Vaccine Megathread - See OP for threadbans

12-04-2021 8:01pm

Doctor Jimbob wrote: »

I'd have no issue with this if our reopening wasn't tied to vaccinations.

As it stands, we simply can't afford this level of caution.

It's almost as if you didn't read what I said. Let me reiterate. If an otherwise young healthy person died from AZ it could have led to masses of young people refusing the jab as they would lose confidence in the programme.

How would your reopening plan work in the face of that scenario? Why is a minor delay to avoid such a scenario so unreasonable? Why should we expect young people to take a risk that is simply not required?

funnydoggy · 12-04-2021 8:02pm

When is this in effect from? My OH is not gonna be getting her vaccine in Pairc Ui Chaoimh tomorrow if that's the case. She's in her early 30s.

Strazdas · 12-04-2021 8:02pm

Sierra 117 wrote: »

I'm sure all of the under 60s who were vaccinated with AZ today in vaccination centres will be delighted to hear this news.

Jesus Christ.

Risk is still tiny for them. It's purely as a precautionary measure, we've only had one serious blood clot case in Ireland.

12-04-2021 8:03pm

Turtwig wrote: »

At least one young person who receives a covid vaccine will die a short while after receiving it. Probably quite a few will.

Then they shouldn't take part. Why should they when the virus barely affects them?

lbj666 · 12-04-2021 8:03pm

If anyone who thinks that herd immunity should be aided by younger cohorts simply getting immunity through infection rather than vacine and the chance of long covid that could go with they need to rethink.

vienne86 · 12-04-2021 8:03pm

Rebelbrowser wrote: »

Is there a press conference?

No sign of it that I can see.

Miike · 12-04-2021 8:04pm

Stheno wrote: »

So basically "we don't recommend it for under 60s but if you've already recieved a dose and are not high risk, we're just going to push out your second dose, till we see if we have further info"?

Even though they don't know if more than 12 weeks gap will cause issues?

Yeah its beggars belief... I'm a bit like???

funnydoggy · 12-04-2021 8:04pm

Deleted User wrote: »

Then they shouldn't take part. Why should they when the virus barely affects them?

Round and round we go

hmmm · 12-04-2021 8:04pm

Deleted User wrote: »

Don't be ridiculous. If just one young person died from this jab it would have undermined the entire programme in Ireland.

Thankfully we can help avoid this by using common sense.

MHRA said it's one person in 250,000 who gets these clots. If the reports on this thread are right that it has a 1 in 4 death rate then my back of the envelope calculation is that for every million people who get the vaccine, 1 person may die.

It's not exactly the Somme is it?

Hopefully this doesn't affect the rollout programme, but if at any stage AstraZeneca vaccines are lying unused I think we should be making them available to those who are happy to take the "risk". The Regulators have to do their job, but there are a lot of people who want these lockdowns to end as soon as possible.

12-04-2021 8:06pm

https://twitter.com/ZaraKing/status/1381680173658075139?s=19

Apparently they are waiting.

drake70 · 12-04-2021 8:06pm

Sierra 117 wrote: »

I'm sure all of the under 60s who were vaccinated with AZ today in vaccination centres will be delighted to hear this news.

Jesus Christ.

I had my first dose of AstraZeneca today. Doesn't bother me.

rm212 · 12-04-2021 8:07pm

Stheno wrote: »

So basically "we don't recommend it for under 60s but if you've already recieved a dose and are not high risk, we're just going to push out your second dose, till we see if we have further info"?

Even though they don't know if more than 12 weeks gap will cause issues?

But at the same time, “if you have a medical condition, we’ll chance it and give you the second dose”. How is that mixed messaging going to make anyone feel confident in the vaccine?

Turtwig · 12-04-2021 8:08pm

Miike wrote: »

Yeah its beggars belief... I'm a bit like???

Yeah I don't understand why they just didn't say anyone given first dose should get second as normal.

That said I don't believe 16 weeks will undermine efficacy of vaccine.

Rebelbrowser · 12-04-2021 8:08pm

hmmm wrote: »

MHRA said it's one person in 250,000 who gets these clots. If the reports on this thread are right that it has a 1 in 4 death rate then my back of the envelope calculation is that for every million people who get the vaccine, 1 person may die.

It's not exactly the Somme is it?

Hopefully this doesn't affect the rollout programme, but if at any stage AstraZeneca vaccines are lying unused I think we should be making them available to those who are happy to take the "risk". The Regulators have to do their job, but there are a lot of people who want these lockdowns to end as soon as possible.

The NIAC document tonight expressly refers to that 1 in a million (literally) risk. I'm very conservative on these things but Jesus lads! Any consequent delay is bound to cause at least one extra covid death

12-04-2021 8:09pm

hmmm wrote: »

MHRA said it's one person in 250,000 who gets these clots. If the reports on this thread are right that it has a 1 in 4 death rate then my back of the envelope calculation is that for every million people who get the vaccine, 1 person may die.

It's not exactly the Somme is it?

Hopefully this doesn't affect the rollout programme, but if at any stage AstraZeneca vaccines are lying unused I think we should be making them available to those who are happy to take the "risk". The Regulators have to do their job, but there are a lot of people who want these lockdowns to end as soon as possible.

"Here, there's a virus that poses no risk to you, do you want a vaccine that might kill you due to blood clots that we can't quite figure out?"

Nah. Thankfully I won't have to face that decision. Common sense prevailed.

lbj666 · 12-04-2021 8:11pm

Turtwig wrote: »

Yeah I don't understand why they just didn't say anyone given first dose should get second as normal.

That said I don't believe 16 weeks will undermine efficacy of vaccine.

It won't but is it on the label?

Icantthinkof1 · 12-04-2021 8:12pm

What an absolute sh!tshow was due to get my 2nd AZ dose early next month (12weeks)
Are they recommending people wait until the 16weeks as that brings us to June- aren’t the U.K. results out then from the case studies they did with the mixed dosing?
As a hcw with a high risk medical condition this announcement is so upsetting but my condition is manageable I cannot imagine how others in cohort 4 feel hearing this news this evening
These people who are extremely vulnerable to the effects of Covid and who have been cocooning for the best part of a year now won’t even be fully vaccinated until July if even at all now

rm212 · 12-04-2021 8:12pm

Is this woman saying the wrong vaccine name in the press briefing? Sounds like “VaxEvra” or something...

EDIT: oh she just mentioned a name change? I didn’t even hear about that. I guess AZ want to try and remove the bad PR from their vaccine by changing the name haha

funnydoggy · 12-04-2021 8:12pm

Deleted User wrote: »

"Here, there's a virus that poses no risk to you

Can we stop to the "no risk" thing? Maybe not to you but even if you got it, you might not feel sick but you could spread it to others, including some pretty high risk people. They've not all been vaccinated yet. Also, you may end up with some shítty after effects.

Jinglejangle69 · 12-04-2021 8:12pm

Why is it OK for everyone over 60??

Rebelbrowser · 12-04-2021 8:12pm

Deleted User wrote: »

"Here, there's a virus that poses no risk to you, do you want a vaccine that might kill you due to blood clots that we can't quite figure out?"

Nah. Thankfully I won't have to face that decision. Common sense prevailed.

Covid surely poses a better than 1 in a million risk to literally anybody unvaccinated?

odyssey06 · 12-04-2021 8:12pm

[Deleted User] wrote: »

"Here, there's a virus that poses no risk to you, do you want a vaccine that might kill you due to blood clots that we can't quite figure out?"

Nah. Thankfully I won't have to face that decision. Common sense prevailed.

Cohorts 4 and 7 esp those who have already received one dose would answer differently perhaps?

funnydoggy · 12-04-2021 8:13pm

rm212 wrote: »

Is this woman saying the wrong vaccine name in the press briefing? Sounds like “VaxEvra” or something...

Yep, she is. Jesus wept :pac:

odyssey06 · 12-04-2021 8:14pm

rm212 wrote: »

Is this woman saying the wrong vaccine name in the press briefing? Sounds like “VaxEvra” or something...

EDIT: oh she just mentioned a name change? I didn’t even hear about that.

Vaxzevria... rolls off the tongue!

lbj666 · 12-04-2021 8:14pm

https://twitter.com/RachelLavin/status/1381626331587358728?s=20

I say not even

funnydoggy · 12-04-2021 8:16pm

I can't believe the cameraperson actually focused on the graph

12-04-2021 8:16pm

funnydoggy wrote: »

Can we stop to the "no risk" thing? Maybe not to you but even if you got it, you might not feel sick but you could spread it to others, including some pretty high risk people. They've not all been vaccinated yet. Also, you may end up with some shítty after effects.

I'm just speaking how a good portion of the country feels about all of this. Now add into the mix a "young people killer vaccine" and people are thinking we can just continue like nothing is happening? You think posting clever charts on Twitter is going to alleviate concerns?

The right call was made to ensure confidence in the programme. That matters if you want to end the lockdowns.

12-04-2021 8:17pm

odyssey06 wrote: »

Cohorts 4 and 7 esp those who have already received one dose would answer differently perhaps?

The right call was made to ensure confidence in the programme. That matters if you want to end the lockdowns.

Jim Gazebo · 12-04-2021 8:18pm

funnydoggy wrote: »

When is this in effect from? My OH is not gonna be getting her vaccine in Pairc Ui Chaoimh tomorrow if that's the case. She's in her early 30s.

Also interested in an answer to this. I know someone going in a couple of days.

Dempo1 · 12-04-2021 8:19pm

funnydoggy wrote: »

Yep, she is. Jesus wept :pac:

No, for some extraordinary reason AZ has been renamed, I suspect such was the negativity around AZ they've had to rename it. Hardly a confidence building move

funnydoggy · 12-04-2021 8:19pm

Deleted User wrote: »

I'm just speaking how a good portion of the country feels about all of this. Now add into the mix a "young people killer vaccine" and people are thinking we can just continue like nothing is happening? You think posting clever charts on Twitter is going to alleviate concerns?

The right call was made to ensure confidence in the programme. That matters if you want to end the lockdowns.

I'm in that portion. I'm not high risk, am fit and not overweight. I will likely be fine if I get it. I totally understand that angle.

But, my girlfriend with a chronic illness and her parents who both had cancer in the last 3 years wouldn't be fine.

The risk is much less for younger people but this is an infectious disease that spreads.

12-04-2021 8:20pm

funnydoggy wrote: »

I'm in that portion. I'm not high risk, am fit and not overweight. I will likely be fine if I get it. I totally understand that angle.

But, my girlfriend with a chronic illness and her parents who both had cancer in the last 3 years wouldn't be fine.

The risk is much less for younger people but this is an infectious disease that spreads.

Sorry I have to repeat myself.

The right call was made to ensure confidence in the programme. That matters if you want to end the lockdowns.

hmmm · 12-04-2021 8:21pm

Jinglejangle69 wrote: »

Why is it OK for everyone over 60??

The risk decreases the older you get.

In the UK, the figure is 1.1 blood clots for every 100,000 people in their 20s. That falls to 0.2 in 100,000 for people in their 60s.

Indestructable · 12-04-2021 8:21pm

Jim Gazebo wrote: »

Also interested in an answer to this. I know someone going in a couple of days.

From now. Not being administered tomorrow.

funnydoggy · 12-04-2021 8:21pm

Deleted User wrote: »

Sorry I have to repeat myself.

The right call was made to ensure confidence in the programme. That matters if you want to end the lockdowns.

Genuinely not sure what you mean!

Jinglejangle69 · 12-04-2021 8:21pm

hmmm wrote: »

The risk decreases the older you get.

In the UK, the figure is 1.1 blood clots for every 100,000 people in their 20s. That falls to 0.2 in 100,000 for people in their 60s.

I see, thanks.

odyssey06 · 12-04-2021 8:21pm

[Deleted User] wrote: »

The right call was made to ensure confidence in the programme. That matters if you want to end the lockdowns.

It makes no sense.
The chance of a second dose reaction is less than 1 in a million.

If that is the standard of unacceptable risk you could never exit lockdown.

The risk of being unvaccinated for cohorts 4 7 and over 40s from.covid is far higher than that

ACitizenErased · 12-04-2021 8:22pm

odyssey06 wrote: »

It makes no sense.
The chance of a second dose reaction is less than 1 in a million.

If that is the standard of unacceptable risk you could never exit lockdown

I wouldn't engage tbh with ya

thebaz · 12-04-2021 8:22pm

According to the Times this is the risk :-

The EMA has added unusual clotting events with low platelet counts as very rare side effects to the vaccine product information. These rare events are estimated to occur between 4 and 10 in every 1 million people, one of whom may die.

Are we living in a world of over safteyism , given we have been in lockdown for nearly 12 months , I guess it is safer to stay locked up in your home , than going out and actually living, you will be nearly 100% safe , but wont be much of a life.

12-04-2021 8:23pm

This thread is impervious to reason. I give up.

Degag · 12-04-2021 8:24pm

Deleted User wrote: »

"Here, there's a virus that poses no risk to you, do you want a vaccine that might kill you due to blood clots that we can't quite figure out?"

Nah. Thankfully I won't have to face that decision. Common sense prevailed.

If you think the virus poses no risk to you then you have to think that this potential issue with the AZ vaccine poses no risk either. Unless you think that less than 1 person in a million under 60 dies from Covid?

And we're not even taking the serious side affects or potential to pass the disease on with Covid.

funnydoggy · 12-04-2021 8:24pm

Deleted User wrote: »

This thread is impervious to reason. I give up.

I did say I didn't understand you, am asking a genuine question.

12-04-2021 8:27pm

It was stated at the start of the briefing that they can take this action because there are other vaccines available. That's the crux of it, we have the flexibility to reassign the vaccine supply accordingly.

ACitizenErased · 12-04-2021 8:27pm

Flying Fox wrote: »

It was stated at the start of the briefing that they can take this action because there are other vaccines available. That's the crux of it, we have the flexibility to reassign the vaccine supply accordingly.

None of that is certain yet, as Dr. Glynn just said. HSE has only just started work on seeing what's feasible.

Strazdas · 12-04-2021 8:29pm

Icantthinkof1 wrote: »

What an absolute sh!tshow was due to get my 2nd AZ dose early next month (12weeks)
Are they recommending people wait until the 16weeks as that brings us to June- aren’t the U.K. results out then from the case studies they did with the mixed dosing?
As a hcw with a high risk medical condition this announcement is so upsetting but my condition is manageable I cannot imagine how others in cohort 4 feel hearing this news this evening
These people who are extremely vulnerable to the effects of Covid and who have been cocooning for the best part of a year now won’t even be fully vaccinated until July if even at all now

The good news for you is that the level of immunity is very high even after a single dose of AZ and your risk of being hospitalised with Covid is now extremely low.

funnydoggy · 12-04-2021 8:29pm

Is Parc Ui Chaoimh using any other vaccine other than AZ atm does anyone know?

lbj666 · 12-04-2021 8:30pm

[Deleted User] wrote: »

This thread is impervious to reason. I give up.

You are the one implying that herd immunity should be aided by younger cohorts simply getting immunity through infection rather than vacine and the chance of long covid that could go with that.

Off you go.

12-04-2021 8:30pm

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ACitizenErased wrote: »

None of that is certain yet, as Dr. Glynn just said. HSE has only just started work on seeing what's feasible.

Dr. Butler said it and the start, and just a minute ago. The availability of alternative vaccines influenced their decision and they felt that safety was the priority.

ACitizenErased · 12-04-2021 8:30pm

All AZ clinics cancelled tomorrow. That's the 180k this week out the window.
https://twitter.com/RobOHanrahan/status/1381690755614392323?s=20

ACitizenErased · 12-04-2021 8:31pm

Flying Fox wrote: »

Dr. Butler said it and the start, and just a minute ago. The availability of alternative vaccines influenced their decision and they felt that safety was the priority.

NIAC has nothing to do with the supply. Glynn just said that it's up to the HSE to decide and they're working on it now.

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