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Nazi memorabilia for sale in Dublin. Appropriate?

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  • #102
    wakka12
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,786 ✭✭✭wakka12


    Who tf cares. I doubt the owner is a neo nazi so just leave it, think of it as an artefact rather than anything else. The holocaust happened, should we just pretend it didnt by discarding precious materials such as the ones on sale? Maybe theyre not important enough for museums, and what then ? is it better they just sit in archive boxes forever?
    I could see a problem with him producing new first hand nazi symbols and imagery, I honestly wouldnt give a **** about that either but yeah..


  • #103
    Wurzelbert
    Registered Users Posts: 1,804 ✭✭✭Wurzelbert


    Deleted User wrote: »
    The fact that Mao is a restaurant that specializes in Asian foods made me laugh so hard. It's like opening one that specializes in German food and calling it Adolf's!

    yeah, the mao place in town could be seen as a major affront to the countless millions of mao victims…funny how people like mao, stalin and others are still revered by so many these days…


  • #104
    Zebra3
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,946 ✭✭✭✭Zebra3


    darkpagandeath wrote: »
    You are not doing sex right if someone is not dressed in an SS uniform.

    Can't beat a bit of Hugo Boss.


  • #105
    droidman123
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,538 ✭✭✭droidman123


    You can but union jacks and other british memorabilia openly,not much difference imo


  • #106
    Annasopra
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,104 ✭✭✭✭Annasopra


    ToddyDoody wrote: »
    I'd say it's fine. Lightening never strikes twice and do we even have many Jews in Ireland?

    There was an article about a Kilkenny man who's daughter Bought him a birthday cake with the swastika on it. He simply admired the fashions, not the ideology!!

    Maybe that was Michael McGrath

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



  • #107
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    2011 wrote: »
    It had occurred to me yes.
    Nonetheless I tend to avoid those people.

    Might I ask why? (regarding those who collect Nazi memorbillia?)


  • #108
    darkpagandeath
    Closed Accounts Posts: 24,465 ✭✭✭✭darkpagandeath


    droidman123 wrote: »
    You can but union jacks and other british memorabilia openly,not much difference imo

    True also no one seems to have a problem with a Crucifix either.


  • #109
    Bonniedog
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,665 ✭✭✭Bonniedog


    Deleted User wrote: »
    The fact that Mao is a restaurant that specializes in Asian foods made me laugh so hard. It's like opening one that specializes in German food and calling it Adolf's!


    The idea of any sort of food outlet being called after someone who was responsible for at least two artificial famines, one of which was probably the worst in recorded history, is beyond parody.

    I wonder are the people who own the place aware of any of this?


  • #110
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    suicide_circus wrote: »
    http://orig14.deviantart.net/ff93/f/2012/237/7/5/my_little_nazi_by_lahmattea-d5cdftg.jpg

    See you and raise you
    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/4a/Ilsa_she_wolf_of_ss_poster_02.jpg
    which is an actual movie, which I may have seen.....


  • #111
    Wurzelbert
    Registered Users Posts: 1,804 ✭✭✭Wurzelbert


    Deleted User wrote: »
    I once met a girl whose father was actually a Nazi soldier. This was a few years back, so I'm sure he's dead by now, but I would have absolutely loved to have talked to him about it. You often hear stories from the Allies, but never from the other side as such, unless they're made out to be evil and villains. It would have been really interesting to actually hear what he had to say.

    i have known many german ww2 soldiers, including a number of relatives, and believe me, they were human beings like all others…


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  • #112
    the evasion_kid
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,740 ✭✭✭the evasion_kid


    Nodin wrote: »
    See you and raise you
    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/4a/Ilsa_she_wolf_of_ss_poster_02.jpg
    which is an actual movie, which I may have seen.....

    http://i.imgur.com/I0t0I.gif


  • #113
    MonkieSocks
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,358 ✭✭✭MonkieSocks


    True story.

    My Dad’s, Dad fought in WW1 And his battalion were involved in the famous Christmas truce of 1914.

    The Germans and the allies sang Christmas Carols and hymns together and swapped various items.

    My Dad said Granddad brought back some German Souvenirs but had to sell them later as they went through tough times.


    Ref: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christmas_truce

    _____________________________________


    During WW2 My Dad was imprisoned in the Curragh Camp for being a Republican.

    There were three sections in the camp at the time: one each for the IRA, Allied airmen and German mariners and airmen.

    At Christmas Time all three sections Sang Christmas Carols and hymns together to remember those of 1914 truce


    Ref: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Curragh_Camp


    Ordinary people caught up in the inhumanity of war



    "The guns fell silent when the night the angels sang"

    =(:-) Me? I know who I am. I'm a dude playing a dude disguised as another dude (-:)=



  • #114
    Jawgap
    Closed Accounts Posts: 20,297 ✭✭✭✭Jawgap


    Adolf's brother worked in Dublin for a while, maybe it's some of his gear ;)


  • #115
    Whosthis
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,342 ✭✭✭Whosthis


    There's a decent enough movie about the 1914 truce, not your typical Christmas movie. Joyeux Noel
    http://imdb.com/rg/an_share/title/title/tt0424205/


  • #116
    2011
    Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators, Regional East Moderators Posts: 12,602 Mod ✭✭✭✭2011


    Nodin wrote: »
    Might I ask why? (regarding those who collect Nazi memorbillia?)

    If you read my post I say that I "tend to avoid people that collect Nazi memorabilia and have swastikas tattooed on them".
    This is because they are generally rather vile creatures, full of hate with extremist views that do not align with my own views.

    As it happens I went to school with one of these individuals. I always found it amusing how upset he was when his brother announced that he was gay.


  • #117
    Conall Cernach
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,952 ✭✭✭Conall Cernach


    There's a second hand shop just off Capel Street, along Mary's Abbey, that has some Nazi daggers in the window. I'd say they're copies though as stuff like that sells for big bucks normally.


  • #118
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    Conall Cernach wrote: »
    There's a second hand shop just off Capel Street, along Mary's Abbey, that has some Nazi daggers in the window. I'd say they're copies though as stuff like that sells for big bucks normally.

    More than likely copies. The SS honour dagger certainly has a copy floating about, as does the ceremonial Luftwaffe dagger.

    Do they have this style handle?
    http://wwwancientarmsbiz.pixafyhosting.com/media/catalog/product/cache/1/image/9df78eab33525d08d6e5fb8d27136e95/g/e/german_wood_brown_2.jpg


  • #119
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    2011 wrote: »
    If you read my post I say that I "tend to avoid people that collect Nazi memorabilia and have swastikas tattooed on them".
    This is because they tend to be rather vile creatures that extremist views that do not align with my own views.

    That's perfectly fair enough, but I'm just curious as to your objection to the sale of Nazi memorbillia - what's the basis for this?


  • #120
    2011
    Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators, Regional East Moderators Posts: 12,602 Mod ✭✭✭✭2011


    Nodin wrote: »
    That's perfectly fair enough, but I'm just curious as to your objection to the sale of Nazi memorbillia - what's the basis for this?

    Read this post and it should answer your question on my views and reasoning. As explained in this post I was more surprised than shocked.

    As it happens I have quite a few connections with Germany and am particularly fond of the country and people. I lived and worked in Germany for in the nineties, I attended a German primary school in Dublin (and spoke passable German at time) and one of my friends was a senior officer in the German army (about 20 years ago).


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  • #121
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    2011 wrote: »
    Read this post and it should answer your question on my views and reasoning. As explained in this post I was more surprised than shocked.

    As it happens I have quite a few connections with Germany and am particularly fond of the country and people. I lived and worked in Germany for in the nineties, I attended a German primary school in Dublin (and spoke passable German at time) and one of my friends was a senior officer in the German army (about 20 years ago).

    Fair enough. I'd be surprised to see the genuine article on sale here myself in an average place, though I've objection to it, having a small collection myself.


  • #122
    2011
    Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators, Regional East Moderators Posts: 12,602 Mod ✭✭✭✭2011


    Nodin wrote: »
    Fair enough. I'd be surprised to see the genuine article on sale here myself in an average place, though I've objection to it, having a small collection myself.

    I have no idea as to the veracity of the claim that this is authentic (as per my opening post).
    If you want I will PM you the name of the shop.


  • #123
    darkpagandeath
    Closed Accounts Posts: 24,465 ✭✭✭✭darkpagandeath


    Nodin wrote: »
    Fair enough. I'd be surprised to see the genuine article on sale here myself in an average place, though I've objection to it, having a small collection myself.

    Remind me again about Ireland and the old Nazis connection. I'm not surprised at all.


  • #124
    ClovenHoof
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,121 ✭✭✭ClovenHoof


    Jawgap wrote: »
    Adolf's brother worked in Dublin for a while, maybe it's some of his gear ;)


    Years before the Munich Uprising.


  • #125
    mickoc
    Registered Users Posts: 95 ✭✭mickoc


    Sure wasn't Ireland one of the first countries to sign the book of condolences for Hitler after he died. Why would it offend you anyway OP, it's history.


  • #126
    Jawgap
    Closed Accounts Posts: 20,297 ✭✭✭✭Jawgap


    ClovenHoof wrote: »
    Years before the Munich Uprising.

    It was a post in jest :rolleyes:

    There's a place in Carlingford carries a lot of militaria including a lot of Heer, Kriegsmarine, Luftwaffe items. He also carries some Nazi party items.

    It's interesting to pick over what he has. The only reason I've never bought anything from him is because he's yet to stock anything that would fit with my collection.


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  • #127
    BenedrylPete
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 178 ✭✭BenedrylPete


    mickoc wrote: »
    Sure wasn't Ireland one of the first countries to sign the book of condolences for Hitler after he died. Why would it offend you anyway OP, it's history.

    oh ffs


  • #128
    Arbiter of Good Taste
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,200 ✭✭✭Arbiter of Good Taste


    Deleted User wrote: »
    The fact that Mao is a restaurant that specializes in Asian foods made me laugh so hard. It's like opening one that specializes in German food and calling it Adolf's!

    Yeah, didn't something like 30 million people die of starvation due to Mao's policies?

    Most Irish people know jack **** about history :rolleyes:


  • #129
    Jawgap
    Closed Accounts Posts: 20,297 ✭✭✭✭Jawgap


    Deleted User wrote: »
    The fact that Mao is a restaurant that specializes in Asian foods made me laugh so hard. It's like opening one that specializes in German food and calling it Adolf's!
    Arbiter of Good Taste wrote: »
    Yeah, didn't something like 30 million people die of starvation due to Mao's policies?

    Most Irish people know jack **** about history :rolleyes:

    Great restaurant.......it really shook things up when it arrived.......you could almost say......

    .......it was revolutionary........


  • #130
    2011
    Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators, Regional East Moderators Posts: 12,602 Mod ✭✭✭✭2011


    mickoc wrote: »
    Sure wasn't Ireland one of the first countries to sign the book of condolences for Hitler after he died. Why would it offend you anyway OP, it's history.

    Yeah, sure Hitler was a great lad.
    He was just a little misunderstood which resulted in some bad press....


  • #131
    Arbiter of Good Taste
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,200 ✭✭✭Arbiter of Good Taste


    Nodin wrote: »
    That's perfectly fair enough, but I'm just curious as to your objection to the sale of Nazi memorbillia - what's the basis for this?

    The OP doesn't like repressive regimes - well except for the censorship bit. That ok apparently....


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  • #132
    darkpagandeath
    Closed Accounts Posts: 24,465 ✭✭✭✭darkpagandeath


    BenedrylPete wrote: »
    oh ffs

    It's not true ?


  • #133
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    darkpagandeath wrote: »
    Remind me again about Ireland and the old Nazis connection. I'm not surprised at all.

    Being after the war I doubt they would have been carrying round a vast collection from the "good old days".


  • #134
    2011
    Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators, Regional East Moderators Posts: 12,602 Mod ✭✭✭✭2011


    Arbiter of Good Taste wrote: »
    The OP doesn't like repressive regimes - well except for the censorship bit. That ok apparently....

    Sure a bit of censorship never hurt anyone :rolleyes:


  • #135
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    2011 wrote: »
    Sure a bit of censorship never hurt anyone :rolleyes:

    ....and if it did, sure they kept quiet about it, for some reason.....


  • #136
    Tony EH
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,549 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    Nazi memorabilia for sale in Dublin. Appropriate?

    Of course./thread


  • #137
    BenedrylPete
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 178 ✭✭BenedrylPete


    darkpagandeath wrote: »
    It's not true ?

    Ja das ist richt.

    Dev haß einen booch signen.


    seriously though its the most desperate barrel scraping attempt at inference in historical context.

    belongs in the sun with rumors of refueling uboats.


  • #138
    Tony EH
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,549 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    2011 wrote: »
    Really? I had never seen items like this for sale before, it is not as if I went looking for them.

    How old are you?


  • #139
    Tony EH
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,549 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    Wibbs wrote: »
    I have it written down somewhere alright, but god knows where. :s I'm 99% positive it was from the big RAF Tangmere raid.

    If it's the 16th August raid, then it's more than likely from StG 2, who dispatched 50 Stukas to attack the airfield.


  • #140
    Capt'n Midnight
    Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 92,484 Mod ✭✭✭✭Capt'n Midnight


    Wibbs wrote: »
    Oh and ebay does sell that stuff. I got two of the above watches from the site. Their nazi militaria section is enormous. What they don't allow is anything with the swastika on it. At least in photographs of the item being sold. Amazon will sell any amount of books on the period. Their "morality" is wafer thin.
    ebay and Amazon might sell Nazi kit.

    Facebook insists on people using real names, but is OK with terrorists spreading propaganda and people traffickers using it's services. Remember all the people killed in nasty ways because it attracted publicity in the middle east and all those migrants who drowned ? Facebook's real name policy stopped that didn't it ?


  • #141
    2011
    Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators, Regional East Moderators Posts: 12,602 Mod ✭✭✭✭2011


    Tony EH wrote: »
    How old are you?

    Tell me why my age is relevant and I might answer that question.


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  • #142
    Capt'n Midnight
    Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 92,484 Mod ✭✭✭✭Capt'n Midnight


    kylith wrote: »
    Rubbish. The items are not evil. Things can't be evil.

    Calculon: [voice-over] ...working in an automotive research lab. I was working on Project Satan ... [He puts a door onto the side of a red car.] ... a savage, intelligent military vehicle built from the most evil parts of the most evil cars in all the world. The steering wheel from Hitler's staff car, the left-turn signal from Charles Manson's VW, the windshield wipers from that car that played Knight Rider.


    Fry: Knight Rider wasn't evil.

    Calculon: His windshield wipers were. It didn't come up much in the show though. Anyway...


  • #143
    Tony EH
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,549 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    2011 wrote: »
    Tell me why my age is relevant and I might answer that question.

    Because I find that the more mature people get, the less "offended" they get by inanimate objects.

    With everything that goes on in our would at the moment, wondering if whether selling WWII memorabilia is appropriate or not has to be way, way down on one's list and with a bit of age, you'll realise this.

    As to the question, it's entirely appropriate to collectors of WWII items, who you'll find, if you wish to find out more about it, tend to collect items from all of the major combatants of the conflict and often will seek out rarer items from smaller countries too.

    If you're questioning why selling items from the Third Reich is "appropriate" or not, then you must apply that to all historical items. Is it "appropriate" to sell Imperial Roman items, considering the fact that their armies destroyed far more than the nazis ever could.

    Don't let the Hakenkreuz (swastika) be such a touchstone. The nazis are certainly not alone in the annals of historical horror.


  • #144
    2011
    Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators, Regional East Moderators Posts: 12,602 Mod ✭✭✭✭2011


    Tony EH wrote: »
    Because I find that the more mature people get, the less "offended" they get by inanimate objects.

    This is the problem with only reading parts of a thread.
    Perhaps you should read this post where I clarify my "offence" :)

    With everything that goes on in our would at the moment, wondering if whether selling WWII memorabilia is appropriate or not has to be way, way down on one's list and with a bit of age, you'll realise this.

    As it happens I am the wrong side of 40 and I have seen my fair share of war memorabilia in the Imperial War Museum in London, a war museum in Paris and at a friends house (he had to build an extension onto his house to store his extensive military uniform collection). These are places that I expect to see such things and I have to say I found it fascinating. However I did find it odd to find doodles from Adolf Hitler (if they are genuine) in a furniture shop.

    Perhaps as I grow older I will become accustomed to finding delightful personal possessions belonging to the great Führer in other furniture shops :pac:


  • #145
    Tony EH
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,549 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    2011 wrote: »
    This is the problem with only reading parts of a thread.
    Perhaps you should read this post where I clarify my "offence" :)

    I've read the entire thread, including your rollback above, which is why I put "offended" in inverted commas. I don't believe that you are, but you clearly take exception.
    2011 wrote: »
    As it happens I am the wrong side of 40 and I have seen my fair share of war memorabilia in the Imperial War Museum in London, a war museum in Paris and at a friends house (he had to build an extension onto his house to store his extensive military uniform collection). These are places that I expect to see such things and I have to say I found it fascinating. However I did find it odd to find doodles from Adolf Hitler (if they are genuine) in a furniture shop.

    Perhaps as I grow older I will become accustomed to finding delightful personal possessions belonging to the great Führer in other furniture shops :pac:

    Personally I would find it quite odd to find such items in a furniture shop myself, but frankly I would consider it a great find, assuming that the items were, indeed, genuine and I was still indulging in collecting WWII stuff.

    I would suspect that the items in question are largely fake, if they're in a cabinet off to the side of a furniture shop. That would worry me more, to be perfectly honest.


  • #146
    AlekSmart
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,005 ✭✭✭✭AlekSmart


    Capt'n Midnight wrote: »
    Calculon: [voice-over] ...working in an automotive research lab. I was working on Project Satan ... [He puts a door onto the side of a red car.] ... a savage, intelligent military vehicle built from the most evil parts of the most evil cars in all the world. The steering wheel from Hitler's staff car, the left-turn signal from Charles Manson's VW, the windshield wipers from that car that played Knight Rider.


    Fry: Knight Rider wasn't evil.

    Calculon: His windshield wipers were. It didn't come up much in the show though. Anyway...

    The wipers on this yoke don't look up to much...do they...but a cool half Million nonetheless.......the virtues of the Freemarket Economy...

    http://www.nydailynews.com/news/world/himmler-nazi-death-car-sale-500-000-article-1.2461016

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hu7UzZVkeJE

    There's even a bit of synergy goin on too...Give it a lash Iggy....(Imagine that car-transport Train full of brand new Wanderers ?)

    Great thread all the same :):)


    Men, it has been well said, think in herds; it will be seen that they go mad in herds, while they only recover their senses slowly, and one by one.

    Charles Mackay (1812-1889)



  • #147
    2011
    Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators, Regional East Moderators Posts: 12,602 Mod ✭✭✭✭2011


    Tony EH wrote: »
    I've read the entire thread, including your rollback above, which is why I put "offended" in inverted commas.

    "Rollback" :D:D
    Believe that if you like, I don't mind.
    As you have read the entire thread you will know that I have not taken myself or this topic too seriously throughout (with references to Father Ted from early on).
    I don't believe that you are, but you clearly take exception.

    I don't know what you mean by this.
    Personally I would find it quite odd to find such items in a furniture shop myself, but frankly I would consider it a great find, assuming that the items were, indeed, genuine and I was still indulging in collecting WWII stuff.

    As it happens I bought Russian medal just because it looked interesting.
    I would suspect that the items in question are largely fake, if they're in a cabinet off to the side of a furniture shop. That would worry me more, to be perfectly honest.

    Perhaps it is all fake, I don't know. However if I was a betting man I would bet that most or all of it is what it claimed to be. It certianly looked authentic to my very untrained eye. There were also a number of medals with "reproduction" written above them.

    I sent Nodin the details by PM. Ask him, he seems to be a bit of an authority on this stuff.


  • #148
    PucaMama
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,129 ✭✭✭PucaMama


    Saw plenty of stuff at antique sales. It's ok to collect nazi memorabilia.


  • #149
    wendell borton
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,336 ✭✭✭wendell borton


    The_Valeyard wrote: »
    Historical artefacts. No problem with it.


    Its hardly going to be placed over the mantel piece surrounded by an altar and burning fires.

    That would look great in the "good room" in fairness.


  • #150
    Jawgap
    Closed Accounts Posts: 20,297 ✭✭✭✭Jawgap


    wendell borton wrote: »
    That would look great in the "good room" in fairness.

    http://i1.ytimg.com/vi/5HdI0Y_NUQA/hqdefault.jpg


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  • #151
    Francie Barrett
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,768 ✭✭✭✭Francie Barrett


    Most of this Nazi stuff is fake.


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