Fr McVerry supporting lessons in how to occupy properties

Graces7 · 18-09-2018 2:23pm

Jensen White Robot wrote: »

No he is "in fact" not all talk. He has done a massive amount to help people, priest or not. And a heck of a lot more than you've ever done.

Nasty as hell to downplay all he has done. And no doubt you'd use it to defend the Catholic church when it suits, being the super contrarian that you are.

I disagree with him this time around but it doesn't change all the work he has done for many people.

:eek:

have a lovely evening. blessings and peace

Hitman3000 · 18-09-2018 2:23pm

Wheeliebin30 wrote:

I remember you were all over the ms cash thread defending her and saying letâ€™s not jump to conclusions.

Right up till further information and facts were posted about her.

MFPM · 18-09-2018 2:23pm

Graces7 wrote: »

? please explain

Christians and law breaking....Martin Luther King, Bishop Tutu, Bishop Romero and on, and on, and on, and on......

endacl · 18-09-2018 2:23pm

TheCitizen wrote: »

LOL at the right wingers on here that don't like the occupy stunt. I'm not totally in agreement with all of the tactics of the Take Back the City campaign myself but they're succeeding in highlighting the issue and the lack of action relating to it.

That’s true. Before their action, nobody was aware that there was a property shortage and that rents were spiralling way beyond sane and sustainable levels. It was never mentioned in the media. People were completely unaware of hundreds of families being housed in hotels and b&bs. I met a guy last week who actually hadn’t been aware that he had been handing over the vast majority of his income every month in rent and would never be able to save a deposit for his own place. Came as a bit of a shock to him, let me tell you!

Fair play to the campaigners for bring the issue to the attention of the general populace.

:rolleyes:

Wheeliebin30 · 18-09-2018 2:24pm

I feel sorry for the Garda when elected tds and priests are encouraging people to break the law.

Something seems to be simmering here and gathering momentum and it’s not pleasant.

The Garda are the only barrier between a break down of law and order in society.

CruelCoin · 18-09-2018 2:25pm

TheCitizen wrote: »

:pac: Those days have been gone a long time. Do you think it should be as expensive to rent in damp Dublin as it is in Paris, Madrid, Berlin etc.?

Seriously this is the sort of claptrap that leads to a situation where young professional people can't buy a house or end up spending all their money on renting a house in Dublin. Delusional, idiotic stuff.

I can see you spent your business classes behind the bike shed riding.

It's not relevant in the least what the comparable rent is in other capitals.

MFPM · 18-09-2018 2:25pm

CruelCoin wrote: »

And therein lies the absolute fantasy.

An average earner cannot, and should not be able to live in a premium area.

Until the planning laws change and we can slap up some projects style tenement blocks, it will never be affordable for street sweepers and burger flippers to buy within the M50.

Not true. No reason why the state can't intervene and control the price of land as proposed 40 years ago in the Kenny report...

_Brian · 18-09-2018 2:26pm

TheCitizen wrote: »

Supply and demand is the kernel of the problem. The supply isn't there while property in prime areas of our towns an cities are left unoccupied and abandoned.

Dublin is the capital city of a small country on the west of Europe, it should not cost the same in terms of accommodation to live in Dublin as it does in Paris etc., don't be ridiculous.

If it were sufficiently profitable these empty properties would be brought back onto the market as the reward would justify the effort and risk.

Property isn’t idle because landlords couldn’t be bothered, it’s because it’s too much risk for the reward given. I know a chap with two empty properties in the centre of town and he said because of adverse taxation on rental income he’s no justification in renting them, he’s also burned from poor tenants. Both properties are appreciating in value while empty.
He gave them to an auctioneer who put for sale signs on them even though he has no interest in selling them, it just keeps people away from asking to rent them.

MFPM · 18-09-2018 2:27pm

Wheeliebin30 wrote: »

I feel sorry for the Garda when elected tds and priests are encouraging people to break the law.

Something seems to be simmering here and gathering momentum and it’s not pleasant.

The Garda are the only barrier between a break down of law and order in society.

What horsesh!te. BTW where have you been in the last few years, have you been following what has gone on in AGS?

Graces7 · 18-09-2018 2:29pm

MFPM wrote: »

Christians and law breaking....Martin Luther King, Bishop Tutu, Bishop Romero and on, and on, and on, and on......

I thought you might be referring to that. mcverry is not in that mould and you dishonour those mighty heroes by even thinking that.

all talk and hollow talk at that. self aggrandisement.

he needs to get down to merchants quay and get his hands wet washing up with a real worker for the needy. br kevin. who never asks for money and always gets it . for the love of Jesus

Wheeliebin30 · 18-09-2018 2:29pm

Hitman3000 wrote: »

Right up till further information and facts were posted about her.

Why didn’t you stay and comment on her taking the puss looking for a free house so?

Graces7 · 18-09-2018 2:31pm

BPKS wrote: »

Of course its not that simple, but it certainly is a contributory factor.

If you have spent your life watching the people all around you getting housing for little or nothing, weekly social welfare payments, monthly payment for every child they have, getting a medical card, back to school allowance and so on and so on, then why would they bother getting themselves into a situation where they could afford to pay out of their own pocket for education, a mortgage etc.

Is that their fault? Is that security the real purpose of the welfare state?

Hitman3000 · 18-09-2018 2:33pm

Wheeliebin30 wrote:

The Garda are the only barrier between a break down of law and order in society.

Protest is valid in a democracy. Worked well during the water charge protests.

jam_mac_jam · 18-09-2018 2:35pm

Dublin is not Paris, Paris is one of the richest areas in Europe with one of the highest wealth and GDP in Europe. The gdp of Paris is 681 million and Dublin is less then 90 billion. Paris is the head of the fashion industry and has many multinationals with their head office located there, not back office operations here to save tax.

We are not London, New York or Paris. We have come a long way but trying to justify the prices by comparing them to hugely wealthy international cities with many billionaires and centre of industry is crazy. Its 2007 all over again.

Loves_lorries · 18-09-2018 2:37pm

Fr_Dougal wrote: »

I have helped fundraise for years for the Peter McVerry Trust, but I’m cutting all ties with them now because of this.

Very disappointed with his comments, he has gone down a lot in my estimations, scumbag mentality.

He made exact same comments nine months ago on the Ray D'Arcy radio show.

He has form.

NIMAN · 18-09-2018 2:38pm

I agree with you that it does look like 2007 all over again, but again its simple economics.

If some landlord priced his place at €1500 per month, it would lie empty unless someone was prepared to give him that.

Yes the shortage of properties is the problem, and prices would come down if there was 50,000 extra places to live around Dublin, but there ain't.

Graces7 · 18-09-2018 2:39pm

Wheeliebin30 wrote: »

I feel sorry for the Garda when elected tds and priests are encouraging people to break the law.

Something seems to be simmering here and gathering momentum and it’s not pleasant.

The Garda are the only barrier between a break down of law and order in society.

Oh wise wise words. Thank you

Loves_lorries · 18-09-2018 2:40pm

NIMAN wrote: »

People also need to realise that Dublin is now a major European capital city. Like Paris, Rome, Madrid, Berlin etc. It is very attractive to major employers and multi-nationals, and as a result we have tens of thousands more people looking for accommodation. This is turn drives up rent and house prices.

If you think you are going to find nice houses for little money/rent, you are sadly mistaken. Those days are gone.

Wages in Dublin are far higher than in Madrid or Rome, Dublin is a very wealthy city and important economic centre. For its size its hugely important.

Gimme A Pound · 18-09-2018 2:42pm

Graces7 wrote: »

:eek:

Well i think it's shocking that you keep on claiming Father McVerry is all talk and does nothing. What exactly is your problem with him? Because it seems pretty personal when you downplay/deny all he has done for decades.

Sher what's so great about Bishop Romero? Wasn't he, as you said, just doing what is expected by his vocation?

Loves_lorries · 18-09-2018 2:43pm

_Brian wrote: »

Risk, Risk, Risk.
Landlords are expected to hand over a €300-€500k asset to strangers with a €1500 deposit, the law is structured so tenants are safe to overstay and stop paying and probably get to stay for six months at this carry on, and then get the sympathy of every bleeding heart who listens.

Then there is damage to property that needs to be repaired. Our local council have substantial empty property but much of that was left uninhabitable by previous tenants who likely were moved to another good house.

If landlords are expected to take that risk the potential profits need to be substantial.

With enough knowledge of the law combined with hard neck. Non paying tenants can remain in situ for two years and if they completely trash the place face no sanction.

Yer Da sells Avon · 18-09-2018 2:44pm

CruelCoin wrote: »

And therein lies the absolute fantasy.

An average earner cannot, and should not be able to live in a premium area.

Until the planning laws change and we can slap up some projects style tenement blocks, it will never be affordable for street sweepers and burger flippers to buy within the M50.

So much utter shit in one short post.

What's your definition of a 'premium area'? Is the entirety of Dublin (and the surrounding counties, where prices are also prohibitively high) one great big 'premium area'? Should an average earner be prohibited from living within, say, 50km of their place of work?

And who said anything about street sweepers and burger flippers (or guards, nurses, teachers, for that matter) being able to buy within the M50? Should it not be affordable for them to even rent within the greater Dublin area?

Omackeral · 18-09-2018 2:45pm

Deleted User wrote: »

This man has lost all credibility in my eye.

I'll tell you another thing here below that you can gauge his credibility on. I see him first hand siding with and looking after criminals and degenerates without a second thought. I work in a Dublin prison and see that he treats the staff with a suspicion that he wouldn't reserve for someone who assaults and batters OAPs.

Omackeral wrote: »

He's in our prisons this weekend handing out tobacco to handbag snatchers and granny bashers. He's too far gone on the bleeding heart scale to take all that seriously.

jam_mac_jam · 18-09-2018 2:45pm

NIMAN wrote: »

I agree with you that it does look like 2007 all over again, but again its simple economics.

If some landlord priced his place at €1500 per month, it would lie empty unless someone was prepared to give him that.

Yes the shortage of properties is the problem, and prices would come down if there was 50,000 extra places to live around Dublin, but there ain't.

Yeah so maybe we should build some on all that empty land and derelict buildings or high buildings. Try anything?

CruelCoin · 18-09-2018 2:46pm

Hitman3000 wrote: »

Protest is valid in a democracy. Worked well during the water charge protests.

There is a very clear difference between a parade with banners and people making ****e of private property.

Loves_lorries · 18-09-2018 2:47pm

Wheeliebin30 wrote: »

I feel sorry for the Garda when elected tds and priests are encouraging people to break the law.

Something seems to be simmering here and gathering momentum and it’s not pleasant.

The Garda are the only barrier between a break down of law and order in society.

Media is completely responsible for disproportionately amplifying the views of the fringe left.

Eventually the cavier bolsheveiks in rte might get more than they wished for.

NIMAN · 18-09-2018 2:50pm

jam_mac_jam wrote: »

Yeah so maybe we should build some on all that empty land and derelict buildings or high buildings. Try anything?

I'll sign up to more building for sure. Not a problem.
Who is in control of DCC I wonder, who should be making this happen?

Omackeral · 18-09-2018 2:53pm

Wheeliebin30 wrote: »

Sick of him and his sniggering attitude to anyone who disagrees with him.

I've seen it. You'd have a fella on lock-up in his cell for assaulting someone and Mc Verry would insist you'd open the door so he could speak to him... just to see how he is. Never mind he's tried to take someone's head off with a sweeping brush an hour prior. Nah the Padre just wants to make calls on his behalf, pass along messages, give him smokes, that type of thing. Yeah, fcuk the punishment handed down, never mind the security risk, to hell with consequences because Anto needs to get his tobacco and Fr Mc Verry's rank over rules everyone else. How about no. He can occupy his 8x6 property there for the rest of the night because he didn't play by the rules. The looks you'd get if you challenge him. He's a nice man up until you say no.

Wheeliebin30 · 18-09-2018 2:58pm

Hitman3000 wrote: »

Protest is valid in a democracy. Worked well during the water charge protests.

Protests are fine.

Breaking the law in the name of protest isn’t.

jam_mac_jam · 18-09-2018 3:03pm

NIMAN wrote: »

jam_mac_jam wrote: »

Yeah so maybe we should build some on all that empty land and derelict buildings or high buildings. Try anything?

I'll sign up to more building for sure. Not a problem.
Who is in control of DCC I wonder, who should be making this happen?

Whoever is in control of DCC, yes they should make it happen. So we agree so.

McMurphy · 18-09-2018 3:18pm

Wheeliebin30 wrote: »

I feel sorry for the Garda when elected tds and priests are encouraging people to break the law.

Something seems to be simmering here and gathering momentum and it’s not pleasant.

The Garda are the only barrier between a break down of law and order in society.

Oh please.

2 commissioners and 2 x justice ministers have been and gone since the law and order party came to power.

I read this post in Noel Cooonans voice though, so I'll give you that.

soups05 · 18-09-2018 3:22pm

A lot of posters seem to ignore the rights of landlords in favour of the rights of tenants, I am neither thankfully but I found this story interesting as a counter point to the views of tenants:

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/i-would-not-follow-the-law-the-next-time-landlord-who-lost-25k-in-ordeal-with-rentdodging-tenants-37317965.html

Sorry its the indo, I know some don't like it.

Turnipman · 18-09-2018 3:31pm

kneemos wrote: »

Maybe his church could lead by example by handing over some of the properties they promised to to pay for their abuse?

The Jesuits the religious organisation of which McVerry (and the Pope) are members are one of the few religious orders in Ireland who don't appear to have abused anyone.

Furthermore, they have just done this:-

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/social-affairs/jesuits-gift-dublin-buildings-to-be-converted-to-social-housing-1.3596462

Gimme A Pound · 18-09-2018 3:36pm

Turnipman wrote: »

The Jesuits the religious organisation of which McVerry (and the Pope) are is members are one of the few religious orders in Ireland who don't appear to have abused anyone.

Furthermore, they have just done this:-

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/social-affairs/jesuits-gift-dublin-buildings-to-be-converted-to-social-housing-1.3596462

Why bother with research when you could just throw out populist bollox. And it gets you off the hook for not doing a thing to help vulnerable people yourself.

Turnipman · 18-09-2018 3:43pm

TheCitizen wrote: »

'Snowflake' and 'SJW' among the favourite tripe slurs of alt right lunatics and turgid right wing conservatives.

The students in the Take the City Back campaign are making a valid point of protest. They're getting up of their asses and doing something about it to try to draw attention to the ridiculous cost of accommodation in this country. I always find it hilarious when alt right loons throw the 'snowflake' tag at someone who is actually trying to stand up for themselves and others.

In what way is occupying a derelict building that belongs to someone else "standing up for oneself"?

Turnipman · 18-09-2018 3:46pm

Jensen White Robot wrote: »

Why bother with research when you could just throw out populist bollox. And it gets you off the hook for not doing a thing to help vulnerable people yourself.

I reckon that the poor man has lost his marbles. He's a rogue Jesuit!

TheCitizen · 18-09-2018 3:46pm

endacl wrote: »

That’s true. Before their action, nobody was aware that there was a property shortage and that rents were spiralling way beyond sane and sustainable levels. It was never mentioned in the media. People were completely unaware of hundreds of families being housed in hotels and b&bs. I met a guy last week who actually hadn’t been aware that he had been handing over the vast majority of his income every month in rent and would never be able to save a deposit for his own place. Came as a bit of a shock to him, let me tell you!

Fair play to the campaigners for bring the issue to the attention of the general populace.

:rolleyes:

There was nowt being done about was there. No harm in a bit of direct action to further highlight an issue. The snowflaking from Rightist' in relation to this protest is pathetic.

Odhinn · 18-09-2018 3:52pm

Wheeliebin30 wrote: »

I feel sorry for the Garda when elected tds and priests are encouraging people to break the law.

Something seems to be simmering here and gathering momentum and it’s not pleasant.

The Garda are the only barrier between a break down of law and order in society.

I suppose you'll be lobbying your FG TD to start a new "heavy gang".

TheCitizen · 18-09-2018 4:00pm

CruelCoin wrote: »

I can see you spent your business classes behind the bike shed riding.

It's not relevant in the least what the comparable rent is in other capitals.

Tell that to Niman there.

And why wouldn't it be relevant? If it's as cheap or chaeaper to rent in a city like Paris with the facilities, amenities, geographic location and public transport infrastructure as it in in Dublin, you don't think there's something wrong with that?

Hitman3000 · 18-09-2018 4:07pm

Graces7 wrote:

all talk and hollow talk at that. self aggrandisement.

What have you done,that allows you attack Mcverrys character?

CruelCoin · 18-09-2018 4:08pm

TheCitizen wrote: »

Tell that to Niman there.

And why wouldn't it be relevant? If it's as cheap or chaeaper to rent in a city like Paris with the facilities, amenities, geographic location and public transport infrastructure as it in in Dublin, you don't think there's something wrong with that?

No.

Because that's the going rate.
If it's the rate you have an issue with then that's something to fix, by allowing more people to build, by allowing taller buildings, by relaxing the building codes that assume that every minimum wager should be going into a super-deluxe A1 rated home, etc etc.
Just whinging about the price of it isn't going to do anything. Have a point to your whinge at least.

Hitman3000 · 18-09-2018 4:09pm

Wheeliebin30 wrote:

Breaking the law in the name of protest isnâ€™t.

You clearly don't understand the concept of protest so.

Gimme A Pound · 18-09-2018 4:13pm

Turnipman wrote: »

I reckon that the poor man has lost his marbles. He's a rogue Jesuit!

Well I'm actually defending him from the pure sh1te being thrown at him in relation to the church, by people who haven't done a fraction of what he has for those in need.

Nothing negates the above.

But I do understand criticism of him in relation to the way he's advocating breaking the law, and his carry-on when visiting prisoners. This is disappointing imo.

7aubzxk43m2sni · 18-09-2018 4:14pm

TheCitizen wrote: »

There was nowt being done about was there. No harm in a bit of direct action to further highlight an issue. The snowflaking from Rightist' in relation to this protest is pathetic.

This is exactly the point. No one is being hurt really if vacant properties are being occupied, except it creates an issue for the landlords, security and gardai, and the government as part of the media backlash. When the government refuse to make a decent effort, at some stage people need to make enough stress for them that the easier solution is to solve the problem at hand rather than crushing protests

18-09-2018 4:20pm

regardless of whether you are religious or not, maybe you believe in the historical Jesus and maybe you even admire him.

If Jesus were alive today, would he be on the side of Peter McVerry, or would he be on the side of the property speculators, or even the Catholic Church?

In my view, Peter McVerry is a man of unparallelled integrity in Irish public life. He deserves to be commended for his stance on the Frederick Street occupation. I suspect that (not unlike Jesus!), when this crisis has blown over and property-owners find that the communists haven't taken over after all, history will be on McVerry's side.

ohnonotgmail · 18-09-2018 4:23pm

Chelsea Thoughtless Backspace wrote: »

This is exactly the point. No one is being hurt really if vacant properties are being occupied, except it creates an issue for the landlords, security and gardai, and the government as part of the media backlash. When the government refuse to make a decent effort, at some stage people need to make enough stress for them that the easier solution is to solve the problem at hand rather than crushing protests

Tell that to the owner who has to go to the high court to have them removed and spends 1000's (and possibly 10 of 1000's) to do so.

7aubzxk43m2sni · 18-09-2018 4:27pm

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

Tell that to the owner who has to go to the high court to have them removed and spends 1000's (and possibly 10 of 1000's) to do so.

Why did he have to spend 1000's to remove them? What was he doing with the property that required it to be empty?

corner of hells · 18-09-2018 4:33pm

Omackeral wrote: »

I'll tell you another thing here below that you can gauge his credibility on. I see him first hand siding with and looking after criminals and degenerates without a second thought. I work in a Dublin prison and see that he treats the staff with a suspicion that he wouldn't reserve for someone who assaults and batters OAPs.

I work in homeless services and have met that man a number of times over the years and consistently found him to be arrogant and rude.
Ive him treat his own staff and staff from other agencies like dog ****e.
He's retired now but the banana that runs PMVT isn't much better.

His attitude is that homeless addicts , this who I work with , are some how above the law.

ohnonotgmail · 18-09-2018 4:33pm

Chelsea Thoughtless Backspace wrote: »

Why did he have to spend 1000's to remove them? What was he doing with the property that required it to be empty?

They should just wait until the protestors get bored?

18-09-2018 4:37pm

spare us the outraged handwringing over any slight on the precious fr mcverry, who loves his platform and should be subject to the criticism that comes with it like anyone else we have to hear pontificating over the airwaves about how bad his flock have it and how good the rest of us have it.

spare us the outraged handwringing over those who want houses but cant afford houses. we're all in that boat to some extent or another.

spare us the outraged handwringing that we're not free after a days working to provide for ourselves and our contribution to the shared pot through taxation that we cant then hop up on a pedestal and go full mick collins on behalf of those that dont. if we all jacked it in to do that, as the criticisms seem to wish for us, would the 'unfortunates' be worse or better off?

without taxation, tithe and charity flowing happily into the coffers of his cushy agency fr mcverry wouldnt be as much use as a single paye-subject working stiff. let his handwringers in this thread and let himself remember it.

Hitman3000 · 18-09-2018 4:41pm

Deleted User wrote:

without taxation, tithe and charity flowing happily into the coffers of his cushy agency fr mcverry wouldnt be as much use as a single paye-subject working stiff. let his handwringers in this thread and let himself remember it.

Your own hand ringing done from the annoymintiy of a keyboard. Whereas McV is out there for your criticism.

Fr McVerry supporting lessons in how to occupy properties

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