Changes in the GAA - super thread

Prop Joe · 12-04-2019 9:56pm

gaffer91 wrote: »

What's wrong with Saturday afternoon?

I'd imagine there is a huge proportion of the population working on a Saturday compared to a Sunday - Saturday afternoon throw in's have been notoriously poorly attended

Bonniedog · 12-04-2019 10:02pm

Saturday afternoons don't have a great history. Evenings are usually well attended if venue is not big journey for either.

The Lost Sheep · 13-04-2019 2:25am

Duffryman wrote: »

If you’re talking the likes of Leinster in the RDS or Munster in Thomond Park, I’d wager that the vast majority of people bringing young kids to those games are just travelling from Dublin or Limerick anyway.

Would be a different story for the likes of Waterford away to Clare or Limerick in the Munster hurling championship, or Galway away to Kilkenny or Wexford in Leinster.

Far from case at any of them. Same with Connacht. Fans travelling from all over. significant enough numbers with young kids wouldnt simply be travelling from city game is played in

Prop Joe · 13-04-2019 11:37am

In fairness Connachts home European games wouldnt draw the crowd of a Galway county final so i wouldnt use them as a barometer.

I know Thomand for European games is only ever full for Sat eve & Sunday afternoon games,It's rare that they get a full house on Saturday afternoon and only play when TV dictates.

It makes perfect sense for the GAA to keep with Sunday afternoon as the prime time slot with a sprinkling of Sat night games.

gaffer91 · 13-04-2019 2:27pm

Prop Joe wrote: »

I'd imagine there is a huge proportion of the population working on a Saturday compared to a Sunday - Saturday afternoon throw in's have been notoriously poorly attended

This is only my own personal experience, but as someone who does work weekends, I've found that when you're on, you're typically on for both days, not just one of the two.

Bonniedog wrote: »

Saturday afternoons don't have a great history. Evenings are usually well attended if venue is not big journey for either.

I'd say this is mostly because such games have been fairly meaningless qualifiers. I don't think people would skip the game purely because it's on a Saturday.

Prop Joe wrote: »

It makes perfect sense for the GAA to keep with Sunday afternoon as the prime time slot with a sprinkling of Sat night games.

It doesn't though- Sunday is a lot of hassle for working people in terms of travel home etc. I'm happy for Saturday night games but other people have cited the issues for kids. As such, Saturday afternoon seems to suit everyone.

Bonniedog · 13-04-2019 9:51pm

I know one of the reasons that Croke Park games with expectation of big crowds were moved from afternoon to evening was Garda advice on the massive traffic congestion with match traffic adding to shoppers and Saturday workers.

People from long distances have legitimate issues about leaving Dublin at 9,30 at night, but that's the reason.

Similar would apply to any major game in any of the other likely venues outside Dublin.

seligehgit · 18-04-2019 7:39am

GAA declares ban on foreign training camps from next year.

https://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaa-declares-ban-on-foreign-training-camps-from-next-year-38027072.html

Bass Reeves · 18-04-2019 1:21pm

seligehgit wrote: »

GAA declares ban on foreign training camps from next year.

https://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaa-declares-ban-on-foreign-training-camps-from-next-year-38027072.html

Right and proper it only a cost race trying to get an advantage

Bass Reeves · 18-04-2019 1:25pm

seligehgit wrote: »

GAA declares ban on foreign training camps from next year.

https://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaa-declares-ban-on-foreign-training-camps-from-next-year-38027072.html

Right and proper it only a cost race trying to get an advantage

Bonniedog · 24-04-2019 10:02pm

How many teams go on them? And what real benefit are they?

Surely nothing can be got from them than the week in Bear Island or wherever.

Important too, that it doesn't stop teams getting holidays together if they do well.

Bass Reeves · 29-04-2019 12:18pm

Bonniedog wrote: »

How many teams go on them? And what real benefit are they?

Surely nothing can be got from them than the week in Bear Island or wherever.

Important too, that it doesn't stop teams getting holidays together if they do well.

Team training holidays have been scheduled over the April club period for this yeas and last year. It's a way of encouraging players away from clubs during this period . It reduces the window to have players available for club games. There is also the weaker sport factor where counties will schedule hurling and football competition's into this period thereby making county players who play the opposite sport to be unavailable. As well you had the sitution where players were by the way organizing these holidays themselves.

Bonniedog · 29-04-2019 12:28pm

Well, they shouldn't be doing that if it is the case.

Was interesting listening to O'Neill and the Kildare club managers and players who touched on availability yesterday when they were interviewed on TG4.

In fairness O'Neill seemed to see the recent league and championship games as a benefit although he referred to possibility of injuries. Kildare and other counties including Dublin and Cork and Kerry seem to have done a good job in April, but of course there will be long gap now till county champonships resume; late August at earliest for all three probably.

Which brings me back to one of my bugbears. Why is it that some of the counties who are well out of SHC and SFC by June or July, are the worst at organising their club programmes? They have no excuse.

Bass Reeves · 29-04-2019 11:33pm

Limerick has ran 2 rounds of there county championship in both football and hurling in senior and intermediate over 4 weekends as well as an extra round of games in there premier intermediate championship. The delay of a week because of the hurling league final had some hurling clubs playing a round of football championship without there county hurlers.
Most weaker counties managers are more worried about the first round of the all Ireland championship than later in the year. As well you have an issue with younger players going on J1's to the US and not back to August. But I agree clubs in counties have to demand change. They have to look for county championship being run a round Robin system.

Bonniedog · 29-04-2019 11:49pm

I left out Limerick but obviously they are a county that performs well in All Ireland championship, and manages to run a good county series. Same with Kilkenny.

Round robin is fairer in that it gives teams more of a chance by avoiding going out on one defeat, but was referred to several times yesterday that really the Kildare games are not going to count for much come August. Same is true of Kerry SFC. But better to be having games now, than none at all.

There have been some "shocks" in some counties, including Dublin, but those teams know they will be able to field stronger in a few months and qualify for the business end.

Bass Reeves · 30-04-2019 10:22am

Because of the way the Kerry County championship is run on a district basis Stacks may yet qualify to represent the County into the All Ireland series. If a district team wins the county championship Stacks represent Kerry. With Crokes starting to decline IMO it may well see Stacks go out into the All Ireland series.

threeball · 08-05-2019 9:17pm

The Handpass point just has to go. Just watched the highlights of mayo new York and mayo handpassed at least 10 points. It looks like crap, takes next to no skill and offer defenders almost no chance. It's no wonder defences have retreated so deep when you can literally Handpass the entire pitch length for a score.

Blinky Plebum · 31-05-2019 11:12pm

I rarely missed an Offaly football match from the mid nineties up until around 5 years ago.

I haven't been to a match in the last 5 years and don't think I'll bother going back anytime soon and the only football I’ll attend in the near future will be going to watch my club.

Truth is the game has gone to the dogs in recent years and the style of play and terrible competition structure is holding the game back massively. I now barely watch games on TV these days as most of them just end up disappointing me.

We need to finally come up with a proper competition structure and have the league being the main competition with playoffs at the end of the season.
One competition and a steady stream of games is a better way of selling the game to fans. Imagine watching a TV series which has one episode every three weeks and you can’t be sure how many episodes will be in the series, it would drive you mad but that is exactly what the GAA’s competition is like. A consistent stream of matches is how to get people interested and engaged in the GAA.

Also the GAA continue to make minor tweaks to footballs rules while ignoring the issue that everyone knows is killing the game which is the blanket defence, you don’t get rid of a weed by clipping the leaves you pull the roots up out of the ground. The blanket defence is what is causing football to decline and yet they just don’t do the sensible thing and simply make the tactic illegal by insisting on a certain number of players having to be in the attacking part of the field at all times, other sports have rules like this and they work fine so why the hell can’t the GAA .

There are bigger issues than Dublin dominance which although it is an issue when Dublin go away in a few years time and revert back to just being very good rather than unbelievably brilliant there will still be the issues I have stated above that will hold the game back.

Beechwoodspark · 10-06-2019 7:18pm

Ewan mckenna In his piece today suggests that Dublin will have to be split into 4.

“Yesterday an unexpected 36,000 showed up for a Leinster semi-final double header, meaning the place barely broke even. At the end of the last decade when Kildare and Dublin ran into each other, there were 74,572 in attendance in what the Irish Times suggested was "a slightly disappointing" crowd. That's the scale of this freefall.”

Well worth a read.

Beechwoodspark · 10-06-2019 8:30pm

The main thing is the huge huge advantages Dublin have over the rest of the country. Financial being the main one and also of course sheer numbers.

Ludicrously unfair.

I’d go so far to say Dublin have “doped” their way to success. I don’t mean by using banned substances but by financial means.

The phrase “throw your medals in the bin because you got them from cheating” sums it up well.

Jim G, The dubs team and fans know this but it’s taboo to admit it openly.

A good number admit as much when it is raised especially after the latest empty “win” and a few pints are had.

It will continue to ruin it until substantial reforms are implemented.

Farawayhome · 10-06-2019 8:37pm

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

The main thing is the huge huge advantages Dublin have over the rest of the country. Financial being the main one and also of course sheer numbers.

I’d go so far to say Dublin have “doped” their way to success. I don’t mean by using banned substances but by financial means.

The phrase “throw your medals in the bin because you got them from cheating” sums it up well.

The dubs team and fans know this but it’s taboo to admit it openly.

A good number admit as much when it is raised especially after the latest empty “win” and a few pints are had.

It will continue to ruin it until substantial reforms are implemented.

Just have a look at their accounts: http://www.stsylvesters.ie/files/dublin-county-board-accounts-2016/view

Why is the county that has won 6 out of the last 8 All Ireland's receiving such funding far out of proportion to everyone else? Surely it's the teams who are struggling that should be getting the help?

Beechwoodspark · 10-06-2019 8:45pm

Farawayhome wrote: »

Just have a look at their accounts: http://www.stsylvesters.ie/files/dublin-county-board-accounts-2016/view

Why is the county that has won 6 out of the last 8 All Ireland's receiving such funding far out of proportion to everyone else? Surely it's the teams who are struggling that should be getting the help?

Please Tell me that’s a joke admittedly in bad taste?

Farawayhome · 10-06-2019 8:52pm

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

Please Tell me that’s a joke admittedly in bad taste?

I believe they're official accounts. The only one that is freely available. Some of the figures are staggering.

rebel girl 15 · 10-06-2019 8:55pm

Farawayhome wrote: »

Just have a look at their accounts: http://www.stsylvesters.ie/files/dublin-county-board-accounts-2016/view

Why is the county that has won 6 out of the last 8 All Ireland's receiving such funding far out of proportion to everyone else? Surely it's the teams who are struggling that should be getting the help?

Biggest county by numbers, therefore biggest jersey sale by numbers, therefore biggest amount paid by a sponsor.

31,750 Central Council Grant and 40,000 Leinster council grant - huge

Its basic geography - why are the USA leaders in so many sports? They have so many people to pick from. Dublin GAA like KK many years ago started investing in proper coaching structures in every club, and every age group. It took Cork 10 years to start their's, Kerry started their's a little sooner and so did many other counties.

20% year on year growth in the numbers playing in their nurseries tells its own story

Farawayhome · 10-06-2019 9:01pm

rebel girl 15 wrote: »

Biggest county by numbers, therefore biggest jersey sale by numbers, therefore biggest amount paid by a sponsor.

31,750 Central Council Grant and 40,000 Leinster council grant - huge

Its basic geography - why are the USA leaders in so many sports? They have so many people to pick from. Dublin GAA like KK many years ago started investing in proper coaching structures in every club, and every age group. It took Cork 10 years to start their's, Kerry started their's a little sooner and so did many other counties.

20% year on year growth in the numbers playing in their nurseries tells its own story

But it wasn't Dublin GAA that invested in the coaching structures, was it? Dublin have the biggest population but the funding they received was way out of proportion. I'm sure Cork, Kerry and everyone else would have invested sooner if they were given way over 1 million euros every year.
Also, the increase in sponsorship and jersey sales cooincided with the new found success which came off the back of the proper coaching structures which came off the back of the increase in funding.

rebel girl 15 · 10-06-2019 9:45pm

Farawayhome wrote: »

But it wasn't Dublin GAA that invested in the coaching structures, was it? Dublin have the biggest population but the funding they received was way out of proportion. I'm sure Cork, Kerry and everyone else would have invested sooner if they were given way over 1 million euros every year.
Also, the increase in sponsorship and jersey sales cooincided with the new found success which came off the back of the proper coaching structures which came off the back of the increase in funding.

What was started in Dublin so many years ago was a pilot programme - the whole thing started in the schools, that was the only way it was would be funded through the Dept of Finance - how many other counties have approached the Dept of Finance for that sort of funding - probably can't now as back then GAA HQ had no interest in that sort of thing, only funding the rebuild of Croker, then decided to jump on the band wagon.

It's now up to other counties to get up to that level - pretty sure Mayo are like half way down that games development list, haven't done too badly in recent years

nice_guy80 · 10-06-2019 9:54pm

rebel girl 15 wrote: »

What was started in Dublin so many years ago was a pilot programme - the whole thing started in the schools, that was the only way it was would be funded through the Dept of Finance - how many other counties have approached the Dept of Finance for that sort of funding - probably can't now as back then GAA HQ had no interest in that sort of thing, only funding the rebuild of Croker, then decided to jump on the band wagon.

It's now up to other counties to get up to that level - pretty sure Mayo are like half way down that games development list, haven't done too badly in recent years

Yes, as if no other county has asked for money! Or put a coaching plan together.

Counties like Roscommon have had coaches going into schools for over 20 years.

Other counties in Leinster have looked for money but have been rebuffed.
Imagine there is no gaa urban development officer funded outside of Dublin. Considering all the large towns and cities, that is kind of startling

rebel girl 15 · 10-06-2019 10:00pm

nice_guy80 wrote: »

Yes, as if no other county has asked for money! Or put a coaching plan together.

Counties like Roscommon have had coaches going into schools for over 20 years.

Other counties in Leinster have looked for money but have been rebuffed.
Imagine there is no gaa urban development officer funded outside of Dublin. Considering all the large towns and cities, that is kind of startling

Plenty of GAA development officers that are funded outside of Dublin. I know the Cork structure wasn't put in for ages!

I'd like to see your evidence of that claim other counties in Leinster have looked for the money and were rebuffed - sure when Bertie put the thing in place he said exactly the same thing about Kerry - doing it in the schools. Dublin have just done it better.

Gael85 · 10-06-2019 10:03pm

nice_guy80 wrote: »

Yes, as if no other county has asked for money! Or put a coaching plan together.

Counties like Roscommon have had coaches going into schools for over 20 years.

Other counties in Leinster have looked for money but have been rebuffed.
Imagine there is no gaa urban development officer funded outside of Dublin. Considering all the large towns and cities, that is kind of startling

Have you a link for this? John Costello said the only county to approach Dublin about their coaching model was Limerick.

nice_guy80 · 10-06-2019 10:12pm

Gael85 wrote: »

Have you a link for this? John Costello said the only county to approach Dublin about their coaching model was Limerick.

Plenty of county committees have looked for funding from Leinster GAA and GAA HQ
They did up their own coaching plans but were told there was no money

nice_guy80 · 10-06-2019 10:16pm

rebel girl 15 wrote: »

Plenty of GAA development officers that are funded outside of Dublin. I know the Cork structure wasn't put in for ages!

I'd like to see your evidence of that claim other counties in Leinster have looked for the money and were rebuffed - sure when Bertie put the thing in place he said exactly the same thing about Kerry - doing it in the schools. Dublin have just done it better.

No.
Dublin got matching funding for every full time coach attached to a club.
It's a completely different model of development.
Coach is attached to a club, they do regular visits to schools, recruit kid's for clubs, helps run nursery and coaching in the club.

The coaches in every other county delivering any coaching done in schools do so on a part time or voluntary basis.

Fann Linn · 10-06-2019 10:17pm

nice_guy80 wrote: »

Plenty of county committees have looked for funding from Leinster GAA and GAA HQ
They did up their own coaching plans but were told there was no money

Any links?

Gael85 · 10-06-2019 10:33pm

nice_guy80 wrote: »

Plenty of county committees have looked for funding from Leinster GAA and GAA HQ
They did up their own coaching plans but were told there was no money

Surely you must have a link to this so??

Fann Linn · 10-06-2019 10:37pm

Gael85 wrote: »

Surely you must have a link to this so??

The missing link.

Farawayhome · 10-06-2019 11:21pm

rebel girl 15 wrote: »

What was started in Dublin so many years ago was a pilot programme - the whole thing started in the schools, that was the only way it was would be funded through the Dept of Finance - how many other counties have approached the Dept of Finance for that sort of funding - probably can't now as back then GAA HQ had no interest in that sort of thing, only funding the rebuild of Croker, then decided to jump on the band wagon.

It's now up to other counties to get up to that level - pretty sure Mayo are like half way down that games development list, haven't done too badly in recent years

A pilot programme? :pac: A pilot programme that worked so well but then for some inexplicable reason it wasn't put into place in any other county? Are you for real? That's not a pilot programme. Let's not play silly games here. This funding was not available for any other county then or since. Obviously it only got the go ahead because disgraced former Taoiseach Bertie Ahern was in power. Also it was only backed by the GAA because they saw an opportunity to increase their profits, a successful Dublin meant increased revenue.

Look at the accounts I've linked. It says 2.7 million under their games development section. 2.7 million or thereabouts since 2005 while other counties were getting 50,000 for some years. How are the others meant to catch up? Dublin have won 6 All Ireland's in 8 years yet the money still flows in. In fact, it's increased over the years with their sponsorship boost off the back of the tax payers injection of cash. So this pilot programme which has been ongoing for 14 years now, continues unabated but still only the one county is testing it out. Pilot programme? This has to be the funniest thing yet. :pac: Do you even know what a pilot programme is?

Farawayhome · 10-06-2019 11:32pm

What's this nonsense? You think no other county has gone to Croke Park with a plan and to look for funding? Are you people living in reality at all? This funding was not and is not available for other counties. The clubs paying half for a full time coach is not an option. It's a Dublin only thing. This is not a conspiracy theory, this is not some anti Dublin campaign. The obscene amount of money Dublin have received for 14 years now is real. It has changed them from also rans to unstoppable. This is not up for debate. This is fact. No Dublin supporter will accept this, fine. The rest of us don't have to go along with you lying to yourselves. We can't just let this continue. And by the way, we can't let Kerry, Mayo or anyone else buy success either. All counties need to be brought into line.

Oh and for the link: https://www.the42.ie/cheddar-plunkett-laois-dublin-hurling-2198968-Jul2015/

Don't for one second think he was the only one that had the door slammed in his face when looking for funding either.

Bonniedog · 10-06-2019 11:44pm

your link does not prove anything about Laois looking for funding for coaching. Hard to know what he is talking about to be honest. some business promotion aspect?

Anyway, Laois has paid coaches and has Eddie Brennan who is involved because of his undying love for Laois hurling...…..

Farawayhome · 10-06-2019 11:53pm

Bonniedog wrote: »

your link does not prove anything about Laois looking for funding for coaching. Hard to know what he is talking about to be honest. some business promotion aspect?

Anyway, Laois has paid coaches and has Eddie Brennan who is involved because of his undying love for Laois hurling...…..

"I’ve presented it to enough people at GAA headquarters and everywhere else I can do it.

But for some reason they just close their eyes to this and that is just incredibly disappointing."

Pretty easy to understand, he went everywhere looking for funding, no help was forthcoming, GAA headquarters slammed the door in his face. And as I said, Laois weren't the only county.

Payment of managers needs to be stopped but lets tell it as it is. What some counties pay for managers, Dublin pay for one of their extensive backroom team.

rebel girl 15 · 11-06-2019 8:27am

nice_guy80 wrote: »

No.
Dublin got matching funding for every full time coach attached to a club.
It's a completely different model of development.
Coach is attached to a club, they do regular visits to schools, recruit kid's for clubs, helps run nursery and coaching in the club.

The coaches in every other county delivering any coaching done in schools do so on a part time or voluntary basis.

Yeah they did but it wasn’t from the GAA and it wasn’t necessarily attached to a club either - it was the Department of Finance as that was the only way they would get the funding if it was done through the schools. It was done as a pilot scheme and then the GAA took over the funding of it. Clubs pay part of the salary of that development officer to do that role. There are plenty of coaches who are full time around the country that are paid to go into schools - some of it has to be “part time” as the schools are only in for certain hours but I very much doubt that it is voluntary. That was happening 20 years ago in most counties where coaches got paid to coach in primary schools especially - and it was even stated as a reason for starting the programme in Dublin - there was a quote about what Kerry were doing.

When this was very first being set up, Dublin with the biggest population had a very poor number of players for the number of people living in the area - the GAA were publicly worried about the drop off of playing numbers in the capital but privately about the bottom line - more player, more membership equals more money for them

blanch152 · 11-06-2019 1:33pm

nice_guy80 wrote: »

Plenty of county committees have looked for funding from Leinster GAA and GAA HQ
They did up their own coaching plans but were told there was no money

Coaching plans? Or back of the envelope scribbles?

Have you any links to these coaching plans, and to their rejection.

Pogue eile · 11-06-2019 2:23pm

blanch152 wrote: »

Coaching plans? Or back of the envelope scribbles?

Have you any links to these coaching plans, and to their rejection.

How in the name of god would he have a link to a detailed development plan even if such thing did exist? Do you honestly think that a County Board would make such a plan public??

Another feckin thread ruined by Dublin v the rest crap :rolleyes:

salmocab · 11-06-2019 2:27pm

Pogue eile wrote: »

How in the name of god would he have a link to a detailed development plan even if such thing did exist? Do you honestly think that a County Board would make such a plan public??

Another feckin thread ruined by Dublin v the rest crap :rolleyes:

In fairness this thread is for the Dublin v the rest crap. Keeps it all in one place.

Pogue eile · 11-06-2019 3:05pm

salmocab wrote: »

In fairness this thread is for the Dublin v the rest crap. Keeps it all in one place.

Yeah, my bad. I hadnt actually read the opening post of the thread and assumed it was a thread for all chages in GAA be they huring or fotball, structures, rules, calender etc and just assumed it had been derailed like most others. But as you correctly point to the OP annoints this thread as the place for all that shi*e talk about Dublin V The Rest.

Farawayhome · 11-06-2019 3:39pm

Pogue eile wrote: »

How in the name of god would he have a link to a detailed development plan even if such thing did exist? Do you honestly think that a County Board would make such a plan public??

Another feckin thread ruined by Dublin v the rest crap :rolleyes:

Of course it wouldn't be made public. Clutching at straws comes to mind.

By the way, anyone know whether this pilot scheme has been successful or not? 14 years now, how long more till they make a decision on it?

blanch152 · 11-06-2019 6:07pm

Pogue eile wrote: »

How in the name of god would he have a link to a detailed development plan even if such thing did exist? Do you honestly think that a County Board would make such a plan public??

Another feckin thread ruined by Dublin v the rest crap :rolleyes:

I am not the one making outlandish claims that properly costed, formulated and developed coaching plans to improve participation at junior level have been rejected by the GAA for lack of money.

I am just asking for some evidence, other than hearsay.

Farawayhome · 11-06-2019 7:44pm

blanch152 wrote: »

I am not the one making outlandish claims that properly costed, formulated and developed coaching plans to improve participation at junior level have been rejected by the GAA for lack of money.

I am just asking for some evidence, other than hearsay.

You were already shown one. Plenty others tried too. Dublin were the GAA's special project though. And their huge investment paid off but only short term. Massive crowds followed the increased success off the back of the investment by taxpayers and GAA members. If you give huge resources to one county with the biggest population, then, of course, they're going to push ahead. Now though, the crowds are dwindling, they still have to finance their structures but they are not getting a return.
It's their own fault really. As I said, short term thinking. Now they're desperately trying things like the super 8's and forming an elite championship to make up the shortfall. Basically, they had a great product on their hands, a highly competitive championship where many teams were winning provincial and All Ireland's. They completely destroyed this. Unfortunately it will be hard to see a recovery.

Beechwoodspark · 12-06-2019 8:37am

Farawayhome has put it very well

The general public can see this scam for what it is a mile away.

If this carries on (no reason to see any change), crowds will dwindle to a trickle and even the dubs fans won’t show up in numbers. Also general interest will fade even lower than it is.

Well done GAA!

My solution is split Dublin into 2 for a trial period

Reduce their funding to the average received by all other counties. No special sugar daddy deals for Dublin any longer.

Stop any back handers If found to be in operation.

The financial doping scandal that Dublin has been engaged in has sickened and disgusted the genuine GAA supporter.

The dubs themselves admit as much after a few pints “celebrating” the latest empty victory.

Jaden · 12-06-2019 10:07am

So GDF will remain unchanged (Nothing has changed here), while increasing spend (now 2 sets of everything, including stadia), ie giving Dublin more money.

What I think you mean to propose is "Split the Dublin Senior Football Team Resources in two, because I want that".

I'm sure you can find someone, somewhere to take this proposal seriously, but alas, probably not here.

Farawayhome · 12-06-2019 10:27am

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

Farawayhome has put it very well

The general public can see this scam for what it is a mile away.

If this carries on (no reason to see any change), crowds will dwindle to a trickle and even the dubs fans won’t show up in numbers. Also general interest will fade even lower than it is.

Well done GAA!

My solution is split Dublin into 2 for a trial period

Reduce their funding to the average received by all other counties. No special sugar daddy deals for Dublin any longer.

Stop any back handers If found to be in operation.

The financial doping scandal that Dublin has been engaged in has sickened and disgusted the genuine GAA supporter.

The dubs themselves admit as much after a few pints “celebrating” the latest empty victory.

I think the proposals to kick counties out of the real championship has really woken people up to this. They are being punished for not having the resources to compete with the big guns. Of course, the GAA should be assisting these counties, providing them with resources. What have they done instead? Given the county with the biggest population and best facilities a huge lump of cash for the past 14 years. It's absolute madness.
This money has transformed elite player development in Dublin. With their numbers, the amount of talent coming through is enough for 4 counties (more on that shortly). Then of course, when these players enter the senior set up, they again have unlimited resources to fund an incredible backroom team, full of professional coaches, nutritionists, lifestyle coaches etc.
What needs to be done? Obviously, the 'weaker' counties need to band together to fight this. County boards are in an awkward position because standing up to Croke Park could see them punished. But it has to be done. Soon Dublin and other counties who have the money will breakaway and leave the rest of us to rot. If we don't act soon it'll all be over. It's time we stood up for ourselves. Split Dublin into 4, divide up resources fairly, have sponsorship centrally controlled, get our games back in line with the very ethos it was set up for.

salmocab · 12-06-2019 10:35am

Split Dublin in 4, that way only Dubs are not allowed represent their county.
It will have the knock on effect of giving the other top teams better chances of winning the AI and leave the weaker counties as weaker counties. This I declare to be a well thought out plan.

Farawayhome · 12-06-2019 11:04am

salmocab wrote: »

Split Dublin in 4, that way only Dubs are not allowed represent their county.
It will have the knock on effect of giving the other top teams better chances of winning the AI and leave the weaker counties as weaker counties. This I declare to be a well thought out plan.

Dublin is already split into 4. It's set up perfectly for this. It might take a little bit of adjustment but the 4 areas will be well supported and more players have opportunity to represent their area. Nothing but positives for Dublin and everywhere else. The whole reason for the injection of cash was to increase playing numbers, wasn't it?
Other counties like Kerry and Mayo have attempted to tap into various markets to increase their spending power. They have done this in an effort to catch Dublin. This also needs to be looked at. We need a fair system. You can call it financial fair play if you like. Each county should get funding appropriate to them. No county should be out of line.
I don't see how anyone can disagree with this? How can some counties receiving far more resources be justified?

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