suicide_circus wrote: » ^^^^ the problem apparently is that some people dare to insult or provoke and not that some people have left their humanity so far behind that they think that sawing through someone's neck is a reasonable response to an insult.
biko wrote: » And what do the Muslims think?
Cordell wrote: » Quite a few of them, if not all, will usually be considered reasonable and moderate by their non-muslim acquaintances.
biko wrote: » There are people that would want to kill me for posting this and I'm sure some Muslims too
wandererz wrote: » ?????????????? No, definitely not all. Perhaps "quite a few of them" living in western societies but definitely not globally. No matter which countries and as liberal countries they move to, the indoctrination follows them. It's what they were taught, it's what they were brought up with and it's what they teach their children.
Cordell wrote: » Maybe I wasn't quite clear: we are told that the vast majority of muslims are moderate and non violent. This is what moderate means: they don't go blowing themselves up or chopping people's heads, but they are seriously offended by any criticism or ridicule of their religion to the point they justify a savage murder.
biko wrote: » Not all German were Nazis. You only need a small aggressive radical group to do some major damage when their "moderate" peers won't do **** to stop them..
why hasn't there been a muslim led "stop the terror, we don't like this, we don't want this" initiative or campaign
wandererz wrote: » This is part of the problem. Stuff happens that concerns the people and the religion and yet the vast majority remain silent. In doing so they condone the act. Considering all the bad mouthing and bad press, why hasn't there been a muslim led "stop the terror, we don't like this, we don't want this" initiative or campaign. What about all these peace loving people that we know, live with and work with. Are they not embarrassed, angry, livid enough about what's going on in their name that they could be arsed to take a stand against it and stand up for their espoused beliefs? If someone does something in your name or belief, should you take a stand against it if you don't accept or believe in it?
In Birmingham, 55,000 copies of a booklet, Terrorism Is Not Islam, a 12-page guide produced by the city’s central mosque to answer questions such as “are suicide attacks lawful in Islam?” and “does the foreign policy of the west or other grievances justify killing non-Muslims?”, were handed out at mosques, schools and shops with the support of West Midlands police.
Odhinn wrote: » https://www.haaretz.com/world-news/muslims-worldwide-denounce-isis-terrorism-1.5421910https://www.huffpost.com/entry/muslim-clerics-condemn-terrorism_n_566adfa1e4b009377b249dea?guccounter=1https://www.aa.com.tr/en/asia-pacific/muslim-council-of-sri-lanka-condemns-deadly-bombings-/1459143https://mcb.org.uk/resources/muslims-against-terrorism/https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/mar/23/uk-muslim-leaders-condemn-cowardly-london-attackhttps://www.middleeasteye.net/news/arab-and-muslim-leaders-condemn-vile-terrorist-attack-nicehttps://edition.cnn.com/2016/06/14/living/orlando-muslims-statement/http://www.politico.eu/article/brussels-attacks-islamic-community/https://edition.cnn.com/2015/11/16/world/not-in-my-name-muslims-speak-out/ ...and theres plenty more.
wandererz wrote: » It's all reactionary after each of these events. Thanks for reminding me. I was there in Nice for that one. I missed the the Glasgow Airport one in 2007 by a few hours. They spew out stuff following these events and nothing more is heard until the next time.
Odhinn wrote: » Gas. When you get called out over your notion theres no condemnation, you then claim that its the wrong kind of condemnation. "no true scotsman"
wandererz wrote: » initiative or campaign.
Bob Sullivan wrote: » What is it with muslims and beheading? It's not enough to kill you, they have to mutilate your body too?
wandererz wrote: » It's not "Gas"
Stuff happens that concerns the people and the religion and yet the vast majority remain silent. In doing so they condone the act.
ince its inception in 1997, the Muslim Council of Britain has consistently condemned terrorism and looked for meaningful ways to challenge terrorism. On this page you can see our past statements and our actions.
Odhinn wrote: » https://mcb.org.uk/resources/muslims-against-terrorism/ I await with some amusement for you to tell me how thats the wrong kind of long term campaign.
wandererz wrote: » That just a 1/4 page of ten points. That's it The rest below are 7 condemnations regarding the middle east. Just SEVEN of thousands in the ME. Pathetic.
suicide_circus wrote: » Unless we think the achievements of the Enlightenment deserve defending.
Odhinn wrote: » There's none Theres some but not the right ones. The right ones aren't right either. Etc and so on.
wandererz wrote: » .................... Where are the masses of muslims objecting and saying no, no, no we are not this or we want this.
Odhinn wrote: » https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/barcelona-attack-muslims-march-terrrorism-protest-islamist-violence-las-ramblas-a7909611.htmlhttps://metro.co.uk/2017/10/02/thousands-of-muslims-protest-against-isis-and-terrorism-in-london-6971956/https://metro.co.uk/2017/10/02/thousands-of-muslims-protest-against-isis-and-terrorism-in-london-6971956/ I await your 'But that doesn't count' with interest.
CBear1993 wrote: » If you were the traditional French nationalist arm of the country, what would you do right now? What can you do? Seems the country is too far gone, over run by middle eastern, African delinquents who are hellbent on mutilating their innocent citizens.
wandererz wrote: » Revoke the right to stay or citizenship of the parents and the rest of the family and kick them out of the country. The parents have a responsibility for the 18 year old they brought up. It's easy to take a liberal view of this stuff until confronted with it.
wandererz wrote: » It does count. But it isn't ongoing, it isn't cohesive and isn't sustained. ..............
Odhinn wrote: » If muslims decided to unilaterally kill themselves everytime there was a terrorist attack, .
Odhinn wrote: » If muslims decided to unilaterally kill themselves everytime there was a terrorist attack, you'd still have a problem with them. It's blatant intellectual dishonesty and more than a bit amusing.
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