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When will they [The Government] tell us the truth about Covid?

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,647 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr


    Don2012 wrote: »
    LIES!!!?? Who said any of this is lies!! Just go back to sleep and do as your told, never think for yourself and wait for instructions from LV and MM and RTÉ on what do do next.

    https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/testing/serology-overview.html

    Go to the part where it says "What do your results mean?"
    *If you test positive
    A positive test result shows you may have antibodies from an infection with the virus that causes COVID-19. However, there is a chance a positive result means that you have antibodies from an infection with a virus from the same family of viruses (called coronaviruses), such as the one that causes the common cold.*

    Its been proven that you have posted lies.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 612 ✭✭✭ForstalDave


    Don2012 wrote: »
    RTE is your source!? lol lol

    No the two univeristies are my source RTE is the reporting body, maybe you can look into it more learn a little somthing


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 367 ✭✭Don2012


    Its been proven that you have posted lies.

    How has it been proven???


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,197 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    Don2012 wrote: »
    "put on a mask"

    Just to address the rest of your post. It appears that wearing a mask mitigates someone with the disease spreading it to others. It's strongly believed the virus spreads via droplets and even finer aerosols
    "stay indoors because we are quarantining healthy people",

    Protecting them
    "this is the new normal",

    For the next while, this isn't going away any time soon
    "Covid will be with is for years to come",

    Quite likely
    "only a vaccine will stop all this"

    A vaccine is key to preventing the virus
    Nothing to do with control or taking away our freedom bit by bit...has the penny dropped???.

    If you are claiming this is all a sham and part of some "plan" then you need to explain and details this.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,352 ✭✭✭Padre_Pio


    Don2012 wrote: »
    I think your example is ridiculous, has nothing to do with the topic at hand. Rather than thinking for yourself you'll shutdown any opinion with "conspiracy theorist" or "right-wing". Here's an example, You sit in the pub and the news comes on or daily briefing, they tell you "put on a mask", "stay indoors because we are quarantining healthy people", "this is the new normal", "Covid will be with is for years to come", "only a vaccine will stop all this" and you say ok I'll do everything you say, because you think they know what is best for you, just sit tight and wait for the vaccine.
    No analysing or thinking for yourself at all. Nothing to do with control or taking away our freedom bit by bit...has the penny dropped???.

    You asked questions in your OP.

    Your questions were answered rationally and with evidence.

    You came back with various unverified websites and rumors that contradict the established view of COVID at this time.

    You were told where to go with this sort of argument.

    Now you're getting defensive because no one is agreeing with you.

    If you're not willing to change your mind in the fact of fact and evidence, then why do you expect people to change theirs in the absence of fact and evidence?
    Why should we listen to you and your ramblings and not medical professionals the world over?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 367 ✭✭Don2012


    Its been proven that you have posted lies.

    Here is a few other examples, Texas health department correct death toll after [mistakenly] attributing 225deathsto Covid.
    https://mb.ntd.com/texas-state-health-department-corrects-death-toll-after-mistakenly-attributing-225-deaths-to-covid-19_491662.html


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,352 ✭✭✭Padre_Pio


    Don2012 wrote: »

    So what? They overcounted COVID deaths.

    COVID deaths have been undercounted in Ireland, UK and Germany on occassions and corrected for.

    These things happen.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 367 ✭✭Don2012


    Padre_Pio wrote: »
    So what? They overcounted COVID deaths.

    COVID deaths have been undercounted in Ireland, UK and Germany on occassions and corrected for.

    These things happen.

    https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/thousands-englands-virus-deaths-to-22477213.amp
    Why are you not seeing the bigger picture here?Are you that naïve? what else are they lying about??


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,035 ✭✭✭✭The Nal


    Don2012 wrote: »
    https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/thousands-englands-virus-deaths-to-22477213.amp
    Why are you not seeing the bigger picture here?Are you that naïve? what else are they lying about??

    Who are "they"?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 367 ✭✭Don2012


    No the two univeristies are my source RTE is the reporting body, maybe you can look into it more learn a little somthing

    Na your grand, is that the bought and paid for Indoctrination universities that have taken over this last 20 years, great source btw.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 367 ✭✭Don2012


    The Nal wrote: »
    Who are "they"?

    Go back to bed and wait until it's safe to go outside and get the vaccine!!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 612 ✭✭✭ForstalDave


    Don2012 wrote: »
    Na your grand, is that the bought and paid for Indoctrination universities that have taken over this last 20 years, great source btw.

    So what source are you giving again? Did you say how many people you thought were invovled in all this?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,035 ✭✭✭✭The Nal


    Don2012 wrote: »
    Go back to bed and wait until it's save to go outside and get the vaccine!!

    Righto. So just to usual garden variety "its about control", "do your own research", "RTE lol", "government are liars" bingo stuff.

    We're only a few posts away from NWO, Soros, Rothschild, Bill Gates etc aren't we?


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,653 ✭✭✭KiKi III


    Don2012 wrote: »
    Who told you that? The flu kills more yearly than this. "We have vaccines and treatments for flu" well the immune system is built to help is fight off viruses and infection, remember that? Odd that RTE or politicans never tell us how to build the immune system up to help keep people strong and healthy, it's almost like they want us sick so big pharma can bring on the vaccine. Just stay indoors and wait until they tell you it's safe to get your vaccine good man!

    There were 19 deaths from flu in Ireland in 2019.

    https://www.irishmirror.ie/news/irish-news/flu-season-deaths-ireland-2019-21189972

    There have been 1,772 deaths from Covid in Ireland so far in 2020.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,647 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr


    Don2012 wrote: »
    Na your grand, is that the bought and paid for Indoctrination universities that have taken over this last 20 years, great source btw.

    as opposed to your source

    https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/mediabiasfactcheck.com/technocracy-news/%3famp
    Overall, we rate Technocracy.News a far-right tin foil hat Conspiracy site that promotes quackery level pseudoscience. We also rate them Very Low in factual reporting due to the routine publication of false information as evidenced by numerous failed fact checks.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 367 ✭✭Don2012


    Looks like there are plenty of people on this forum, who want to give up their freedom and comply to these draconian laws, asking no questions or have no concerns with anything imposed on us. It has already been established that the number of deaths given were misleading and inaccurate but yet they are willing to let Varadkar, Martin, Donnolly, Harris the media and so called (one-sided point of view) health professionals (who get their guidelines from the WHO) make the decisions for them, think for them.
    The scandals in nursing homes, cancer patients prevented from getting treatment, rise in mental health, suicides and anxiety all because of this virus that is being used to control us.

    The farce of a Covid app, (I bet all the ones attacking me on here downloaded it) great way for the government to track us and know our location.
    Mandatory muzzle wearing, odd that when things were really bad 3/4 months ago they were not mandatory.
    Life as we knew it is gone forever, everything we took for granted. Those that will do as they are told, will go along with everything, just wait patiently for the vaccine.
    After all of this, the ones on here still glorify and put their total trust in the government.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 367 ✭✭Don2012


    KiKi III wrote: »
    There were 19 deaths from flu in Ireland in 2019.

    https://www.irishmirror.ie/news/irish-news/flu-season-deaths-ireland-2019-21189972

    There have been 1,772 deaths from Covid in Ireland so far in 2020.

    When will you get it, the media in Ireland are bought and paid for. They only report news that suits the narrative.


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,653 ✭✭✭KiKi III


    Don2012 wrote: »
    Looks like there are plenty of people on this forum, who want to give up their freedom and comply to these draconian laws, asking no questions or have no concerns with anything imposed on us. It has already been established that the number of deaths given were misleading and inaccurate but yet they are willing to let Varadkar, Martin, Donnolly, Harris the media and so called (one-sided point of view) health professionals (who get their guidelines from the WHO) make the decisions for them, think for them.
    The scandals in nursing homes, cancer patients prevented from getting treatment, rise in mental health, suicides and anxiety all because of this virus that is being used to control us.

    The farce of a Covid app, (I bet all the ones attacking me on here downloaded it) great way for the government to track us and know our location.
    Mandatory muzzle wearing, odd that when things were really bad 3/4 months ago they were not mandatory.
    Life as we knew it is gone forever, everything we took for granted. Those that will do as they are told, will go along with everything, just wait patiently for the vaccine.
    After all of this, the ones on here still glorify and put their total trust in the government.

    Cool.

    I noticed you didn’t respond to my last post pointing out that statistically the flu is much less deadly than Covid in Ireland.

    Why is that?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 612 ✭✭✭ForstalDave


    Don2012 wrote: »
    Looks like there are plenty of people on this forum, who want to give up their freedom and comply to these draconian laws, asking no questions or have no concerns with anything imposed on us. It has already been established that the number of deaths given were misleading and inaccurate but yet they are willing to let Varadkar, Martin, Donnolly, Harris the media and so called (one-sided point of view) health professionals (who get their guidelines from the WHO) make the decisions for them, think for them.
    The scandals in nursing homes, cancer patients prevented from getting treatment, rise in mental health, suicides and anxiety all because of this virus that is being used to control us.

    The farce of a Covid app, (I bet all the ones attacking me on here downloaded it) great way for the government to track us and know our location.
    Mandatory muzzle wearing, odd that when things were really bad 3/4 months ago they were not mandatory.
    Life as we knew it is gone forever, everything we took for granted. Those that will do as they are told, will go along with everything, just wait patiently for the vaccine.
    After all of this, the ones on here still glorify and put their total trust in the government.


    Or maybe some people belive that not everything we dont like is a lie


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  • Registered Users Posts: 2,653 ✭✭✭KiKi III


    Don2012 wrote: »
    When will you get it, the media in Ireland are bought and paid for. They only report news that suits the narrative.

    The information comes from the HSE and NPHET, not the media.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 367 ✭✭Don2012


    KiKi III wrote: »
    Cool.

    I noticed you didn’t respond to my last post pointing out that statistically the flu is much less deadly than Covid in Ireland.

    Why is that?

    I did you little liberal you!!!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 367 ✭✭Don2012


    KiKi III wrote: »
    The information comes from the HSE and NPHET, not the media.

    Ok well done great sources btw


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,035 ✭✭✭✭The Nal


    Don2012 wrote: »
    Looks like there are plenty of people on this forum, who want to give up their freedom and comply to these draconian laws, asking no questions or have no concerns with anything imposed on us. It has already been established that the number of deaths given were misleading and inaccurate but yet they are willing to let Varadkar, Martin, Donnolly, Harris the media and so called (one-sided point of view) health professionals (who get their guidelines from the WHO) make the decisions for them, think for them.
    The scandals in nursing homes, cancer patients prevented from getting treatment, rise in mental health, suicides and anxiety all because of this virus that is being used to control us.

    The farce of a Covid app, (I bet all the ones attacking me on here downloaded it) great way for the government to track us and know our location.
    Mandatory muzzle wearing, odd that when things were really bad 3/4 months ago they were not mandatory.
    Life as we knew it is gone forever, everything we took for granted. Those that will do as they are told, will go along with everything, just wait patiently for the vaccine.
    After all of this, the ones on here still glorify and put their total trust in the government.

    Jesus, drama much? "Life as we knew it is gone forever". Christ almighty.

    You're not being "attacked". Youre being asked reasonable questions. And you're ignoring them.

    Like, the thread title that you started is "when will they". I asked who are "they" and you replied defensively and childishly.

    If you're going to start a thread like this, one with a clear agenda, at least have the balls to answer a few questions.


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,653 ✭✭✭KiKi III


    Don2012 wrote: »
    I did you little liberal you!!!

    So are you able to accept that 19 people died of flu last year, making it much less deadly?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 367 ✭✭Don2012


    The Nal wrote: »
    Righto. So just to usual garden variety "its about control", "do your own research", "RTE lol", "government are liars" bingo stuff.

    We're only a few posts away from NWO, Soros, Rothschild, Bill Gates etc aren't we?

    Like I said just go back to bed, it'll be safe to come out when your given the go ahead. Good man! Don't forget to wear your muzzle!


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  • Registered Users Posts: 2,653 ✭✭✭KiKi III


    Don2012 wrote: »
    Like I said just go back to bed, it'll be safe to come out when your given the go ahead. Good man! Don't forget to wear your muzzle!

    Now you’re just embarrassing yourself.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 367 ✭✭Don2012


    KiKi III wrote: »
    So are you able to accept that 19 people died of flu last year, making it much less deadly?

    What are you on?? In Ireland last year 30,000 Irish people died of the flu! 26,000 in 2018!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 367 ✭✭Don2012


    KiKi III wrote: »
    Now you’re just embarrassing yourself.

    I wasn't talking to you. You are probably the same, so don't forget your muzzle either. The fact you think anyone who has a different opinion from your own is "conspiracy theorist" when you are the one walking around wearing a muzzle.
    Now who's embarrassing themselves! Who told you to wear it? If you were told to wear a bag on your head you'd do it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 612 ✭✭✭ForstalDave


    Don2012 wrote: »
    What are you on?? In Ireland last year 30,000 Irish people died of the flu! 26,000 in 2018!

    wow so of 31,000 deaths in 2018 26,000 were flu?? you really are not fact checking are you


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,035 ✭✭✭✭The Nal


    Don2012 wrote: »
    Like I said just go back to bed, it'll be safe to come out when your given the go ahead. Good man! Don't forget to wear your muzzle!

    Cringe.

    Maybe the internet isn't for you.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 367 ✭✭Don2012


    wow so of 31,000 deaths in 2018 26,000 were flu?? you really are not fact checking are you

    Are you o wise one? And don't bring me RTE as your source.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 612 ✭✭✭ForstalDave


    Don2012 wrote: »
    Are you o wise one? And don't bring me RTE as your source.

    cso records all deaths births etc they recored 31000 deaths in 2018 now i didnt look into more than the number but you figures are pull from your arse so i didnt see the need


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 367 ✭✭Don2012


    KiKi III wrote: »
    Cool.

    I noticed you didn’t respond to my last post pointing out that statistically the flu is much less deadly than Covid in Ireland.

    Why is that?

    Cool, you had no answer to anything I said, now that's surprising.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 367 ✭✭Don2012


    cso records all deaths births etc they recored 31000 deaths in 2018 now i didnt look into more than the number but you figures are pull from your arse so i didnt see the need

    Do you wear a muzzle?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,329 ✭✭✭✭King Mob


    Don2012 wrote: »
    Do you wear a muzzle?

    What's the obsession with muzzles?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 612 ✭✭✭ForstalDave


    Don2012 wrote: »
    Do you wear a muzzle?

    so personal insults over facts now???? always seems to be the way you dont like somthing so you attack it in the hope it will go away


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 367 ✭✭Don2012


    The Nal wrote: »
    Jesus, drama much? "Life as we knew it is gone forever". Christ almighty.

    You're not being "attacked". Youre being asked reasonable questions. And you're ignoring them.

    Like, the thread title that you started is "when will they". I asked who are "they" and you replied defensively and childishly.

    If you're going to start a thread like this, one with a clear agenda, at least have the balls to answer a few questions.

    No, you know fully well who "they" are unless your pretending to be dumb. Just waiting for your little gang on here to back you. No agenda fool, I was hoping for an adult discussion with people who would not resort to insults and attacks, looks like you and your gang don't fit the bill. You don't like people who have a different opinion from your own very much do you, sad really.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 367 ✭✭Don2012


    so personal insults over facts now???? always seems to be the way you dont like somthing so you attack it in the hope it will go away

    I think you'll find, I have been the one attacked an insulted by you and your gang on here, for having a different opinion.
    "Conspiracy theorist"
    "Pr@*k"
    "Right-wing"
    "Liar"
    "Mental problems" need me to go on?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,035 ✭✭✭✭The Nal


    Don2012 wrote: »
    No, you know fully well who "they" are unless your pretending to be dumb. Just waiting for your little gang on here to back you. No agenda fool, I was hoping for an adult discussion with people who would not resort to insults and attacks, looks like you and your gang don't fit the bill. You don't like people who have a different opinion from your own very much do you, sad really.

    So angry! So sensitive.

    I don't know who "they" are. Enlighten me.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,510 ✭✭✭runawaybishop


    Don2012 wrote: »
    need me to go on?

    Please don't.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 612 ✭✭✭ForstalDave


    Don2012 wrote: »
    I think you'll find, I have been the one attacked an insulted by you and your gang on here, for having a different opinion.
    "Conspiracy theorist"
    "Pr@*k"
    "Right-wing"
    "Liar"
    "Mental problems" need me to go on?

    I have not insulted you once, I have disputed your facts and been attacked by you for it


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 367 ✭✭Don2012


    King Mob wrote: »
    What's the obsession with muzzles?

    Since many attacking me are obedient sheep, they'll comply to the muzzle wearing also.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 367 ✭✭Don2012


    I have not insulted you once, I have disputed your facts and been attacked by you for it

    If you read back over the whole thread you'll see I have been insulted and attacked for having an opinion. Is there any rational thinkers on this forum??


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 71,799 ✭✭✭✭Ted_YNWA


    Don2012 wrote: »
    Go back to bed and wait until it's safe to go outside and get the vaccine!!
    Don2012 wrote: »
    I did you little liberal you!!!
    Don2012 wrote: »
    Like I said just go back to bed, it'll be safe to come out when your given the go ahead. Good man! Don't forget to wear your muzzle!
    Don2012 wrote: »
    I wasn't talking to you. You are probably the same, so don't forget your muzzle either. The fact you think anyone who has a different opinion from your own is "conspiracy theorist" when you are the one walking around wearing a muzzle.
    Now who's embarrassing themselves! Who told you to wear it? If you were told to wear a bag on your head you'd do it.
    Don2012 wrote: »
    Do you wear a muzzle?
    Don2012 wrote: »
    I think you'll find, I have been the one attacked an insulted by you and your gang on here, for having a different opinion.
    "Conspiracy theorist"
    "Pr@*k"
    "Right-wing"
    "Liar"
    "Mental problems" need me to go on?

    Mod
    It might be your antagonist approach that is causing the backlash. Post more civillly, or not at all.

    Your choice.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 612 ✭✭✭ForstalDave


    Don2012 wrote: »
    If you read back over the whole thread you'll see I have been insulted and attacked for having an opinion. Is there any rational thinkers on this forum??

    so you think because you feel attacked you can insult others?? Did i at anypoint insult you like you did me?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,272 ✭✭✭theballz


    Don2012 wrote: »
    Healthcare professionals wear masks when in contact with people who have a contiguous disease or illness, not around health people. Your point is ridiculous. Healthy people wearing masks weaken the immune system which come winter results in immune system not being about to do its job.

    I remember my first beer....


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 367 ✭✭Don2012


    Ted_YNWA wrote: »
    Mod
    It might be your antagonist approach that is causing the backlash. Post more civillly, or not at all.

    Your choice.

    Sconsey wrote: »
    At you, they are laughing at you...in your head.

    Plumbjob wrote: »
    A good friend of mine died of Covid. A strong healthy friend of mine. But I suppose they were in on it too. **** you OP and your kind. It's the likes of you with your bull**** and lies that's got everyone into a anxiety riddled mess. Why don't you take your bull**** and lies and **** off you absolute prick.


    So it was ok to insult and attack? Is that it?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,329 ✭✭✭✭King Mob


    Don2012 wrote: »
    Since many attacking me are obedient sheep, they'll comply to the muzzle wearing also.
    But sheep don't wear muzzles... :confused:

    Are you referring to face masks as muzzles? :confused:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 85,120 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    King Mob wrote: »
    But sheep don't wear muzzles... :confused:

    Are you referring to face masks as muzzles? :confused:

    Lies! Damn lies!

    https://www.google.com/search?q=sheep+with+muzzle&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&hl=en-us&client=safari


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 38,247 ✭✭✭✭Guy:Incognito


    Don2012 wrote: »
    So people with difference of opinion are just discarded, insulted and attacked for voicing an opinion that doesn't fit with the narrative?? Now I get it, good to know.

    No, people with ridiculous rubbish are.

    You came in with a video claiming it was proof . Then when challenged on the video and one loony in particular, youve ignored that and started other rubbish.


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