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Do you think nurses will get their payrise?

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  • #502
    Varta
    Closed Accounts Posts: 517 ✭✭✭Varta


    Twenty Grand wrote: »
    Id say educational psychologist is one of those make uppey jobs like guidance counselor, or is it just a fancy name for guidance counselor?

    Worse, they're the people who try to twist reality to make it seem that every pupil is equally brilliant.


  • #503
    alexmalalex
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 139 ✭✭alexmalalex


    This thread has derailed

    My suspicion is that Varta and Mary Brosnan are the same accounts...

    Nice try...


  • #504
    Varta
    Closed Accounts Posts: 517 ✭✭✭Varta


    Dia1988 wrote: »
    I won't play victim to your petty remarks.

    Previously you stated that architects were sheep

    Quote me as saying that Architects were sheep or apologise for lying.


  • #505
    Varta
    Closed Accounts Posts: 517 ✭✭✭Varta


    alexmalalex wrote: »
    This thread has derailed

    My suspicion is that Varta and Mary Brosnan are the same accounts...

    Nice try...

    Good thing you are not a detective.


  • #506
    alexmalalex
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 139 ✭✭alexmalalex


    Varta wrote: »
    Good thing you are not a detective.

    Same posting style...same IP address...etc...etc...


  • #507
    Geuze
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,758 ✭✭✭✭Geuze


    road_high wrote: »
    Anyone know how much of that is pensions?
    Outside of pensions it’s a scandal if the expenditure is increasing and deeply worrying at a time of full employment


    SW = 20bn approx

    Pensions is at least 6bn, let me check........

    http://www.welfare.ie/en/Pages/Annual-SWS-Statistical-Information-Report.aspx

    http://www.welfare.ie/en/downloads/Annual_Statistics_Report_2017.pdf

    Pensions = 7.38bn


  • #508
    Varta
    Closed Accounts Posts: 517 ✭✭✭Varta


    Varta wrote: »
    Good thing you are not a detective.

    But, yes, it has derailed. In answer to the OP, yes, nurses will get their increase, for the simple reason that it is a legacy issue.


  • #509
    Varta
    Closed Accounts Posts: 517 ✭✭✭Varta


    alexmalalex wrote: »
    Same posting style...same IP address...etc...etc...

    "Same IP address". This is a blatant lie. Can a moderator please take note. BTW How would you know my IP address?


  • #510
    MaryBrosnan
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 110 ✭✭MaryBrosnan


    alexmalalex wrote: »
    Same posting style...same IP address...etc...etc...

    Horotaio Caine is on boards folks :pac:


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  • #511
    Dia1988
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,252 ✭✭✭Dia1988


    alexmalalex wrote: »
    This thread has derailed

    My suspicion is that Varta and Mary Brosnan are the same accounts...

    Nice try...

    Yes and Twenty Grand too, they have really ganged up on me here.


    I've had previous dealings with Mary Brosnan and she is a leeech


  • #512
    Geuze
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,758 ✭✭✭✭Geuze


    Fann Linn wrote: »
    SW up 2 billion.

    Are you sure?

    2015 = 19.967bn
    2016 = 19.867bn
    2017 = 19.942bn


    http://www.welfare.ie/en/downloads/Annual_Statistics_Report_2017.pdf


  • #513
    Dia1988
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,252 ✭✭✭Dia1988


    Varta wrote: »
    Quote me as saying that Architects were sheep or apologise for lying.

    How the hell did this get planning?

    Architects are sheep. These days, there isn't a new build or extension that doesn't have an absurd narrow rectangular window. At least in most cases they are to the side or the rear

    1 month, 2 weeks in Accommodation & Property by Varta 72 Replies 7,133 Views 2 Thanks


  • #514
    Varta
    Closed Accounts Posts: 517 ✭✭✭Varta


    Dia1988 wrote: »
    Yes and Twenty Grand too, they have really ganged up on me here.


    I've had previous dealings with Mary Brosnan and she is a leeech

    Calling out your obvious lies and nonsense is ganging up on you?


  • #515
    alexmalalex
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 139 ✭✭alexmalalex


    Why not introduce performance-based pay for nurses?

    I was in A&E a few months ago with a relative. It really is fascinating to see the change-over of staff - nurses at 8pm and doctors at 10pm. I remember this one nurse, when he came on duty, was so efficient. The zone he was managing was messy - curtains askew, machines here and there, etc - he very quickly tidied the area, prioritized, and got things done proactively and quickly. Other nurses were sloppy, inefficient, and while hard working did not optimise time or resources

    So while I think there are natural limits to measuring and incentivizing performance, perhaps the solution is to give nurses a pay rise if they deliver on objectives.

    P.S. The nurse in question was Asian, and clearly had been very well trained. I believe international experience is a must for nurses, as it is for doctors.


  • #516
    Varta
    Closed Accounts Posts: 517 ✭✭✭Varta


    Dia1988 wrote: »
    How the hell did this get planning?

    Architects are sheep. These days, there isn't a new build or extension that doesn't have an absurd narrow rectangular window. At least in most cases they are to the side or the rear

    1 month, 2 weeks in Accommodation & Property by Varta 72 Replies 7,133 Views 2 Thanks

    Different context and a different thread. No way would you have had enough Leaving cert points to get into Psychology.


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  • #517
    Twenty Grand
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,452 ✭✭✭Twenty Grand


    Dia1988 wrote: »
    Yes and Twenty Grand too, they have really ganged up on me here.


    I've had previous dealings with Mary Brosnan and she is a leeech

    Yes, all the accounts who called you out on your bullsh*t are the same :rolleyes: Nice safe space youre creating for yourself there.


  • #518
    Varta
    Closed Accounts Posts: 517 ✭✭✭Varta


    Twenty Grand wrote: »
    Yes, all the accounts who called you out on your bullsh*t are the same :rolleyes: Nice safe space youre creating for yourself there.

    Assuming 1988 refers to the year he/she was born, he/she really should have a life by now and explore something other than Internet fora in his/her's ageing mother's box room.


  • #519
    Dia1988
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,252 ✭✭✭Dia1988


    Twenty Grand wrote: »
    Yes, all the accounts who called you out on your bullsh*t are the same :rolleyes: Nice safe space youre creating for yourself there.

    tumblr_msbn732oNP1rdutw3o1_400.gif


  • #520
    Gimme A Pound
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,482 ✭✭✭Gimme A Pound


    I don't know the full context here obviously - maybe there are good grounds for thinking Dia is full of it, but surely folk haven't been fooled by Mary?


  • #521
    freshpopcorn
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,840 ✭✭✭✭freshpopcorn


    Mod Note Guys can ye get back on topic please!


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  • #522
    Dia1988
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,252 ✭✭✭Dia1988


    Belen Eager Tadpole wrote: »
    I don't know the full context here obviously - maybe there are good grounds for thinking Dia is full of it, but surely folk haven't been fooled by Mary?

    Excuse me?

    Can you explain "full of it"?


  • #523
    Dia1988
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,252 ✭✭✭Dia1988


    freshpopcorn wrote: »
    Mod Note Guys can ye get back on topic please!

    I've been ganged up on by Twenty Grand, Vartra, and Mary Brosnan. Can you dismiss them !


  • #524
    Gimme A Pound
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,482 ✭✭✭Gimme A Pound


    Dia1988 wrote: »
    Excuse me?

    Can you explain "full of it"?
    Oh I don't know. They're criticising you about something - I don't know whether they have grounds to as I haven't been reading all the replies, so I can't say whether I'd agree with them or not. I'll have a read of the context now so.

    I certainly agree with your views on Mary. You'll enjoy this one: https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=109072938#post109072938


  • #525
    alexmalalex
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 139 ✭✭alexmalalex


    Belen Eager Tadpole wrote: »
    Oh I don't know. They're criticising you about something - I don't know whether they have grounds to as I haven't been reading all the replies, so I can't say whether I'd agree with them or not. I'll have a read of the context now so.

    I certainly agree with your views on Mary. You'll enjoy this one: https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=109072938#post109072938

    Can we please keep the thread on topic per the mods instructions...


  • #526
    Gimme A Pound
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,482 ✭✭✭Gimme A Pound


    Dia1988 wrote: »
    Those nurses do **** all anyway only sit down at nurses station and bitch how everything is so unfair for them and they're over worked, despite they sitting down for half their shift!
    Ah right - what bollox. How on earth could you expect people not to criticise you over that spiteful comment in relation to people who are charged with taking care of very sick/dying people.

    They're not right to be having a go at your job, which is a real thing, but look at you having a go at the nursing profession. Pretty ignorant of an educator too.


  • #527
    Dia1988
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,252 ✭✭✭Dia1988


    Belen Eager Tadpole wrote: »
    Ah right - what bollox. How on earth could you expect people not to criticise you over that spiteful comment in relation to people who are charged with taking care of very sick/dying people.

    They're not right to be having a go at your job, which is a real thing, but look at you having a go at the nursing profession. Pretty ignorant of an educator too.

    This observation was on foot of first hand information.


  • #528
    Gimme A Pound
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,482 ✭✭✭Gimme A Pound


    Dia1988 wrote: »
    This observation was on foot of first hand information.
    One anecdote hardly means they do **** all anyway - you know full well that's not true. 40 minutes at the work station does not mean all day. If they do **** all, then there are a lot of patients being left to die. It's a fact that frontline health workers are run off their feet.


  • #529
    alexmalalex
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 139 ✭✭alexmalalex


    Dia, you are out of line


    ...maybe come back to the forum when you have cooled down


  • #530
    Dia1988
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,252 ✭✭✭Dia1988


    Belen Eager Tadpole wrote: »
    One anecdote hardly means they do **** all anyway - you know full well that's not true. 40 minutes at the work station does not mean all day. If they do **** all, then there are a lot of patients being left to die. It's a fact that frontline health workers are run off their feet.

    Are you on your 13hour shift now?


  • #531
    MaryBrosnan
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 110 ✭✭MaryBrosnan


    alexmalalex wrote: »
    Dia, you are out of line


    ...maybe come back to the forum when you have cooled down

    Are you the police?


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  • #532
    Dia1988
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,252 ✭✭✭Dia1988


    MaryBrosnan wrote: »
    Are you the police?

    Thanks Mary for sticking up for me here!


  • #533
    Gimme A Pound
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,482 ✭✭✭Gimme A Pound


    Dia1988 wrote: »
    Are you on your 13hour shift now?
    The "You defend a group so you must be involved with them" comeback, because there is no way a person couldn't be involved with them if they defend them. I suppose I am involved in that my mother worked as a nurse, and no way would I do that extremely tough job.

    I think you realise now though that what you said was out of line and not based on anything much, and at least we can agree on Mary.


  • #534
    Tell me how
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,972 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    Looks like a good nights sleep would benefit many. Night night.


  • #535
    MaryBrosnan
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 110 ✭✭MaryBrosnan


    Tell me how wrote: »
    Looks like a good nights sleep would benefit many. Night night.

    Night John, don’t forget to set your alarm. Deidre will have you if you turn up late again.


  • #536
    Dia1988
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,252 ✭✭✭Dia1988


    MaryBrosnan wrote: »
    Night John, don’t forget to set your alarm. Deidre will have you if you turn up late again.

    At least John gets up in the morning for work unlike you!


  • #537
    Dia1988
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,252 ✭✭✭Dia1988


    Belen Eager Tadpole wrote: »
    The "You defend a group so you must be involved with them" comeback, because there is no way a person couldn't be involved with them if they defend them. I suppose I am involved in that my mother worked as a nurse, and no way would I do that extremely tough job.

    I think you realise now though that what you said was out of line and not based on anything much, and at least we can agree on Mary.
    So Mommy's a nurse so you won't have a bad thing said about nursing.

    Don't be so patronising to me !


  • #538
    MaryBrosnan
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 110 ✭✭MaryBrosnan


    Dia1988 wrote: »
    At least John gets up in the morning for work unlike you!
    I work night shift, I have to sleep some time.


  • #539
    Gimme A Pound
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,482 ✭✭✭Gimme A Pound


    Dia1988 wrote: »
    So Mommy's a nurse so you won't have a bad thing said about nursing.
    No, all the difficult aspects of the job. Look, it was a stupid thing to say that a long tea break on a long shift = doing **** all for the whole day when it's a fact that they're run off their feet. Just deal with it.


  • #540
    Dia1988
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,252 ✭✭✭Dia1988


    Belen Eager Tadpole wrote: »
    No, all the difficult aspects of the job. Look, it was a stupid thing to say that a long tea break on a long shift = doing **** all for the whole day when it's a fact that they're run off their feet. Just deal with it.

    Only you said long tea breaks and 40 minutes, I never mentioned that. You're making up stuff to defend nurses.

    A g good majority a moany whiney lazy that sit chatting for the vast period of their shift. I've seen this myself.


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  • #541
    square ball
    Registered Users Posts: 397 ✭✭square ball


    Glenbhoy wrote: »
    She's very much the exception then, a recent report into pay and conditions carried out the department of public expenditure found that 83% of nurses earn in excess of €40k. Incidentally, the same report found starting salaries to be over €30k and when allowances are added in new graduates could earn over €36k.
    The same report mentioned that the Hse estimate that the average nurse/midwife earns over €11k in allowances on top of their basic salary.

    She works in a day ward Monday to Friday and doesn't have to work nights/weekends. So doesn't get any allowances except the one for doing her postgrad which brings her up to the €35k.


  • #542
    Padraig Mor
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,582 ✭✭✭Padraig Mor


    square ball wrote: »
    The girlfriend is qualified over 5 years and getting paid €35k before tax having done a post grad and is responsible for giving out chemo to her patients. A teacher after 5 years is on over €41k. 35k before tax is very low for the stress, extra hours and responsibility.

    I don't believe you.

    At 5 years post qualification her basic salary should be €34876 - presumably the €35k you reference. However, if she has done an Oncology HDip (which would have been paid for her, and for which she would have had paid time off) and is working in an Oncology unit, as your post implies, she will also be receiving an allowance of €2791. Again, this is before any of the premium payments for late / weekend work which would further enhance her salary significantly if she's doing standard shifts. My betting is that, in reality, she is on more than the teacher you reference.

    edit: crossed with previous post clarifying hours.


  • #543
    Glenbhoy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,853 ✭✭✭Glenbhoy


    square ball wrote: »
    She works in a day ward Monday to Friday and doesn't have to work nights/weekends. So doesn't get any allowances except the one for doing her postgrad which brings her up to the €35k.

    That makes sense alright. How does the pay scale work though, is she not on the 5th point of the scale then or are increments not annual etc, just trying to understand as it seems out of kilter with what's out in the public domain.


  • #544
    hawkelady
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,357 ✭✭✭hawkelady


    Am I wrong in presuming that teachers are paid more that nurses who are both on the same level , as in teacher and nurse both qualified same amount of years but teacher is on higher wage .. I always thought that was a given ? Which is unfair I believe. Both professions needed but I would believe that nursing is more stressful due to longer days and a fraction of the holidays.
    They both should be on a par at least


  • #545
    road_high
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,480 ✭✭✭✭road_high


    hawkelady wrote: »
    Am I wrong in presuming that teachers are paid more that nurses who are both on the same level , as in teacher and nurse both qualified same amount of years but teacher is on higher wage .. I always thought that was a given ? Which is unfair I believe. Both professions needed but I would believe that nursing is more stressful due to longer days and a fraction of the holidays.
    They both should be on a par at least

    I wouldn't put Nursing on the same plane as Teaching- technically, academically there is just no comparison. Someone teaching Leaving Cert Physics or Maths at Higher Level....i know someone that trained as a Nurse in England having failed pass Maths here. To be blunt about it the same academic capacity is not required as they are completely different professions using different skills and education.


  • #546
    mariaalice
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,630 ✭✭✭✭mariaalice


    No 18 year old filling out a CAO form is going to be checking out the salary and conditions to the silly degree some here are implying they should, in the first few years its not bad pay wise in comparison to their peers it way falls behind after that though.

    Its a lot to do with the changes in society, for example all jobs have become a lot more accountable, very few job allow the sort of coasting or not being psychologically present that would have happened in times gone by.

    Society has become wealthier, so if a nurse male or female becomes a parent and their other half has a decent job and they are refused part time or flexible work, they will do agency work instead there is loads of work so why bother if you are not being met half way. In the 1980s it would have been different and so on.

    We are transitioning to similar wealthy western countries, all the lower level job will be done by immigrant's who are often highly educated.


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  • #547
    mariaalice
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,630 ✭✭✭✭mariaalice


    road_high wrote: »
    I wouldn't put Nursing on the same plane as Teaching- technically, academically there is just no comparison. Someone teaching Leaving Cert Physics or Maths at Higher Level....i know someone that trained as a Nurse in England having failed pass Maths here. To be blunt about it the same academic capacity is not required as they are completely different professions using different skills and education.

    You still need a degree and they are not handed out like smarties, comparing the contents of a degree is a bit petty.


  • #548
    chopperbyrne
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,041 ✭✭✭✭chopperbyrne


    My wife's a psychiatric nurse.

    She didn't vote for strike action.

    The PNA are going to compensate her to the tune of €15 a day.


  • #549
    road_high
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,480 ✭✭✭✭road_high


    mariaalice wrote: »
    You still need a degree and they are not handed out like smarties, comparing the contents of a degree is a bit petty.

    That's debatable but anyhow....why can't we compare contents of Degrees? People seem very happy to compare salaries so let's compare the intellectual capacities and knowledge behind them.


  • #550
    Fann Linn
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,819 ✭✭✭Fann Linn


    chopperbyrne wrote: »
    My wife's a psychiatric nurse.

    She didn't vote for strike action.

    The PNA are going to compensate her to the tune of €15 a day.


    Well she could leave her union and go to work. Or else respect the result of the ballot. Her choice.


  • #551
    mariaalice
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,630 ✭✭✭✭mariaalice


    road_high wrote: »
    That's debatable but anyhow....why can't we compare contents of Degrees? People seem very happy to compare salaries so let's compare the intellectual capacities and knowledge between them.

    No they are comparing degree required for the job which it is, its a very public service thing.

    Now whether you need a degree for the job is a different question, you do in today climate because of the level of responsibility.


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