Margaret Cash steals €300 worth of clothes from Penneys and aftermath/etc!

gormdubhgorm · 04-12-2018 2:50pm

Trigger Happy wrote: »

Should I pull my kids out is school to avoid getting labeled a part time parent?

If it bothers you yes, if not no.
Obviously it would affect the child's education which is not a good thing.
That is just what I view two working parents as with a child/children who works to pay the childminder.
I know it is not an unpopular thing to say.
Yeah the standard of living is better.
But the parents are exhausted and they have to make 'quality time' at the weekend.
If people are happy with that grand.

I doubt the majority of travellers would be since they value thier family above all else (with exceptions like any other group of course)

lawred2 · 04-12-2018 2:50pm

cloudy90210 wrote: »

those days were class tbf.

the wimminz at home makin the dinner for you and absolutely gaggin for some action after being alone the whole day

shur even if she wasn't gagging - you could bate it in to her anyway - great times

few belts here and there to release the tension - kept it healthy you know

04-12-2018 2:51pm

cloudy90210 wrote: »

whats that pre-tell me

Had to keep all those DURTY housewives windows polished up before dinner time. But couldn’t start work till the milk man had come.

ohnonotgmail · 04-12-2018 2:51pm

gormdubhgorm wrote: »

If it bothers you yes, if not no.
That is just what I view two working parents as with a child/children who works to pay the childminder.
I know it is not an unpopular thing to say.
Yeah the standard of living is better.
But the parents are exhausted and they have to make 'quality time' at the weekend.
If people are happy with that grand.

I doubt the majority of travellers would be since they value thier family above all else (with exceptions like any other group of course)

the majority of travellers would be unhappy because it meant they had a job and had to pay their own way.

cloudy90210 · 04-12-2018 2:51pm

gormdubhgorm wrote: »

If it bothers you yes, if not no.
That is just what I view two working parents as with a child/children who works to pay the childminder.
I know it is not an unpopular thing to say.
Yeah the standard of living is better.
But the parents are exhausted and they have to make 'quality time' at the weekend.
If people are happy with that grand.

I doubt the majority of travellers would be since they value thier family above all else (with exceptions like any other group of course)

They don't value family above all else. This is where your viewpoint is completely off the scales. Nonce

xi5yvm0owc1s2b · 04-12-2018 2:51pm

gormdubhgorm wrote: »

But there are positives in traveller culture as well.

For you, the "positives in Traveller culture" amount to a stubborn determination to keep on living in the 1930s, largely at the taxpayer's expense, and with only one meaningful role for a woman to play: having and raising children.

You praise lifelong welfare-dependent Travellers for being "mothers first" while scorning working women as "career-obsessed" and as "part-time" parents.

Your defense of Traveller culture is really just a vehicle to promote social conservatism. For you, Travellers represent a throwback to an idealized time when contented women stayed at home raising happy kids and comely maidens danced around the maypole.

You have nothing meaningful to say about the many social issues -- illiteracy, unemployment, crime, antisocial behavior, consanguineous marriage, feuding, suicide, and so on -- that plague Traveller communities to a far greater extent than settled communities. That's because the realities of Traveller life don't mesh well with your romanticized, nostalgic, rose-tinted view of them.

lawred2 · 04-12-2018 2:52pm

gormdubhgorm wrote: »

If it bothers you yes, if not no.
That is just what I view two working parents as with a child/children who works to pay the childminder.
I know it is not an unpopular thing to say.
Yeah the standard of living is better.
But the parents are exhausted and they have to make 'quality time' at the weekend.
If people are happy with that grand.

I doubt the majority of travellers would be since they value thier family above all else (with exceptions like any other group of course)

ok

you're boring

cloudy90210 · 04-12-2018 2:52pm

Strawberry Milkshake wrote: »

Had to keep all those DURTY housewives windows polished up before dinner time. But couldn’t start work till the milk man had come.

Is it on amazon?

Gwen Cooper · 04-12-2018 2:53pm

KrustyUCC wrote: »

Basically in the past when a woman married she had to leave

https://www.thejournal.ie/giving-up-work-when-married-1852776-Dec2014/

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

Basically when a woman got married she gave up her job. It applied in the civil service, the banks and other places.

lawred2 wrote: »

once married, many women had to leave government, civil and public service positions

I'm sure many private organisations followed suit

think it wasn't fully lifted until the seventies

the halcyon days where gormdumbgorm is concerned

Thanks! Sounds like fun.

Deebles McBeebles · 04-12-2018 2:57pm

Not sure how long you've been here Gwen but you'll soon see this country is very slow to catch up in a lot of ways.

Gwen Cooper · 04-12-2018 3:03pm

Deebles McBeebles wrote: »

Not sure how long you've been here Gwen but you'll soon see this country is very slow to catch up in a lot of ways.

8.5 years now, most of my adult life really, I came here from Eastern Europe right after I finished school.

Some things are appalling - divorces not legal until 1996, you still have to be separated for god-knows-how-many years in order to get a divorce, now the marriage ban. And don't even get me started on the waiting times in healthcare. Came to A&E one night and was told that I'm lucky and the waiting time is only 6 hours tonight. Or that time when there was something wrong with my brain and I needed a scan to rule out a tumour and they told me that I can either wait 18 months or go private.

EDIT: AND THE 8TH AMENDMENT OMFG

Trigger Happy · 04-12-2018 3:05pm

Gwen Cooper wrote: »

8.5 years now, most of my adult life really, I came here from Eastern Europe right after I finished school.

Some things are appalling - divorces not legal until 1996, you still have to be separated for god-knows-how-many years in order to get a divorce, now the marriage ban. And don't even get me started on the waiting times in healthcare. Came to A&E one night and was told that I'm lucky and the waiting time is only 6 hours tonight. Or that time when there was something wrong with my brain and I needed a scan to rule out a tumour and they told me that I can either wait 18 months or go private.

EDIT: AND THE 8TH AMENDMENT OMFG

Yeah but apart from all that most of us are lovely!

Plumbthedepths · 04-12-2018 3:06pm

Gwen Cooper wrote:

Some things are appalling - divorces not legal until 1996, you still have to be separated for god-knows-how-many years in order to get a divorce, now the marriage ban. And don't even get me started on the waiting times in healthcare. Came to A&E one night and was told that I'm lucky and the waiting time is only 6 hours tonight. Or that time when there was something wrong with my brain and I needed a scan to rule out a tumour and they told me that I can either wait 18 months or go private.

Surely wherever you came from is more appalling than here, just an observation before you take a different meaning.

xi5yvm0owc1s2b · 04-12-2018 3:09pm

Gwen Cooper wrote: »

8.5 years now, most of my adult life really, I came here from Eastern Europe right after I finished school.

Some things are appalling - divorces not legal until 1996, you still have to be separated for god-knows-how-many years in order to get a divorce, now the marriage ban. And don't even get me started on the waiting times in healthcare. Came to A&E one night and was told that I'm lucky and the waiting time is only 6 hours tonight. Or that time when there was something wrong with my brain and I needed a scan to rule out a tumour and they told me that I can either wait 18 months or go private.

EDIT: AND THE 8TH AMENDMENT OMFG

To be fair, given the history of Eastern Europe in the twentieth century, most things that happened in Ireland were relatively mild by comparison.

Deebles McBeebles · 04-12-2018 3:09pm

Gwen Cooper wrote: »

EDIT: AND THE 8TH AMENDMENT OMFG

Don't forget contraception was only legalised in 1980 and you couldn't get a bloody Playboy til 1995.

Deebles McBeebles · 04-12-2018 3:12pm

Rex Tasteless Gutter wrote: »

To be fair, given the history of Eastern Europe in the twentieth century, most things that happened in Ireland were relatively mild by comparison.

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

Surely wherever you came from is more appalling than here, just an observation before you take a different meaning.

I don't think its a comparison lads. I brought up Ireland being backward in some ways and Gwen pointed out a few.

lawred2 · 04-12-2018 3:12pm

Gwen Cooper wrote: »

8.5 years now, most of my adult life really, I came here from Eastern Europe right after I finished school.

Some things are appalling - divorces not legal until 1996, you still have to be separated for god-knows-how-many years in order to get a divorce, now the marriage ban. And don't even get me started on the waiting times in healthcare. Came to A&E one night and was told that I'm lucky and the waiting time is only 6 hours tonight. Or that time when there was something wrong with my brain and I needed a scan to rule out a tumour and they told me that I can either wait 18 months or go private.

EDIT: AND THE 8TH AMENDMENT OMFG

legacy issues take time to unwind, especially where changing the constitution is concerned - quite clearly today's Ireland is a long way apart from the Ireland that constituted such provisions...

either way I wouldn't get too worked up about if I were you

the marriage ban was lifted nearly half a century ago
divorce was introduced 22 years ago

the abortion thing took too long but clearly that vote could and shoud have been had much sooner than it was

don't forget Ireland was the first country to have a successful popular vote on same sex marriage so it's clearly not the socially backward kip it once was

Gravelly · 04-12-2018 3:12pm

Deebles McBeebles wrote: »

Don't forget contraception was only legalised in 1980 and you couldn't get legally buy a bloody Playboy til 1995.

Oh we got them alright :P

gormdubhgorm · 04-12-2018 3:13pm

Also I nearly forgot the working parents educate thier children which is great.
Travellers should also educate thier children by the way.
But it also cannot be ignored that many working parents treat thier educators as handy childminders while they are at work.
Once the there are holidays for the kids there are the usual gripes about teachers etc.
The kids are hindrance to them.
The working parents want either state education / childminding to do the majority of thier parenting for them.
As that is what the parents have become accustomed too.
This is in contrast to the travellers who are there for thier own kids.
A 'stay a home mother' in general society is a phrase well used now.
But I have never heard the phrase stay at home traveller mother:D
Because, That might actually be giving travellers some praise!?

Deebles McBeebles · 04-12-2018 3:14pm

Gravelly wrote: »

Oh we got them alright :P

Hahaha back in the days when you could find porno mags "growing" in random hedges.

Gwen Cooper · 04-12-2018 3:15pm

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

Surely wherever you came from is more appalling than here, just an observation before you take a different meaning.

See it's complicated. Back there I couldn't stand the people. The iron curtain might have fallen, but the mentality is still there. People don't trust each other. They don't look out for each other. Everyone has their secrets and god forbid if someone hears you talking about them. I always struggled to connect with the people there.

On the other side, they have free healthcare without any waiting times, you usually see the specialist you need on the same day or the next day. They don't have to get their kids baptized to make sure that they will get to a school nearby. Religion is pretty much non-existent there. Divorce? Grand, sign these papers, done (well not as easy but it's basically just paperwork). Women can choose what to do with their bodies.

I was 21 when I came here "just for a few months" but I really connected with the people here, I immediately felt like I'm home, that this is where I'm supposed to be. So I stayed.

I wouldn't be able to go back to my home country now - I only worked there for about 9 months in 2009, have no friends there, no future really. The only reason why I'm coming back is my family. And I get extremely anxious after a few days. The people just have a different vibe there and I can't take it.

Plumbthedepths · 04-12-2018 3:16pm

Deebles McBeebles wrote:

I don't think its a comparison lads. I brought up Ireland being backward in some ways and Gwen pointed out a few.

I'll be honest here, slating a country you willing choose to emigrate too is a bit bizarre in my opinion. I travel to Eastern Europe on a regular basis. Every country has a past that leaves alot to be desired Ireland is no different.

Deebles McBeebles · 04-12-2018 3:16pm

gormdubhgorm wrote: »

A 'stay a home mother' in general society is a phrase well used now.
But I have never heard the phrase stay at home traveller mother:D
Because, That might actually be giving travellers some praise!?

Could that be because they are all at home? Whether they like it or not?

Its like saying no one ever praises me for being bound by the laws of gravity.

Deebles McBeebles · 04-12-2018 3:19pm

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

I'll be honest here, slating a country you willing choose to emigrate too is a bit bizarre in my opinion. I travel to Eastern Europe on a regular basis. Every country has a past that leaves alot to be desired Ireland is no different.

Racism is still rife there for example, absolutely. I wouldn't take offence to someone pointing out the issues they have found here though.

Gwen Cooper · 04-12-2018 3:21pm

lawred2 wrote: »

legacy issues take time to unwind, especially where changing the constitution is concerned - quite clearly today's Ireland is a long way apart from the Ireland that constituted such provisions...

either way I wouldn't get too worked up about if I were you

the marriage ban was lifted nearly half a century ago
divorce was introduced 22 years ago

the abortion thing took too long but clearly that vote could and shoud have been had much sooner than it was

don't forget Ireland was the first country to have a successful popular vote on same sex marriage so it's clearly not the socially backward kip it once was

True dat!

One of the reasons I like Ireland is that it is showing the willingness to change. People are actively fighting for what they believe is right.

Back where I come from you're told just to be quiet, keep walking and for god sake don't stand out no matter what.

It's moving in the right direction here. I'm not slating the country, just some of the things that are wrong here. I think I'm entitled to some complaining as a proper taxpayer

gormdubhgorm · 04-12-2018 3:21pm

lawred2 wrote: »

ok

you're boring

While because I am not playing to your narrative.
Because you find a group think and general traveller bashing is much for fun?
One wagon of a despicable individual it gives people a licence to brand them all.

Yet when I point out a major flaw in the non-traveller community - (part-time parents) there is uproar!
There is one thing you cannot accuse this wagon (Margaret Cash) of is being a part-time parent.
She may be misguided/uneducated etc but she will see/has seen her children growing up in their formative years.
She not be one of those who looks at the pictures and cards the child has created while in the childminders. Where the parent only has second-hand news of how thier child has got on.

Plumbthedepths · 04-12-2018 3:22pm

Deebles McBeebles wrote:

Racism is still rife there for example, absolutely. I wouldn't take offence to someone pointing out the issues they have found here though.

I'm not offended as I said I find it bizarre someone would immigrate to another country and then be appalled by the practices of that country. Having said that Gwen has already qualified her comment.

Gravelly · 04-12-2018 3:22pm

Gwen Cooper wrote: »

See it's complicated. Back there I couldn't stand the people. The iron curtain might have fallen, but the mentality is still there. People don't trust each other. They don't look out for each other. Everyone has their secrets and god forbid if someone hears you talking about them. I always struggled to connect with the people there.

On the other side, they have free healthcare without any waiting times, you usually see the specialist you need on the same day or the next day. They don't have to get their kids baptized to make sure that they will get to a school nearby. Religion is pretty much non-existent there. Divorce? Grand, sign these papers, done (well not as easy but it's basically just paperwork). Women can choose what to do with their bodies.

I was 21 when I came here "just for a few months" but I really connected with the people here, I immediately felt like I'm home, that this is where I'm supposed to be. So I stayed.

I wouldn't be able to go back to my home country now - I only worked there for about 9 months in 2009, have no friends there, no future really. The only reason why I'm coming back is my family. And I get extremely anxious after a few days. The people just have a different vibe there and I can't take it.

Funny you should say that - one of my wife's best friends is a Polish lady, and she often says that she finds it easier to make friends, and to connect with people here than it was back in Poland.

Gravelly · 04-12-2018 3:23pm

gormdubhgorm wrote: »

While because I am not playing to your narrative.
Because you find a group think and general traveller bashing is much for fun?
One wagon of a despicable individual it gives people a licence to brand them all.

Yet when I point out a major flaw in the non-traveller community - (part-time parents) there is uproar!
There is one thing you cannot accuse this wagon of is being a part-time parent.
She may be misguided/uneducated etc but she will see/has seen her children growing up in their formative years.
It will not be one of those who looks at the pictures and cards the child has created while in the childminders. Where the parent only has second-hand news of how thier child has got on.

:rolleyes:

ohnonotgmail · 04-12-2018 3:25pm

gormdubhgorm wrote: »

Also I nearly forgot the working parents educate thier children which is great.
Travellers should also educate thier children by the way.
But it also cannot be ignored that many working parents treat thier educators as handy childminders while they are at work.
Once the there are holidays for the kids there are the usual gripes about teachers etc.
The kids are hindrance to them.
The working parents want either state education / childminding to do the majority of thier parenting for them.
As that is what the parents have become accustomed too.
This is in contrast to the travellers who are there for thier own kids.
A 'stay a home mother' in general society is a phrase well used now.
But I have never heard the phrase stay at home traveller mother:D
Because, That might actually be giving travellers some praise!?

praise for what, exactly? having kids they cant afford? Not sending them to school? Marrying their daughters off at a young age? Raising their kids to sponge off the state? what exactly do you think we should be praising them for?

Gwen Cooper · 04-12-2018 3:25pm

Gravelly wrote: »

Funny you should say that - one of my wife's best friends is a Polish lady, and she often says that she finds it easier to make friends, and to connect with people here than it was back in Poland.

Yep! Whenever I run into someone from my part of the world here in Ireland and we talk about our life here, 99% of them would tell me how amazing the people here are. It's something Ireland should be proud of.

ohnonotgmail · 04-12-2018 3:26pm

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

I'm not offended as I said I find it bizarre someone would immigrate to another country and then be appalled by the practices of that country. Having said that Gwen has already qualified her comment.

appalled by some of the practices of that country. some of which were already in the past when they arrived.

gormdubhgorm · 04-12-2018 3:29pm

Deebles McBeebles wrote: »

Could that be because they are all at home? Whether they like it or not?

Its like saying no one ever praises me for being bound by the laws of gravity.

Not true they could chose not too.
But when society at large invented the term 'stay at home mother' it's use has almost become a pejorative/damning with faint praise. As working parents seem to be the norm now.

I still think travellers have the better family set up, it is just the education aspect and marrying so young that needs to be resolved.

SusieBlue · 04-12-2018 3:30pm

gormdubhgorm wrote: »

Also I nearly forgot the working parents educate thier children which is great.
Travellers should also educate thier children by the way.
But it also cannot be ignored that many working parents treat thier educators as handy childminders while they are at work.
Once the there are holidays for the kids there are the usual gripes about teachers etc.
Yet the working parents want either state education / childminding to do the majority of thier parenting for them.
As that is what the parents have become accustomed too.
This is in contrast to the travellers who are there for thier own kids.
A 'stay a home mother' in general society is a phrase well used now.
But I have never heard the phrase stay at home traveller mother:D
Because, That might actually be giving travellers some praise!?

Would you ever get it into your head:
People work because the HAVE to.
Nobody enjoys having to drop their kids off and commute every day, nobody sits at their desk all day for the fun of it, they do it because they have responsibilities such as mortgages to pay, cars to run, food to put on the table and clothes to put on their childrens backs.

Pretty much everyone on earth would rather spend the 40+ hours a week they spend working at their own discretion, be it relaxing, on their hobbies, with their children, socialising, travelling, and so on.
That's why we PAY people to WORK, because no one would do it for FREE.

People complain about lack of childcare not because they desperately want to avoid their kids and spend as much time as humanly possible chained to their desk, but because the crippling costs make it even harder for those NOT entitled to social welfare to pay their bills.
Remember there is no FIS, HAP or medical cards for the "manufactured" families.

I can only assume you are someone who has never had a job before.

givyjoe · 04-12-2018 3:31pm

gormdubhgorm wrote: »

Not true they could chose not too.
But when society at large invented the term 'stay at home mother' it's use has almost become a pejorative/damning with faint praise. As working parents seem to be the norm now.

I still think travellers have the better family set up, it is just the education aspect and marrying so young that needs to be resolved.

... and the stealing
... and the violence
... and the animal cruelty
... and the homophobia etc etc

Plenty of poorly educated folks don't have problems avoiding the above.

xi5yvm0owc1s2b · 04-12-2018 3:31pm

gormdubhgorm wrote: »

There is one thing you cannot accuse this wagon (Margaret Cash) of is being a part-time parent.

First of all, she has seven children, whose father seems to be almost completely absent from their lives.

She seems to spend quite a bit of time at protests, on Facebook, and otherwise rabble rousing in pursuit of her foreva home.

How much individual attention and nurturing does each child receive in the course of a day? I'd warrant far less than a child with a good childminder and two working parents.

Gwen Cooper · 04-12-2018 3:32pm

gormdubhgorm wrote: »

Not true they could chose not too.
But when society at large invented the term 'stay at home mother' it's use has almost become a pejorative/damning with faint praise. As working parents seem to be the norm now.

I still think travellers have the better family set up, it is just the education aspect and marrying so young that needs to be resolved.

With all due respect, I don't think you get it. Their family set up is a direct result of the education and marrying young issue. If you manage to resolve the education and marrying young, their family set up will come much closer to what you're seeing in the settled community.

gormdubhgorm · 04-12-2018 3:34pm

SusieBlue wrote: »

Would you ever get it into your head:
People work because the HAVE to.
Nobody enjoys having to drop their kids off and commute every day, nobody sits at their desk all day for the fun of it, they do it because they have responsibilities such as mortgages to pay, cars to run, food to put on the table and clothes to put on their childrens backs.

My argument is simply if you cannot afford the kids and you have to put that much effort in (it makes you unhappy) why chose to have them?

The childminder - commute the slog -repeat.
Then hearing about your childs life from second hand reports.

gormdubhgorm · 04-12-2018 3:36pm

Gwen Cooper wrote: »

With all due respect, I don't think you get it. Their family set up is a direct result of the education and marrying young issue. If you manage to resolve the education and marrying young, their family set up will come much closer to what you're seeing in the settled community.

I am not so sure that is viewing the traveller community through a settled persons lens.
Family is number one for them.

ohnonotgmail · 04-12-2018 3:36pm

gormdubhgorm wrote: »

My argument is simply if you cannot afford the kids and you have to put that much effort in (it makes you unhappy) why chose to have them?

The childminder - commute the slog -repeat.
Then hearing about your childs life from second hand reports.

or simply choose to have them and let the state pay for everything. that seems to be your preferred approach.

Gravelly · 04-12-2018 3:36pm

gormdubhgorm wrote: »

My argument is simply if you cannot afford the kids and you have to put that much effort in (it makes you unhappy) why chose to have them?

The childminder - commute the slog -repeat.
Then hearing about your childs life from second hand reports.

I'm guessing you don't have a lot of experience of the world of work. Most people aren't leaving the house at 5am and not getting back until midnight. Plus most people nowadays get the weekends off.

thegetawaycar · 04-12-2018 3:37pm

Brilliant WUMMING from gormdubhgorm here.
All families with 2 parents working or single working parents are part-time, classic.

On the off chance it's not a wind up. Watch any of the videos of travellers fighting with their kids in tow watching and learning from these "role-models" if you think that's parenting that's moronic. Being in the same place as your children is not automatically parenting.

I have relatives working in childcare and they would never claim to be parenting or raising the kids nor are they expected to be a parent to these children.

Parenting involves promoting and supporting the physical, emotional, social, and intellectual development of your child, being a role model and teaching your children right from wrong I certainly wouldn't be putting Margaret Cash forward as parent of the year.

ohnonotgmail · 04-12-2018 3:37pm

gormdubhgorm wrote: »

I am not so sure that is viewing the traveller community through a settled persons lens.
Family is number one for them.

well education and raising your children to be productive members of society is certainly nowhere near the top.

ohnonotgmail · 04-12-2018 3:38pm

thegetawaycar wrote: »

Brilliant WUMMING from gormdubhgorm here.
All families with 2 parents working or single working parents are part-time, classic.

On the off chance it's not a wind up. Watch any of the videos of travellers fighting with their kids in tow watching and learning from these "role-models" if you think that's parenting that's moronic. Being in the same place as your children is not automatically parenting.

I have relatives working in childcare and they would never claim to be parenting or raising the kids nor are they expected to be a parent to these children.

Parenting involves promoting and supporting the physical, emotional, social, and intellectual development of your child, being a role model and teaching your children right from wrong I certainly wouldn't be putting Margaret Cash forward as parent of the year.

all of which she fails spectacularly at.

Igotadose · 04-12-2018 3:39pm

gormdubhgorm wrote: »

I am not so sure that is viewing the traveller community through a settled persons lens.
Family is number one for them.

Hence the violence at weddings and funerals?

You're having us on.

SusieBlue · 04-12-2018 3:39pm

gormdubhgorm wrote: »

My argument is simply if you cannot afford the kids and you have to put that much effort in (it makes you unhappy) why chose to have them?

The childminder - commute the slog -repeat.
Then hearing about your childs life from second hand reports.

Working to provide for your family doesn't mean you can't afford to have kids.
It means you take your responsibilities seriously and have a good work ethic and thus can financially support your children.

Margaret couldn't afford to have her kids either, so why choose to have them? Does she get a pass cause its her "culture"?

Why is it acceptable to you to have 7/8/9+ kids with no stable home & no income, but unacceptable to have 2.5 kids with two working parents?

gormdubhgorm · 04-12-2018 3:39pm

Gravelly wrote: »

I'm guessing you don't have a lot of experience of the world of work. Most people aren't leaving the house at 5am and not getting back until midnight. Plus most people nowadays get the weekends off.

That is a broad generalisation - not true for a lot of posts.
But if two parents are working like that it proves my point that it is the major flaw in the predominately settled community others bring up the kids.
That is not natural.

04-12-2018 3:40pm

gormdubhgorm wrote: »

1) She may be misguided/uneducated etc but she will see/has seen her children growing up in their formative years.

2) She not be one of those who looks at the pictures and cards the child has created while in the childminders.

3)Where the parent only has second-hand news of how thier child has got on.

1) hanging out of car windows cheering on the sulky racers?

2) The local Garda station will make mugshot mementos of their mother instead.

3) where the Cash clan (and the rest of us) get this news via the courts section in the papers?

lawred2 · 04-12-2018 3:41pm

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

praise for what, exactly? having kids they cant afford? Not sending them to school? Marrying their daughters off at a young age? Raising their kids to sponge off the state? what exactly do you think we should be praising them for?

not letting their wimmin get above their station obviously

that's pretty much it

when he speaks of part time parents - he's not for a second considering part time or non existent fadders - it's just all about working mothers

He'd prefer an uneducated layabout with kids from six different biological origins to a working mother...

PlaneSpeeking · 04-12-2018 3:41pm

Have I really just read someone posting that a lazy, workshy criminal scrounger who uses her feral brood of future teenage parents and shoplifters - is a better parent than any one of the hundreds of working parents I share a lengthy commute with each morning and evening ??

If the poster had any common human decency that accusation would be removed and retracted.

Margaret Cash steals €300 worth of clothes from Penneys and aftermath/etc!

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