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Coronavirus Part II - Its arrived - We're Doomed!!! See OP for Mod warnings

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    #1472
    D.Q
    Registered Users Posts: 6,054 ✭✭✭D.Q


    all about the mane wrote: »
    It’s a bit of craic to see how mental people can be though

    Genuinely hysterical.

    From the Guardian:

    Only 3% of Italian coronavirus patients have died, and all of them had pre-existing conditions, Walter Ricciardi of the World Health Organisation told a Rome press conference Tuesday. “We must scale back this great alarm,” said Ricciardi, a former director at Italy’s Higher Health Institute (ISS).

    Of 100 sick people, 80 get well of their own accord, 15 have serious but manageable problems, 5% are extremely serious, of which 3% die. Furthermore, as you know, all the people who died already had serious health conditions.

    He said the alarm “is right, is not to be underestimated, but the disease must be placed within the correct terms”.


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    #1473
    babybuilder
    Registered Users Posts: 1,075 ✭✭✭babybuilder


    What a pair of bull **** artists on prime time.


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    #1474
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 8,647 ✭ [Deleted User]


    tom1ie wrote: »
    i know that. i didnt say test everyone. Im wondering what is the procedure when you or a family member suspect you have covid 19?
    you ring the H.S.E if you can find the number, then what happens?

    I don't work in primary care but how would you suspect somebody in your family has coronavirus? What symptoms are you looking for? If you are healthy and don't have co-morbidities. I think it would be incredibly selfish to present to A+E. Just self isolate.


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    #1475
    BLIZZARD7
    Registered Users Posts: 1,985 ✭✭✭BLIZZARD7


    joe_99 wrote: »
    Flu is the exact same for these people. Happens every year.

    Ignoring facts/trolling at this stage^

    We know covid-19 is multiple times more deadly than the normal flu. How much more remains to be seen but current info is significantly more deadly. The constant 'only old people get affected' and 'loads of people die from the flu every year so why worry about this' posts are getting tiresome.

    The lack of proper response in terms of statements and proper advice from the HSE is becoming my main concern to be honest. Pretending everything is okay and then panicking when it's too late will do more harm than anything else. A calm and measured response is what will keep the situation under control and stop OTT panic when cases start popping up all over the place here...


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    #1476
    daheff
    Registered Users Posts: 5,835 ✭✭✭daheff


    feargale wrote: »
    Minister Harris says the Ireland v Italy game shouldn't go ahead. The IRFU want to know why. Any of you have any idea why?

    Cos we might lose to Italy? Maybe he’s worried after the England game


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    #1477
    fr336
    Registered Users Posts: 10,179 ✭✭✭✭fr336


    Ah it's only the flu guys. We have a vaccine for it. It will die out in the Spring. And pretty much everyone will recover in less than a week from it. Nothing to see here.


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    #1478
    Beasty
    Administrators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 75,460 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭Beasty


    Kermit.de.frog wrote: »
    I have a sniffle. Probably unrelated.
    One way trip to Milan for you then, just in case....


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    #1479
    billybonkers
    Registered Users Posts: 2,293 ✭✭✭billybonkers


    Anyone any info on the two potential cases in mater and Connolly hospital?? Seem to be a few HSE people here...


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    #1480
    odyssey06
    Registered Users Posts: 28,042 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    D.Q wrote: »
    Of 100 sick people, 80 get well of their own accord, 15 have serious but manageable problems, 5% are extremely serious, of which 3% die. Furthermore, as you know, all the people who died already had serious health conditions.

    There's another part of the equation. How many 100s of sick people are we dealing with... the 3% death rate assumes you have the capacity to treat that 5%-15% in the 'saveable' category.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



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    #1481
    jackboy
    Registered Users Posts: 4,473 ✭✭✭jackboy


    This guy on Clair Byrne show is talking ****e. Clearly just making up waffle. A poor PR effort.


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    #1482
    babybuilder
    Registered Users Posts: 1,075 ✭✭✭babybuilder


    fr336 wrote: »
    Ah it's only the flu guys. We have a vaccine for it. It will die out in the Spring. And pretty much everyone will recover in less than a week from it. Nothing to see here.
    Mods, where art thou?


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    #1483
    Doctor Jimbob
    Registered Users Posts: 7,631 ✭✭✭Doctor Jimbob


    fr336 wrote: »
    Why are you so against people being cautious? It's really quite bizarre. What downside is there from being cautious? Who loses out? Everyone is a winner - the people in question, those around them, the country, the markets, the world. What inconvenience is it in the grand scheme of things?

    For starters people at a real risk of having the virus lose out if we go around wasting test kits on a few children with the sniffles during flu season. We can't test everyone. I don't see what's bizarre at all about saying people should calm down a bit about a disease that hasn't even come to this country yet.


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    #1484
    fr336
    Registered Users Posts: 10,179 ✭✭✭✭fr336


    What even are these "serious health conditions"? Do you have to had a heart attack or a stroke? Or simply high blood pressure? Because that is a LOT of people. Does simply having diabetes with no complications mean serious? Again a lot of people. Could you have had something "serious" happen years ago and be able to deal with almost anything including the flu but this Coronavirus - just the flu, remember - might kill you?


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    #1485
    Ger Roe
    Registered Users Posts: 2,110 ✭✭✭Ger Roe


    babybuilder wrote: »
    What a pair of bull **** artists on prime time.

    I would have to agree. Miriam is taking their arguments apart. Now I am more worried than before about our state of preparations.

    There is no consistency in the argument for calling the match off, while flights arrive from Italy daily, while match ticket holders might come here for a break anyway and while St Patricks day is still being marketed as a cead mile failte for the world.


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    #1486
    DrumSteve
    Registered Users Posts: 10,799 ✭✭✭✭DrumSteve


    billybonkers wrote: »
    Anyone any info on the two potential cases in mater and Connolly hospital?? Seem to be a few HSE people here...

    Sure where else would they be


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    #1487
    Lashes28
    Registered Users Posts: 1,787 ✭✭✭Lashes28


    Anyone know if a nebuliser will help if you get it??


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    #1488
    fr336
    Registered Users Posts: 10,179 ✭✭✭✭fr336


    babybuilder wrote: »
    Mods, where art thou?

    What's the problem? I was stating that there's nothing to be worried about.


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    #1489
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 8,647 ✭ [Deleted User]


    Lashes28 wrote: »
    Anyone know if a nebuliser will help if you get it??

    A nebuliser of what? You could nebulise custard if you want.


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    #1490
    jojofizzio
    Registered Users Posts: 5,915 ✭✭✭jojofizzio


    Lashes28 wrote: »
    Anyone know if a nebuliser will help if you get it??

    Nope


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    #1491
    gmisk
    Registered Users Posts: 31,876 ✭✭✭✭gmisk


    fr336 wrote: »
    Ah it's only the flu guys. We have a vaccine for it. It will die out in the Spring. And pretty much everyone will recover in less than a week from it. Nothing to see here.
    Corona can lead to pneumonia...I have had it before...it is most definitely not the flu..


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    #1492
    odyssey06
    Registered Users Posts: 28,042 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    Doctor Jimbob wrote: »
    For starters people at a real risk of having the virus lose out if we go around wasting test kits on a few children with the sniffles during flu season. We can't test everyone. I don't see what's bizarre at all about saying people should calm down a bit about a disease that hasn't even come to this country yet.

    Your post neglects to mention that those kids were in Europe's main affected zone?
    This is like saying, let's calm down about the smouldering fire and only get up out of the chair when the fire breaks out.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



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    #1493
    SleetAndSnow
    Registered Users Posts: 4,677 ✭✭✭SleetAndSnow


    https://www.facebook.com/corksredfm/posts/10157259776217060

    School in Cork City

    Actual link added!


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    #1494
    [Deleted User]
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    billybonkers wrote: »
    Anyone any info on the two potential cases in mater and Connolly hospital?? Seem to be a few HSE people here...

    Connolly was originally built as a fever hospital, has a lot of individual rooms. AIDS patients used to be kept there in the terminal phase. In the early 90s I used to visit a patient there who eventually got a lung transplant.


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    #1495
    Fr_Dougal
    Registered Users Posts: 9,167 ✭✭✭Fr_Dougal


    SleetAndSnow wrote: »
    https://www.facebook.com/photo?fbid=10157259775332060&set=a.84858237059

    School in Cork City

    Looks like it was removed.

    What is the jist of it?


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    #1496
    SleetAndSnow
    Registered Users Posts: 4,677 ✭✭✭SleetAndSnow


    Fr_Dougal wrote: »
    Looks like it was removed.

    What is the jist of it?

    Probably just facebook using confusing links,

    Heres the actual link sorry:

    https://www.facebook.com/corksredfm/posts/10157259776217060


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    #1497
    Martina1991
    Registered Users Posts: 2,540 ✭✭✭Martina1991


    billybonkers wrote:
    Anyone any info on the two potential cases in mater and Connolly hospital?? Seem to be a few HSE people here...
    There has already been suspected cases in Kerry, Cork, Dublin. All negative so far.

    Everything is rumour and speculation.


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    #1498
    joe_99
    Closed Accounts Posts: 763 ✭✭✭joe_99


    BLIZZARD7 wrote: »
    Ignoring facts/trolling at this stage^

    We know covid-19 is multiple times more deadly than the normal flu. How much more remains to be seen but current info is significantly more deadly. The constant 'only old people get affected' and 'loads of people die from the flu every year so why worry about this' posts are getting tiresome.

    The lack of proper response in terms of statements and proper advice from the HSE is becoming my main concern to be honest. Pretending everything is okay and then panicking when it's too late will do more harm than anything else. A calm and measured response is what will keep the situation under control and stop OTT panic when cases start popping up all over the place here...

    Flu is a danger to people with poor immunity. Coronavirus is a danger to people with poor immunity.


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    #1499
    odyssey06
    Registered Users Posts: 28,042 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    fr336 wrote: »
    What even are these "serious health conditions"? Do you have to had a heart attack or a stroke? Or simply high blood pressure? Because that is a LOT of people. Does simply having diabetes with no complications mean serious? Again a lot of people. Could you have had something "serious" happen years ago and be able to deal with almost anything including the flu but this Coronavirus - just the flu, remember - might kill you?

    Darwin called it survival of the fittest. It's the law of nature.
    Get out of the way of progress.

    It's your own fault for having a pre-existing illness.
    *wags finger*
    The Millenials are eying up your gaff and your life insurance.
    Just die already you had a good innings.
    Repeat ad nauseum.

    Of course the aren't honest and say it like that, but that's the inception behind the thought.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



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    #1500
    [Deleted User]
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    What the expert doctors were basically saying in Prime Time is that we economically can not afford to take measures that have been taken in other countries, so que sera sera.


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    #1501
    random_banter
    Registered Users Posts: 614 ✭✭✭random_banter


    fr336 wrote: »
    What even are these "serious health conditions"? Do you have to had a heart attack or a stroke? Or simply high blood pressure? Because that is a LOT of people. Does simply having diabetes with no complications mean serious? Again a lot of people. Could you have had something "serious" happen years ago and be able to deal with almost anything including the flu but this Coronavirus - just the flu, remember - might kill you?

    Here's an easy to understand example. People who are immunosupressed are very vulnerable to this virus according to all reports. For example, I have a good friend (a young person) with Lupus (an auto-immune disease) and resulting Kidney Disease. For this person, catching the coronavirus could be fatal.

    Those comparing this with the flu aren't taking into account the amount of vulnerable people who are able to take action and protect themselves by getting the flu vaccine. There is no vaccine for this and we have been told that it is highly contagious.

    This friend needs to travel for kidney dialysis to a major hospital x3 times per week. It's going to be very hard for this person to self isolate and try to avoid catching this when their life already depends on access to dialysis, at a hospital would could end up full of people with this virus. As someone who cares about this person, this makes me concerned, too.

    It's a stressful current event for anyone in a vulnerable situation.


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