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Star Trek: Lower Decks (animated series)

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,501 ✭✭✭✭Slydice


    7: I liked that. Was glad the
    farm turned out to exist
    . Really liked the nod to Chain of Command


  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    There has been more character development in a handful of short episodes than entire seasons of Discovery.
    That's depressing


  • Registered Users Posts: 12,713 ✭✭✭✭TheValeyard


    There has been more character development in a handful of short episodes than entire seasons of Discovery.
    That's depressing

    Was just thinking about that and you're right. I know more about the Lower Decks crew than the entire Discovery Bridge crew.

    All eyes on Kursk. Slava Ukraini.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,684 ✭✭✭✭Samuel T. Cogley


    Did get a lol out of the latest episode. The Pike chairs with the Bikini and the shirts!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,293 ✭✭✭✭AMKC
    Ms


    I was dissapointed with this episode. I think it was because episode 6 was so good. If this had come before 6 ok. It was good just not as good as the episodes before it. I do not think well trained Starfleet officers would be so incompetent that them things would happen either. Yes on strange new Worlds with new aliens things could go wrong and officers might get hurt or injured but not like they were suggesting. Still I thought that part with the other ship was good and why it was like that etc.

    Live long and Prosper

    Peace and long life.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,078 ✭✭✭Rawr


    There has been more character development in a handful of short episodes than entire seasons of Discovery.
    That's depressing

    They actually pulled off a decent bit of character development on Mariner. Now it makes a lot of sense that she knew more than the other lower decks officers.

    It's clear that she used to be a lot more Starfleet than now, as suggested by that DS9 flashback. I am interested to see what drove her away from higher rank.

    Loved the TAS reference there too :)


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 36,711 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    With the generally positive feedback on this finally had a go with the first episode.

    Knowing Mariner calms down later helped swallow the hyperactivity cos ye gods it was a bit much at times. Take a breath goddamnit. The tonal whiplash could be a bit much too as the sugar-rush comedy jarred with the very clear TNG era styling.

    But the rest of the episode was enjoyable, can't deny. The gags weren't particularly gut busting but got a few smiles from me. Which for a comedy pilot is good going in my experience.

    So yeah, I'll keep going.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,621 ✭✭✭JayRoc


    pixelburp wrote: »
    With the generally positive feedback on this finally had a go with the first episode.

    Knowing Mariner calms down later helped swallow the hyperactivity cos ye gods it was a bit much at times. Take a breath goddamnit. The tonal whiplash could be a bit much too as the sugar-rush comedy jarred with the very clear TNG era styling.

    But the rest of the episode was enjoyable, can't deny. The gags weren't particularly gut busting but got a few smiles from me. Which for a comedy pilot is good going in my experience.

    So yeah, I'll keep going.


    It can be tough getting over the fact that the main protagonist is so unlikeable.

    This is certainly unprecedented in any recent Star Trek series. Ahem.

    (Edit: but joking aside, I'm definitely inclined to give this show a fair shake. Hit and miss so far but the hits are great fun)


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 36,711 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    I didn't find Mariner unlikeable, just ludicruously breathless. She spoke like a YouTube star for adolescents. In actual fact, her character seemed quite interesting: there were clear hints towards all that outsized perfomative "no fúcks given" being a thin emotional shield. Given her parents' statsuses I'm guessing she ballsed up a career and is now trying deseprately to "own" her failure like a badge of honour. Thus projecting insecurity onto Boimler, a colleague openly enthusiastic about the very career path she (apparently) sabotaged. She can't let someone else enjoy what she lost.

    It's just the delivery was like being hit with a blow-dryer of dialogue. The above is just me spitballing of course, so who knows how it tracks against later actual episodes.

    Typing it out though, it's funny how the above reads 10x more interesting as characterisation than we get in Discovery - but that's one of the key advantages of Comedy IMO. The genre often gleefully mines from a point of insecurity; laughs got from peoples' foibles or hang-ups while at the same time affording genuine growth when the laughs are paused. It's not without reason the best sitcoms and comedies are the ones that also had the best or more insightful character developments. To me, comedy is the ultimate fiction because it can reveal a lot through ostensibly superficial laughs at characters' expense. Laughing in the face of adversity.

    Dramatic fiction doesn't have that crutch to fall on, and can only go at one relative speed. Serioues faces only please. So it's way too easy to slip into melodrama 'cos the tonal range afforded to the writers is much smaller. And when the writers aren't particularly fantastic either, Discovery yields these Big Emotional Moments that have no context, or the catharctic release of a well-timed fart :D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,033 ✭✭✭✭Stark


    pixelburp wrote:
    It's just the delivery was like being hit with a blow-dryer of dialogue. The above is just me spitballing of course, so who knows how it tracks against later actual episodes.

    You're pretty much spot on.


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  • Moderators, Computer Games Moderators Posts: 15,237 Mod ✭✭✭✭FutureGuy


    They could cancel all other Trek now and I'd be happy just to watch this.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,488 ✭✭✭Goodshape


    Episode 8, good stuff again.

    Episodic. Good-natured. Good fun.

    I like it :)


  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    The Senior crew were almost competent here!!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,501 ✭✭✭✭Slydice


    8: That was fun! Each part kept having so many moments that won me over. Even the little things like the off-hand
    Romulan
    remarks about the
    Remans


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,293 ✭✭✭✭AMKC
    Ms


    That was an alright episode. I thought the doctor getting lost while stupid was funny. Nice to see another ship design in the background as well. I had to laugh when the Captain asked Marineer to warn to Aliens and then what she done lol. Still might have added a bit to that myself by including maybe the tactical officer not been happy maybe about it. I loved the bit with cleaner lol. The Romulan war Birds were nice to see if a bit silly. A few nice little nods to TNG in it again too.

    Live long and Prosper

    Peace and long life.



  • Registered Users Posts: 12,713 ✭✭✭✭TheValeyard


    That was good fun. Some genuine laughs. Great seeing Q back, even if it was brief.




    Stop, I'm picking up Scanning! :D:D

    All eyes on Kursk. Slava Ukraini.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,078 ✭✭✭Rawr


    Gorn wedding?!!

    :D



    Some good jokes, not as strong a plot as some earlier episodes...but alright really. All-in-all, with only 2 episodes left they are doing well with this show. Would certainly return for a second season, and I'm actually hoping for one.


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 36,711 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    Watched episode 2 and yeah, slowly slowly Mariner not annoying'y. The worldly head teaching the bookish newb is a very old cliché but it's being carried off with a degree of skill.

    And one thing animation can do that live action Trek simply will never achieve is scale and the exotic. In two episodes I've seen more overtly alien creatures than the entirety of the franchise thus far. Crazy stuff. Only Saru comes close (Quark and Odo to a lesser extent)

    My only complaint so far is that it's not that funny in places. Or as funny as it thinks it is. Lots of wry chuckles but nothing majorly hilarious.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,488 ✭✭✭Goodshape


    pixelburp wrote: »
    Watched episode 2 and yeah, slowly slowly Mariner not annoying'y.

    Took me longer than two episodes not to hate the character but yeah, it gets better. Last two or three episodes have been much more of an ensemble.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,033 ✭✭✭✭Stark


    I'm really sad there's only 2 more episodes this season.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,928 ✭✭✭✭_Kaiser_


    It's definitely improved as the season has progressed, but I can't say I find it particularly funny to be honest.


  • Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 17,994 Mod ✭✭✭✭ixoy


    I've watched four episodes - Does Mariner get any less bloody annoying? Her hyperactivity and "always right" approach makes her like a manic version of Burnham. She's almost ruining the show for us.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,033 ✭✭✭✭Stark


    Unlike some other annoying Star Trek characters, Mariner shows character development as the show progresses. I've found her quite likeable in the more recent episodes with a lot of potential for more development. Reminds me a bit of Julian Bashir who was insufferable when first introduced but grew to be more likeable as the series progressed.


  • Registered Users Posts: 12,713 ✭✭✭✭TheValeyard


    Stark wrote: »
    Unlike some other annoying Star Trek characters, Mariner shows character development as the show progresses. I've found her quite likeable in the more recent episodes with a lot of potential for more development. Reminds me a bit of Julian Bashir who was insufferable when first introduced but grew to be more likeable as the series progressed.

    Yeah, early Bashir was a sleaze bag. Took Miles O'brien a couple of seasons to set him right!

    All eyes on Kursk. Slava Ukraini.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,033 ✭✭✭✭Stark


    Yeah, early Bashir was a sleaze bag. Took Miles O'brien a couple of seasons to set him right!

    https://www.facebook.com/doyletrek/photos/a.669746649898043/677770815762293/


  • Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators, Help & Feedback Category Moderators Posts: 25,504 CMod ✭✭✭✭Spear


    I really liked episode 9. There's plenty of valid satire of past Trek movies, and references to small details without being just heavy handed name dropping, and there's even continued character development by Mariner.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,488 ✭✭✭Goodshape


    BRILLIANT episode 9. Loved it :D

    Mariner's character is actually developing in interesting ways, and the send-up of the movies was great. "I may be getting on in years but I've not forgotten how to jet-ski" - or whatever the line was - genuine LOL.

    And the over-long shuttle to the ship in space dock. Really well done.

    Top marks.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,684 ✭✭✭✭Samuel T. Cogley


    Loved the way they even sent-up the score!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,606 ✭✭✭pah


    I've been enjoying this immensely after being highly skeptical before it came out. I thought episode 9 was fantastic. The movie animation was great, lens flare and all :lol: Would love to see a couple of cameos in future seasons for world building.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 162 ✭✭Daxve


    The dirt specks like on old film was a great touch, hardly noticeable but just catches to eye every now and then. Great episode in what has been a very good first season overall.


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