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Fr McVerry supporting lessons in how to occupy properties

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    #242
    jjmcclure
    Registered Users Posts: 540 ✭✭✭jjmcclure


    TheCitizen wrote: »
    https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Snowflake

    Snowflake was originally a term coined by Rightist's to pan those who they saw on The Left because they accused them of always 'complaining about stuff etc.'

    However in my experience it is often those on The Right who are often complaining about changes in society these days, witness some of those complaining about people engaging in protests about the housing problems on this country.

    In my view (whether you agree with their methods or not) those engaging in protests are being proactive and bringing attention to the issues involved whereas as those sitting on the sidelines complaining about those involved in the protests are the moaning 'snowflakes' in this instance.


    Respect the law
    Respect property rights
    Get out of those peoples/landlords/companies houses


    Who the hell has time to be "occupying" a vacant property anyway?? Go to work!


    If some of these protesters put as much effort into making a life for THEMSELVES instead of waiting for handouts they'd be much better off.


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    #243
    Hitman3000
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,596 ✭✭✭Hitman3000


    jjmcclure wrote:
    Who the hell has time to be "occupying" a vacant property anyway?? Go to work!


    They could be shift workers. Assuming they are jobless is just lazy commentary on your behalf .


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    #244
    TheCitizen
    Registered Users Posts: 9,310 ✭✭✭TheCitizen


    jjmcclure wrote: »
    Respect the law
    Respect property rights
    Get out of those peoples/landlords/companies houses


    Who the hell has time to be "occupying" a vacant property anyway?? Go to work!


    If some of these protesters put as much effort into making a life for THEMSELVES instead of waiting for handouts they'd be much better off.

    They're mainly students by the looks of it and how do yo know if they work or not, they could work just as hard as you do or perhaps much much harder than you, who knows?

    You appear to want them to keep their heads down and get on with it etc.. They want change to the housing and accommodation system and they're engaging in protest as part of the fight to bring about that change.

    They're engaging in the subject matter of the housing crisis and fair play to them for giving their time and effort to publicise it. They appear to be upsetting you in the process.


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    #245
    meathstevie
    Registered Users Posts: 4,772 ✭✭✭meathstevie


    markodaly wrote: »
    Enough profit to justify the risk. If the risk profile is too much for a landlord at a given price they will raise their rent accordingly.

    Most landlords wants a steady income, that is all. Nevermind that landlords wont see 40c on the euro as take-home income.

    40% gross profit ? Are you dreaming ? If you enter into any commercial activity expecting profit margins like that you're bound for a quick wake up call.


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    #246
    jjmcclure
    Registered Users Posts: 540 ✭✭✭jjmcclure


    Hitman3000 wrote: »
    They could be shift workers. Assuming they are jobless is just lazy commentary on your behalf .


    Eh .. yeah...right.


    This is not about change to the housing system, its about entitlement culture that has infected a country that once placed value in hard work and success.


    Why do we have a housing crisis?? Not enough houses. How to solve it?? Build more. How do we build more? Incentivise builders and citizens with savings to invest.


    This is not about social justice, its simple supply and demand.


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    #247
    Hitman3000
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,596 ✭✭✭Hitman3000


    jjmcclure wrote:
    Eh .. yeah...right.

    Whether I'm right or you are right is irrelevant as neither of us know. Unlike you I don't make lazy assumptions to fit an agenda or narrative.


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    #248
    jjmcclure
    Registered Users Posts: 540 ✭✭✭jjmcclure


    TheCitizen wrote: »
    They're mainly students by the looks of it and how do yo know if they work or not, they could work just as hard as you do or perhaps much much harder than you, who knows?

    You appear to want them to keep their heads down and get on with it etc.. They want change to the housing and accommodation system and they're engaging in protest as part of the fight to bring about that change.

    They're engaging in the subject matter of the housing crisis and fair play to them for giving their time and effort to publicise it. They appear to be upsetting you in the process.


    Yawn...


    Rabble-rousers with an axe to grind with anyone and everyone. Drawing resources from already over stretched Gardai and courts.


    There time could be better spent. e.g. Ms Cash outside the Dail, what an absolute joke, never has, never will contribute a cent to Irish society.


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    #249
    jjmcclure
    Registered Users Posts: 540 ✭✭✭jjmcclure


    Hitman3000 wrote: »
    Whether I'm right or you are right is irrelevant as neither of us know. Unlike you I don't make lazy assumptions to fit an agenda or narrative.


    I can safely assume any hard working person, on shift work or not, has better things to be doing with their spare time.


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    #250
    Hitman3000
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,596 ✭✭✭Hitman3000


    jjmcclure wrote:
    I can safely assume any hard working person, on shift work or not, has better things to be doing with their spare time.


    Stop doubling down on your ignorance you don't know so can assume nothing. I work shifts and have taken part in many protests down through the years and heard this go to work bs from people like you on multiple occasions. Again lazy ignorant commentary.


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    #251
    Topgear on Dave
    Registered Users Posts: 4,530 ✭✭✭Topgear on Dave


    jjmcclure wrote: »
    I can safely assume any hard working person, on shift work or not, has better things to be doing with their spare time.

    And if that hard working person is now getting absolutely rode with the rent that they have to pay these days??

    Some of the rents are insane.

    I dont agree with all of the protesters guff but its important to protest this.


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    #252
    Mutant z
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    Squatting in a property that you don't own is trespassing there's other ways to get your point across without resorting to that, just because you are unhappy about something doesn't give you the right to take what isn't yours.


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    #253
    jjmcclure
    Registered Users Posts: 540 ✭✭✭jjmcclure


    Topgear on Dave wrote: »
    And if that hard working person is now getting absolutely rode with the rent that they have to pay these days??

    Some of the rents are insane.

    I dont agree with all of the protesters guff but its important to protest this.


    Sorry "snowflakes" the market price for something is what someone is willing to pay. You may not like it, but that's the fact. Landlords can choose to charge the market rate.



    If the government would relax the absolutely insane restrictions on landlords there would be more rental property. I have owned rental properties in the past. Could buy a few now, would not touch it with a bargepole! "entitled" tenants, impossible to evict trouble makers, lefty government that wants to punish success. NO WAY


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    #254
    Hitman3000
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,596 ✭✭✭Hitman3000


    Mutant z wrote:
    Squatting in a property that you don't own is trespassing there's other ways to get your point across without resorting to that, just because you are unhappy about something doesn't give you the right to take what isn't yours.


    Name one that grabs the attention of policy makers?


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    #255
    TheCitizen
    Registered Users Posts: 9,310 ✭✭✭TheCitizen


    jjmcclure wrote: »
    Yawn...


    Rabble-rousers with an axe to grind with anyone and everyone. Drawing resources from already over stretched Gardai and courts.


    There time could be better spent.

    Better spent by keeping their heads down and allowing the powers that be to continue to mismanage the housing and accommodation issues in this country without any scrutiny or criticism you mean.:pac:

    Nah, young people these days are better at standing up for themselves. They'll protest as they see fit and they've got a legitimate argument to make.


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    #256
    Hitman3000
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,596 ✭✭✭Hitman3000


    jjmcclure wrote:
    , lefty government that wants to punish success. NO WAY


    Lefty government? lol.


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    #257
    TheCitizen
    Registered Users Posts: 9,310 ✭✭✭TheCitizen


    jjmcclure wrote: »
    Sorry "snowflakes" the market price for something is what someone is willing to pay. You may not like it, but that's the fact. Landlords can choose to charge the market rate.



    If the government would relax the absolutely insane restrictions on landlords there would be more rental property. I have owned rental properties in the past. Could buy a few now, would not touch it with a bargepole! "entitled" tenants, impossible to evict trouble makers, lefty government that wants to punish success. NO WAY
    'Lefty governments' :pac: This isn't Cuba mate.

    The system isn't working when young professional people can't buy a house and can't save to buy because their rent is taking most of their earnings.


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    #258
    jjmcclure
    Registered Users Posts: 540 ✭✭✭jjmcclure


    TheCitizen wrote: »
    Better spent by keeping their heads down and allowing the powers that be to continue to mismanage the housing and accommodation issues in this country without any scrutiny or criticism you mean.:pac:

    Nah, young people these days are better at standing up for themselves. They'll protest as they see fit and they've got a legitimate argument to make.


    Yes, rebels without a clue!!


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    #259
    jjmcclure
    Registered Users Posts: 540 ✭✭✭jjmcclure


    TheCitizen wrote: »
    'Lefty governments' :pac: This isn't Cuba mate.

    The system isn't working when young professional people can't buy a house and can't save to buy because their rent is taking most of their earnings.


    What "system". As I have said, incentivise the building of more houses. No "system" is to blame.


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    #260
    Pkiernan
    Registered Users Posts: 4,315 ✭✭✭Pkiernan


    TheCitizen wrote: »
    'Lefty governments' :pac: This isn't Cuba mate.

    The system isn't working when young professional people can't buy a house and can't save to buy because their rent is taking most of their earnings.

    Remember that the government is taking 52% of that rent.


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    #261
    [Deleted User]
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    jesus boards is unreadable with these few firebrands just spitting out their marxist invective this past week


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    #262
    NIMAN
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    Pkiernan wrote: »
    Remember that the government is taking 52% of that rent.

    minus deductions and expenses.


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    #263
    Sir Oxman
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,492 ✭✭✭Sir Oxman


    JupiterKid wrote: »
    The housing crisis at at such a point that I support these occupations, as long as they are not forcing anyone out or damaging the occupied property.

    I have expertise in housing and planning policy so I actually know what I'm talking about. Dublin in particular has a housing emergency. Desperate times call for desperate action.

    There should ve a tax on vacant residential properties to put them back into use like in Holland and Denmark. we also need a huge social housing programne. It's pathetic and disingenous of Leo V and Eoghan Murphy deeming houses costing €320k in Dublin as "affordable."

    This is a direct insult to the intelligence of an entire generation locked out of securing their long term housing needs. This neo-liberal Thatcherite free market ideology has utterly failed and the consequences are there for all to see.

    ^This

    I'd add Air BnB as a big scourge to renters in Dublin


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    #264
    TheCitizen
    Registered Users Posts: 9,310 ✭✭✭TheCitizen


    Deleted User wrote: »
    jesus boards is unreadable with these few firebrands just spitting out their marxist invective this past week

    Between Marxist invective and lefty governments in the minds of some Rightist's on these pages we're in danger of turning into a Republic perish the thought:pac:


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    #265
    Hitman3000
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,596 ✭✭✭Hitman3000


    jjmcclure wrote:
    Yes, rebels without a clue!!

    The irony of calling others clueless and referring to an FG dominated government as lefty .


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    #266
    TheCitizen
    Registered Users Posts: 9,310 ✭✭✭TheCitizen


    JupiterKid wrote: »
    The housing crisis at at such a point that I support these occupations, as long as they are not forcing anyone out or damaging the occupied property.

    I have expertise in housing and planning policy so I actually know what I'm talking about. Dublin in particular has a housing emergency. Desperate times call for desperate action.

    There should ve a tax on vacant residential properties to put them back into use like in Holland and Denmark. we also need a huge social housing programne. It's pathetic and disingenous of Leo V and Eoghan Murphy deeming houses costing €320k in Dublin as "affordable."

    This is a direct insult to the intelligence of an entire generation locked out of securing their long term housing needs. This neo-liberal Thatcherite free market ideology has utterly failed and the consequences are there for all to see.
    Good post.

    Someone might accuse you of Marxist invective around here with chat like that:pac:


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    #267
    Hitman3000
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,596 ✭✭✭Hitman3000


    Deleted User wrote:
    jesus boards is unreadable with these few firebrands just spitting out their marxist invective this past week


    In fairness you have spouted some crap yourself in the last few pages of comments.


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    #268
    TheCitizen
    Registered Users Posts: 9,310 ✭✭✭TheCitizen


    jjmcclure wrote: »
    What "system". As I have said, incentivise the building of more houses. No "system" is to blame.

    It isn't just about building houses FFS. We need the right type of housing in the right areas to fit in with infrastructure and public transport etc..

    I'm not sure you've thought this thing through.


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    #269
    TheCitizen
    Registered Users Posts: 9,310 ✭✭✭TheCitizen


    jjmcclure wrote: »
    Yes, rebels without a clue!!

    You should be apologising to Tom Petty for that


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    #270
    jjmcclure
    Registered Users Posts: 540 ✭✭✭jjmcclure


    Hitman3000 wrote: »
    The irony of calling others clueless and referring to an FG dominated government as lefty .


    FG are a center left party. An agenda of increasing social welfare, taxing "high earners", exceptionally soft on crime and criminals, granny grants, totally useless on social welfare fraud!


    We need a center right party who will support hard work and success, reduce the social welfare bill substantially, eradicate social welfare fraud, brutalise criminals and above all incentivise those who contribute to society


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    #271
    Subcomandante Marcos
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    jjmcclure wrote: »
    FG are a center left party. An agenda of increasing social welfare, taxing "high earners", exceptionally soft on crime and criminals, granny grants, totally useless on social welfare fraud!


    We need a center right party who will support hard work and success, reduce the social welfare bill substantially, eradicate social welfare fraud, brutalise criminals and above all incentivise those who contribute to society

    FG are centre LEFT?

    What's your basis for the centre? The National Socialist Party of early 20th century Germany?

    Loolaa.


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