Parliamentary Questions

BryanL · 27-04-2019 8:05pm

New Zealand acted after the horse bolted and we're told it's Statesmanship.

If they'd had Irish regulations in place he wouldn't have had legal access to the guns and magazines he used.

Not to mind the "I don't like the look o that guidelines"

We can gauge the effect of our Irish regulations by reflecting on the fact the the drug cartels waging war in Dublin have no access to these illegal weapons. Oh wait.....

meathstevie · 28-04-2019 12:42am

Cass wrote: »

Be surprised so.

Only took him a little under a week, and only after pressure to do so.

For the New Zealand shootings he was on a Mic within 12 hours.

So as i said above equal condemnation or don't bother with your virtue signalling.

In fairness to the government including Mr Varadkar the President had by then long conveyed his condolences on behalf of himself and the Irish nation.

Let's not forget that the issue of the subversive fundraising campaign by digger and ATM and the first murder of an uninvolved bystander by home grown terrorists since the Omagh bombing would have been the prime issues on his agenda.

Cass · 28-04-2019 1:13am

meathstevie wrote: »

In fairness to the government including Mr Varadkar the President had by then long conveyed his condolences on behalf of himself and the Irish nation.

But our unelected leader had personally conveyed his condolences for the Christ church massacre within 12 hours. It took six days for him to do the same for the murder of over 250 Christians, and double that injured.

Let's not forget that the issue of the subversive fundraising campaign by digger and ATM

How many were murdered based on ideology or religious grounds during the course of those robberies? My point is something is always happening and events can move fast, i understand, but it doesn't take long to hold a 5 minute press conference, broadcast a message of condolences or just send out a fecking tweet.

and the first murder of an uninvolved bystander by home grown terrorists since the Omagh bombing would have been the prime issues on his agenda.

A heinous crime undoubtedly, and without making light of it, it occurred three days before the bombings. He, Varadkar, found a microphone really fast when it came to the new zealand massacre.

I'm not saying everyone should start crying and blubbering into a microphone at the drop of a hat, but with all the talk about Islamaphobia i'm noticing a pattern of Islamaphilia.

Sadiq Khan ordered increased patrols and armed police in London after the New Zealand shooting.
Gardaí were present in Dublin mosques as a show of support and protection after the New Zealand shootings.
It was in the news for nearly 5 days.

No patrols for Christian churches after the Sri Lanka bombings. Media coverage for about a day, perhaps two on some channels. A few nods of condolence from some TDs, MPs, and other politicians, but they were watered down in their words and late in coming as with the case of Varadkar.

Sadiq Khan never used the word terrorism nor Christians when talking about the bombings. Hilary Clinton and Barry Obama never used the word Christian either. Varadkar had to "bow to pressure" according to the papers and issue a statement on the attacks.

Its not a competition and it shouldn't be, thats not what i'm calling for. As i said above all acts of terrorism should be met with the same level of contempt and repugnance. However it's not. I'm not foolish or ignorant enough to believe that it's because they don't care, but with virtue signalling being what it is, and the rise in Islamaphilia it seems people are much quicker to be seen to be apologetic when it comes to condoning acts against Muslims than any other faith or religion.

No loss of life is acceptable and again it's not a competition, but for the love of God nearly 800 people killed and injured in 7 separate bombings and it gets a "something happened, to some people" response.

meathstevie · 29-04-2019 12:31am

Cass wrote: »

But our unelected leader had personally conveyed his condolences for the Christ church massacre within 12 hours. It took six days for him to do the same for the murder of over 250 Christians, and double that injured.

How many were murdered based on ideology or religious grounds during the course of those robberies? My point is something is always happening and events can move fast, i understand, but it doesn't take long to hold a 5 minute press conference, broadcast a message of condolences or just send out a fecking tweet.

A heinous crime undoubtedly, and without making light of it, it occurred three days before the bombings. He, Varadkar, found a microphone really fast when it came to the new zealand massacre.

I'm not saying everyone should start crying and blubbering into a microphone at the drop of a hat, but with all the talk about Islamaphobia i'm noticing a pattern of Islamaphilia.

Sadiq Khan ordered increased patrols and armed police in London after the New Zealand shooting.
Gardaí were present in Dublin mosques as a show of support and protection after the New Zealand shootings.
It was in the news for nearly 5 days.

No patrols for Christian churches after the Sri Lanka bombings. Media coverage for about a day, perhaps two on some channels. A few nods of condolence from some TDs, MPs, and other politicians, but they were watered down in their words and late in coming as with the case of Varadkar.

Sadiq Khan never used the word terrorism nor Christians when talking about the bombings. Hilary Clinton and Barry Obama never used the word Christian either. Varadkar had to "bow to pressure" according to the papers and issue a statement on the attacks.

Its not a competition and it shouldn't be, thats not what i'm calling for. As i said above all acts of terrorism should be met with the same level of contempt and repugnance. However it's not. I'm not foolish or ignorant enough to believe that it's because they don't care, but with virtue signalling being what it is, and the rise in Islamaphilia it seems people are much quicker to be seen to be apologetic when it comes to condoning acts against Muslims than any other faith or religion.

No loss of life is acceptable and again it's not a competition, but for the love of God nearly 800 people killed and injured in 7 separate bombings and it gets a "something happened, to some people" response.

All considered I think there's a fair point in what you're saying Cass. It doesn't matter who the terrorists are.

As leaders of democracies our political leaders should act with absolute intolerance and use all lawful means, including forceful means, in fighting terrorist barbarism at every opportunity.

Through the course of history people have turned to justifiable and necessary armed insurrection but deliberately shooting or blowing up a bunch of defenceless civilians is about as far removed from that as you possibly could be.

Grizzly 45 · 29-04-2019 1:54am

meathstevie wrote: »

but deliberately shooting or blowing up a bunch of defenceless civilians is about as far removed from that as you possibly could be.

"The objective of terrorism is to terrorise!" VI Lenin
It's a ****e theory,you terrorise the victim pouplation into them accepting your demands by them demanding that their govt sceede to your demands.Well,maybe not,considering how quick NZ gave into the demand of gun confiscation by that Eco Fascist.

Sparks · 12-05-2019 2:03pm

Wednesday, 8 May 2019

Donnchadh Laoghaire (Cork South Central, Sinn Fein)
445. To ask the Tiste and Minister for Justice and Equality the number of times firearms certificates have been granted to personnel from other jurisdictions; the personnel granted certificates and the circumstances in which they were granted. [18543/19]

Charles Flanagan (Laois, Fine Gael)

Firstly, I assume the Deputy is primarily referring to official foreign security personnel who accompany certain persons, such as visiting dignitaries and others, when travelling to this State. The general legal position is that under Section 2(2)(b) of the Firearms (Firearms Certificate for Non-Residents) Act 2000, the Minister for Justice and Equality has a power to grant firearms certificates, including to official foreign security personnel, where it is deemed necessary to do so. This is a normal and established feature of international relations between states.

Decisions in relation to the grant of certificates to official foreign security personnel are made following consultation with An Garda Sh. As the House will appreciate, for obvious reasons, it is long standing practice not to comment in detail on matters relating to security in such circumstances.

Firearms certificates were granted in respect of a total of 131 such personnel in 2017 and a total of 134 in 2018.

In addition, a number of firearms certificates were issued to State personnel from other jurisdictions in different circumstances. These included certificates granted for ceremonial purposes; to a veterinary team; and foreign defence personnel who were participating in target shooting competitions or target shooting training courses in the State. Separately, firearms certificates for non-residents who wish to shoot in the State for hunting and sporting purposes are issued by An Garda Sh.

Thursday, 9 May 2019

Bernard Durkan (Kildare North, Fine Gael)
173. To ask the Minister for Culture, Heritage and the Gaeltacht the degree to which conservation measures continue in respect of grouse, pheasant, partridge and woodcock; the degree to which their natural habitat remains protected; and if she will make a statement on the matter. [20304/19]

Josepha Madigan (Dublin Rathdown, Fine Gael)

The conservation of red grouse has been approached with some success on a collaborative basis by hunters, bird conservationists and my Department over a number of years. The principal need is to ensure good habitat for the species and work has been carried out particularly by game club members and grouse enthusiasts on many bog areas, such as Boleybrack Mountain, Glenfarne and Ballydangan. Sustainable grazing regimes in commonage lands is being supported through Commonage Management Plans in the Department of Agriculture, Food and the Marine’s GLAS scheme, which in turn should favour red grouse.

The pheasant is an introduced species and is managed mainly by gun clubs around the country.

The grey partridge was on the verge of extinction but a project continues on lands owned by my Department at Boora in County Offaly to provide good habitat, and associated predator control, in order to protect and enhance the population. This project in turn has supplied birds to projects in Fingal and Co Donegal. The GLAS scheme includes a measure for grey partridge in targeted lands in Boora, Fingal and Co. Donegal. The partridge remains at low population levels however.

Woodcock is a breeding species but numbers are greatly increased by winter migrants. The sale of woodcock was banned some years ago by my Department on foot of recommendations by the hunting associations to assist in their conservation.

Michael Healy-Rae (Kerry, Independent)
176. To ask the Minister for Culture, Heritage and the Gaeltacht if she will address a matter regarding licences for shooting deer (details supplied); and if she will make a statement on the matter. [20187/19]

Josepha Madigan (Dublin Rathdown, Fine Gael)
Applicants can now apply to my Department for deer hunting licences for the next 2019/20 season. While the application form does ask applicants to indicate if they have a recognised certification in deer matters, it is not a mandatory requirement to have such certification in order to apply for a deer hunting licence for the 2019/20 season.

Cass · 12-05-2019 2:21pm

This:

Josepha Madigan (Dublin Rathdown, Fine Gael)While the application form does ask applicants to indicate if they have a recognised certification in deer matters, it is not a mandatory requirement to have such certification in order to apply for a deer hunting licence for the 2019/20 season.

We have been saying for the last few years that no course is mandatory and although one is being introduced, according to the Minister, i still have one large question (actually it's multifaceted).

Who runs these approved courses?

The follow up is obviously:

How does an organisation/association have their course recognised?
Who will be the adjudicators of these courses and the people running it?
What qualifications will these adjudicators have to grant them the ability to grant authorisation to the various courses?
What form will it take?
Is there a fee, like the authorised range fee, going to be attached to such certification?
What oversight will be applied to courses?
Will certificates of official recognition be granted to the courses/bodies running them?
Will such certification have liability issues?
Will it be competency or proficiency being tested or both?
Will courses "disappear" as their ability to host the shooting aspect reduce/disappear?

There could be more to consider.

Sparks · 15-06-2019 11:10pm

Tuesday, 11 June 2019

Michael Healy-Rae (Kerry, Independent)
1009. To ask the Minister for Culture, Heritage and the Gaeltacht if a derogation will be sought for a proposal (details supplied); and if she will make a statement on the matter. [23620/19]

Michael Healy-Rae (Kerry, Independent)
1010. To ask the Minister for Culture, Heritage and the Gaeltacht the detail of the new restrictions on the use of lead in firearms (details supplied); and if she will make a statement on the matter. [23529/19]

Josepha Madigan (Dublin Rathdown, Fine Gael)
I propose to take Questions Nos. 1009 and 1010 together.

The Agreement on the Conservation of African-Eurasian Migratory Waterbirds (AEWA) was developed under the UN Convention on Migratory Species. Ireland signed up to the Agreement in 2003. The agreement includes a commitment that “Parties shall endeavour to phase out the use of lead shot for hunting in wetlands as soon as possible in accordance with self-imposed and published timetables.”

The European Commission have published a draft Regulation for consideration by Member States on the use of lead shot in wetlands following a report on the matter by the European Chemicals Agency (ECHA). My Department’s position is to support the AEWA commitment to phase out the use of lead shot over wetlands. The draft Commission Regulation, if accepted by Member States, would appear reasonable in the circumstances as it is in line with the AEWA commitment. It is also my understanding that the draft Regulation will provide for a reasonable lead-in time to allow hunters to make the necessary arrangements to source alternatives to lead shot.

My Department had already had discussions with a major hunting body on the draft Regulation and will be engaging with other interested parties on the matter.

Wednesday, 12 June 2019

MicheMartin (Leader of the Opposition; Cork South Central, Fianna Fail)
145. To ask the Tiste and Minister for Justice and Equality if his attention has been drawn to the number of gun silencers sold here; and if he will make a statement on the matter. [24542/19]

MicheMartin (Leader of the Opposition; Cork South Central, Fianna Fail)
146. To ask the Tiste and Minister for Justice and Equality the licensing requirements for gun silencers; and if he will make a statement on the matter. [24543/19]

David Stanton (Cork East, Fine Gael)

I propose to take Questions Nos. 145 and 146 together.

I wish to advise the Deputy that I have requested a report on the matter from the Garda Commissioner and I will write further to the Deputy once this report has been received.

Nekarsulm · 15-06-2019 11:37pm

What bee has Michel Martin got in his bonnet about suppressors, I wonder?
Has he been watching too much TV, and thinks sport shooters are buying them gor their rifles, and secretly using them on hand guns, either legal or illegal?

oldgit1897 · 16-06-2019 2:19am

"Silencers" :rolleyes:

BattleCorp · 16-06-2019 10:44am

Mehole Martin probably saw the pic of the illegal handgun with a silencer on it that the Gardai recovered about a month ago.

Cass · 16-06-2019 11:57am

Once again a case of what could more legislation do?

Suppressors are regulated and require a license. Anyone caught using one without the authorisation from the Super/Chief Super is immediately guilty of an offense and breaking the law. As criminals with illegally held guns don't obey the laws anyway, inflicting yet more restrictions on legal gun owners is an exercise in futility not to mention asinine.

However that has never stopped them and they're thinking will be two fold:

Ban them so criminals "cannot get them" (cause that worked so well with the guns/suppressors they currently have)
If they're banned, so what

Rosahane · 16-06-2019 2:38pm

BattleCorp wrote: »

Mehole Martin probably saw the pic of the illegal handgun with a silencer on it that the Gardai recovered about a month ago.

If FF get back into government - especially a coalition, we should canvass for Meehaul as Minister for Justice as we could pretty much guarantee no annoying new legislation during his tenure as he has a history of never making a decision

Nekarsulm · 16-06-2019 2:46pm

Perhaps drop him a letter to his Dail office outlining the rigerous procedure currently in place, the benefits to the sports person and the public, and the reality of the current process, whereby certain Supers operate an effective ban on suppressors to new applicants. (illegally)

oldgit1897 · 16-06-2019 3:53pm

I really don't get the attitude towards moderators. Their use should be encouraged. Even during the dark days of the troubles, i had no bother wandering into Cahills of Naas and walking out 5 mins later with a Parker Hale mod for my bunny basher .22.

solarwinds · 16-06-2019 5:52pm

Nekarsulm wrote: »

Perhaps drop him a letter to his Dail office outlining the rigerous procedure currently in place, the benefits to the sports person and the public, and the reality of the current process, whereby certain Supers operate an effective ban on suppressors to new applicants. (illegally)

The man does not care nor has he any interest in being educated on such matters. All he cares about is his 5 minutes, he is being seen to ask questions about a relevant hot topic at the moment because everyone else is.
In time their focus will shift onto the new in thing to be seen to be tackling. Not much talk about the debacle that is the children's hospital recently. They are as easily distracted as a cat with a laser pointer.

BryanL · 16-06-2019 7:18pm

It'd be interesting if there was a single claim made for hearing damage cause by the refusal of a moderator.

Grizzly 45 · 16-06-2019 9:32pm

Maybe we should also ask Flanagan on the following?
[1] How many silencers have been found in criminal possesion that came from legal manufacturers[IE marked ith a trade name and serial nr?] or are homebuilt devices found in criminal possesion or use?

[2] How many silencers have been used in the last 25 years in gangland shootings in Ireland that are homemade or were stolen from civillian shooters in Ireland or came from ligit manufacturers??

Also,I wonder is this Mehole trying to cash in on the coat tails of Prez Trumps love in with Piers Morgan before he came over here where he said in an interview,that he didnt like silencers and would like to see them gone from the US? :eek::eek:
Like WTRF is he thinking??If he wants to lose in 2020 he had better start not peeing off the US gunowners who voted for him.:mad:
What with bumpstock bans,Red flag legislation,and now trying to bring the Lautenberg act back to life,which simply died because it is unworkable...

Conversely his two sons Esp Donald Jnr ,is a great fan of them and endorses their use.So he had better have a word in pop's ear that this is not good policy.:(

whydave · 22-06-2019 11:46am

Nekarsulm wrote: »

What bee has Michel Martin got in his bonnet about suppressors, I wonder?
Has he been watching too much TV, and thinks sport shooters are buying them gor their rifles, and secretly using them on hand guns, either legal or illegal?

Could be this ........
Virginia Beach shooter killed 12 using silencer and high-capacity magazine. Now, lawmakers might look at both.
Link

Grizzly 45 · 22-06-2019 1:09pm

Wonder was it an actual Class 3 registerd and taxed device,or a homebuilt,Wish.com "solvent trap" device? If it was the former,then the Federal backround check of 6 months was an utter fail,if it was the latter,it makes a mockery of having these under legislation same as machine guns.

dc99 · 22-06-2019 9:20pm

Don’t think so. Just typical knee jerk politician. Headline grabbing (if it ever mattered in Ireland) politician crap.....

Sparks · 23-06-2019 9:57pm

Tuesday, 18 June 2019

Brendan Griffin (Kerry, Fine Gael)
683. To ask the Minister for Culture, Heritage and the Gaeltacht her views on a matter (details supplied) regarding EU laws banning lead used in shotgun and rifle cartridges; and if she will make a statement on the matter. [25419/19]

Josepha Madigan (Dublin Rathdown, Fine Gael)
The Agreement on the Conservation of African-Eurasian Migratory Waterbirds (AEWA) was developed under the UN Convention on Migratory Species. Ireland signed up to the Agreement in 2003. The agreement includes a commitment that “Parties shall endeavour to phase out the use of lead shot for hunting in wetlands as soon as possible in accordance with self-imposed and published timetables." My Department’s position is to support the AEWA commitment to phase out the use of lead shot over wetlands.

The European Commission have published an initial draft Regulation for consideration by Member States on the use of lead shot in wetlands following a report on the matter by the European Chemicals Agency (ECHA). It is my understanding that the proposal, should it ultimately progress into law, would make provision for a lead-in time to facilitate the making of arrangements to source alternatives to lead shot.

Wednesday, 19 June 2019

Jim O'Callaghan (Dublin Bay South, Fianna Fail)
156. To ask the Tánaiste and Minister for Justice and Equality the measures in place to monitor the modification of licensed firearms; and if he will make a statement on the matter. [25785/19]

David Stanton (Cork East, Fine Gael)
I wish to advise the Deputy that there are stringent controls under Irish legislation on the issue of firearm certificates by An Garda Síochána and the conditions under which firearms can be held.

An Garda Síochána advise that each application for a firearms certificate is considered on its merits by the issuing officer in An Garda Síochána in accordance with the relevant legislation. I am also advised by An Garda Síochána that in order to record the modification of a firearm, such as a spare barrel, change of calibre, addition of a silencer etc. the firearm holder must make a formal application to the relevant issuing officer in An Garda Síochána. The Superintendent (or Chief Superintendent as the case may be) may then grant the modification. An Garda Síochána further advise that the PULSE system (i.e. An Garda Síochána's IT system) will be updated to reflect any modification and a new firearm certificate will issue to the firearm holder.

All individuals authorised to possess, use or carry any firearm under certificate under the Firearms Acts 1925 to 2009 must at all times act in a responsible manner and fully comply with any conditions attached to the grant of such firearm certificate. It is incumbent on the holder of a firearm certificate to inform his or her local Superintendent (or Chief Superintendent, as the case may be) of any changes in the circumstances surrounding the grant of a firearm certificate or authorisation during the lifetime of the certificate or authorisation. Such changes include any modification of the firearm.

Mississippi. · 23-06-2019 10:16pm

Where is jim o callaghan going with that modification question or would he be getting mixed up hearing about moderators on firearms I wonder ?

Cass · 23-06-2019 10:18pm

European Chemicals Agency (ECHA), the genuises that brought us the ban on certain chemicals which lead to certain types of propellants being banned such as Varget, etc.

As for suitable alternatives what they mean is we'll ban it, and leave it up to whomever to do, well, whatever they want regardless of suitability, cost, effectiveness, etc.

Lead ammo will still be available even in the worst case scenario. However where it can be shot will be greatly reduced. For deer stalkers, etc. most lands should be okay however with 12,600 wetlands

and 45 of them marked as Ramsar sites,

you'll want to be careful.

Then again as there is a serious lack of rangers to police the current laws i wonder how well it'll be policed anyway. Would most likely be another law that goes unenforced due to lack of resources and finances.

Sparks · 28-06-2019 9:36pm

Dail debates
Thursday, 27 June 2019

Firearms and Offensive Weapons (Amendment) Bill 2019: First Stage

1:10 pm
Jim O'Callaghan (Dublin Bay South, Fianna Fail)

I move:

That leave be granted to introduce a Bill entitled an Act to amend the Firearms and Offensive Weapons Act 1990 by increasing the maximum sentence that can be imposed for the possession of a knife to cause injury to, incapacitate or intimidate any person.
I seek leave to introduce legislation entitled the Firearms and Offensive Weapons (Amendment) Bill 2019. The purpose of the legislation is to amend section 9 of the Firearms and Offensive Weapons Act 1990, which deals with the crime of possession of knives. The Acting Chairman will be aware that there have recently been a number of significant criminal events involving the use of knives. Last month a young man was killed with a knife in Dundrum. Earlier this month a man was killed with a knife on O'Connell Street. Two days ago, a woman was killed with a knife in the region of the Liberties in Dublin. Unfortunately the crime statistics that are compiled do not give us specific detail on the number of homicides or assaults committed with a knife, but we do have some statistics that indicate that the use and carrying of knives is increasing. An Garda Sh has been able to provide information to the Minister, which he shared with me in the answer to a parliamentary question. The number of knives seized by An Garda Sh has increased by approximately 66% since 2016. In 2017, 1,600 knives were seized. In 2018, 2,000 were seized. From the recent terrible events and the statistics with which we have been provided, it seems that knives are being carried more frequently. Unfortunately, it also appears to be the case that people are using knives, sometimes with fatal and tragic consequences.

As I have said, the purpose of this legislation is to amend section 9 of the 1990 Act. This section deals with the possession of knives. Section 9(7) deals with the penalties that can be imposed by a court on somebody who is convicted of possession of a knife. The simple purpose of this legislation is to increase the maximum penal sentence that can be imposed upon a person who is found guilty on indictment of possession of a knife from five years to ten years. At present the maximum penalty is five years. Fianna F believes this should be increased to ten years.

We are also fully aware that legislation cannot be the only response to this issue. The legislation will seek to provide a greater deterrent to those who are contemplating carrying a knife but we need a much broader response, based in society, to the issue. Unfortunately, it appears to be the case that many young men think it is appropriate, acceptable and, sometimes, necessary to carry a knife when going out. The message needs to get across that this is not correct. It is dangerous for them and for others and it can destroy lives, whether the life of a person stabbed with a knife or the life of a person who perpetrates such an act. Many perpetrators do not go out with a knife on the day of the offence with the intention of causing harm. They do so because they unwisely believe that it is necessary for their own defence.

In the neighbouring jurisdiction, and in London in particular, there is a chronic problem with the use of knives and the damage such use causes to younger people in particular. We are fortunate to be nowhere near that level of difficulty in this jurisdiction but we have to be conscious that seizures of knives are increasing and that fatal attacks have been carried out with knives. For that reason, this Oireachtas should try to send out a message by increasing the potential maximum sentence for those convicted. It is for that reason that I seek to introduce this Bill.

Alan Farrell (Dublin Fingal, Fine Gael)
Is the Bill opposed?

SeKyne (Galway West, Fine Gael)
No.

Question put and agreed to.

Alan Farrell (Dublin Fingal, Fine Gael)
Since this is a Private Members' Bill, Second Stage must, under Standing Orders, be taken in Private Members' time.

Jim O'Callaghan (Dublin Bay South, Fianna Fail)
I move: "That the Bill be taken in Private Members' time."

Question put and agreed to.

Cass · 28-06-2019 9:55pm

I agree with tougher sentences. However this:

We are also fully aware that legislation cannot be the only response to this issue.

is the understatement of the decade. It's a fact those already set on breaking the law are not deterred by laws so i doubt a harsher sentence (especially considering the actual time served in most cases is minimal) will do anything but put lip service to the problem.

In the last two days a Glock with some ammo, along with a few hundred cartridges were, both, seized from a car and found in Dublin. Neither were legally held and the law says there are harsh punishments in the form of large fines and 5/7 year prison sentences yet these people still had them.

Tougher laws and sentences only "work" when they are enacted which means proactive policing, increased police numbers, and a review on the judiciary with regard to sentencing.

BattleCorp · 29-06-2019 12:05am

Will they touch guns with that Bill?

Cass · 29-06-2019 12:23am

Nothing really firearm in it, but there is the issue of suppressors (along with NV, crossbows, stun guns, etc) being addressed in the 1990 Act. Watch this space.

BryanL · 29-06-2019 8:49am

So we are toughening up our knife laws in response to stabbings in London?
Seem's legit,

solarwinds · 29-06-2019 10:33am

How am i supposed to butter my bread and cut my steak ?.
How does banning knives or toughening laws stop THUGS stabbing each other, its not as if they check legislation before they head off at night.
Its back to pointy sticks in the future i'd say.

Grizzly 45 · 29-06-2019 11:50am

I've an idea...Lets make murder illegal using anything or any inanimate object....Oh wait!!

oldgit1897 · 29-06-2019 2:10pm

BryanL wrote: »

So we are toughening up our knife laws in response to stabbings in London?
Seem's legit,

The problem in london, and here, is no coppers walking on the beat. I work in the north inner city, i often get off the tram in Stephens green and walk over if its a fine morning. I see plenty of scumbags knocking around, but i cannot honestly remember the last time i see a guard walking around keeping an eye out for trouble.

Cadpat_cowboy · 29-06-2019 2:33pm

oldgit1897 wrote: »

The problem in london, and here, is no coppers walking on the beat. I work in the north inner city, i often get off the tram in Stephens green and walk over if its a fine morning. I see plenty of scumbags knocking around, but i cannot honestly remember the last time i see a guard walking around keeping an eye out for trouble.

Freind of mine is a garda in city centre has only been at it two years, he was saying when I asked that if he isn't called out he will be in doing his paperwork. Then get the next call responds go back to the station and dose paperwork. Not told patrol as then the paper doesn't get sorted out and courts can/won't act.

oldgit1897 · 29-06-2019 10:40pm

Cadpat_cowboy wrote: »

Freind of mine is a garda in city centre has only been at it two years, he was saying when I asked that if he isn't called out he will be in doing his paperwork. Then get the next call responds go back to the station and dose paperwork. Not told patrol as then the paper doesn't get sorted out and courts can/won't act.

Yeah i heard that, hours spent at a desk doing paperwork in triplicate, not really what police are for though really is it ? There must be a better way.

Sparks · 18-09-2019 5:27pm

Friday, 6 September 2019

Michael Healy-Rae (Kerry, Independent)
609. To ask the Tiste and Minister for Justice and Equality if he will address a matter regarding the deactivation of old guns (details supplied); and if he will make a statement on the matter. [35723/19]

Charles Flanagan (Laois, Fine Gael)
Under section 6 of the Firearms and Offensive Weapons Act 1990, as amended, deactivated or defective firearms, not capable of being fired, may be kept on the written authorisation of the local Garda Superintendent.

As the Deputy may be aware, on 8 April 2016, a regulation came into effect and introduced new EU-wide standards for deactivated firearms - the European Commission Implementing Regulation 2015/2403 establishing common guidelines on deactivation standards and techniques for ensuring that deactivated firearms are rendered irreversibly inoperable. It has subsequently been amended by Commission Implementing Regulation 2018/337, which came into effect in 2018.

Accordingly and since April 2016, a two-step process is involved, whereby the firearm is firstly deactivated in accordance with the technical requirements of the revised Regulation, followed by an independent verification of this deactivation by a competent public authority appointed by Member States within each jurisdiction.

The first step may be carried out by any Registered Firearms Dealer in Ireland. Arrangements for appointment of a competent public authority in Ireland are currently being progressed by my Department. Pending appointment of such a competent public authority in Ireland, the deactivation of firearms may be verified by the Competent Authority in any other Member State.

Brendan Griffin (Kerry, Fine Gael)
674. To ask the Tiste and Minister for Justice and Equality his plans to introduce regulations for the storage of ammunition; and if he will make a statement on the matter. [36492/19]

Charles Flanagan (Laois, Fine Gael)
I am pleased to confirm for the Deputy that a number of regulations are already in place in relation to storage of firearms and ammunition in Ireland.

The Firearms (Secure Accommodation) Regulations 2009 (SI No. 307 of 2009) introduced regulations governing the secure storage of firearms in the home. These regulations set out the minimum security standards in relation to the provision of secure accommodation for relevant firearms.

The Firearms (Storage of Firearms and Ammunition by Firearms Dealers) Regulations 2017 (SI No. 646 of 2017) set out minimum standards for the safe and secure storage of firearms and ammunition in the premises of firearms dealers. The different categories of firearms dealers are recognised and the regulations scale the requirements depending on the quantities of ammunition and firearms being stored.

Most recently, the European Communities (Acquisition and Possession of Weapons and Ammunition) Regulations 2019 (SI No. 420 of 2019) came into effect on 1 September 2019. These regulations give effect in national law to EU Directive 2017/953. Among other provisions, requirements are set out in relation to the storage of ammunition for relevant firearms. The regulations provide that when the relevant firearm is not in use, the ammunition for it must be stored in a locked receptacle that is separate from any firearm in which that ammunition is capable of being used. The regulation also provides that when a relevant firearm or ammunition is being transported, the firearm must be concealed from view and stored separately from the ammunition, and that the ammunition must be stored in a locked receptacle.

Cass · 18-09-2019 6:37pm

HAH. Its only been 3.5 years Charlie, no rush.

........since April 2016, a two-step process is involved, whereby the firearm is firstly deactivated in accordance with the technical requirements of the revised Regulation, followed by an independent verification of this deactivation by a competent public authority appointed by Member States within each jurisdiction.

The first step may be carried out by any Registered Firearms Dealer in Ireland. Arrangements for appointment of a competent public authority in Ireland are currently being progressed by my Department. Pending appointment of such a competent public authority in Ireland,

Sparks · 22-09-2019 4:11pm

Thursday, 19 September 2019

Brendan Smith (Cavan-Monaghan, Fianna Fail)
37. To ask the Minister for Culture, Heritage and the Gaeltacht if her attention has been drawn to the concerns of an organisation (details supplied) on a proposed EU-wide ban on lead shot; and if she will make a statement on the matter. [37895/19]

Josepha Madigan (Dublin Rathdown, Fine Gael)
The Agreement on the Conservation of African-Eurasian Migratory Waterbirds (AEWA) was developed under the UN Convention on Migratory Species. Ireland signed up to the Agreement in 2003. The agreement includes a commitment that “Parties shall endeavour to phase out the use of lead shot for hunting in wetlands as soon as possible in accordance with self-imposed and published timetables." This is because there is slow accumulation of lead from shot in wetlands where hunting occurs. The lead is generally harmful in the environment and can also be consumed by wildfowl which often swallow small pieces of hard materials such as gravel and the like, to assist the maceration of vegetable matter in their gizzard. My Department’s position is to support the AEWA commitment to phase out the use of lead shot over wetlands.

The European Commission have published an initial draft Regulation for consideration by Member States on the use of lead shot in wetlands following a report on the matter by the European Chemicals Agency (ECHA). It is my understanding that the proposal, should it ultimately progress into law, would make provision for a lead-in time to facilitate the making of arrangements to source alternatives to lead shot. It is Ireland's understanding the majority of Member States currently have some restrictions on the use of lead shot over wetlands.

The Department is aware that the ban on using lead in gunshot would provide a range of difficulties to transition to new guns/gunshot for many gun owners in Ireland, including farmers and hunters. In those Member States which do have some restrictions, many gun owners would already have guns with non-lead shot ammunition. This would not be the case in Ireland where a considerable number of gun owners would have to make alternative arrangements, in many cases to purchase new guns.

Discussions with the REACH Committee (which is within the remit of the ECHA), are ongoing. Ireland is represented on the Committee by the Health and Safety Authority (HSA), and will be requesting a lead-in time of sufficient length for the implementation of the Regulation.

Grizzly 45 · 23-09-2019 11:19am

IOW BAAA BAAA!!We ll just do as our betters tell us to do and think in Brussels, and as minister without a clue I'll just read a prepared statement to shut you up!

grassroot1 · 23-09-2019 11:43am

Grizzly 45 wrote: »

IOW BAAA BAAA!!We ll just do as our betters tell us to do and think in Brussels, and as minister without a clue I'll just read a prepared statement to shut you up!

It's a total ban though the minister is waffling on about wetlands not a clue what she is spouting

Sparks · 04-10-2019 9:35am

Tuesday, 1 October 2019

John McGuinness (Carlow-Kilkenny, Fianna Fail)
272. To ask the Tiste and Minister for Justice and Equality the consultation that took place between his Department and the stakeholders relative to SI 420/2019; if an organisation (details supplied) was involved in the consultation; if the text used by other EU countries was examined when implementing EU directive 2017/853; if the concerns being expressed by stakeholders will be considered; if the SI will be amended accordingly; and if he will make a statement on the matter. [39585/19]

Charles Flanagan (Laois, Fine Gael)
As Minister for Justice and Equality, I signed the European Communities (Acquisition and Possession of Weapons and Ammunition) Regulations 2019 (SI No. 420 of 2019) into law on 2 August 2019 and circulated to members of the Firearms Consultative Panel and Registered Firearms Dealers. It has also been published on the website of the Department of Justice and Equality, along with a guidance note.

These regulations came into effect on 1 September 2019. They give effect to EU Directive 2017/853/EU which enhances controls on the acquisition and possession of firearms.

As part of this process, all registered firearms dealers were invited to a consultation meeting with Department of Justice and Equality officials in Mullingar in August 2018, at which the new EU Directive was discussed.

It was not possible to organise a further consultation in advance of the making of the Statutory Instrument, between completion of the drafting process end July 2019; and signature by the Minister, beginning of August 2019, due to significant time pressure for completion of the process in the context of infringement proceedings against Ireland on the matter.

I can also say that my officials met recently with representatives of the organisation referred to by the Deputy, to allow them to outline their concerns in relation to the matter. The organisation referred to has also made a submission to the Department, setting out their concerns and alternative suggestions in relation to the matter.

My Department is considering the matters raised and will consult with the Office of the Attorney General where relevant.

John Deasy (Waterford, Fine Gael)
256. To ask the Tiste and Minister for Justice and Equality the number of handguns licensed in the State; and the number of handgun licences issued by Garda district and Garda division in each of the past three years. [39394/19]

Charles Flanagan (Laois, Fine Gael)
The data requested by the Deputy refers is not maintained by the Department of Justice and Equality. I have asked the Garda Commissioner for the information requested and I will write directly to the Deputy when I receive it.

Something of a surprising answer, that.

Sparks · 04-10-2019 9:43am

From the debate on the Firearms and Offensive Weapons (amendment) Bill 2019:

John Lahart (Dublin South West, Fianna Fail)

I join my colleagues in commending Deputy O'Callaghan for bringing this legislation forward. I wish to share with the House some correspondence that I entered into with the Garda Commissioner's office on foot of the Christchurch, New Zealand massacre regarding the use of semi-automatic weapons.

I put down a few questions and got comprehensive replies. I asked initially when legislation was last introduced concerning firearms and, given it has been ten years, it is timely we are looking at these offensive weapons. I again commend my colleague on allowing us the opportunity to do this.

One of the questions I asked was how many semi-automatic centre-fire rifles - that is, larger calibre, military-style rifles - are currently licensed in this jurisdiction and how many semi-automatic rifles in smaller calibres such as .22 are currently licensed. I was told that a new category of firearms certificate, namely, a restricted firearms certificate, was introduced in the legislation in 2009. Of the approximately 53,408 rifles currently licensed in the State as of May this year, only 263 fall into the restricted category. The majority of these 263 restricted rifles are predominantly licensed for the purpose of recreational target practice at authorised shooting ranges, which are very strictly regulated. The point is that these are the types of weapons that were used in the Christchurch attacks in New Zealand. As I said, the majority of these 263 restricted rifles are licensed for the purposes of recreational target practice. However, I am told these firearms are not kept or stored in clubs and the individual owner brings these rifles to the clubs. For the remainder of the time, they are kept in the private possession of the individual owner. This is exactly what happened in Christchurch. They are free to access them at any time, as was the case with the perpetrator of the New Zealand assault. They are military-style, high-capacity, semi-automatic weapons and have no real application in a sporting sense. While it may seem a small figure, there are more than 260 of them in the hands of individuals in Ireland. I believe they should not be just regulated or restricted; they should be banned.

The final question I asked was in regard to whether gun licence holders have to undergo any form of mental health vetting or Garda vetting prior to being licensed and, if so, what is the nature of such vetting. The Minister of State might clarify that point. The general answer I get is that each application for a firearms certificate is considered on its individual merits by an issuing person, so there does not seem to be any great series of loops a person who has one of these has to go through. That ought to be looked at, possibly in the context of this Bill and, if necessary, there should be further restrictions or tightening. It seems to be at the discretion of the issuing person involved. The Minister might take on board some of those suggestions.

The deputy received no answers during the debate.

Full bill here : https://data.oireachtas.ie/ie/oireachtas/bill/2019/50/eng/initiated/b5019d.pdf
It currently only increases the sentence for someone who is caught carrying a knife for the purpose of harming someone.

Cass · 04-10-2019 12:14pm

Sparks wrote: »

Something of a surprising answer, that.

Yeah.

In short "We didn't consult anyone, we rushed it through, we made a cock of it, and now that it's been pointed out to us were going to review it to close any loopholes we left".

Because as God is my Judge, they won't relax or repeal any silly parts of it, just close the screw ups they made.

Cass · 04-10-2019 12:20pm

Sparks wrote: »

John Lahart (Dublin South West, Fianna Fail)

I believe they should not be just regulated or restricted; they should be banned.

Well, there you go. not exactly a shocker that a politician wants guns banned, but with the general election just around the corner we're going to be seeing a lot more of this.

He is so ignorant on firearm matters that he says the last law was over 10 years ago, then goes on to say he was only just informed that there is such a thing as a restricted license. You know, from TEN years ago. So where was his input or objections then?

They have just said we are on the verge of a mass shooting. He can dress it up and take cover under Dail privilege but he has just said we need the guns taken off us. The ignorance, and derogatory tone of that comment (that is as polite as i can phrase that) is astounding..

The problem with him and his ilk is they have access to not only a microphone, but the legislative process.

Grizzly 45 · 04-10-2019 12:24pm

Lahart another FF Baaan Baannn idiot.:mad: However ,methinks instead of fuliminating agains this fool,maybe we should try educating him so he knows better?

Cass · 04-10-2019 12:35pm

Or completely ignore him for the "Fidel" McGrath wannabe that he is.

Think, the Streisand Effect.

Grizzly 45 · 04-10-2019 12:51pm

Cass wrote: »

Yeah.

In short "We didn't consult anyone, we rushed it through, we made a cock of it, and now that it's been pointed out to us were going to review it to close any loopholes we left".

Because as God is my Judge, they won't relax or repeal any silly parts of it, just close the screw ups they made.

"And because if we dont impliment it soonest by Oct 1st our EU overlords will fine us 250 to 500k per day!" Would be proably the main reason.:mad:

Cass · 04-10-2019 1:02pm

Well they had no problem paying the fines for charging VAT on cars and other imported goods from the EU, and even when they changed it to VRT to try avoid the fines they still continue to charge it.

The difference with cars and gun is the revenue from cars is SO MUCH MORE than the fines it's worthwhile. Guns, not so much.

richiedel123 · 04-10-2019 2:37pm

Grizzly 45 wrote: »

"And because if we dont impliment it soonest by Oct 1st our EU overlords will fine us 250 to 500k per day!" Would be proably the main reason.:mad:

Bit of information for you up-to last week only 4 countries signed this directive into law the rest have it sitting in limbo. We rushed it through and made a balls of it and they are sitting back probably trying to work it out in a fully workable way

oldgit1897 · 04-10-2019 3:31pm

Lahart, playing to the gallery. How on earth can anyone vote FF after the gangsterism that they went on with under Ahern and Biffo ? Are the Irish that thick ? Makes me sick.

Sparks · 04-10-2019 4:31pm

Thursday, 3 October 2019

Seán Fleming (Laois, Fianna Fail)
102. To ask the Tánaiste and Minister for Justice and Equality the new regulations that have been introduced in relation to the safeguarding of ammunition in respect of shotguns and the requirement for them to be kept in a locked box in vehicles when they are not on the property of the owner; the consultation and the organisations that were involved in the discussions prior to these rules or regulations being introduced; and if he will make a statement on the matter. [40197/19]

David Stanton (Cork East, Fine Gael)
As the Deputy may be aware, Statutory Instrument 420 of 2019 European Communities (Acquisition and Possession of Weapons and Ammunition) (Amendment) Regulations 2019 gives effect to Directive (EU) 2017/853 in national law.

The main changes introduced relate to:

- marking of firearms;
- new storage requirements for firearms and ammunition;
- prohibition of the acquisition of large capacity magazines; and
- prohibition of certain firearms.

There was some consultation as part of the process of making this SI. All registered firearms dealers were invited to an initial consultation meeting with officials of my Department in Mullingar in August 2018, at which the new EU Directive was discussed. I understand that over 250 invitations were issued to that consultation and that 51 firearms dealers attended.

It may be noted that there was significant time pressure for production of this Statutory Instrument, due to infringement proceedings commenced against Ireland by the European Commission. As such it was unfortunately not possible to organise a further consultation in advance of the making of the Statutory Instrument, between completion of the drafting process in July 2019 and signature of the regulations in August 2019.

I understand that the Statutory Instrument has now been circulated to members of the Firearms Consultative Panel and Registered Firearms Dealers and it has also been published on my Department's website, along with a guidance note.

Finally, I can confirm to the Deputy that my officials recently met with representatives of the National Association of Regional Game Councils (NARGC), to allow them to outline any concerns. I have asked my officials to consider the matters raised and to consult with the Office of the Attorney General, where relevant. The NARGC has also been advised to contact An Garda Síochána for clarification on their guidelines on the Statutory Instrument.

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