Three dead as woman beheaded in France

ThewhiteJesus · 29-10-2020 4:41pm

Peter Sampson wrote: »

You're the kind of person who tells an abused woman not to provoke her husband.

Wow, no doubt you'll be back under another name after a few more posts.

440Hertz · 29-10-2020 4:43pm

It's an absolutely horrible and unacceptable attack and I'm quite honestly getting sick of people trying to explain these things as someone being 'offended' by a drawing.

If you're offended by a drawing, to the extent that you go out and commit random murders, you really should be in a padded cell with no sharp objects.

The rest of the world can't go around tiptoeing around volatile psychos, in case they're offended by some innocuous thing and decide to kill you.

It's fairly clear that there are bubbles of radicalisation going on online or elsewhere and you've people with clearly the same personality types as the mass shooting psychopaths in the US being triggered by it.

The reality of this is that someone went out, picked some random person going about their normal everyday stuff and just killed them.

How you un-wind that stuff, I have no idea, but I think trying to rationalise and explain it is a waste of time and energy.

ThewhiteJesus · 29-10-2020 4:44pm

bb1234567 wrote: »

You have said that the victim's actions provoked such a response, and that they should have been more careful to not do such things that evoke that kind of response

It is victim blaming

Actually i said no such thing, if that's what you read perhaps the issue is with you.

breezy1985 · 29-10-2020 4:46pm

mustang shelly wrote: »

Don't let them in full stop.

There are plenty of rich Muslim countries out there. Time for them to take their like in instead of spreading their hatred and barbaric ways to Europe.

I think you will find it was usually Europe that came to them not the other way round

29-10-2020 4:47pm

ThewhiteJesus wrote: »

Actually i said no such thing, if that's what you read perhaps the issue is with you.

You're mad for throwing out blame... there you go again.

Did you, or did you not say, that insulting mohammad was asking for trouble?

29-10-2020 4:47pm

France is getting a real hard time off it. Very difficult issue to resolve. The mayor of Nice, Christian Estrosi, said - Enough is enough … we have to remove this Islamo-fascism from our territory.

Credit -The Guardian.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/oct/29/knife-attack-in-nice-france-people-killed-church

I always wonder why this never happens in The States. Is it because the police are armed to the teeth ?

29-10-2020 4:48pm

6541 wrote: »

France is getting a real hard time off it. Very difficult issue to resolve. The mayor of Nice, Christian Estrosi, said - Enough is enough … we have to remove this Islamo-fascism from our territory.

Credit -The Guardian.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/oct/29/knife-attack-in-nice-france-people-killed-church[/URL

I always wonder why this never happens in The States. Is it because the police are armed to the teeth ?

Harder to get a boat to america. America actually has some immigration laws too.

Kaybaykwah · 29-10-2020 4:49pm

Tony EH wrote: »

There's always a reason. No matter who the psychopath is.

And clearly these people carrying out such murders have a serious level of psychopathic tendency to them.

But how does one go about detecting that at immigration stage?

It's not as "easy" as you seem to think it is.

I'm watching "FranceInfo" Live French news. It seems that the killer gave his name as Ibrahim, but very little else is known about his origin, he is now hospitalized and out of commission. They are testing him for DNA because he didn't have ID with him. They did say he arrived in France via Lampedusa in Italy, I don't know how they got that information from.

breezy1985 · 29-10-2020 4:53pm

6541 wrote: »

France is getting a real hard time off it. Very difficult issue to resolve. The mayor of Nice, Christian Estrosi, said - Enough is enough … we have to remove this Islamo-fascism from our territory.

Credit -The Guardian.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/oct/29/knife-attack-in-nice-france-people-killed-church

I always wonder why this never happens in The States. Is it because the police are armed to the teeth ?

Because the US didn't own half of Africa and Asia the way France, Belgium and Britain did. In the US much like France or Ireland or wherever will mostly find that a lot of terrorists are domestic in some way

DelaneyIn · 29-10-2020 4:53pm

Paris: A man armed with a long knife was arrested in the southeastern French city of Lyon on Thursday as he attempted to board a tram, a source close to the inquiry told AFP.

The suspect, an Afghan national in his 20s who was dressed in a traditional Afghan outfit, had already been flagged to French intelligence services, the source said.

https://gulfnews.com/world/europe/france-police-arrest-afghan-armed-with-knife-in-lyon-1.1603980695465

The mask is starting to slip Islam’s true face is showing.

THE_SHEEP · 29-10-2020 4:53pm

Well , in light of recent events .

Maybe , before the old lady had her throat slit / head chopped off , she should have uttered the words ; " I can't breathe " !!

Then , maybe we might see some sort of reaction from the masse's ( ie marches , looting , removal of statues , bended knee / fist raised gestures etc etc ) .

See where I'm going ?

DelaneyIn · 29-10-2020 4:55pm

Tony EH wrote: »

There's always a reason. No matter who the psychopath is.

And clearly these people carrying out such murders have a serious level of psychopathic tendency to them.

But how does one go about detecting that at immigration stage?

It's not as "easy" as you seem to think it is.

It’s very simple. We close the borders and don’t allow millions more flood into Europe every year.

We make it that simple. What you don’t do is continue to import millions more per annum and hope it all works out.

thegetawaycar · 29-10-2020 4:56pm

Deleted User wrote: »

Harder to get a boat to america. America actually has some immigration laws too.

Immigration laws and the fact if you arrive without reason you are detained until checks are done, in Europe you roam free or are put up in some form of accommodation where you are free to come and go.

We have far more apologists and socialist ways than the US meaning we are soft touch for those that want to cause harm.

The fact that the citizens in the US are also armed to the teeth means you do this type of thing and there will be revenge. If this happened in a church in the US the murderer would face far more severe consequences than they will here.

John Frank Wilson · 29-10-2020 4:57pm

People ask 'Why do they come here if they hate the place so much?' - well... aren't they literally commanded, in their book - which the take VERY literally - to spread Islam through Offensive Jihad - the conquest of non-Muslim lands, with the end goal being to literally establish an entire, one religion - global Islamic state?

To answer my question - yes, they are indeed literally commanded, in their book - which the take VERY literally - to spread Islam through Offensive Jihad - the conquest of non-Muslim lands, with the end goal being to literally establish an entire, one religion - global Islamic state.

440Hertz · 29-10-2020 4:58pm

6541 wrote: »

I always wonder why this never happens in The States. Is it because the police are armed to the teeth ?

There's a different population in the US and different motives, but it's a country that has a huge problem with domestic terrorism, they just don't tend to call it what it is. In 2019 there were 417 mass shootings in the US (defined as at least four people shot by one attacker).

Despite the perception, it's actually significantly more likely that you'll be caught up in a terrorist like incident in the US than in France or the UK, but it's just usually from a different source : disaffected American psychos.

There's a common thread through all of it though - radicalised psychos with a penchant for taking their anger with the world out on random strangers with deadly weapons.

I'm not saying that for the sake of comparing one as better or worse than the other, but the reason for this particular genre of attacks being more unusual in the US is nothing to do with level of armoured of the police. It's just a different set of circumstances.

SnowyMay · 29-10-2020 4:58pm

weldoninhio wrote: »

I worship the moon, why bring the moon into it?

I also like the moon.

Would come as no surprise to some.

But seriously, nobody on this thread is in any way, shape or form condoning this evil shít that happened. I can’t even imagine - decapitation. This is horrific and the stuff of nightmares.

But I also don’t agree with people going out of their way to hurt others. I don’t see why these things should be associated with each other.

You will always get your fking crazy people. If it wasn’t a picture of Mohamed, it would be something else. This is life as it always was, but people taking pleasure in going out of their way to offend for no other reason than to offend is unnecessary and doesn’t help.

Strazdas · 29-10-2020 4:58pm

Tens of millions of Muslims are living peacefully in Europe. The numbers involved in terrorist acts are absolutely tiny : we're talking 0.00001% or something. The ones that resort to violence are often unstable misfits, sometimes with suicidal tendencies. Dying in a hail of police bullets is an easier way of checking out of this life than doing it to themselves.

TomTomTim · 29-10-2020 4:58pm

DelaneyIn wrote: »

It’s very simple. We close the borders and don’t allow millions more flood into Europe every year.

We make it that simple. What you don’t do is continue to import millions more per annum and hope it all works out.

Exactly. It's always been the same for me. The good ones simply aren't worth it for the bad ones. The negative impact of the bad is far more impactful than the positive from the good.

Robsweezie · 29-10-2020 4:59pm

a woman beheaded, people killed but OH NO DONT MOCK THEIR RELIGION

John Frank Wilson · 29-10-2020 5:00pm

Strazdas wrote: »

Tens of millions of Muslims are living peacefully in Europe. The numbers involved in terrorist acts are absolutely tiny : we're talking 0.00001% or something. The ones that resort to violence are often unstable misfits, sometimes with suicidal tendencies. Dying in a hail of police bullets is an easier way of checking out of this life than doing it to themselves.

This may be true - but tell that to the families of poor women who had their heads removed from their bodies while praying in a church.

breezy1985 · 29-10-2020 5:01pm

DelaneyIn wrote: »

It’s very simple. We close the borders and don’t allow millions more flood into Europe every year.

We make it that simple. What you don’t do is continue to import millions more per annum and hope it all works out.

Import millions a year. Surely that's an exaggeration

Limpy · 29-10-2020 5:03pm

Neo liberalism and Islam together are a bad mix for any western culture.

breezy1985 · 29-10-2020 5:03pm

TomTomTim wrote: »

Exactly. It's always been the same for me. The good ones simply aren't worth it for the bad ones. The negative impact of the bad is far more impactful than the positive from the good.

Jesus my life would have been very different if the English thought that way about us

TomTomTim · 29-10-2020 5:04pm

Strazdas wrote: »

Tens of millions of Muslims are living peacefully in Europe. The numbers involved in terrorist acts are absolutely tiny : we're talking 0.00001% or something. The ones that resort to violence are often unstable misfits, sometimes with suicidal tendencies. Dying in a hail of police bullets is an easier way of checking out of this life than doing it to themselves.

A tiny amount of people die from drink driving, so maybe we should keep drink driving.

Amirani · 29-10-2020 5:04pm

Strazdas wrote: »

Tens of millions of Muslims are living peacefully in Europe. The numbers involved in terrorist acts are absolutely tiny : we're talking 0.00001% or something. The ones that resort to violence are often unstable misfits, sometimes with suicidal tendencies. Dying in a hail of police bullets is an easier way of checking out of this life than doing it to themselves.

Yep, lots of truth in this.

Hence why it makes no sense for people to go around trying to justify it by saying people shouldn't be drawing cartoons or "looking for trouble". The problem here isn't Muslims, or even Islam itself. It's a minority of headcases that are waiting for some sort of slight or trigger to do something like this.

Pretzill · 29-10-2020 5:04pm

Tony EH wrote: »

There's always a reason. No matter who the psychopath is.

It's not as "easy" as you seem to think it is.

Actually no there's isn't. And I never said it would be easy, just I think people need to see something is being done.

Rothko · 29-10-2020 5:04pm

ThewhiteJesus wrote: »

it's awful, but then i completely disagree with showing pictures of Mohammed when it's a clearly a very personal and upsetting thing for any muslim to see. Why purposely try upset people, it's only one image and plenty of ways around it.
Does it mean it's ok to murder, of course not but it's looking for trouble imo

There should be no "but"

suicide_circus · 29-10-2020 5:05pm

We probably have a few hundered years of this to look forward to until the Islamic world catches up with the west. Until then we must defend secularism, with the sword if necessary.

deBeauvoir · 29-10-2020 5:05pm

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

In any democracy you should be be allowed make fun of any sky god you like in my considered opinion.

seamus wrote: »

That's funny. The selfish view is in fact, "I believe this thing therefore everyone else must respect it".

Everyone has the right to believe what they want. That right does not extend to protecting your belief from ridicule or giving you special rights because you hold it.

If people haven't noticed we are moving more towards a social decomcray that is multicultural. If we are to succeed in this, we must respect each others differences and handle them with care.

Criticizing the existance of God in an intelligent and decent manner is one thing, but mocking it is childish, unkind and unproductive to democracy as you accomplish nothing but further tensions between groups which threatens democracy. The people who draw these pictures consciously know that they're provoking muslims hoping that they'll respond violently so as to villify them and promote right wing policies off the backs of these tragedies.

We don't allow people to do blackface anymore under the guise of freedom of expression and rightfully so! We do not want to incite the black community and cause riots and deteriorate race relations.

Do you teach your kids to think critically about God and dicuss it in an intelligent and decent manner, or do you teach them to just mock it so that they can develop a sense of superiority.

Part of being a decent person is to act maturely and compassionate towards these issues. To go on stage in a democracy to mock the others and their beliefs is unbecoming and is something that Donald Trump would do - which is not a good development for democracy!

Seriously, what does mocking accomplish towards peace and unity for our society and democracy.

Gradius · 29-10-2020 5:05pm

Strazdas wrote: »

Tens of millions of Muslims are living peacefully in Europe. The numbers involved in terrorist acts are absolutely tiny : we're talking 0.00001% or something. The ones that resort to violence are often unstable misfits, sometimes with suicidal tendencies. Dying in a hail of police bullets is an easier way of checking out of this life than doing it to themselves.

It's far more insidious than you portray.

Just one example, the former Malaysian prime minister declaring unabashedly that it's perfectly okay to kill millions of French people.

Who is he talking to?

Where does his mandate come from?

Who secretly adheres to those same beliefs?

Who, amongst the "peaceful" millions of Muslims in Europe, tacitly condone and encourage and aid murder of Europeans?

Who will smile at you in public and wish you dead behind closed doors?

We'll never know, but these people have an audience, and a significant one. And that says a lot.

440Hertz · 29-10-2020 5:06pm

Limpy wrote: »

Neo liberalism and Islam together are a bad mix for any western culture.

France is neoliberal now? That's news to me.

Generally it's probably the most non-neoliberal country in Europe, with a tendency towards big-state, high taxes and lots of regulation.

France, since the revolution, has defined itself as a secular republic.
It may not have always stuck to that, but that's how the country sees itself and what it's built on.

They stood up against the tyranny of the monarchy and the Catholic Church imposing its will and it's a very different cultural context in many respects to here or the UK in that regard. In both cases (as in much of Europe) the concept of secularism is a bit fuzzier.

They really take their secular heritage very seriously. So the concept of a religion trying to impose its will on the state, beyond just people's private beliefs, is something that isn't going to work. They're not anti-religious, but they take the concept of religion being a private matter and not something to impose on someone else very, very seriously.

Gradius · 29-10-2020 5:09pm

Amirani wrote: »

Yep, lots of truth in this.

Hence why it makes no sense for people to go around trying to justify it by saying people shouldn't be drawing cartoons or "looking for trouble". The problem here isn't Muslims, or even Islam itself. It's a minority of headcases that are waiting for some sort of slight or trigger to do something like this.

I don't agree at all.

To turn a phrase on its head, you don't have fire without smoke. There's an underlying element to this that pervades.

Tony EH · 29-10-2020 5:12pm

Pretzill wrote: »

Actually no there's isn't. And I never said it would be easy, just I think people need to see something is being done.

Pretzill wrote: »

Who said anything about psychopaths? Psychopaths don't often have a reason - these people do, it should be easy enough to spot who is extreme in their religious beliefs - you infiltrate, you use intelligence. Also, another thing which may help is to stop the focus on political correctness and cultural appropriation for the sake of excusing something illegal or murderous.

You, literally, said it should be easy.

suicide_circus · 29-10-2020 5:12pm

deBeauvoir wrote: »

If people haven't noticed we are moving more towards a social decomcray that is multicultural. If we are to succeed in this, we must respect each others differences and handle them with care.

Criticizing the existance of God in an intelligent and decent manner is one thing, but mocking it is childish, unkind and unproductive to democracy as you accomplish nothing but further tensions between groups which threatens democracy. The people who draw these pictures consciously know that they're provoking muslims hoping that they'll respond violently so as to villify them and promote right wing policies off the backs of these tragedies.

We don't allow people to do blackface anymore under the guise of freedom of expression and rightfully so! We do not want to incite the black community and cause riots and deteriorate race relations.

Do you teach your kids to think critically about God and dicuss it in an intelligent and decent manner, or do you teach them to just mock it so that they can develop a sense of superiority.

Part of being a decent person is to act maturely and compassionate towards these issues. To go on stage in a democracy to mock the others and their beliefs is unbecoming and is something that Donald Trump would do - which is not a good development for democracy!

Seriously, what does mocking accomplish towards peace and unity for our society and democracy.

You are a disgrace. Mocking bad ideas is central to our way of life. And the ideas being mocked when a cartoon of Mohammed is shown are demonstrably insane. Youre sentiments are degraded and pathetic.

Limpy · 29-10-2020 5:13pm

440Hertz wrote: »

France is neoliberal now? That's news to me.
Generally it's probably the most non-neoliberal country in Europe, with a tendency towards big-state, high taxes and lots of regulation.

Neo liberalism,.as in the group's working hand over fist to open borders, rescue migrants in boat's ect. How many group's with Powerful Media platform's and Money from the likes of George Soros foundations are in operation. They along with radial Islamic beliefs are the problem ( funded by Western allies mind you) SA ect.

440Hertz · 29-10-2020 5:15pm

Limpy wrote: »

Neo liberalism,.as in the group's working hand over fist to open borders, rescue migrants in boat's ect. ....

That's not neoliberalism. It's altruistic humanitarianism, based on trying to reach out and help people and seeing good will in fellow humans.

Europe in particular has very high ideals about humanitarianism and human rights, due to what happened in the recent past.

The values that Europe has stood for since WWII ended, particularly things like the concept of universal human rights, are hugely positive.

We need to be carful, but at the same time we also don’t need to go down the route of regressing to hardline nationalism either.

There’s a balance between security and humanitarianism.

Pretzill · 29-10-2020 5:15pm

deBeauvoir wrote: »

If people haven't noticed we are moving more towards a social decomcray that is multicultural. If we are to succeed in this, we must respect each others differences and handle them with care.

Seriously, what does mocking accomplish towards peace and unity for our society and democracy.

Great first post. What an absolute load of twaddle, it is this rhetoric that excuses these heinous acts of violence. Blackface has nothing to do with religious belief, it's offensive because of the way it was used historically. Mocking religion is a sign of a nations maturity. Unfortunatley it is diatribe like this which wants to pull us back towards the dark ages.

Strazdas · 29-10-2020 5:16pm

Gradius wrote: »

It's far more insidious than you portray.

Just one example, the former Malaysian prime minister declaring unabashedly that it's perfectly okay to kill millions of French people.

Who is he talking to?

Where does his mandate come from?

Who secretly adheres to those same beliefs?

Who, amongst the "peaceful" millions of Muslims in Europe, tacitly condone and encourage and aid murder of Europeans?

Who will smile at you in public and wish you dead behind closed doors?

We'll never know, but these people have an audience, and a significant one. And that says a lot.

That is a somewhat separate issue. There are an estimated 20 million Muslims living in the EU. Clearly the numbers involved in violence are an absolutely tiny fraction of this.

Incidentally there are plenty of right wing / far right leaning racist and bigot types who will smile at Muslims and black people in public and "wish them dead behind closed doors" : that is a two way street.

Das Reich · 29-10-2020 5:16pm

Nekarsulm wrote: »

If people don't like living in a Republic where Church and State are separate, and freedom of expression allowed, there are many other countries more suited to their mind set.
France would be happy to see them go.

To see who go? The native French that is the minority (at least on the bigger cities)? I think other European countries don't need liberal left wing French people that proved to be a disgrace to their country.

Limpy · 29-10-2020 5:18pm

440Hertz wrote: »

That's not neoliberalism. It's altruistic humanitarianism, based on trying to reach out and help people and seeing good will in fellow humans.

Europe in particular has very high ideals about humanitarianism and human rights, due to what happened in the recent past. So, it's not

And the payback for this is beheadings, shootings and Bombs.

Amirani · 29-10-2020 5:18pm

deBeauvoir wrote: »

If people haven't noticed we are moving more towards a social decomcray that is multicultural. If we are to succeed in this, we must respect each others differences and handle them with care.

Criticizing the existance of God in an intelligent and decent manner is one thing, but mocking it is childish, unkind and unproductive to democracy as you accomplish nothing but further tensions between groups which threatens democracy. The people who draw these pictures consciously know that they're provoking muslims hoping that they'll respond violently so as to villify them and promote right wing policies off the backs of these tragedies.

We don't allow people to do blackface anymore under the guise of freedom of expression and rightfully so! We do not want to incite the black community and cause riots and deteriorate race relations.

Do you teach your kids to think critically about God and dicuss it in an intelligent and decent manner, or do you teach them to just mock it so that they can develop a sense of superiority.

Part of being a decent person is to act maturely and compassionate towards these issues. To go on stage in a democracy to mock the others and their beliefs is unbecoming and is something that Donald Trump would do - which is not a good development for democracy!

Seriously, what does mocking accomplish towards peace and unity for our society and democracy.

So you don't like satire then. Grand.

jam_mac_jam · 29-10-2020 5:18pm

deBeauvoir wrote: »

If people haven't noticed we are moving more towards a social decomcray that is multicultural. If we are to succeed in this, we must respect each others differences and handle them with care.

Criticizing the existance of God in an intelligent and decent manner is one thing, but mocking it is childish, unkind and unproductive to democracy as you accomplish nothing but further tensions between groups which threatens democracy. The people who draw these pictures consciously know that they're provoking muslims hoping that they'll respond violently so as to villify them and promote right wing policies off the backs of these tragedies.

We don't allow people to do blackface anymore under the guise of freedom of expression and rightfully so! We do not want to incite the black community and cause riots and deteriorate race relations.

Do you teach your kids to think critically about God and dicuss it in an intelligent and decent manner, or do you teach them to just mock it so that they can develop a sense of superiority.

Part of being a decent person is to act maturely and compassionate towards these issues. To go on stage in a democracy to mock the others and their beliefs is unbecoming and is something that Donald Trump would do - which is not a good development for democracy!

Seriously, what does mocking accomplish towards peace and unity for our society and democracy.

Blackface is not illegal so I am not sure how we don't allow it. Maybe it would fall under harassment laws I'm not sure.

In a democracy you have a right to offend people, you have a right to mock.

Yes ideally we should all respect each other and be nice but part of a democracy is allowing ideas you don't like. Which includes mocking religion.

Nobody has a right not to be offended.

Gradius · 29-10-2020 5:22pm

Strazdas wrote: »

That is a somewhat separate issue. There are an estimated 20 million Muslims living in the EU. Clearly the numbers involved in violence are an absolutely tiny fraction of this.

Incidentally there are plenty of right wing / far right leaning racist and bigot types who will smile at Muslims and black people in public and "wish them dead behind closed doors" : that is a two way street.

It is 100% connected. There is a significant audience of Muslims living in Europe that like the messages of "killing millions of French people is okay".

You don't get a prime minister, of all things, speaking out publicly to a handful of nuts. No, there are many more listening and nodding in agreement.

When there's a trend of immigrant Irish Catholics beheading Muslims in mosques in Pakistan, for the sole reason that they are Muslims, then you can get back to me with the "what about" stuff.

completedit · 29-10-2020 5:22pm

jam_mac_jam wrote: »

Blackface is not illegal so I am not sure how we don't allow it. Maybe it would fall under harassment laws I'm not sure.

In a democracy you have a right to offend people, you have a right to mock.

Yes ideally we should all respect each other and be nice but part of a democracy is allowing ideas you don't like. Which includes mocking religion.

Nobody has a right not to be offended.

It doesn't achieve anything. It's not funny or edgy, none of our lives are better because the prophet Muhammad is depicted in a picture.
So many aspects of life are restricted for the greater good and this is one of those cases. Ideally everything would be fair game but sometimes there will be taboos and this is one of them.

29-10-2020 5:23pm

440Hertz wrote: »

That's not neoliberalism. It's altruistic humanitarianism, based on trying to reach out and help people and seeing good will in fellow humans.

Europe in particular has very high ideals about humanitarianism and human rights, due to what happened in the recent past.

The values that Europe has stood for since WWII ended, particularly things like the concept of universal human rights, are hugely positive.

We need to be carful, but at the same time we also don’t need to go down the route of regressing to hardline nationalism either.

There’s a balance between security and humanitarianism.

The problem with the emotional humanitarian argument is that Europe can't logistically cope with infinite waves of refugees. Nobody is saying reject them all either, but if you can't take everyone, you need to come to an agreement on how many can be taken. If politicians came up with an annual number of migrants, and stuck to that, then most people wouldn't have a problem.

The worst example I can think of is Merkel giving hope to millions of migrants in 2015. Several hundred rapes and violent assaults later German is quietly deporting them by the planeload but nobody is talking about it because it hurts the feeelz.

ZeroThreat · 29-10-2020 5:24pm

Strazdas wrote: »

Tens of millions of Muslims are living peacefully in Europe. The numbers involved in terrorist acts are absolutely tiny : we're talking 0.00001% or something. The ones that resort to violence are often unstable misfits, sometimes with suicidal tendencies. Dying in a hail of police bullets is an easier way of checking out of this life than doing it to themselves.

0.00001% is one hundred thousanth of a percent, or one in 10 million.

I'd hazard a guess the numbers involved in extremist terrorism are higher than 2 people. (given that the muslim population of the EU is about 20million)

More likely at least a few percent. (if you include the support network for these terrorist cells and the most radicalised fanatics)

DelaneyIn · 29-10-2020 5:24pm

(ANSA) - ROME, OCT 29 - Brahim A, a 25-year-old Tunisian who killed a man and two women at a church in Nice Thursday, beheading one of the women, landed at the Italian island of Lampedusa, Italian security sources said, confirming reports from the French city.

Another Tunisian, Anis Amri, arrived at Lampedusa as a minor in 2011 and went on to kill 12 people in a truck attack on a Berlin Christmas market in 2016.

https://www.ansa.it/english/news/world/2020/10/29/nice-killer-landed-at-lampedusa_fc80c0d5-f71d-4ed7-9f73-a9c1d71f317f.html

Again, many warned that this was inevitably going to happen. Those helping illegal immigrants land in Europe, including many Irish NGOs, must be arrested for aiding and abetting illegal immigration and human trafficking.

They have a lot of blood on their hands. As do all who support open borders. This Islamist would never have been in France if not for their help and support.

Limpy · 29-10-2020 5:27pm

DelaneyIn wrote: »

https://www.ansa.it/english/news/world/2020/10/29/nice-killer-landed-at-lampedusa_fc80c0d5-f71d-4ed7-9f73-a9c1d71f317f.html

Again, many warned that this was inevitably going to happen. Those helping illegal immigrants land in Europe, including many Irish NGOs, must be arrested for aiding and abetting illegal immigration and human trafficking.

They have a lot of blood on their hands. As do all who support open borders. This Islamist would never have been in France if not for their help and support.

440hertz this is the outcome of being a soft lefty.

Spanish Eyes · 29-10-2020 5:28pm

I thought I read somewhere that the murderer was Tunisian, same as that truck driver murderer on the Promenade des Anglais. Tunisia has a complicated post colonial relationship with France, just like Algeria. There are a lot of Tunisians living in France now.

What a disgusting act. But my words won't solve anything. No one has the answers now that the stable door has been open for so long.

440Hertz · 29-10-2020 5:29pm

DelaneyIn wrote: »

https://www.ansa.it/english/news/world/2020/10/29/nice-killer-landed-at-lampedusa_fc80c0d5-f71d-4ed7-9f73-a9c1d71f317f.html

Again, many warned that this was inevitably going to happen. Those helping illegal immigrants land in Europe, including many Irish NGOs, must be arrested for aiding and abetting illegal immigration and human trafficking.

They have a lot of blood on their hands. As do all who support open borders. This Islamist would never have been in France if not for their help and support.

I doubt that to be quite honest, particularly given that France has very recent history as the colonial power in a large number of predominantly Islamic countries, notably in North Africa, which is where the majority of the French Islamic community comes from.

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