Relaxation of Restrictions, Part VI - Read OP for Mod Warnings

martingriff · 20-10-2020 10:02am

weldoninhio wrote: »

When PressUp gets their day in court, I'd nearly guarantee that the weasel govt will come out with the "guidelines and not rules" spiel that they used for the Ryanair/Aer Lingus court case. I've emailed Revenue multiple times asking what the laws (not guidelines) were regarding closing "my" pub under the "Living with Covid" levels, such as was I liable to any fines if I opened, could I lose my license, what powers the Gardai had to close me down and were these restrictions covered in law, or just guidelines.

They have so far refused to reply.

What the hell has revenue got to do with health or justice laws/guidelines. Maybe ask the correct department

martingriff · 20-10-2020 10:05am

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

Tubridy reckons if we behave people can come from the US for Christmas.

Utter diarrhoea from the talentless cretin

Hate the fool but if maybe followed the simple rules we would not be in this mess

martingriff · 20-10-2020 10:10am

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

Guest “Have a bath, take a deep breath”

Ryan “ yeah just get the bubbles going, have a glass of wine, I feel better already”

Please cut my ears off and pour hot engine oil into the crevice

And this is the reason he has the high numbers people listening and then go complaint just to feel better. Maybe if you turn of the news, boards, facebook, twitter and chat shows for a bit and did other stuff you may feel better

darconio · 20-10-2020 10:12am

Strumms wrote: »

The underlying conditions mob need to see a psychologist. A nice big collective get together. Next time somebody dies of cancer... “ ahhhh yeah, but they had an underlying condition, they only died WITH cancer “. Right :eek:

You are comparing a deadly disease, a mutation that is the second-leading cause of death in the world, with a virus that is not fatal unless you have underlying conditions. And even if you do have any, you are likely to be cured and survive.

Not sure who needs a psychologist

joeguevara · 20-10-2020 10:13am

martingriff wrote: »

What the hell has revenue got to do with health or justice laws/guidelines. Maybe ask the correct department

Legislation was searched and provided with a 2 minute search. A simple google of ‘Garda powers licences premised Ireland legislation gave a number 1 hit. Most newspapers reported it and editorial was in print and online.

Citizens information office had online and easy to find. A call to them would have had it within seconds.

The VFI and LVA had it front and centre. Law society gazette had it.

The police would assist if contacted, your solicitor (never heard of a pub without one) would provide it free of charge.

Your accountant would requested legal updates from their accredited body.

Local TD..1 minute.
In fact finding a revenue contact who would deal in criminal law and had a direct email would be the slowest and most bizarre way of going about it. If you were closed down for example having an unsafe work environment or for permitting criminal acts to be undertaken, would you send an email to revenue without do anything else?

martingriff · 20-10-2020 10:15am

Don't Chute! wrote: »

Nox, Ciara Kelly is an ACTUAL Doctor, not a Fisher Price one like yourself.

Ciara Kelly hasn't been an actual doctor is years. As soon as she realised she could leverage her own show and agenda she gave it all up. Has she not stop paying her fees to stay on the register

ThewhiteJesus · 20-10-2020 10:15am

SAMTALK wrote: »

All the people shouting for schools to close down and yet as you say schools should be riddled by now

I think it was actually one of the better decisions the government made, keeping the schools open. The kids need this stability now and to be honest the teachers whinging is getting a little wearing .

when do they ever not whinge to be fair this is like christmas for them

FintanMcluskey · 20-10-2020 10:16am

martingriff wrote: »

And this is the reason he has the high numbers people listening and then go complaint just to feel better. Maybe if you turn of the news, boards, facebook, twitter and chat shows for a bit and did other stuff you may feel better

Thanks for the advice.

Might run a hot bath with bubbles as well

martingriff · 20-10-2020 10:17am

Ginger n Lemon wrote: »

Covid has not killed 1.12m. 1.12 m (vast majority of whom were over the age of 80) have died while (or after) testing positive for PCR test.

Turn off RTE. Really.

So what if they were over 80 they died. Who knows how long more they could have lived. Have some respect

pgj2015 · 20-10-2020 10:19am

Tubridy reckons if we behave people can come from the US for Christmas.

Great, they can come home and bring covid with them, party at loads of different houses at christmas, then fcuk off back to american in january leaving us to deal with the fallout.

martingriff · 20-10-2020 10:20am

RugbyLad11 wrote: »

What's with the grave visit loophole?

Can't you just say you're visiting Micheal Collins grave or Bob's grave if stopped while outside the 5km radius?

No it is for people who want to visit graves of a deceased as they could not get to the funeral or anniversaries not for you to chuckle look I fooled them

Strumms · 20-10-2020 10:21am

darconio wrote: »

You are comparing a deadly disease, a mutation that is the second-leading cause of death in the world, with a virus that is not fatal unless you have underlying conditions. And even if you do have any, you are likely to be cured and survive.

Not sure who needs a psychologist

I’m sure who needs one

COVID 1,117,577 deaths

martingriff · 20-10-2020 10:23am

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

Only Covid no other health issues.

It is like that it is why they were formed with a narrow remit!!!!!!

FintanMcluskey · 20-10-2020 10:28am

martingriff wrote: »

It is like that it is why they were formed with a narrow remit!!!!!!

Correct Martin.

It is however misleading to refer to them as concerned with public health.

They are only concerned with the health effects of Covid, not cancer or mental health, or any of the other issues that fall under the public health umbrella

Micky 32 · 20-10-2020 10:28am

Strumms wrote: »

In WW2 in London, there were restrictions, about when people could be out and about, their behaviors, things like blackout curtains, curfews, rations etc".

This is a health war, people are dying.

Like in any war, or time of unprecedented difficulty, people are as individuals and as a collective, being expected to do the right thing. People have as a result of the situation we find ourselves in been delegated responsibilities and had to endure restrictions. They need to suck it up, quit their needy, greedy, fûcking asswipe ‘all about me’ whining and behave. DO their part. Not too much for six weeks, in the middle of a deadly pandemic to ask and expect behavior suitable to the situation we find ourselves .

Thankfully i’m lucky enough that the “ lockdown” won’t really affect me at all. Due to my work i can travel 1k a week, 5km doesn’t apply to me. I can have the household social bubble with my partner. At night I can still have my glass of vino while watching the tv, the moggy beside me.

The main thing i miss is travelling to family in the USA. Hopefully upcoming vaccines just might change that.

Whatsisname · 20-10-2020 10:28am

pgj2015 wrote: »

Tubridy reckons if we behave people can come from the US for Christmas.

Great, they can come home and bring covid with them, party at loads of different houses at christmas, then fcuk off back to american in january leaving us to deal with the fallout.

This is the kinda attitude that puts me off flying home for Christmas from the UK. Everyone was quick to blame anyone who flew into the country back in March and you had dickheads like Gemma O'Doherty confronting people who dared to fly home and it'll be the same come January.

martingriff · 20-10-2020 10:28am

joeguevara wrote: »

Legislation was searched and provided with a 2 minute search. A simple google of ‘Garda powers licences premised Ireland legislation gave a number 1 hit. Most newspapers reported it and editorial was in print and online.

Citizens information office had online and easy to find. A call to them would have had it within seconds.

The VFI and LVA had it front and centre. Law society gazette had it.

The police would assist if contacted, your solicitor (never heard of a pub without one) would provide it free of charge.

Your accountant would requested legal updates from their accredited body.

Local TD..1 minute.
In fact finding a revenue contact who would deal in criminal law and had a direct email would be the slowest and most bizarre way of going about it. If you were closed down for example having an unsafe work environment or for permitting criminal acts to be undertaken, would you send an email to revenue without do anything else?

Oh I agree. If he really did not know the legislation he could find it in 2 seconds. I be wondering did he really mail Revenue. Though I do work in Revenue and deal with post and some of the crap send to them I would not be surprised if they did

martingriff · 20-10-2020 10:29am

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

Thanks for the advice.

Might run a hot bath with bubbles as well

Enjoy:D

martingriff · 20-10-2020 10:34am

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

Correct Martin.

It is however misleading to refer to them as concerned with public health.

They are only concerned with the health effects of Covid, not cancer or mental health, or any of the other issues that fall under the public health umbrella

Yes that is why we have a government to make the ultimate decision. You know the 1 people were celebrating 2 weeks ago for showing them who rules. I suppose they need a big bad to help them through this which is fair enough

Penfailed · 20-10-2020 10:40am

galway_cowboy wrote: »

It's all a big laugh

https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2020/1020/1172624-covid-lee-analysis/

Hmm, it's almost like lockdown's don't make a difference and you as a society have to learn to live with the disease...

You quote where lockdown does make a difference and then draw the conclusion that they don't...?! There's no doubting that they make a difference...when it's in place. The issue is that once you come out of it, numbers rise. It's a balancing act.

martingriff · 20-10-2020 10:42am

Whatsisname wrote: »

This is the kinda attitude that puts me off flying home for Christmas from the UK. Everyone was quick to blame anyone who flew into the country back in March and you had dickheads like Gemma O'Doherty confronting people who dared to fly home and it'll be the same come January.

Come home. Be careful and don't mind what others say and have the best Christmas we can have

Penfailed · 20-10-2020 10:45am

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

Only Covid no other health issues.

The clue is in the name - National Public Health EMERGENCY Team. I'm sure, when other health emergencies come to the fore, they'll be all over them.

Zebra3 · 20-10-2020 10:49am

Penfailed wrote: »

The clue is in the name - National Public Health EMERGENCY Team. I'm sure, when other health emergencies come to the fore, they'll be all over them.

Very true, but the full name is rarely used.

People hear the phrase "Chief Medical Officer" and a substantial percentage will think this person is over all medical issues, kinda like a medically qualified version of the minister for health.

AUDI20 · 20-10-2020 10:50am

darconio wrote: »

You are comparing a deadly disease, a mutation that is the second-leading cause of death in the world, with a virus that is not fatal unless you have underlying conditions. And even if you do have any, you are likely to be cured and survive.

Not sure who needs a psychologist

If your going to make a statement, at least get your facts right. There is plenty of examples of people with no underlying conditions dying from Covid as well.

Captain_Crash · 20-10-2020 10:52am

Penfailed wrote: »

The clue is in the name - National Public Health EMERGENCY Team. I'm sure, when other health emergencies come to the fore, they'll be all over them.

Actually, their remit specifically states that they're to consider public health as a whole.

Ginger n Lemon · 20-10-2020 10:53am

Penfailed wrote: »

The clue is in the name - National Public Health EMERGENCY Team. I'm sure, when other health emergencies come to the fore, they'll be all over them.

I dont see how 1 person dying per day with covid on average since July in a country of 4,900,000 can be classed as emergency.

Maybe there is something we dont know about covid currently - thats why its an emergency?

Maybe HSE dont have PPE? Thats why its an emergency?

Pen help me out please, why is current situation classed as "emergency"?

martingriff · 20-10-2020 10:55am

darconio wrote: »

You are comparing a deadly disease, a mutation that is the second-leading cause of death in the world, with a virus that is not fatal unless you have underlying conditions. And even if you do have any, you are likely to be cured and survive.

Not sure who needs a psychologist

And the reason there death was hastened was Covid. My mother had cancer. However why she died in the end was lungs filling up but she died of cancer. That's the point

weldoninhio · 20-10-2020 11:03am

Allinall wrote: »

Why would you email Revenue?

They look after pub licenses and renewals.

Zebra3 · 20-10-2020 11:06am

Ginger n Lemon wrote: »

I dont see how 1 person dying per day with covid on average since July in a country of 4,900,000 can be classed as emergency.

Maybe there is something we dont know about covid currently - thats why its an emergency?

Maybe HSE dont have PPE? Thats why its an emergency?

Pen help me out please, why is current situation classed as "emergency"?

It was rightfully labelled an emergency back in March.

However that time has passed.

We are far more knowledgeable about it now and we know it won't wipe out humanity or come close to.

But it'll take real political leadership to explain to a lot of people why this is so.

Soundbites win, be it "granny killer", "take back control", "MAGA" or "hope".

greengrass88 · 20-10-2020 11:07am

Regarding underlying issues...my auntie who is mid 50s, very bad asthma her whole life, and is overweight tested positive (teenage son brought it home from school). She had no symptoms and is absolutely grand. Wonder how many others like her are petrified for their life due to the scaremongering

_Kaiser_ · 20-10-2020 11:09am

Zebra3 wrote: »

It was rightfully labelled an emergency back in March.

However that time has passed.

We are far more knowledgeable about it now and we know it won't wipe out humanity or come close to.

But it'll take real political leadership to explain to a lot of people why this is so.

Soundbites win, be it "granny killer", "take back control", "MAGA" or "hope".

Have RTE gone back to STAY LOCAL yet?

Or maybe they'll go with the new narrative SAVE XMAS instead?

Allinall · 20-10-2020 11:10am

weldoninhio wrote: »

They look after pub licenses and renewals.

The temporary closing of "your" pub has nothing to do with licencing.

I'd imagine the recipient of your email had a good chuckle, before hitting the delete button.

Allinall · 20-10-2020 11:11am

greengrass88 wrote: »

Regarding underlying issues...my auntie who is mid 50s, very bad asthma her whole life, and is overweight tested positive (teenage son brought it home from school). She had no symptoms and is absolutely grand. Wonder how many others like her are petrified for their life due to the scaremongering

She's lucky.

Not everyone has been, or will be as lucky as your aunt.

greengrass88 · 20-10-2020 11:14am

Allinall wrote: »

She's lucky.

Not everyone has been, or will be as lucky as your aunt.

I acknowledge others havent been as lucky, but it's also important to acknowledge that testing positive with numerous underlying issues and being above a certain age is not the death sentence many want to make out

galway_cowboy · 20-10-2020 11:14am

greengrass88 wrote: »

Regarding underlying issues...my auntie who is mid 50s, very bad asthma her whole life, and is overweight tested positive (teenage son brought it home from school). She had no symptoms and is absolutely grand. Wonder how many others like her are petrified for their life due to the scaremongering

I know of 5 people who've definitely had it. I just had contact with them via zoom but all excpet one described it as "meh".

And of course while RTE are scaring the beejesus out of everyone, let's return to the death rates

0-19 years: 0.00003%
20-49 years: 0.0002%
50-69 years: 0.005%
70+ years: 0.054%

Reckon Tubs will read that out ever? Nah, me neither.

weldoninhio · 20-10-2020 11:15am

Allinall wrote: »

The temporary closing of "your" pub has nothing to do with licencing.

I'd imagine the recipient of your email had a good chuckle, before hitting the delete button.

Ah well, at least it would have brightened up their day a bit.

20-10-2020 11:18am

Don't Chute! wrote: »

Nox, Ciara Kelly is an ACTUAL Doctor, not a Fisher Price one like yourself.

What’s her PhD in? Medical doctors are not actually doctors you know and shouldn’t have ever been allowed use the title.

joeguevara · 20-10-2020 11:24am

Captain_Crash wrote: »

How many cases were linked back to pubs? And how many cases are linked back to schools? Because ones been closed and the other “isn’t a significant factor in the rise of cases”

Regarding licences, Berlin D2 for their licence renewed despite Garda objection!

From every published article, the case has been put forward for hearing on the 28th October. The licence has not been renewed as far as I am aware and waiting for evidence to be heard.

https://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/court-challenge-to-berlin-bar-licence-1018870.html

darconio · 20-10-2020 11:26am

AUDI20 wrote: »

If your going to make a statement, at least get your facts right. There is plenty of examples of people with no underlying conditions dying from Covid as well.

That was probably back in March, not the case anymore now

Is not my fault if the mantra of this "crisis" is: protect the vulnerable.

It is either the vulnerable that are risking it or they aren't, every measure and every lockdown is to protect the vulnerable: so who are these vulnerable?

Yesterday 0 deaths, nobody with or without underlying condition died of this fatal virus, the truth is that we are learning to deal with corona, the sooner we acknowledge it the better.

Penfailed · 20-10-2020 11:29am

Ginger n Lemon wrote: »

Pen help me out please, why is current situation classed as "emergency"?

Oh, I don't know. I'd guess it's that Covid pandemic thing that's going on. Maybe you don't realise...it's why NPHET were set up.

Captain_Crash · 20-10-2020 11:32am

joeguevara wrote: »

From every published article, the case has been put forward for hearing on the 28th October. The licence has not been renewed as far as I am aware and waiting for evidence to be heard.

https://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/court-challenge-to-berlin-bar-licence-1018870.html

It’s been renewed, and the guards objected to the renewal and it’s going to a hearing. But as of now, they have a licence. This is effectively an appeal of that renewal!

Captain_Crash · 20-10-2020 11:33am

On another note! Stand up and take a bow Ciara Kelly

https://youtu.be/0-3caTzOpOU

iamwhoiam · 20-10-2020 11:37am

Jorge Limited Maze wrote: »

What’s her PhD in? Medical doctors are not actually doctors you know and shouldn’t have ever been allowed use the title.

2a : a person skilled or specializing in healing arts
especially : one (such as a physician, dentist, or veterinarian) who holds an advanced degree and is licensed to Practice

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/doctor

Cluedo Monopoly · 20-10-2020 11:38am

Many people are furious today. And with good cause.

josip · 20-10-2020 11:43am

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

Thanks for the advice.

Might run a hot bath with bubbles as well

Make sure he gets the tap end.

Kermit.de.frog · 20-10-2020 11:43am

Latest from Europe as restrictions gather pace and lock downs are being announced

Germany imposes local lockdown on Alpine hotspot

Germany is putting the Bavarian municipality of Berchtesgadener Land under lockdown from 2pm today, as the picturesque Alpine region becomes the country’s main coronavirus hotspot.

Schools, nurseries and restaurants will remain closed from today and after 2pm residents will not be allowed to leave their homes unless they have a strong reason to do so, such as work commitments, groceries shopping or outdoor exercise. The local lockdown is the first of its kind in Bavaria since April.

Navarre placed in lockdown for at least 2 weeks

In Spain, the government of the northern region of Navarre has announced that a two-week lockdown will come into effect from Thursday in a bid to slow a massive surge in Covid-19 cases in the area.

Spain recorded almost 38,000 new cases on Monday and has now logged almost 975,000 in total.

While the number of cases per 100,000 people across Spain is 312.2, the figure rises to 945.4 in Navarre.

Is just the start. Ireland is just ahead of the curve this time.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2020/oct/20/coronavirus-live-news-who-says-failure-to-quarantine-behind-soaring-case-rises

gmisk · 20-10-2020 11:46am

Captain_Crash wrote: »

On another note! Stand up and take a bow Ciara Kelly

https://youtu.be/0-3caTzOpOU

I can't wait for her follow up video with her alternative solution outlined in detail!

Captain_Crash · 20-10-2020 11:50am

gmisk wrote: »

I can't wait for her follow up video with her alternative solution outlined in detail!

You don’t need to have a solution to an issue recognise the approach taken as being of little benefit!

greengrass88 · 20-10-2020 11:52am

Thinking of leaving Dublin today or tomorrow and heading to the folks (other side of the country) for the duration of this lockdown...if I get stopped at a checkpoint can I just say I'm heading home?

Allinall · 20-10-2020 11:53am

greengrass88 wrote: »

Thinking of leaving Dublin today or tomorrow and heading to the folks (other side of the country) for the duration of this lockdown...if I get stopped at a checkpoint can I just say I'm heading home?

Go for it.

They're not going to say anything if you tell them what you're doing.

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Relaxation of Restrictions, Part VI - Read OP for Mod Warnings