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Eir Fibre Rollout Mapping

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,555 ✭✭✭✭Marlow


    I'm a little confused by some of this. I live within about 120m of a cabinet that has gone live in Dublin 5, yet all of the testing sites I visit say that the only speeds available to me are up to 100Mbps.

    Cabinets have nothing to do with FTTH. FTTH is fed from the exchange. So to avail of FTTH, the exchange (not the cabinet) needs to be FTTH enabled.

    Cabinets will only relate to FTTC, which is VDSL and max 100 Mbit/s

    /M


  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Thanks a million lads / ladettes


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,017 ✭✭✭tsue921i8wljb3


    Thanks a million lads / ladettes

    No problem. I meant to say to you that you can check availability with your Eircode here

    https://www.eir.ie/broadband/1000mb-fibre/

    just in case you are in one of the few urban areas that have FTTH.


  • Registered Users Posts: 222 ✭✭copperspock


    No problem. I meant to say to you that you can check availability with your Eircode here

    https://www.eir.ie/broadband/1000mb-fibre/

    just in case you are in one of the few urban areas that have FTTH.

    'Great News!
    Fibre to the Home is available at..' Woohoo, finally! I didn't notice them doing any work recently but I'm guessing I wouldn't get a false positive?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,017 ✭✭✭tsue921i8wljb3


    'Great News!
    Fibre to the Home is available at..' Woohoo, finally! I didn't notice them doing any work recently but I'm guessing I wouldn't get a false positive?

    I have no reason to believe it would be a false positive.

    You should be able to order services from any of the ISPs listed here with a green home icon:

    https://fibrerollout.ie/rollout-map/where-to-buy/


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 528 ✭✭✭WhatsGoingOn2


    'Great News!
    Fibre to the Home is available at..' Woohoo, finally! I didn't notice them doing any work recently but I'm guessing I wouldn't get a false positive?

    I get that too, but when I put in my phone number it is not available. Not available on airwire site either, so good be a false positive


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,017 ✭✭✭tsue921i8wljb3


    I get that too, but when I put in my phone number it is not available. Not available on airwire site either, so good be a false positive

    All FTTH is ordered through Eircode. It not being available for your phone number is not an indication that you can't order. Often there is an issue with matching phone numbers to Eircodes.

    However the Airwire checker tends to be updated more often so if your Eircode is failing on that it would be more indicative of an issue.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,555 ✭✭✭✭Marlow


    If it's failing on the Airwire checker, then the Eircode might have been matched to the wrong subscriber line on the Eir checker.

    Fibre-lines and Eircodes are 2 different databases. If they've updated with files from different dates, they've made a mess.

    Failing on the phone number is less indicative. They've not always joined that data properly up. Probably one of the reasons, why you can't check on phone number on the Airwire checker.

    /M


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 528 ✭✭✭WhatsGoingOn2


    Marlow wrote: »
    If it's failing on the Airwire checker, then the Eircode might have been matched to the wrong subscriber line on the Eir checker.

    Fibre-lines and Eircodes are 2 different databases. If they've updated with files from different dates, they've made a mess.

    Failing on the phone number is less indicative. They've not always joined that data properly up. Probably one of the reasons, why you can't check on phone number on the Airwire checker.

    /M

    I am getting ports not available.
    Have already ordered through Airwire, they say it will be available early December. First got notification that it was due to go live early August after Eir initially saying early 2018, so all very frustrating. ( And obviously not Airwires fault, their communication on the situation has been excellent)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,555 ✭✭✭✭Marlow


    I am getting ports not available.
    Have already ordered through Airwire, they say it will be available early December. First got notification that it was due to go live early August after Eir initially saying early 2018, so all very frustrating. ( And obviously not Airwires fault, their communication on the situation has been excellent)

    One of those exchanges, where OpenEIR got in trouble with the build so. Unfortunate, but at least there is a timeline.

    The reason it's available on Eirs checker then is because they ignore the flag, that the port is unavailable. Not helping the situation.

    /M


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,057 ✭✭✭UrbanFret


    I got FTTH 3 weeks back. I am still not on the map and when I put in my phone number it is not available.
    Make of that what you will?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,017 ✭✭✭tsue921i8wljb3


    UrbanFret wrote: »
    I got FTTH 3 weeks back. I am still not on the map and when I put in my phone number it is not available.
    Make of that what you will?

    The map has not been updated since May and looks unlikely to be in the future. The phone number and Eircode databases eir use are separate and in a lot of cases the Eircode is not matched to the number which is why it is failing. Enjoy the new connection!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,057 ✭✭✭UrbanFret


    The map has not been updated since May and looks unlikely to be in the future. The phone number and Eircode databases eir use are separate and in a lot of cases the Eircode is not matched to the number which is why it is failing. Enjoy the new connection!


    Thanks. Its been a great change from 5mb to 50mb. 140 if you are close to the router and have a 5G device.;)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,062 ✭✭✭AirBiscuit


    They're fairly far behind in West Mayo if cabinets need the fibre which is being strung on the poles in order to function, the road between Newport and Mulranny is one done as far as 53°54'24.5"N 9°39'49.7"W
    https://goo.gl/maps/tbhRXn4B1aq with Mulranny already due to be live since the summer


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,555 ✭✭✭✭Marlow


    AirBiscuit wrote: »
    They're fairly far behind in West Mayo if cabinets need the fibre which is being strung on the poles in order to function, the road between Newport and Mulranny is one done as far as 53°54'24.5"N 9°39'49.7"W
    https://goo.gl/maps/tbhRXn4B1aq with Mulranny already due to be live since the summer

    Cabinets only refers to VDSL as in FTTC. There is no real estimation, whey or if they will complete those, as they're going to roll out FTTH to urban areas from next summer.

    All that's being focused on right now is FTTH.

    /M


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,062 ✭✭✭AirBiscuit


    Marlow wrote: »
    Cabinets only refers to VDSL as in FTTC. There is no real estimation, whey or if they will complete those, as they're going to roll out FTTH to urban areas from next summer.

    All that's being focused on right now is FTTH.

    /M

    I had it wrong so. I thought they were doing FTTC in an area first then FTTH once the cabinet was live.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,555 ✭✭✭✭Marlow


    AirBiscuit wrote: »
    I had it wrong so. I thought they were doing FTTC in an area first then FTTH once the cabinet was live.

    No. The rollout of FTTC and FTTH is completely independant. In most cases it's actually the other way around.

    The cab may have been dropped, but they only fibre connect it once the FTTH deployment is done in the area and while they have the crew around.

    Seen that happening in a few places. Cabinet typically going live a month after FTTH is done and dusted.

    /M


  • Registered Users Posts: 16 k3v1n


    UrbanFret wrote: »
    I got FTTH 3 weeks back. I am still not on the map and when I put in my phone number it is not available.
    Make of that what you will?

    Ditto for me .... sort of. I saw the telegraph poles outside the house and it looked like FTTH was imminent. I called Eir sales and they took my number, ran a 'test' and told me it wasn't available at my address. After seeing a note here somewhere (thanks whoever that was) that a lookup by eircode was more accurate, I tried again the following day - this time via online chat and quoted my eircode instead. Lo and behold.... we **can** get FTTH and it's ordered and due to be installed next week.


  • Registered Users Posts: 8 Western Seagull


    CONGRATULATIONS, THIS IS FANTASTIC INFORMATION

    I have failed to add an exchange location at the following location:

    Clerihan
    Ballycornane
    Co. Tipperary
    52.413170, -7.756581

    It is a Fibre Active Small Exchange exactly at the coordinates provided.

    I am a new user so maybe do not have access yet.
    I am logged in to my gMail Account so that is not the issue anyway.
    Maybe someone can add this for me.
    Thanks,


  • Registered Users Posts: 84 ✭✭GSRNBP


    I live off the Navan Road in Dublin 7 (Blackhorse Ave side rather than Cabra side) and don't have fibre in the area - there were 3 or 4 KN vans around yesterday morning and then a KN engineer with an ipad going to all the poles in the area for about 2 hours. I'm guessing that's related to eir fibre rollout meaning maybe it will be available in my area soon?


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,017 ✭✭✭tsue921i8wljb3


    GSRNBP wrote: »
    I live off the Navan Road in Dublin 7 (Blackhorse Ave side rather than Cabra side) and don't have fibre in the area - there were 3 or 4 KN vans around yesterday morning and then a KN engineer with an ipad going to all the poles in the area for about 2 hours. I'm guessing that's related to eir fibre rollout meaning maybe it will be available in my area soon?

    I would imagine it is related to fibre. Were they telephone poles or electricity poles they were surveying? I'm not sure if KN do surveying for SIRO. Soon might be being over optimistic though. Probably six months at least if they are only starting now.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,555 ✭✭✭✭Marlow


    I would imagine it is related to fibre. Were they telephone poles or electricity poles they were surveying? I'm not sure if KN do surveying for SIRO. Soon might be being over optimistic though. Probably six months at least if they are only starting now.

    SIRO uses various companies (Celtic Fibre, KN, TLI, Obelink, Actavo, Huawei, etc.) across the board .. so it's not impossible.

    But KN also does work for ESB.

    Until the DPs go up, it's not going to be sure.

    /M


  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    This might be a really stupid question and there are are way too many posts here to go back to see if it's already been answered....but do you have to have an eircom landline to avail of their fibre broadband service??
    We had our landline disconnected recently, although the cables etc are still coming to the house.

    Now I've heard that they are starting to bring fibre to our area and naturally I'd be interested.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,555 ✭✭✭✭Marlow


    inthehat wrote: »
    This might be a really stupid question and there are are way too many posts here to go back to see if it's already been answered....but do you have to have an eircom landline to avail of their fibre broadband service??
    We had our landline disconnected recently, although the cables etc are still coming to the house.

    Now I've heard that they are starting to bring fibre to our area and naturally I'd be interested.

    For VDSL (FTTC) .. yes. But most providers will reconnect that for you.

    For FTTH (fibre all the way into your home) ... NO !!

    So when you say fibre broadband service, you need to specify, what you're talking about. What Eir calls "eFibre" is not really fibre. It's copper to a cabinet.

    /M


  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Marlow wrote: »
    you need to specify, what you're talking about.

    /M


    Thanks Marlow.
    I realise now I haven't the faintest idea what i'm talking about :D
    However after some frantic googling I think it's the one where they'll be using the existing cable ( we're really out in the sticks here) so I guess it's VDSL, and hopefully as you say they will reconnect us.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,555 ✭✭✭✭Marlow


    inthehat wrote: »
    ( we're really out in the sticks here)

    Other way around.

    If you're really out in the sticks, it's going to be a new shiney fibre all the way into the house.

    Check https://fibrerollout.ie/rollout-map/ .. find your premise on the map and if it has a house logo, then it's fibre.

    If it's in a green shaded area, then it's copper ... what Eir call "eFibre".

    /M


  • Registered Users Posts: 84 ✭✭GSRNBP


    I would imagine it is related to fibre. Were they telephone poles or electricity poles they were surveying? I'm not sure if KN do surveying for SIRO. Soon might be being over optimistic though. Probably six months at least if they are only starting now.

    I think it was phone (I think power might be underground on my street) but not positive. Thanks


  • Registered Users Posts: 14 eoin.h


    UrbanFret wrote: »
    I got FTTH 3 weeks back. I am still not on the map and when I put in my phone number it is not available.
    Make of that what you will?

    UrbanFeet, I'm curious as to how you went about ordering FTTH without being on the map?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,017 ✭✭✭tsue921i8wljb3


    eoin.h wrote: »
    UrbanFeet, I'm curious as to how you went about ordering FTTH without being on the map?

    The map on fibrerollout is not accurate and cannot be relied upon. As open eir have progressed they have added premises to their build that were never marked on the map and are still not as the map has not been updated for months.

    The only way to know if you are covered is to enter your Eircode on one of the retail ISP checkers:

    http://www.airwire.ie/avail

    https://www.eir.ie/broadband/1000mb-fibre/

    If your premises passes on one or both of these you should be able to order.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,344 ✭✭✭Thoie


    Marlow wrote: »
    No. The rollout of FTTC and FTTH is completely independant. In most cases it's actually the other way around.

    The cab may have been dropped, but they only fibre connect it once the FTTH deployment is done in the area and while they have the crew around.

    Seen that happening in a few places. Cabinet typically going live a month after FTTH is done and dusted.

    /M

    Trying to get my head around FTTC vs FTTH.

    There's a "fibre" enabled exchange about 1km (by road - it's 500m as the crow flies) from my house. There's another one about 2km away. Both of these are showing in the https://fibrerollout.ie/rollout-map/ as being live for fibre, but also say "xxx premises in this exchange can now access up to 100Mb/s fibre broadband" (which sounds like FTTC, not FTTH). There's a 3rd exchange, about 2.5km away saying "xx can now access up to 100Mb/s fibrebroadband with yyy premises able to access 1000Mb/s fibre"

    So I'm guessing Exchange 3 is properly fibre enabled, and the first two aren't?

    There are two FTTC enabled cabinets between my house and Exchange 1. Someone in Eir told me that for proper FTTH, cabinets have nothing to do with it. I had kind of assumed once an exchange was enabled, then they'd use the existing fibre to the cabinet, and then just introduce new fibre the last bit from the cabinet to the house. But he made it sound like you'd bypass the cabinet and your fibre cable would run directly from your house all the way to the exchange. That doesn't sound right - you'd end up with 13k+ individual cables all arriving in to a single exchange. Is that really how it's done?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,555 ✭✭✭✭Marlow


    Yes .. exchange 3 would be FTTH enabled and you would only be able to avail of it if:

    1) you're hanging of that exchange

    2) the fibre is physically passing your house.

    And no .. there are 24 fibres in the cable from the exchange. And each of those fibres can carry 32 premises who are connected sequentially to the same fibre. It's not a dedicated fibre per premise to the exchange.

    As for FTTC, it could be literally 100s of copper lines from the cabinet to the premises, but they're all connected back using one fibre only to the exchange. Again. Nothing to do with FTTH.

    /M


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,344 ✭✭✭Thoie


    Marlow wrote: »
    And no .. there are 24 fibres in the cable from the exchange. And each of those fibres can carry 32 premises who are connected sequentially to the same fibre. It's not a dedicated fibre per premise to the exchange.

    Thanks, that makes a lot more sense than what the eir guy was saying.

    So each cable can serve 768 premises. My nearest exchange currently caters for about 10,000 premises (which would need about 13 cables for them all to get FTTH). Is there an upper limit on the number of cables an exchange can take?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,017 ✭✭✭tsue921i8wljb3


    Thoie wrote: »
    Thanks, that makes a lot more sense than what the eir guy was saying.

    So each cable can serve 768 premises. My nearest exchange currently caters for about 10,000 premises (which would need about 13 cables for them all to get FTTH). Is there an upper limit on the number of cables an exchange can take?

    There is no point trying to count cables in order to estimate the number of premises served. Each fibre is split multiple times over an exchange area. Look up GPON splitting to get an idea of what is going on.


  • Registered Users Posts: 201 ✭✭Gunner3629


    Marlow wrote: »
    Yes .. exchange 3 would be FTTH enabled and you would only be able to avail of it if:

    1) you're hanging of that exchange

    2) the fibre is physically passing your house.

    And no .. there are 24 fibres in the cable from the exchange. And each of those fibres can carry 32 premises who are connected sequentially to the same fibre. It's not a dedicated fibre per premise to the exchange.

    As for FTTC, it could be literally 100s of copper lines from the cabinet to the premises, but they're all connected back using one fibre only to the exchange. Again. Nothing to do with FTTH.

    /M

    If there is that many customer using up to 1Gbps, what would the trunk fiber be capable of bandwidth-wise, I'm guessing it's only 10Gbps, but maybe its more. Single mode?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,555 ✭✭✭✭Marlow


    Gunner3629 wrote: »
    If there is that many customer using up to 1Gbps, what would the trunk fiber be capable of bandwidth-wise, I'm guessing it's only 10Gbps, but maybe its more. Single mode?

    The GPon stretch, that up to 32 customer share is 2.5 Gbit/s down, 1.25 Gbit/s up.

    The exchange probably has 10 Gbit/s full duplex or multiples thereof. Could also be 40 or 100 Gig interfaces.

    The average FTTH user uses less than 3 Mbit/s on average ..

    /M


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  • Registered Users Posts: 414 ✭✭redunited


    Currently, have FTTC, recently FTTH was upgraded from the same exchange but it misses everyone in the village and only serves those living on the outskirts of the village in all directions.

    I just happen to live on the edge of the village, but literally on the edge of FTTC but not on the start of FTTH. All the checkers say I can only get FTTC.

    The main FTTH cable goes past my house and serves people across the road from me, and further up the main road. but will not serve those of us on the other side of the road.

    I can even see the pole across the road that has the FTTH box on it. (Damn thing is teasing me!)

    Is it worth calling Eir and begging them to connect me to the pole, or FTTH cable that is literally meters from my front door, ir is it just a waste of time?

    Thanks


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 590 ✭✭✭Toxica


    I put my eircode into the airwire website and it says the only thing available is VDSL...I’m struggling to believe I can get this where I live, I saw TLI engineers putting up fibre boxes on telephone poles a couple of weeks ago in my area but the last one was put up about a quarter of a mile away from my house and according to the fibre rollout map they won’t be rolling it out on my road. Can I really get better broadband than what I have now (2.5mb)???


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,898 ✭✭✭KOR101


    The correct thread for these questions is.....

    https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2057871133&page=530


  • Registered Users Posts: 3 trekkypj02


    Okay, so I've been away in the US for a few years, and I lost access to my old boards.ie account.
    But I wanted to share my news.

    My parents are finally going to get FTTH in Coan, Co. Kilkenny. The Airwire eircode checker estimates availability from May 8, 2019. And my parents confirmed that they are hanging fibre on the poles. So it might FINALLY happen.

    I spent literally years pestering Eircom and then Eir about getting them DSL, without success. The local phone exchange was originally on the infamous 2007 list for DSL upgrades but it never happened. Probably because the exchange in the village seems to have been using a microwave radio link for phone service.

    My folks have been suffering with patchy 4G internet since the NBS scheme using a Three modem (and dial-up before that) and there's a hill partially blocking the signal so it was poor at best.

    I'm holding my breath...


  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    trekkypj02 wrote: »
    So it might FINALLY happen.

    .


    Good news for your parents Trekkie:) And (no offence) Coan is pretty much off the beaten track so it's good to see a REAL rural area being serviced.

    Unfortunately my area is still not included in any scheme, so I'm doomed to the 3 modem for the foreseeable future, even though I'm a lot nearer to Kilkenny city. But at least the signal with it is reasonable most of the time.


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  • Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 28,820 Mod ✭✭✭✭oscarBravo


    inthehat wrote: »
    ...Coan is pretty much off the beaten track so it's good to see a REAL rural area being serviced.

    Pfft. Blacksod has FTTH now - Coan is a sprawling metropolis by contrast.

    :pac:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,709 ✭✭✭jd


    trekkypj02 wrote: »
    Okay, so I've been away in the US for a few years, and I lost access to my old boards.ie account.
    But I wanted to share my news.

    My parents are finally going to get FTTH in Coan, Co. Kilkenny. The Airwire eircode checker estimates availability from May 8, 2019. And my parents confirmed that they are hanging fibre on the poles. So it might FINALLY happen.
    ..

    I'm holding my breath...
    Johnswell down the road has FTTH now.


  • Registered Users Posts: 222 ✭✭copperspock


    We finally got our fibre in last week (Donegal), it was only delayed by about two years :D. It turns out we could have had it installed weeks ago, but we had to contact Eir to give them yet another kick up the bum.


  • Registered Users Posts: 190 ✭✭limerick_woody


    Is there a way to know how long it will be from fibre running to the pole outside my house (left in links at the bottom of the pole), and when it will be available? Should i expect it soon (weeks/months/years)?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,555 ✭✭✭✭Marlow


    Weeks to months. Not years. If you are listed as planned with a blue house on the fibrerollout map that is.

    If you're in a green shaded VDSL area, then not this or next year.

    This is assuming, that you are talking OpenEIR poles. Not SIRO/ESB ones.

    /M


  • Registered Users Posts: 190 ✭✭limerick_woody


    I'm on the blue-route, so yea, weeks to months - sweet. I'll be working from home more!

    Thanks for the response.


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,522 ✭✭✭paleoperson


    How long after the poles being put up should it take for you to be able to connect to it?

    I thought once the poles were up that was that. But it's been a while now and it still says it's unavailable at my address?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 433 ✭✭radar0976


    How long after the poles being put up should it take for you to be able to connect to it?

    I thought once the poles were up that was that. But it's been a while now and it still says it's unavailable at my address?

    In our case it was about 2 months between when the black boxes appeared on the poles and when the lines were actually active and available to install to the house.


  • Registered Users Posts: 30 crocked77


    I checked on the fibre rollout map and although my parents live in an area that is enabled for fibre it is not available on the eir website. Is my best bet contacting eir although that hasn't helped historically.

    It's available about 5 houses down the road but I guess this will be slower the further it is from the exchange. They show planned blue houses further up the road but I assume that does not mean FTTH rather they plan to extend the line in the future. Would that simply be a new cabinet that they need to install then?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,555 ✭✭✭✭Marlow


    crocked77 wrote: »
    I checked on the fibre rollout map and although my parents live in an area that is enabled for fibre it is not available on the eir website. Is my best bet contacting eir although that hasn't helped historically.

    It's available about 5 houses down the road but I guess this will be slower the further it is from the exchange. They show planned blue houses further up the road but I assume that does not mean FTTH rather they plan to extend the line in the future. Would that simply be a new cabinet that they need to install then?

    First of all, what are you talking about ?

    With VDSL (aka Fibre to the Cabinet or what Eir calls eFibre) the speed depends on the distance from the cabinet alright. And a cabinet is needed. That's the green shaded areas.

    With FTTH (fibre all the way into your home), that's the green and blue houses. And distance means nothing for speed there. The full speed is available to all houses connected ... doesn't matter how far .. no cabinets needed . it all comes from the exchange and stretches up to 20km out.

    /M


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