Star Trek: Lower Decks (animated series)

pixelburp

Justin Credible Darts wrote: »

saw people who love this show, and will promote this rubbish regardless claim the second episode has got better reviews.

That is hardly surprising though, if you are like me and thought the first episode sucked, you are hardly going to watch a second episode, so stands to reason the only people still watching would be those who are biased and going to give positive reviews.

Or maybe they just like the show and you don't. There's always that. Don't have to justify your own opinion by trashing others' motivations.

Justin Credible Darts

pixelburp wrote: »

Or maybe they just like the show and you don't. There's always that. Don't have to justify your own opinion by trashing others' motivations.

Well done on just proving what I said.


People who like the show are obviously more likely to give good reviews.
The people who thought it was rubbish have ceased watching.
Hence why the show is getting better reviews now those that dont like it have stopped watching.

pixelburp

Justin Credible Darts wrote: »

Well done on just proving what I said.


People who like the show are obviously more likely to give good reviews.
The people who thought it was rubbish have ceased watching.
Hence why the show is getting better reviews now those that dont like it have stopped watching.

Lol, ah so it's the "silent majority" now? That it only looks like people are enjoying it cos most have stopped watching? What you say makes no sense, as if because people liked a prior episode they must keep liking it? "Bias" as you say. Cmon. Stop having a go at people liking the episode. So you hate it, big whoop. This forum don't need no One True Scotsman nonsense

Justin Credible Darts

Why you are so fixated with the obvious logic that you even agreed with, when you clearly stated the people watching are those that "like the show"

Ergo those those that did not like it, have stopped watching, so with less negative viewers now watching, it is hardly rocket science the reviews from those watching would be be more likely be popular.

Seems you are only arguing for the sake of arguing because I did not like it.

Justin Credible Darts

Goodshape wrote: »

Wow that Mariner character is insufferable.

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one of the reasons I and others dislike the show.
That first episode with her was atrocious with her acting like a stroppy child with adhd or a someone on pcp

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If people find that character entertaining , good luck to them, but she is most definitely for me too irritating

TheValeyard

I thought the second episode was better than the first. Some proper laughs at this one. Very enjoyable.


'The Janeway Protocol'. :pac::pac:

Stark

TheValeyard wrote: »

I thought the second episode was better than the first. Some proper laughs at this one. Very enjoyable.


'The Janeway maneuver'. :pac::pac:

Kind of disappointed they didn't elaborate on that. Loved the follow up bit with the kindergarten being the first thing to get blown up during the enemy attack though

TheValeyard

Stark wrote: »

Kind of disappointed they didn't elaborate on that. Loved the follow up bit with the kindergarten being the first thing to get blown up during the enemy attack though

That was hilarious, and the follow up line...

pah

Not as frantic as episode 1, I enjoyed it more, couple of laughs from me. Needs to hit 6 proper laughs per episode.

_Kaiser_

Justin Credible Darts wrote: »

saw people who love this show, and will promote this rubbish regardless claim the second episode has got better reviews.

That is hardly surprising though, if you are like me and thought the first episode sucked, you are hardly going to watch a second episode, so stands to reason the only people still watching would be those who are biased and going to give positive reviews.

I don't know about that.

I really really dislike Discovery and thought they made a mess of Picard. As a result I won't be watching the next seasons of it.

This though, despite Mariner, feels more like TNG than anything else from them so far. Episode 1 was a mess but I thought it had the bones of a decent show in it. Episode 2 was a significant improvement save for Mariner again. I didn't laugh at all, but it didn't make me want to turn it off either which I was close to with the first one.

It's only 2 episodes into a new show. I'll give it a chance before I decide.

Justin Credible Darts

_Kaiser_ wrote: »

I don't know about that.

I really really dislike Discovery and thought they made a mess of Picard. As a result I won't be watching the next seasons of it.

Discovery has gotten better,even if burnham absolutely stinks, especially season 2, then again most of that was due to Anson mount and Rebecca romijn who carried the show, hence why I think Strange New Worlds will be fine, and season 3 of discovery needs to cut back the burnham nonsense.


Picard was something average, not something i would ever go back and watch with fondness, and not bothered if a season 2 of that ever happened.

_Kaiser_

Justin Credible Darts wrote: »

Discovery has gotten better,even if burnham absolutely stinks, especially season 2, then again most of that was due to Anson mount and Rebecca romijn who carried the show, hence why I think Strange New Worlds will be fine, and season 3 of discovery needs to cut back the burnham nonsense.


Picard was something average, not something i would ever go back and watch with fondness, and not bothered if a season 2 of that ever happened.

Discovery as a premise is broken from the start IMO and the execution has been even worse. Anson Mount was decent so he's getting his own show but that's incidental. I don't get the gushing over Rebecca Romijn from people - she was barely in it and completely forgettable IMO

Season 3 seems to be Burnham saving the timeline now :rolleyes: - I won't be watching.

Picard I had high hopes for but it fell off a cliff after the first episode, and the ending was abysmal. No interest in watching Android/Admiral Picard and his motley crew chase things in the same dark, grim, twisted universe that they've turned Trek into.

FutureGuy

_Kaiser_ wrote: »

Discovery as a premise is broken from the start IMO and the execution has been even worse. Anson Mount was decent so he's getting his own show but that's incidental. I don't get the gushing over Rebecca Romijn from people - she was barely in it and completely forgettable IMO

Season 3 seems to be Burnham saving the timeline now :rolleyes: - I won't be watching.

Picard I had high hopes for but it fell off a cliff after the first episode, and the ending was abysmal. No interest in watching Android/Admiral Picard and his motley crew chase things in the same dark, grim, twisted universe that they've turned Trek into.

You’ll end up watching both.

Even if only to know enough to be able to come on here to deride both

Greyjoy

That was a marked improvement over the first episode in that it provoked some genuine laughs from me. I liked Rutherford's holodeck training and Boimler's breakdown in the alleyway. But Mariner continues to be a hugely annoying character. Not only that she's hyper-competent at everything which actually makes her character quite boring.

Mariner knowing both the Klingon emissary and the Ferengi was too much of a stretch. The ferengi encounter would have worked just fine with her pretending not to recognise his species. Just have Mariner chuckle knowingly to herself on the way out of the bar. We didn't need the scene with her talking to her ferengi contact

I think the series saving grace is that it's only 20 minutes per episode so it's not a big investment to watch it. I couldn't stand mariner for a full 40 minutes / hour.

_Kaiser_

FutureGuy wrote: »

You’ll end up watching both.

Deleted User wrote: »

Even if only to know enough to be able to come on here to deride both

Nah.. enough is enough. I've too many other shows to watch/start without wasting any more time on either. The disappointment of Picard was the last straw as I really had high hopes for that show.

If all you wanted was gushing positivity in the episode threads though that's all you had to say

Justin Credible Darts

FutureGuy wrote: »

You’ll end up watching both.

Why would he ?
because you said it ?
You do know most people do not continue to watch things they dont like.
For me I never watched the animated series, saw one episode of lower decks and it was more than enough.


you declaring things as if they were fact does not make it fact.
Just because some people dont like something you like, should not mean you should get so defensive.

pah

Justin Credible Darts wrote: »

Why would he ?
because you said it ?
You do know most people do not continue to watch things they dont like.
For me I never watched the animated series, saw one episode of lower decks and it was more than enough.


you declaring things as if they were fact does not make it fact.
Just because some people dont like something you like, should not mean you should get so defensive.

I think you need to relax. Seems like banter between 2 regular posters.

Justin Credible Darts

does it make my point any less relevant ?

pah

Justin Credible Darts wrote: »

does it make my point any less relevant ?

Yes

pah

Justin Credible Darts wrote: »

Why would he ?
because you said it ?
You do know most people do not continue to watch things they dont like.
For me I never watched the animated series, saw one episode of lower decks and it was more than enough.


you declaring things as if they were fact does not make it fact.
Just because some people dont like something you like, should not mean you should get so defensive.

This made me LOL. You are stating your own opinions now as fact


Personally I disliked Discovery and Picard - overall.

There were some good characters, good episodes, good ideas etc but in general I disliked more than I liked.
I still watched it because I like Star Trek.

I didn't like the way Man Utd performed all year overall but I still watched their games. (Disclaimer - not a Man U fan - for analogous purposes only)

TheValeyard

Dont watch if you havent seen episode Two.

I thought it was very funny

Slydice

2: That was alright. I liked the line of the job-path that the engineer took. The

Ferengi

part was a bit easy to figure out before the reveal.

stesaurus

Watched the first two just now. Really enjoyed it. Clear Rick and Morty or Final Space vibes from it but in a good way.
I've no idea why so many here seem to be bitching about it. Its a 20 minute bit of fun.

pah

What I like about it and the potential it has is the premise of the lower decks having such a different slant on the classic tropes of your typical trek episodes.

How often did we see the bridge crew impart info to the rest of the ship when something weird was going on like a hostile alien on the loose or some creature suckling on the ship? That part of the opening credit is hilarious. Imagine looking out your quarters and seeing that as a newb ensign. WTF???

Justin Credible Darts

pah wrote: »

This made me LOL. You are stating your own opinions now as fact


Personally I disliked Discovery and Picard - overall.

There were some good characters, good episodes, good ideas etc but in general I disliked more than I liked.
I still watched it because I like Star Trek.

I didn't like the way Man Utd performed all year overall but I still watched their games. (Disclaimer - not a Man U fan - for analogous purposes only)

enlighten me, why would someone watch something they do not like just because some person on the internet said they would ?


I know if i do not like something I cease watching it,which is what I did.
why someone feels do defensive to claim others will keep watching is bizarre and very defensive

Evade

Reason to watch something you don't like:

• To make fun of it.
• Masochism, watching them beat the now dead horse of one of your favourite franchises.
• Self Delusion, hoping it will get better.
• Crippling self doubt, everyone else says it's good so it must be.

TheValeyard

Evade wrote: »

Reason to watch something you don't like:

• To make fun of it.
• Masochism, watching them beat the now dead horse of one of your favourite franchises.
• Self Delusion, hoping it will get better.
• Crippling self doubt, everyone else says it's good so it must be.

Ahhh, sounds like the crew of a Miranda class starship!

JayRoc

Justin Credible Darts wrote: »

enlighten me, why would someone watch something they do not like just because some person on the internet said they would ?


I know if i do not like something I cease watching it,which is what I did.
why someone feels do defensive to claim others will keep watching is bizarre and very defensive

You might not get it yourself, and that's fair enough.

But you said that no one would watch a show that they had previously not liked; we have examples (above) that as mad as it sounds it isn't always the case.

I've done it myself; hoping something gets better, maybe even getting a perverse enjoyment of seeing how low something can get..who knows.

I guess the point is, just because a particular person thinks a certain way, it doesn't mean other people do.

I'd say you're probably as well to leave it at that, tbh

Justin Credible Darts

JayRoc wrote: »

I guess the point is, just because a particular person thinks a certain way, it doesn't mean other people do.

spot on....and that was the point I was making when someone was telling others what they would and would not watch.

pah

Justin Credible Darts wrote: »

spot on....and that was the point I was making when someone was telling others what they would and would not watch.

I think it was more of a prediction than an order. The fact you think anyone could "tell" anyone else what to do on the internet is baffling tbh

Rawr

Just watched the first 2 episodes of Lower Decks now. I didn't expect to like it, in fact I was a little afraid I'd end up hating it. But...it was ok, I actually enjoyed bits of it. The Command Training was pretty funny as shown earlier. (I need to lookup "The Janeway Protocol")

Everything is a bit manic, but not to the degree that I originally feared. It's a silly show...but it's ok. About as silly as Final Space, which I did enjoy.

What I find remarkable about Lower Decks, is that for the first time in the guts of nearly 2 decades, it actually feels like I'm watching something that belongs in the TNG universe. (I can't count Picard alas, it references TNG but feels like Discovery)

The ship looks TNG, the interiors and props look TNG, and they have actual Klingons. This feels like a show that has been made by some people who have actually enjoyed pre-JJ Abrams Star Trek. I get the feeling that Kurtzman / Secret Hideout's involvement must have been minimal since a lot their trademark screwups appear to be missing.

This is the most Trek show I have seen in a good long while. It's an not incredibly good show, but it makes for a good 20-odd minute Trek cartoon that does not disappoint me like some of the more recent live-action offerings.

I do however feel like they should stop saying that it is "in cannon". This show clearly respects TNG cannon, but it should be allowed to play outside of that cannon. Just call it what it is; a TNG Parody. There's nothing wrong with that.

Rawr

TheValeyard wrote: »

Dont watch if you havent seen episode Two.

I thought it was very funny

I was trying to figure it out when I was watching that episode...but is that a Cardassian Tactical Officer there on the bridge? Hard to tell with the art style.

Greyjoy

Slydice wrote: »

... was a bit easy to figure out before the reveal.

That part for me summed up the show in a nutshell - it had a good core concept but the writers laid it on so thick it came across very ham-fisted & obvious.

AMKC

Rawr wrote: »

I was trying to figure it out when I was watching that episode...but is that a Cardassian Tactical Officer there on the bridge? Hard to tell with the art style.

Hard to tell. It could be or it could be another race or maybe like Spock or Belanna and half of two races. I thought he looked a bit Klingon like myself half Klingon maybe.

AMKC

So I was wondering recently myself when about is Lower Decks set in and low and behold woke up this morning and the site "Den of Geek" have it as been set in 2380 so 1 year after Nemesis and 2 years after Voyager got home. I would link it but can not do on the mobile so maybe someone else will. Anyway just nice to know and thought everyone in here would like to know that too.

Rawr

AMKC wrote: »

So I was wondering recently myself when about is Lower Decks set in and low and behold woke up this morning and the site "Den of Geek" have it as been set in 2380 so 1 year after Nemesis and 2 years after Voyager got home. I would link it but can not do on the mobile so maybe someone else will. Anyway just nice to know and thought everyone in here would like to know that too.

I think I remember reading similar. It would make sense given that they're flying around in a kit-bash of a Galaxy Class, Phasers are TNG style and the intro had D'deridex Class warbirds fighting the Borg. So very TNG / late TNG style stuff going on.

The last episode had a reference to Janeway there, which would suggest a time after Voyager had gotten home with enough time passed for that Captain to be a household name.

Also the Bajoran security cheif makes me wonder if he's one of the many Bajoran's who joined Starfleet on their own intiative, or if Bajor has actually joined the Federation and that he's been transferred in from the Bajoran Militia.

Evade

The stardate is only a few increments up from the last latest known stardate. That's how I figured it out at least.

FutureGuy

Justin Credible Darts wrote: »

Why would he ?
because you said it ?
You do know most people do not continue to watch things they dont like.
For me I never watched the animated series, saw one episode of lower decks and it was more than enough.


you declaring things as if they were fact does not make it fact.
Just because some people dont like something you like, should not mean you should get so defensive.

Ok Darts.

Goodshape

Episode 3:

Eh, pretty weak. Both the A and B story were just not very interesting or fun, and I can't stand Mariner. What's the point in having a "lower decks" character if she's already so damn good at everything she does, with the attitude to match.

The references to previous Trek characters are all a bit on-the-nose too.

TheValeyard

Rawr wrote: »

I think I remember reading similar. It would make sense given that they're flying around in a kit-bash of a Galaxy Class, Phasers are TNG style and the intro had D'deridex Class warbirds fighting the Borg. So very TNG / late TNG style stuff going on.

The last episode had a reference to Janeway there, which would suggest a time after Voyager had gotten home with enough time passed for that Captain to be a household name.

Also the Bajoran security cheif makes me wonder if he's one of the many Bajoran's who joined Starfleet on their own intiative, or if Bajor has actually joined the Federation and that he's been transferred in from the Bajoran Militia.

Think Bajor would have joined the Federation since the prophecy of the plague of locusts (Jem Hader attack ships) has passed.

pah

I'm liking this a little bit more each episode. Agree the callbacks etc are very on the nose.

FutureGuy

another great episode. The nostalgia alone is worth it.

Stark

TheValeyard wrote: »

Think Bajor would have joined the Federation since the prophecy of the plague of locusts (Jem Hader attack ships) has passed.

There were Bajorans in Starfleet even without Bajor joining Federation. Ensign Ro and Ensign Sito (from the TNG Lower decks episode) for instance.

Evade

Still no sign of an official release?

TheValeyard

Stark wrote: »

There were Bajorans in Starfleet even without Bajor joining Federation. Ensign Ro and Ensign Sito (from the TNG Lower decks episode) for instance.

This is also true

Spear

I thought episode 2 was very bland, and three was a significant improvement.

The aspect that I appreciate most, is when it takes more subversive jabs at Trekdom, e.g. two fisted punch, great bird of the galaxy, and was that a reference to Miles O'Brien at Work at the end? These are far more preferable to the on-the-nose callbacks.

Goodshape

Spear wrote: »

two fisted punch, great bird of the galaxy, and was that a reference to Miles O'Brien at Work at the end? These are far more preferable to the on-the-nose callbacks.

I thought those were the on-the-nose callbacks

Like he didn't just do some two-fisted punches, he paused for a moment and named them before doing it. And the great bird and Miles O'Brien were just words being said, they didn't have any relevance.

But anyway, I don't mind those too much -- there's just maybe too much of them! But I'm not sure I'm going to warm much to Mariner. Feel like she's suffocating the other characters.

Mariner has one major problem. She's exactly like one of the senior crew, just demoted back to lower decks

Goodshape

Deleted User wrote: »

Mariner has one major problem. She's exactly like one of the senior crew, just demoted back to lower decks

Yet also like a toddler on a sugar rush.

Everyone else seems like a fun send-up of a typical Starfleet character; like if you just dial back the comedy quirks you could see them blending into a normal crew. Mariner's just all quirks.