Margaret Cash steals €300 worth of clothes from Penneys and aftermath/etc!

gormdubhgorm wrote: »

Her cynical ploy of exploiting her kids in a Garda station removes any sympathy she should get.
She also does not seem very thankful when people do try to help her.
The way she says the council are doing nothing for her, when it is not true, shows what her character is like.
Hand on hip and confrontational.
Traveller or non-traveller the woman is a right wagon, no matter how you look at it.

A few days ago she was a right wagon, now shes an example for all mothers.
Genuine question, are you actually on a windup here?

This is what I find funny most on this thread are extremely quick to point out the negatives in traveller culture.
Some exaggerate the stereotype, others are clearly anti-traveller no matter what.
They brand all of them the same!

But there are positives in traveller culture as well.
There are also negatives in the society at large (mostly non-travellers) such as part-time parenting (working parents).
But when this is pointed out peoples cages get rattled slightly as it is rarely said, as it has become the norm now.

It is more then a bit ironic.

gormdubhgorm wrote: »

This is what I find funny most on this thread are extremely quick to point out the negatives in traveller culture.
Some exaggerate the stereotype, others are clearly anti-traveller no matter what.
They brand all of them the same!

But there are positives in traveller culture as well.
There are also negatives in the society at large (mostly non-travellers) such as part-part-time parenting (working parents).
But when this is pointed out peoples cages get rattled slightly as it is rarely said, as it has become the norm now.

It is more then a bit ironic.

:rolleyes:

gormdubhgorm wrote: »

This is what I find funny most on this thread are extremely quick to point out the negatives in traveller culture.
Some exaggerate the stereotype, others are clearly anti-traveller no matter what.
They brand all of them the same!

But there are positives in traveller culture as well.
There are also negatives in the society at large (mostly non-travellers) such as part-part-time parenting (working parents).
But when this is pointed out peoples cages get rattled slightly as it is rarely said, as it has become the norm now.

It is more then a bit ironic.

Thing is that you're not pointing out a positive. You're talking about a negative side effect.

Most of the kids in the traveller community don't get educated. Their daughters are told their entire life that their purpose is to be pretty, get married, have children and keep the house clean. The lack of education is supporting this as the girls don't really get to think outside the box. It's a form of having control over women because I can guarantee you that if they were kept in school, they wouldn't be getting married that young and I also believe that most of the girls there would have an ambition to make something of themselves in life. They are being controlled, have been controlled for generations, and you are incredibly happy about it, calling it a positive thing.

Patrick2010 wrote: »

A few days ago she was a right wagon, now shes an example for all mothers.
Genuine question, are you actually on a windup here?

I never said she was an example to all mothers she is still a wagon.
But the example to mothers from the non-travelling community could take is that she sees herself as a mother first and foremost.

Where the majority of working parents fall down (mostly non-traveller) they try and do both at full tilt. But then they are full time workers and part time parents.

Would a slightly lower standard of living for one working parent (if possible) with the other staying at home not be the best of both worlds?
Otherwise as I said they are not parents but part-time parents.

If people want to be part-time parents and do the superman/superwoman bit good luck to them.
But I find it an enormous contradiction, work comes first and children come second, yet its costs to have then cared for by a paid stranger (if no relative is available).

lawred2 wrote: »

yeah but he's already harked back to the marriage ban in a positive context so it's clear what he thinks of women..

he's either a troll or a relic of a now thankfully gone Ireland

Can I ask, as an ignorant foreigner... what is this marriage ban about? I don't think I've heard of it.

Gwen Cooper wrote: »

Thing is that you're not pointing out a positive. You're talking about a negative side effect.

Most of the kids in the traveller community don't get educated. Their daughters are told their entire life that their purpose is to be pretty, get married, have children and keep the house clean. The lack of education is supporting this as the girls don't really get to think outside the box. It's a form of having control over women because I can guarantee you that if they were kept in school, they wouldn't be getting married that young and I also believe that most of the girls there would have an ambition to make something of themselves in life. They are being controlled, have been controlled for generations, and you are incredibly happy about it, calling it a positive thing.

That is the aspect of traveller culture that could be improved on.
There is a happy medium (education - marry later - job - stay at home with kid) the other extreme of the majority of non-travellers two parents working, but rarely seeing thier kids is wrong in my view as well.

Gwen Cooper wrote: »

Can I ask, as an ignorant foreigner... what is this marriage ban about? I don't think I've heard of it.

Basically in the past when a woman married she had to leave

https://www.thejournal.ie/giving-up-work-when-married-1852776-Dec2014/

Should I pull my kids out is school to avoid getting labeled a part time parent?