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Nissan Ariya

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,528 ✭✭✭copeyhagen


    fair ****s to nissan. now if they could just produce a r32 4 door sedan skyline with a decent battery id be sold for nostalgia alone :P


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 979 ✭✭✭Thierry12


    80sDiesel wrote: »
    The new qashqai is reportedly also coming with E Power. Basically a Rex with a tiny battery. Very popular in Japan in the note.

    E Power is something ive always liked

    Best of both worlds

    Electric drive train for that gear free instant power/torque and petrol as the fuel source

    Perfect combo for many


  • Posts: 21,179 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    How small a battery we talking about ? is it driven in any way by the engine ?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,349 ✭✭✭80sDiesel


    How small a battery we talking about ? is it driven in any way by the engine ?

    Note epower in Japan is a 1.5kWh with a 3 cylinder engine . The Serena is 1.8kWh .Should be larger on both accounts for European rollout.

    Engine only chargers the battery.

    A man is rich in proportion to the number of things which he can afford to let alone.



  • Posts: 21,179 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    80sDiesel wrote: »
    Note epower in Japan is a 1.5kWh with a 3 cylinder engine . The Serena is 1.8kWh .Should be larger on both accounts for European rollout.

    Engine only chargers the battery.

    1.8 Kwh, Jaysus that's pathetic.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,788 ✭✭✭✭JPA


    I feel like I'm missing the point of e-power. What's the advantage?
    The engine will be running all the time right?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 979 ✭✭✭Thierry12


    JPA wrote: »
    I feel like I'm missing the point of e-power. What's the advantage?
    The engine will be running all the time right?

    No need to charge the car, driven by the electric motor and mpg is pretty good as engine runs at optimum rpm

    e Note does 0 - 100kmh in 7ish secs, weights 1200kg and does 55mpg

    Some improvement over a 13 sec, 1 litre petrol


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 979 ✭✭✭Thierry12


    1.8 Kwh, Jaysus that's pathetic.

    Its not a pluggin, battery is constantly charged by engine


  • Posts: 21,179 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Thierry12 wrote: »
    Its not a pluggin, battery is constantly charged by engine

    There's be no point plugging it in lol :D

    It's sad, they could have done a lot better.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,788 ✭✭✭✭JPA


    Thierry12 wrote: »
    No need to charge the car, driven by the electric motor and mpg is pretty good as engine runs at optimum rpm

    e Note does 0 - 100kmh in 7ish secs, weights 1200kg and does 55mpg

    Some improvement over a 13 sec, 1 litre petrol

    Seems like a backward step, it shouldn't even be discussed in this forum!


  • Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Regional East Moderators Posts: 8,059 Mod ✭✭✭✭liamog


    JPA wrote: »
    Seems like a backward step, it shouldn't even be discussed in this forum!

    It's just another hybrid really, no different than any other without a plug :)
    They're allowed in the forum, though they are veering off topic in an Ariya thread ...


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 979 ✭✭✭Thierry12


    liamog wrote: »
    It's just another hybrid really, no different than any other without a plug :)
    They're allowed in the forum, though they are veering off topic in an Ariya thread ...

    Its completely different Liam

    Its driven by the electric motor all the time

    The driving experience will be exactly like an EV with no charging required


  • Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Regional East Moderators Posts: 8,059 Mod ✭✭✭✭liamog


    Thierry12 wrote: »
    Its completely different Liam

    Its driven by the electric motor all the time

    The driving experience will be exactly like an EV with no charging required

    It's just a different form of hybrid, the point was more to indicate that it's ok to be on the EV&Hybrids forum. I suspect you will need to charge it with petrol, that tank isn't going to fill itself :P


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,349 ✭✭✭80sDiesel


    Thierry12 wrote: »
    Its completely different Liam

    Its driven by the electric motor all the time

    The driving experience will be exactly like an EV with no charging required

    Agree. It’s an EV which instead of having to wait to load up the electrons at a power outlet, instead it is resupplied quickly with an energy source(petrol) to create those elections on the move.

    A man is rich in proportion to the number of things which he can afford to let alone.



  • Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Regional East Moderators Posts: 8,059 Mod ✭✭✭✭liamog


    80sDiesel wrote: »
    Agree. It’s an EV which instead of having to wait to load up the electrons at a power outlet, instead it is resupplied quickly with an energy source(petrol) to create those elections on the move.

    It's still a hybrid vehicle. Just as the I3 with a REx is a hybrid. It's not taking away from the fact that it's a good idea.

    We have HEV, MHEV, FCEV, BEV, PHEV, probably needs a new label for super REx's.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 979 ✭✭✭Thierry12


    liamog wrote: »
    It's still a hybrid vehicle. Just as the I3 with a REx is a hybrid. It's not taking away from the fact that it's a good idea.

    We have HEV, MHEV, FCEV, BEV, PHEV, probably needs a new label for super REx's.

    PEV ;-)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 979 ✭✭✭Thierry12


    Nissan GTR 2022 will be a PEV

    4 electric motors

    800bhp


  • Posts: 21,179 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    liamog wrote: »
    It's still a hybrid vehicle. Just as the I3 with a REx is a hybrid. It's not taking away from the fact that it's a good idea.

    We have HEV, MHEV, FCEV, BEV, PHEV, probably needs a new label for super REx's.

    Like the Rex but not quite, Rex is the only PHEV on the planet with so much EV range and can actually charge at a fast charger at full 50 Kw and the only reason they didn't add it with the 44 Kwh battery is because they didn't want to pay for recertification because BMW couldn't make up their minds whether they were going to keep it in production or not, at the time the Rex was scrapped BMW announced the end of the i3 would be end of 2019. BMW came up with the BS that with the 44 Kwh or 120 Ah there was no need for the Rex.....poor decision.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,466 ✭✭✭cannco253


    https://cleantechnica.com/2020/09/24/the-new-nissan-ariya-an-exclusive-interview-with-nissan-chief-engineer-hikaru-nakajima/

    Good article about the Ariya, didn't know this about the reveal date..Volkswagen is also going to be doing it for the 2022 World Cup in Qatar.

    "Why did NISSAN announce this car a year before its release?

    The announcement was scheduled to coincide with the Tokyo Olympics, so that we could exhibit the ARIYA at events. We decided to proceed with the announcement, despite the postponement of the Olympics."


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,349 ✭✭✭80sDiesel


    Some great up close video of the Ariya exterior and interior design details

    https://youtu.be/73q5vqtY938

    A man is rich in proportion to the number of things which he can afford to let alone.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,452 ✭✭✭✭DrPhilG


    This is a fine looking car. Sadly the price is bound to be mental for the higher spec.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,027 ✭✭✭Lantus


    It's 40k for the starting model which may well be OK if it starts at the mid range ambition level.

    If your in the 40k car market its not too bad for a good sized suv.

    I just wonder with remote working becoming a provable and long term solution how many will feel the need to invest in long range expensive evs when fuel bills continue to tumble to meager levels.

    My fuel bill is down from 160 a month to nearer 40. If new measures come into effect I'll be at nearer 20 a month which will require sale of the diesel and purchase of a really well specd petrol for 20 something. Even if I buy a 30k petrol it would take 40 years to get pay back compared to this ev. So no point.....

    We have already delivered huge carbon savings around the world over the last 8 months. Its time to address the real issue which is outdated city design.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 65,708 ✭✭✭✭unkel
    Chauffe, Marcel, chauffe!


    Jonny Smith does a "studio" review



    Looking good, should be a popular car here. Ideal upgrade for a lot of current Leaf owners

    UK starting price of £37k for the base FWD version. That seems very steep though given that a Kia e-Niro is under £30k after the £3k grant over there


  • Registered Users Posts: 430 ✭✭Geeyfds53573


    unkel wrote: »
    Jonny Smith does a "studio" review



    Looking good, should be a popular car here. Ideal upgrade for a lot of current Leaf owners

    UK starting price of £37k for the base FWD version. That seems very steep though given that a Kia e-Niro is under £30k after the £3k grant over there


    Will be populate alright looks great inside and out.

    So am I correct in saying the basic model approx
    €40 k with grants


  • Posts: 21,179 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Very interesting.

    130 Kw CCS, though that's meaningless without charge time figures. Seems a little low with 90 Kw battery ?

    90 Kwh is impressive from Nissan but I'd say that will push the cost towards 60 K Euro's here after grant ?

    22 KW AC is brilliant though and about time........

    Ariya name is ****. But it's a cool looking car

    Not bad looking inside. Right price this will sell well. But I can't see the 90 Kwh for less than 60-65 K or even more, for a Nissan ?

    Any ETA ?

    Give me a 4WD performance 90 Kwh please lol, can't imagine the cost of that, 80k ?


  • Posts: 21,179 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    unkel wrote: »
    Jonny Smith does a "studio" review

    Looking good, should be a popular car here. Ideal upgrade for a lot of current Leaf owners

    UK starting price of £37k for the base FWD version. That seems very steep though given that a Kia e-Niro is under £30k after the £3k grant over there

    Imagine the cost of the 90 Kwh AWD Performance ? :eek:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 65,708 ✭✭✭✭unkel
    Chauffe, Marcel, chauffe!


    Yep particularly because we now have a "luxury car" tax on EVs costing more than average with the new VRT system :rolleyes:


  • Posts: 21,179 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    unkel wrote: »
    Yep particularly because we now have a "luxury car" tax on EVs costing more than average with the new VRT system :rolleyes:

    How does this new vrt system work again ?

    Government clowns should remove VRT it's thieving and there is absolutely no justification for it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 686 ✭✭✭kaahooters


    Very interesting.

    130 Kw CCS, though that's meaningless without charge time figures. Seems a little low with 90 Kw battery ?

    what do you mean charge time?

    130kw ccs for a 90kw battery is like, 70%

    so 70% of an hour is 42 min, straight out.

    so for the usuall 10%-80% charge itll be like 30 min with another 30 min for the last 20%


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,216 ✭✭✭✭ELM327


    unkel wrote: »
    Yep particularly because we now have a "luxury car" tax on EVs costing more than average with the new VRT system :rolleyes:
    No we dont.


    Actual Luxury cars like the X and the Taycan are cheaper under this new system.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,216 ✭✭✭✭ELM327


    kaahooters wrote: »
    what do you mean charge time?

    130kw ccs for a 90kw battery is like, 70%

    so 70% of an hour is 42 min, straight out.

    so for the usuall 10%-80% charge itll be like 30 min with another 30 min for the last 20%


    You can't assume that.


    It could be 130kW from 10%-20% SOC only, or 130kW from 5-80% SOC, or anything in between


    This is referred to as the charge curve. Look at Bjorns videos comparing the Etron with other EVs that also have "150kW" charging and you'll see the importance of the curve


  • Posts: 21,179 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    kaahooters wrote: »
    what do you mean charge time?

    130kw ccs for a 90kw battery is like, 70%

    so 70% of an hour is 42 min, straight out.

    so for the usuall 10%-80% charge itll be like 30 min with another 30 min for the last 20%

    Charging power in Kw is really only used for marketing but it's not really any use if it can pull 130 Kw for 5 mins then ramp down to 50 Kw after 20 mins etc. The total time to charge is more important to know.

    Also cold has a big impact and Nissan are not known for their Thermal management so what could be 130 Kw for a warm battery could be 30 Kw for a very cold battery. Other cars have the potential to warm their batteries but due to some mad engineering decisions don't heat for charging properly only for max acceleration and regen.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,292 ✭✭✭TheBoyConor


    Even if they have resolved the issues of the Leaf, it is almost inevitable that this model will come as standard with a whole other slew of reliability and quality issues. I think anyone buying the first run of a new model is mad. If you are keen to buy new, then wait until the 3rd or 4th model year when the quality and design flaws of the first generation have become apparent, and hopefully, rectified on subsequent production versions.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 65,708 ✭✭✭✭unkel
    Chauffe, Marcel, chauffe!


    ELM327 wrote: »
    No we dont.


    Actual Luxury cars like the X and the Taycan are cheaper under this new system.

    When I say cars costing more than average, I meant cars in the €45-€70k range. These are now more expensive than before. Very high end cars above €70k are now cheaper as you say.

    Not sure why this change was put in, it's pretty stupid. The most important principle of tax collection is the ease of collection. Make a €100k car €1k more expensive because of extra tax and this will pass unnoticed, nobody will care and nobody will not buy that €100k car now because of the higher tax. But hey the government in their wisdom decides to do the opposite :rolleyes: And that during a time where the total tax collected has collapsed compared to previous years and spending is going through the roof :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: Ah shure we'll get a few more printing presses to print EUR notes just like the yanks have shown us..


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,216 ✭✭✭✭ELM327


    At least the € means our banana republic can't print its own money. Because we would have done so many times over at this point.

    Our levels of VRT are ridiculous, and saying its for climate change is also nonsense. I was looking at importing a Taycan or a Model X from Germany (LHD of course, but still 10-15% cheaper than here) and there is still VRT on those. Full electric cars should not have VRT.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,349 ✭✭✭80sDiesel


    Seems impressed with the interior

    A man is rich in proportion to the number of things which he can afford to let alone.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,651 ✭✭✭Red Silurian


    ELM327 wrote: »
    At least the € means our banana republic can't print its own money. Because we would have done so many times over at this point.

    Our levels of VRT are ridiculous, and saying its for climate change is also nonsense. I was looking at importing a Taycan or a Model X from Germany (LHD of course, but still 10-15% cheaper than here) and there is still VRT on those. Full electric cars should not have VRT.

    Vrt is 0 for electric cars though


  • Posts: 21,179 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Vrt is 0 for electric cars though

    No it's not, there's something like 3,500 Euro's worth of VRT on a M3 for a total of 12,100 in tax you have to give the Government for free. Tesla beak it down for you and it's a real eyeopener as to how much we're screwed in Ireland.

    Without the tax the M3 SR + would cost around 35,900, that's less than a Kia E-Niro costs lol it's mental.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,216 ✭✭✭✭ELM327


    Vrt is 0 for electric cars though
    Absolutely and categorically untrue.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,936 ✭✭✭ewj1978


    Personally ,and I've 2 Ev's, they should do away with tthe VRT rebate. Its just free cash to these car companies.


  • Registered Users Posts: 214 ✭✭pdpmur


    ewj1978 wrote: »
    Personally ,and I've 2 Ev's, they should do away with tthe VRT rebate. Its just free cash to these car companies.

    What VRT rebate would that be? Is it the one that was done away with in the last budget, effective from 1st of January this year?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,216 ✭✭✭✭ELM327


    ewj1978 wrote: »
    Personally ,and I've 2 Ev's, they should do away with tthe VRT rebate. Its just free cash to these car companies.
    Not the vrt rebate, the SEAI grant, but yes you are correct


    Give it as a tax credit to the purchaser instead of off the sales price to the OEM


  • Moderators Posts: 12,381 ✭✭✭✭Black_Knight


    Bjorn got a look in.

    https://youtu.be/PVNqMDv_kRI



    Somewhat preproduction.
    Boot looks small without dropping the floor.
    Middle back seat looks impossible to sit in with the centre console jutting back into it.. though it seems it slides forward.
    Interior kinda looks a bit drab. Like a Japanese businessman's briefcase.


  • Posts: 21,179 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    OH center console moves forward and backwards electronically too, now that's cool, whether it will be in the production model or not is anyone's guess.

    The interior is impressive, the boot is pretty tight, and FWD, it's a real shame that Nissan are still building ICE based electrics.


  • Registered Users Posts: 430 ✭✭Geeyfds53573


    It’s a fine car very nice indeed - it’s getting a bit of attention lately - price point seems like it’s going to be higher than initially thought


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,349 ✭✭✭80sDiesel


    it's a real shame that Nissan are still building ICE based electrics.

    It’s their new EV platform.

    A man is rich in proportion to the number of things which he can afford to let alone.



  • Posts: 21,179 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    80sDiesel wrote: »
    It’s their new EV platform.

    New EV platform based on ICE tech everything mounted in the front, I suppose the difference is I think they will have the option of 2 motors and one will obviously be in the rear but the motor should drive the rear wheels as standard.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,349 ✭✭✭80sDiesel


    New EV platform based on ICE tech everything mounted in the front, I suppose the difference is I think they will have the option of 2 motors and one will obviously be in the rear but the motor should drive the rear wheels as standard.

    Apparently it was cheaper to have the motor in the front thus reducing cost. I am eager to see how their new e-4orce awd system works

    A man is rich in proportion to the number of things which he can afford to let alone.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 19,192 Mod ✭✭✭✭slave1


    Ha ha, beautiful looking car but good luck trying to park perfectly to charger it as a eCars High Power charger, that charge port is in a loopy position


  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 19,192 Mod ✭✭✭✭slave1


    ewj1978 wrote: »
    Personally ,and I've 2 Ev's, they should do away with tthe VRT rebate. Its just free cash to these car companies.

    What about those of us who imported, none of that cash went to the car companies


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