Star Trek: Lower Decks (animated series)

Justin Credible Darts

I have advertised my trek site on this forum in the correct place....the star trek thread for sites....believe it is a "sticky" in this forums index
I have posted pics I created in numerous threads on here also.
you do know it is possible to love TOS, voyager, enterprise, DS9, the movies etc, and not like cartoons like lower decks and the animated series.
They are not mutually exclusive.

_Kaiser_

GSPfan wrote: »

I don’t know if I’ll stick with this show long term if I’m honest. I don’t think it takes itself serious enough and I don’t think it’s funny for a show that tries to be. It’s got some funny moments but my primary emotion is annoyance.

I think this sums it up well. My recurring thought is "these people would never make it to the Academy, never mind senior positions"

Like take this latest episode - pretty good overall to be fair but marred by Mariner's childish antics and the other Captain putting the whole mission, and both ships and crews at risk because.. what? He was jealous? That just wouldn't happen!

It's frustrating because there IS a good show in here (unlike Discovery and Picard) but it's being dragged back constantly by what I presume is a poor effort to ape the success of The Orville

Goodshape

Justin Credible Darts wrote: »

Trek fans do get very defensive

Indeed you do.

_Kaiser_

One other thing.. so the ship was transformed by the alien compound and physically damaged by things bursting through doors and bulkheads... yet a quick gas release later, there's not a mark left?

Goodshape

_Kaiser_ wrote: »

yet a quick gas release later, there's not a mark left?

The good ol' Trek reset button?

_Kaiser_

Goodshape wrote: »

The good ol' Trek reset button?

Yea but the next scene was at spacedock.. just would have been more consistent to have the ship surrounded by a drydock undergoing repairs or something (eg: like the -E at the end of Nemesis)

Greyjoy

GSPfan wrote: »

I’m also not really understanding why they would call the show Lower Decks when every episode has heavy involvement with the senior officers. Surely it’d be better to base the show on the day to day mundane duties of the ensigns and sprinkle in some senior officer interaction.

Yeah, if the show is named "Lower Decks" then the stakes of each episode need to be lower as well. They can't be interacting every week with the senior staff to help save the ship.

Goodshape

Greyjoy wrote: »

Yeah, if the show is named "Lower Decks" then the stakes of each episode need to be lower as well. They can't be interacting every week with the senior staff to help save the ship.

That's mostly just Mariner though, isn't it? Acting like a (bad) senior officer just without the pips.

Same thing on Discovery. There was the interesting promise of a show not focused on the captain and senior officers but they couldn't help putting the main cast member in the middle of everything, solving every problem, out-smarting their superiors.

Greyjoy

_Kaiser_ wrote: »

Like take this latest episode - pretty good overall to be fair but marred by Mariner's childish antics and the other Captain putting the whole mission, and both ships and crews at risk because.. what? He was jealous? That just wouldn't happen!

It's frustrating because there IS a good show in here (unlike Discovery and Picard) but it's being dragged back constantly by what I presume is a poor effort to ape the success of The Orville

The Tellarite captain's actions were over the top but commanding a starship would take a lot of ego and self-confidence. It might have been justified better if they had established a rivalry between him and capt. Freeman.

But Mariner's action during the briefing were beyond insubordinate.The difference in this episode is that she suffered some actual consequences for her actions by getting transferred to command branch.

Rawr

Greyjoy wrote: »

But Mariner's action during the briefing were beyond insubordinate.The difference in this episode is that she suffered some actual consequences for her actions by getting transferred to command branch.

I kind of like the way her mother realized that promotion was the worst possible punishment for her.

The fact that she got promoted to Full Lieutenant for her senior staff role, kind of make me retroactively sorry for Harry Kim...yet again.

Janeway had him as a bridge officer for at least 7 years. He was essentially 6th or 7th In Command for the entire ship, and yet Janeway would never even throw him a Junior Lieutenant pip. Ops must be a thankless job on some starships

Stark

On the plus side for him, he did seem to get all the privileges of being a senior officer including plush spacious private quarters and being invited to all the senior staff meetings.

I generally wonder what extra privileges there are at each level.

Quarters is an obvious one. Many starship classes (including the Cerrito) make Ensigns share quarters while Lieutenant and higher get private quarters with more senior ranks get the more spacious plush ones with the nice window views. Harry already had nice quarters so no advantage for him there.
Extra holodeck time?
On Voyager, more replicator rations? Though it doesn't look like Janeway went for that as it seemed the senior officers had to ration just as much as the junior officers.
Maybe a few extra shore leave days here and there.
I can't image nicer replicator menu as depicted on Lower Decks being an actual thing outside of the animated comedy setting.

Doesn't seem like Harry was losing out other than not having the collar pip.

Rawr

Stark wrote: »

Quarters is an obvious one. Many starship classes (including the Cerrito) make Ensigns share quarters while Lieutenant and higher get private quarters with more senior ranks get the more spacious plush ones with the nice window views. Harry already had nice quarters so no advantage for him there.

That's one element I kind of enjoyed about Lower Decks is that they managed to one-up a concept of the original TNG episode Lower Decks by tossing the junior officers into corridor bunks. They don't even get a door!

You need to work your way up from being slightly less mediocre to earn some shared quarters

Just seemed wierd that Harry never got past the Ensign stage, despite having all of the trappings of a Lieutenant aboard Voyager. Although...I guess that ship was choc full of NCOs....which means an Ensign would outrank most people there anyway....

Evade

Rawr wrote: »

I always wished they'd do that more too. I get that budget/time constrains made it easier to just put a human there, but it would have been good to see more alien captains. It was a pan-galactic organisation after-all. Glad to see that animation is giving them a chance to draw in a properly alien-rich Starfleet.

Seth McFarlane made a point on one of the early season Family Guy commentaries that the great thing about animation is you can make a cut away gag in hell and it costs about as much as setting it anywhere else. Lower decks is the place to up the alien count as it costs about as much to design a human character as any other.

Evade

Rawr wrote: »

That's one element I kind of enjoyed about Lower Decks is that they managed to one-up a concept of the original TNG episode Lower Decks by tossing the junior officers into corridor bunks. They don't even get a door!

Undiscovered Country had corridor bunks on the Enterprise-A.

TheValeyard

[Deleted User] wrote: »

I want to see a Gallamite

A Tholian Hive. Or the Breen without the helmet and its something completely mental that cgi would be unable to copy successfully

TheValeyard

Evade wrote: »

Undiscovered Country had corridor bunks on the Enterprise-A.

So did the Excelsior

pixelburp

Would bunks be against the spirit of the Federation? Seems like giving people something fundamentally less than what they'd probably be entitled too on Earth / a Federation world isn't particularly Utopian.

Maybe Federation ships should be 99% automated, and only have a dozen sapients to act as hands-on staff. If nothing else it'd be cheaper to cast for

Evade

Starfleet is still a hierarchical meritocracy so "rank has it's privileges" is probably still a common saying in the 24th century. That or it's a little Heinleinien, "something given has no value."

TheValeyard

Surely not all aliens can sleep on bunk beds?

pah

Haven't posted here in a few days so I just skipped to the end. Did I miss anything?

breezy1985

Inviere wrote: »

Colour me not at all interested in a Star Trek themed adult comedy animated show How have we gone from Darmok and Jalad, to this level??

Absolute shaka

pah

breezy1985 wrote: »

Absolute shaka

When the walls fell

Inviere

Inviere wrote: »

Colour me not at all interested in a Star Trek themed adult comedy animated show How have we gone from Darmok and Jalad, to this level??

Sub Rosa, Allamaraine etc

pixelburp

Guys this is a Very Serious Scifi show, any comedy should be purely accidental:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5M53aE9jLdU

Rawr

Evade wrote: »

Starfleet is still a hierarchical meritocracy so "rank has it's privileges" is probably still a common saying in the 24th century. That or it's a little Heinleinien, "something given has no value."

I kind of like the idea that most of crew bunk this way. Makes Starfleet feel more like a space navy, which is what I always imagined it was.

I guess we got spoiled with Enterprise D. She was essentially a space cruise liner with warp nacelles

Rawr

pah wrote: »

When the walls fell

Star Trek with new series launched
Netflix at court, the court of silence
CBS All Access, with fists region closed
Rawr on the search engine
Rawr and Chrome at the streaming site
Shaka when the URL failed
Rawr his face black his eyes red
Working URL with arms wide
Rawr, at rest

Evade

Rawr wrote: »

I kind of like the idea that most of crew bunk this way. Makes Starfleet feel more like a space navy, which is what I always imagined it was.

I guess we got spoiled with Enterprise D. She was essentially a space cruise liner with warp nacelles

At least they don't have to hot bunk under normal circumstances like they do on submarines. The realism issue with the shared quarters on ships in Star Trek is the number of crew compared to the size of the ship. Voyager is a bit bigger than a Nimitz class carrier but only has a crew of ~150 compared to up to 6,000.

AMKC

I want to see some Grizzellas in it.

AMKC

AMKC wrote: »

I want to see some Grizzellas in it.

You can see them...









in 6 months

pah

Meh, ok episode. More unneccesary name dropping & references. 1 proper LOL when the red alien revealed the situation with his race. I'm ok with the F-Bombs in this for some reason V's the ones in Picard.