Terror incident in Paris

Graham · 17-10-2020 1:44am

JustAThought wrote: »

there have been 230 radical
violent attacks in France in the past 3
years alone.

Damn right I havn’t heard any talk of this in mainstream Iriah media. But Fungi
is missing amd the Kinehans gf is under
police protection.

W.T.F

I'd imagine there's not much Irish news in French media either

Quantum Erasure · 17-10-2020 2:18am

Maybe Fungie went to France...

redarmy · 17-10-2020 2:20am

Quantum Erasure wrote: »

Maybe Fungie went to France...

:rolleyes:

Sam Quentin · 17-10-2020 2:28am

jam_mac_jam wrote: »

Yes, all religions area bad. However some are worse then others and some are more dangerous then others.

ffs... The good thing is:: posts like this will never ever turn the billions of believers away from religion. Amen.

jam_mac_jam · 17-10-2020 9:39am

Sam Quentin wrote: »

ffs... The good thing is:: posts like this will never ever turn the billions of believers away from religion. Amen.

No I am sure increases in the level of education throughout the population and more thinking for themselves will do it.

I don't think anyone thinks a post on boards will do it.

whisky_galore · 17-10-2020 9:48am

seenitall wrote: »

I did the quick Google search in French on the above, the victim hasn’t been named yet. And Raphael Liogier seems to be a big name in the sociology of religion and what-not, so highly unlikely he would be teaching history in a secondary school.

Sounds like fake news.

These conveniently shareable memes created in the aftermath of these things usually are fake. Shìt stirring "news".

Phoebas · 17-10-2020 9:56am

jasper_Quinn wrote: »

To be honest i welcome this display of Islamic tolerance and peace, might finally get some to cop on to the reality of importing third world folk with third world views/problems.

*Naturally myself or others who point this out are Nazis.

Weren't those guys first world Christians!

biko · 17-10-2020 10:05am

Now it's nine people detained over beheading of French teacher in Paris suburb.
https://www.france24.com/en/france/20201017-nine-people-detained-over-beheading-of-french-teacher-in-paris-suburb

Decrying an "Islamist terrorist attack", the French president said the whole country stood united behind its teachers.

The teacher reportedly "asked his Muslim students to leave the room because he was going to show some cartoons of the Prophet Mohammed that could have caused offence," Kim said, adding that this had angered some parents.

1800_Ladladlad · 17-10-2020 10:42am

jasper_Quinn wrote: »

So your saying nothing of value was lost?

Cathy Newman, is that you ?

nj27 · 17-10-2020 11:05am

It's hard for me to take a completely literal interpretation of any religion seriously, but one of the benefits of a strong Christian faith in the west would have been a natural disinclination towards allowing Islam to get a foothold. I think those kinds of "side effects" of religion are actually the real purpose, they set up a structure which benefits its own group almost like an implicit game theory type model.

I'd like something better than religion to take its place, preferably without any fairy stories, but I'm scratching my head to think what that might be. Tolerance is what I hear preached, even as barbaric shit like this goes on regularly.

washman3 · 17-10-2020 11:08am

JustAThought wrote: »

Horrifyimg beyond imagining.

An 18 year old did this - not parent of a child - because he was ‘offended’ at hearing the class discussion in the school. He was
on a high risk watch list
for violene and extreme radacalised behaviour

-ALONG WITH 20,000 OTHERS

Mother of God.
and there have been 230 radical
violent attacks in France in the past 3
years alone.

Damn right I havn’t heard any talk of this in mainstream Iriah media. But Fungi
is missing amd the Kinehans gf is under
police protection.

W.T.F

And Johnny Sexton is injured.....

washman3 · 17-10-2020 11:17am

Graham wrote: »

I'd imagine there's not much Irish news in French media either

Because the beheading on an innocent teacher is Global news, or at least should be. A missing dolphin in Dingle will hardly concern somebody in Toulon'
Or likewise a serious road accident in Lyons would concern somebody in Clifden.
RTE and the MMS in this country are a total disgrace.

jmayo · 17-10-2020 11:21am

JustAThought wrote: »

Horrifyimg beyond imagining.

An 18 year old did this - not parent of a child - because he was ‘offended’ at hearing the class discussion in the school. He was
on a high risk watch list
for violene and extreme radacalised behaviour

-ALONG WITH 20,000 OTHERS

Mother of God.
and there have been 230 radical
violent attacks in France in the past 3
years alone.

Damn right I havn’t heard any talk of this in mainstream Iriah media. But Fungi
is missing amd the Kinehans gf is under
police protection.

W.T.F

And this is the same outlet that has the gall to run adverts about they are the one purveyor of truth and others are fake news.
Some may be fake news but RTE are no news unless it suits their agenda.
Bunch of self entitled c**ts.

Hego Damask wrote: »

Exactly, I remember thinking it at the time, that every newspaper should have had those cartoons headlined around the world.

They can't go after everyone, the fact that Sky News and others grovelled and apologized to any "offence" caused when someone tried to show the cartoons whilst being interviewed just emboldens these fanatics.

Also the reaction from some of the RTE "journalists" was a disgrace ...

You do remember the darling of the Irish media on all things islam at the time one Dr Ali Selim had said he would sue if anyone in the media printed, published or retweeted the cartoons.
And the gutless didn't tell him F Off.
Oh and he had already refused to condemn 911 attacks.

It was only when he pi**ed off feminists and women in general with his stance on FGM that he was finally jettisoned.
He must have been surprised after all the other things he had gotten away with.

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

We were raping and killing kids in Ireland while wearing priest garb until very recently. All religion is bad and takes advantage of people.

Ahh FFS why is this always trotted out as an excuse.

It is infantile like a kid caught doing something bold replying with "johnny also did last week".

Jequ0n · 17-10-2020 11:39am

biko wrote: »

Now it's nine people detained over beheading of French teacher in Paris suburb.
https://www.france24.com/en/france/20201017-nine-people-detained-over-beheading-of-french-teacher-in-paris-suburb

Decrying an "Islamist terrorist attack", the French president said the whole country stood united behind its teachers.

The teacher reportedly "asked his Muslim students to leave the room because he was going to show some cartoons of the Prophet Mohammed that could have caused offence," Kim said, adding that this had angered some parents.

Well if he hadn't asked them leave the room there might be more people detained now.

Thelonious Monk · 17-10-2020 2:39pm

jmayo wrote: »

Ahh FFS why is this always trotted out as an excuse.

It is infantile like a kid caught doing something bold replying with "johnny also did last week".

No excuses, it was in response to a poster saying Islam is 300 years behind Christianity. Doesn't seem that way if you look at the horrors committed on the Irish population in the 20th century.
I know you rural folk have your heads in the sand when it comes to these things and are good God fearing Catholics, but I think all religion should be discouraged in Ireland not just Islam. They're all bad news built on ridiculous stories.

ElitesTeam · 17-10-2020 3:03pm

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

No excuses, it was in response to a poster saying Islam is 300 years behind Christianity. Doesn't seem that way if you look at the horrors committed on the Irish population in the 20th century.
I know you rural folk have your heads in the sand when it comes to these things and are good God fearing Catholics, but I think all religion should be discouraged in Ireland not just Islam. They're all bad news built on ridiculous stories.

Muslims have a disproportionate amount of extremists compared to any other religion. At least 40-50% of Muslims agree to sharia law and are not tolerant to criticism of any kind. The Quran breeds extremism.

TomTomTim · 17-10-2020 3:11pm

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

No excuses, it was in response to a poster saying Islam is 300 years behind Christianity. Doesn't seem that way if you look at the horrors committed on the Irish population in the 20th century.
I know you rural folk have your heads in the sand when it comes to these things and are good God fearing Catholics, but I think all religion should be discouraged in Ireland not just Islam. They're all bad news built on ridiculous stories.

You're a fantasist. If there was as many of these types as you think, abortion would not be legalized, nor would same sex marriage. You literally have to create fiction so that you can appear to have a point.

Thelonious Monk · 17-10-2020 3:28pm

TomTomTim wrote: »

You're a fantasist. If there was as many of these types as you think, abortion would not be legalized, nor would same sex marriage. You literally have to create fiction so that you can appear to have a point.

It’s a joke, jmayo and I go way back. Wasn’t there one or two counties that voted against these things though?

suicide_circus · 17-10-2020 3:30pm

This teacher is a martyr for secularism, liberalism and freedom of expression.

TomTomTim · 17-10-2020 3:53pm

https://twitter.com/DanaNawzar/status/1317424128119496705

While the Islamist's themselves are a problem, these types are nearly just as bad. Absolutely disgusting deflection.

jmayo · 17-10-2020 3:58pm

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

No excuses, it was in response to a poster saying Islam is 300 years behind Christianity. Doesn't seem that way if you look at the horrors committed on the Irish population in the 20th century.
I know you rural folk have your heads in the sand when it comes to these things and are good God fearing Catholics, but I think all religion should be discouraged in Ireland not just Islam. They're all bad news built on ridiculous stories.

Ehh I haven't believed in God since I was in national school sonny.
And as a kid I couldn't even be bothered going to see that git from Poland when he was in the same county and more than half the country, Dublin included, were falling all over themselves to go see him.

Also not excusing the fookers and all the harm they did to kids and women in particular, but it has been a fair while since they encouraged people to kill non believers because they insulted Jesus or encouraged people to go slaughter in the name of their god.

Then on the other hand we have muslim clerics at it at this very time.

But of course you damn well know that.

And if Ireland was still so priest ridden how come we have abortion, divorce, contraception, same sex marriage ?

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

It’s a joke, jmayo and I go way back. Wasn’t there one or two counties that voted against these things though?

Roscommon the county time forgot.

fly_agaric · 17-10-2020 4:03pm

Hotblack Desiato wrote: »

modernity cannot be shut out, the internet gets through despite censorship, illegal satellite TV in Iran, etc. so it should "only" take about 100 years for most of them to realise it's all a load of bollox, especially the perverse sexual morality which is there to control people.

Possibly not appropriate thread for comment...but I think that's a bit naive.
People have endless capacity to believe in all kinds of nonsense if it pushes the right buttons somewhere in their brain.
I think the current wave of extremists & spread of damaging "lets go back to the books" ideas in Islam is quite modern anyway (maybe dating to the 70s).
Something like "ISIS" was an extremely modern phenomenon. Islamic extremism is promoted around the world by the same internet & satellite TV pumping out the Western ideas. On the "age of Islam"/"Islam is a young religion" (vs Christianity) argument I believe there's more to it than that also unfortunately.

Das Reich · 17-10-2020 4:10pm

As sad as it is and as Atheist as I am, when in Rome act like Rome. When in Paris, Bruxels, London and any other similar city, keep in mind you are not that free to do what you want.

17-10-2020 5:01pm

Das Reich wrote: »

As sad as it is and as Atheist as I am, when in Rome act like Rome. When in Paris, Bruxels, London and any other similar city, keep in mind you are not that free to do what you want.

Yup, and as a French person living in France act like you're in Kabul in the 80s.

Quantum Erasure · 17-10-2020 5:07pm

TomTomTim wrote: »

https://twitter.com/DanaNawzar/status/1317424128119496705

While the Islamist's themselves are a problem, these types are nearly just as bad. Absolutely disgusting deflection.

That has to be satire, surely?

17-10-2020 5:09pm

TomTomTim wrote: »

https://twitter.com/DanaNawzar/status/1317424128119496705

While the Islamist's themselves are a problem, these types are nearly just as bad. Absolutely disgusting deflection.

There is more than a feint whiff of a lot of BLM supporters from that tweet.

It is indeed disgusting.

suicide_circus · 17-10-2020 5:35pm

Deleted User wrote: »

Yup, and as a French person living in France act like you're in Kabul in the 80s.

Unless we think the achievements of the Enlightenment deserve defending.

Limpy · 17-10-2020 5:43pm

Lap Steel wrote: »

Choping a man's head off over a drawing of fcuking mohammad....what kind of stone age retards are we importing into Europe?

Liberalism takes no sides. We should all get along, if that teacher didn't hurt the poor Chechens feelings RE Mohammed he'd still be alive. Bla bla bla.

suicide_circus · 17-10-2020 5:45pm

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biko · 17-10-2020 5:51pm

And what do the Muslims think? Let's see

Soon in a mosque near you, thanks to your progressive friends

Hellrazer · 17-10-2020 5:56pm

biko wrote: »

Soon in a mosque near you, thanks to your progressive friends

I posted this almost 2 and a half years ago.

It still stands today.

Islam in Ireland is growing at around at a huge rate due to population growth and immigration.

Which is why Ireland needs to enact laws now and not let it get out of control like France and other European countries have done.

Among these laws should be a ban on the hijab,burka etc,a ban on sharia laws and a ban on preaching extreme radicalisation up to and including preaching in ones place of worship.

Ive no problem with the Muslim population as long as they abide by the countries laws.As Klaz said if we got to their countries we have to drop our western attitudes and abide by their laws so is it not right that we expect the same when they decide to live here?

Theres already anecdotal evidence of sharia law being practiced here. Some Islam religious heads are trying to dictate to schools about whether Muslim girls should wear head scarves etc.

By 2020 the figures are predicted to be around 100000 people who identify as muslim. Id be surprised if we haven't already gotten there yet.By 2040 Islam is reckoned to be the second largest religion in Ireland.

Once the population has grown large enough muslims will have representation in the Dail (and rightly so if they win an election and a Dail seat) and will be able to enact laws that suit their way of life a bit better but may not be compatible with the Irish/Western way of thinking.

Its worrying because we could end up with situations like the UK and France where whole communities are ghettoised and being little old Ireland we wont react until its too late and the horse has bolted.

I also don't get why people are comparing this to the Catholic Church.
Look where we have come from in the last 30 years. The catholic church dominated Irish society running schools,abusing kids,anti-everything.

Weve now gotten divorce,gay marriage,contraception and in a few weeks time we`ll have abortion on demand which will be the final nail in the coffin of the catholic church here. Do we really want any religion to have this much influence on society again? If we let it happen again we are the bigger fools.

No religion should ever have the power the catholic church had in this country.

suicide_circus · 17-10-2020 5:59pm

^^^^ the problem apparently is that some people dare to insult or provoke and not that some people have left their humanity so far behind that they think that sawing through someone's neck is a reasonable response to an insult.

wandererz · 17-10-2020 6:29pm

Total and utter indoctrination from birth.

That leads to unacceptance and hatred. Hatred of other religions, people and other values.

Not going to change anytime soon.

Revoke the right to stay or citizenship of the parents and the rest of the family and kick them out of the country.
The parents have a responsibility for the 18 year old they brought up.

It's easy to take a liberal view of this stuff until confronted with it.

Just one single example is the following.
I knew a guy (called Mohammed) who is married to my family member.

He is a Haffiz, meaning that he can recite the holy book in its entirety. He learnt that at a very early age. Millions of people are taught this and can do so from the ages of 6//7/8 etc.

Imagine being able to recite the Bible front to back and back to front at this age. Not often done. It's Indoctrination.

This guy being married to a person who became muslim, claimed that his wife would not be able to join him in paradise because she wasn't born into the religion.

So there he was destined for paradise with all those virgins minus wife. The book or the indoctrination says it, so it must be true.

seenitall · 17-10-2020 6:45pm

suicide_circus wrote: »

^^^^ the problem apparently is that some people dare to insult or provoke and not that some people have left their humanity so far behind that they think that sawing through someone's neck is a reasonable response to an insult.

Not all cultures have the same definitions of humanity. I think that is very well evidenced in the tweets that biko posted above. For some cultures, religion and tetchiness around religion, take precedence over any human life. Importing this ideology into our societies has been and will continue to be a self-destructive madness. Priests, teachers, cartoonists and random members of the public will continue to be slaughtered and beheaded, and western freedoms will consequently continue to be eroded.

Cordell · 17-10-2020 6:46pm

biko wrote: »

And what do the Muslims think?

Quite a few of them, if not all, will usually be considered reasonable and moderate by their non-muslim acquaintances.

biko · 17-10-2020 6:50pm

There are people that would want to kill me for posting this

and I'm sure some Muslims too

Pkiernan · 17-10-2020 6:50pm

Question for left wing appeasers:

Should immigrants who commit crimes in their new country while awaiting citizenship be deported?

wandererz · 17-10-2020 6:51pm

Cordell wrote: »

Quite a few of them, if not all, will usually be considered reasonable and moderate by their non-muslim acquaintances.

??????????????
No, definitely not all.

Perhaps "quite a few of them" living in western societies but definitely not globally.

No matter which countries and as liberal countries they move to, the indoctrination follows them. It's what they were taught, it's what they were brought up with and it's what they teach their children.

Hellrazer · 17-10-2020 6:54pm

biko wrote: »

There are people that would want to kill me for posting this

and I'm sure some Muslims too

Im offended by how **** that picture is.

Cordell · 17-10-2020 6:58pm

wandererz wrote: »

??????????????
No, definitely not all.

Perhaps "quite a few of them" living in western societies but definitely not globally.

No matter which countries and as liberal countries they move to, the indoctrination follows them. It's what they were taught, it's what they were brought up with and it's what they teach their children.

Maybe I wasn't quite clear: we are told that the vast majority of muslims are moderate and non violent. This is what moderate means: they don't go blowing themselves up or chopping people's heads, but they are seriously offended by any criticism or ridicule of their religion to the point they justify a savage murder.

wandererz · 17-10-2020 7:00pm

Cordell wrote: »

Maybe I wasn't quite clear: we are told that the vast majority of muslims are moderate and non violent. This is what moderate means: they don't go blowing themselves up or chopping people's heads, but they are seriously offended by any criticism or ridicule of their religion to the point they justify a savage murder.

OK. Yes.
From past experience, i do do agree with that.

biko · 17-10-2020 7:08pm

Cordell wrote: »

Maybe I wasn't quite clear: we are told that the vast majority of muslims are moderate and non violent. This is what moderate means: they don't go blowing themselves up or chopping people's heads, but they are seriously offended by any criticism or ridicule of their religion to the point they justify a savage murder.

Not all German were Nazis.
You only need a small aggressive radical group to do some major damage when their "moderate" peers won't do **** to stop them..

wandererz · 17-10-2020 7:13pm

biko wrote: »

Not all German were Nazis.
You only need a small aggressive radical group to do some major damage when their "moderate" peers won't do **** to stop them..

This is part of the problem.
Stuff happens that concerns the people and the religion and yet the vast majority remain silent. In doing so they condone the act.

Considering all the bad mouthing and bad press, why hasn't there been a muslim led "stop the terror, we don't like this, we don't want this" initiative or campaign.
What about all these peace loving people that we know, live with and work with. Are they not embarrassed, angry, livid enough about what's going on in their name that they could be arsed to take a stand against it and stand up for their espoused beliefs?

If someone does something in your name or belief, should you not take a stand against it if you don't accept or believe in it?

Cordell · 17-10-2020 7:21pm

why hasn't there been a muslim led "stop the terror, we don't like this, we don't want this" initiative or campaign

They tried this here, very few turned up and they were beaten by some other moderate muslims: https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/arid-30688270.html

Odhinn · 17-10-2020 7:28pm

wandererz wrote: »

This is part of the problem.
Stuff happens that concerns the people and the religion and yet the vast majority remain silent. In doing so they condone the act.

Considering all the bad mouthing and bad press, why hasn't there been a muslim led "stop the terror, we don't like this, we don't want this" initiative or campaign.
What about all these peace loving people that we know, live with and work with. Are they not embarrassed, angry, livid enough about what's going on in their name that they could be arsed to take a stand against it and stand up for their espoused beliefs?

If someone does something in your name or belief, should you take a stand against it if you don't accept or believe in it?

https://www.haaretz.com/world-news/muslims-worldwide-denounce-isis-terrorism-1.5421910

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/muslim-clerics-condemn-terrorism_n_566adfa1e4b009377b249dea?guccounter=1

https://www.aa.com.tr/en/asia-pacific/muslim-council-of-sri-lanka-condemns-deadly-bombings-/1459143

https://mcb.org.uk/resources/muslims-against-terrorism/

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/mar/23/uk-muslim-leaders-condemn-cowardly-london-attack

https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/arab-and-muslim-leaders-condemn-vile-terrorist-attack-nice

https://edition.cnn.com/2016/06/14/living/orlando-muslims-statement/

http://www.politico.eu/article/brussels-attacks-islamic-community/

https://edition.cnn.com/2015/11/16/world/not-in-my-name-muslims-speak-out/

...and theres plenty more.

Cordell · 17-10-2020 7:34pm

In Birmingham, 55,000 copies of a booklet, Terrorism Is Not Islam, a 12-page guide produced by the city’s central mosque to answer questions such as “are suicide attacks lawful in Islam?” and “does the foreign policy of the west or other grievances justify killing non-Muslims?”, were handed out at mosques, schools and shops with the support of West Midlands police.

Seriously fkd up that they need a leaflet to explain them that killing is not ok.

wandererz · 17-10-2020 7:36pm

Odhinn wrote: »

https://www.haaretz.com/world-news/muslims-worldwide-denounce-isis-terrorism-1.5421910

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/muslim-clerics-condemn-terrorism_n_566adfa1e4b009377b249dea?guccounter=1

https://www.aa.com.tr/en/asia-pacific/muslim-council-of-sri-lanka-condemns-deadly-bombings-/1459143

https://mcb.org.uk/resources/muslims-against-terrorism/

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/mar/23/uk-muslim-leaders-condemn-cowardly-london-attack

https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/arab-and-muslim-leaders-condemn-vile-terrorist-attack-nice

https://edition.cnn.com/2016/06/14/living/orlando-muslims-statement/

http://www.politico.eu/article/brussels-attacks-islamic-community/

https://edition.cnn.com/2015/11/16/world/not-in-my-name-muslims-speak-out/

...and theres plenty more.

It's all reactionary after each of these events.

Thanks for reminding me. I was there in Nice for that one. Great eveing out watching fireworks, dinner etc. and then that happens.

I missed the the Glasgow Airport one in 2007 by a few hours.

They spew out stuff following these events and nothing more is heard until the next time.

Odhinn · 17-10-2020 7:41pm

wandererz wrote: »

It's all reactionary after each of these events.

Thanks for reminding me. I was there in Nice for that one.

I missed the the Glasgow Airport one in 2007 by a few hours.

They spew out stuff following these events and nothing more is heard until the next time.

Gas. When you get called out over your notion theres no condemnation, you then claim that its the wrong kind of condemnation. "no true scotsman"

wandererz · 17-10-2020 7:45pm

Odhinn wrote: »

Gas. When you get called out over your notion theres no condemnation, you then claim that its the wrong kind of condemnation. "no true scotsman"

It's not "Gas"

wandererz wrote: »

initiative or campaign.

That's what i said. That suggests that it should be sustained and ongoing.

Hellrazer · 17-10-2020 7:46pm

Bob Sullivan wrote: »

What is it with muslims and beheading? It's not enough to kill you, they have to mutilate your body too?

Religion of peace!!
Its probably wrote somewhere in their book of fairy tales.

Terror incident in Paris

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