is known.


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    #1507
    wakka12
    Registered Users Posts: 9,786 ✭✭✭wakka12


    joe_99 wrote: »
    How many children were on the cruise? A quarter of the Irish population is under 18. A quarter of the ship were not children. Hence older demographic on cruise ship. 0.5% death rate needs to be factored down as a result.

    Yeh obviously it wouldn't be that high though I'm sure there's plenty of childten on it, lots of childcare facilties and entertainment on board. Then you've to also take into account how unlikely ill people and people with serious underlying conditions will be to go on a long haul trans continental cruise , a third of the people on the ship being very able bodied workers many doing manual labour , all passengers being middle class and hence having much longer life span and much better health on average than general pop, you could analyse it to death, I think you'll find the cruise ship will be highly representative of the mortality rate to expect worldwide


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    #1508
    Stark
    Registered Users Posts: 20,892 ✭✭✭✭Stark


    Time for another "a friend of a friend heard from his mother that someone down the road has it" post yet?


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    #1509
    all about the mane
    Registered Users Posts: 1,401 ✭✭✭all about the mane


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    What the expert doctors were basically saying in Prime Time is that we economically can not afford to take measures that have been taken in other countries, so que sera sera.

    Western countries would stand for the measures taken in China


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    #1510
    boars
    Registered Users Posts: 29 ✭boars


    This virus kills through ARDS (Acute respiratory distress syndrome) and requires a significant* number of patients who have contracted the disease to be placed onto oxygen ventilation machines for treatment. This is fine- IF only a couple of thousand people contract the disease in any given country at any one time.

    If this develops into a pandemic, the fatality rate will skyrocket as no country has the medical resources to support hundreds of thousands of patients requiring high levels of medical interventions and resources. It's unbelievably foolish to compare this to the flu. Also, its for this same reason that any third world countries where this develops into a pandemic are extremely vulnerable. However, what might save them is the majority of these countries are in hot, arid climates (virus spreads in water droplets which suits cooler countries)

    *I recall vaguely it was quoted in a recent medical journal (the name escapes me) that ventilation intervention for the treatment of the coronavirus cases with those admitted to hospital
    was somewhere from 30-60% of all hospital admission.


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    #1511
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 8,647 ✭ [Deleted User]


    joe_99 wrote: »
    Flu is a danger to people with poor immunity. Coronavirus is a danger to people with poor immunity.

    There is a difference to be fair. There is a semi effective vaccine for the flu. It reduces cases by about 60% but can vary from year to year.


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    #1512
    BanditLuke
    Registered Users Posts: 2,600 ✭✭✭BanditLuke


    The CDC in the United States have told the American public to prepare for a pandemic but yeah posters on boards are overreacting.


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    #1513
    babybuilder
    Registered Users Posts: 1,073 ✭✭✭babybuilder


    So you get the symptoms. Then you are supposed to self-isolate/quarantine. So you go home and infect everyone there including your elderly parents/ grandparents. You won't get tested. Probably you won't get treated. The two "experts" on prime time strayed into economics an area they're not qualified to advise in.
    They also are unaware that it's a lower respiratory illness of dry cough. The number of times they mentioned sneezing, not a symptom. Also the virus is airborne meaning it can be caught from a close proximity to an infectious person not just droplet. Kept saying to refer to the department website. For god's sake tell us. Pantomine


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    #1514
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 8,647 ✭ [Deleted User]


    BanditLuke wrote: »
    The CDC in the United States have told the American public to prepare for a pandemic but yeah posters on boards are overreacting.

    The annual flu is an epidemic.....
    Worst case scenario, this joins it.


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    #1515
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    random_banter wrote: »
    Here's an easy to understand example. People who are immunosupressed are very vulnerable to this virus according to all reports. For example, I have a good friend (a young person) with Lupus (an auto-immune disease) and resulting Kidney Disease. For this person, catching the coronavirus could be fatal.

    Those comparing this with the flu aren't taking into account the amount of vulnerable people who are able to take action and protect themselves by getting the flu vaccine. There is no vaccine for this and we have been told that it is highly contagious.

    This friend needs to travel for kidney dialysis to a major hospital x3 times per week. It's going to be very hard for this person to self isolate and try to avoid catching this when their life already depends on access to dialysis, at a hospital would could end up full of people with this virus. As someone who cares about this person, this makes me concerned, too.

    It's a stressful current event for anyone in a vulnerable situation.

    Absolutely! I used to be on immune suppression when I had ulcerative colitis. Was hospitalised with sudden severe pneumonia. One of the very reasons I underwent the major panproctocolectomy with end ileostomy, so that I would no longer be immune suppressed and would have one less worry in life.


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    #1516
    joe_99
    Closed Accounts Posts: 763 ✭✭✭joe_99


    At least 6.8 percent of people who developed the flu during the 2019–2020 flu season in the United States have died (as of February 2020), compared to around 2 percent of those diagnosed with the 2019 coronavirus.

    https://www.cdc.gov/flu/weekly/#S2


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    #1517
    Dotsie~tmp
    Registered Users Posts: 1,427 ✭✭✭Dotsie~tmp


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Absolutely! I used to be on immune suppression when I had ulcerative colitis. Was hospitalised with sudden severe pneumonia. One of the very reasons I underwent the major panproctocolectomy with end ileostomy, so that I would no longer be immune suppressed and would have one less worry in life.

    I looked up what that way. Fair play for surviving it.


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    #1518
    2Mad2BeMad
    Registered Users Posts: 2,790 ✭✭✭2Mad2BeMad


    BanditLuke wrote: »
    The CDC in the United States have told the American public to prepare for a pandemic but yeah posters on boards are overreacting.

    I use to watch a programme that showed americans who built underground bunkers and its fully stocked with food water guns etc..

    thought they were mad, but if this was to turn into a pandemic, well that would be quite ironic for me laughing at them thinking they are nuts.


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    #1519
    billybonkers
    Registered Users Posts: 2,293 ✭✭✭billybonkers


    Tempted to book the cheap flights to Italy for a one day trip just for the two weeks off work


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    #1520
    wakka12
    Registered Users Posts: 9,786 ✭✭✭wakka12


    joe_99 wrote: »
    At least 6.8 percent of people who developed the flu during the 2019–2020 flu season in the United States have died (as of February 2020), compared to around 2 percent of those diagnosed with the 2019 coronavirus.

    https://www.cdc.gov/flu/weekly/#S2

    If 6.8% of people who got flu died hundreds of millions of people worldwide would die every year


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    #1521
    all about the mane
    Registered Users Posts: 1,401 ✭✭✭all about the mane


    2Mad2BeMad wrote: »
    I use to watch a programme that showed americans who built underground bunkers and its fully stocked with food water guns etc..

    thought they were mad, but if this was to turn into a pandemic, well that would be quite ironic for me laughing at them thinking they are nuts.

    They are mad.


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    #1522
    all about the mane
    Registered Users Posts: 1,401 ✭✭✭all about the mane


    wakka12 wrote: »
    If 6.8% of people who got flu died hundreds of millions of people worldwide would die every year

    How do you work that out?


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    #1523
    bodhrandude
    Registered Users Posts: 12,372 ✭✭✭✭bodhrandude


    Martina1991 wrote: »
    What department does she work in?

    I've looked online and i can't see what your talking about. You made the claim, do you have a source?

    There was stories of chinese universities developing a rapid test, but those preliminary studies are way off being available for commercial use worldwide.

    It was a week or two ago Dublin company called Hibergene developed a fast tracking Covid-19 test that apparently delivers results in an hour, they apparently sent it over to China during the Wuhan crisis for scientists to test there.

    If you want to get into it, you got to get out of it. (Hawkwind 1982)



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    #1524
    joe_99
    Closed Accounts Posts: 763 ✭✭✭joe_99


    wakka12 wrote: »
    If 6.8% of people who got flu died hundreds of millions of people worldwide would die every year

    CDC figures not mine.


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    #1525
    Candamir
    Registered Users Posts: 531 ✭✭✭Candamir


    BanditLuke wrote: »
    I've been told they had test kits that turned out to be faulty and of no use and now they are waiting on an updated batch from the UK which they may have taken delivery of today. They are the onsite test kits like the throat swab but these are still very hit and miss. A tracheal aspirate seems to be the best way of quickly determining a positive test for this virus.

    Tracheal aspirate? Ffs. You’re clearly delusional if you think that’s the way forward!


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    #1526
    babybuilder
    Registered Users Posts: 1,073 ✭✭✭babybuilder


    bodhrandude wrote: »
    It was a week or two ago Dublin company called Hibergene developed a fast tracking Covid-19 test that apparently delivers results in an hour, they apparently sent if over to China during the Wuhan crisis.

    Did they tell the department of health?


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    #1527
    Dotsie~tmp
    Registered Users Posts: 1,427 ✭✭✭Dotsie~tmp


    babybuilder wrote: »
    The two "experts" on prime time strayed into economics an area they're not qualified to advise in.

    Thats was VERY interesting when they did that. They were asked what they though should be done. The gave a counter argument to their field of knowledge. Theres a particular reason when people do such things. Its when they know if they tell someone what they are thinking its will hurt their feelings/scare them. They had an actual opinion, they wouldn't say it. Maybe they are scared to contemplate it themselves.


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    #1528
    Unearthly
    Registered Users Posts: 7,981 ✭✭✭Unearthly


    Another case in Spain, this time Madrid. They got it from travelling around Italy


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    #1529
    The Rape of Lucretia
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,440 ✭✭✭The Rape of Lucretia


    billybonkers wrote: »
    Tempted to book the cheap flights to Italy for a one day trip just for the two weeks off work

    I had a look earlier actually, worried that the game might be cancelled, but that there might be a cheap trip to Milano available the weekend after next. Not a bit of it. All flights in the hundreds of €. Fingers cross sense prevails, and the game goes ahead now.


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    #1530
    Sean 18
    Registered Users Posts: 204 ✭✭Sean 18


    Think we ll all have to find that underground city that the Manson family were on about 50 years ago


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    #1531
    Fr_Dougal
    Registered Users Posts: 9,167 ✭✭✭Fr_Dougal


    If it hits South America and the WHO don’t classify it as a pandemic I’m calling shenanigans.


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