Parliamentary Questions

Jerrystevens

following the letter of the law even checking zero is a nono on an unapproved range
perhaps he is trying to start a sensible debate on that very issue or am i being too hopefull/naive

Sparks

Jerrystevens wrote: »

perhaps he is trying to start a sensible debate on that very issue or am i being too hopefull/naive

A sensible debate on firearms legislation in the Dail, by the standards for sensible we'd consider acceptable, would be a bit of an ask really.

Sparks

Feb 4 2014:

Michael Lowry (Tipperary North, Independent)
500. To ask the Minister for Justice and Equality the process for the regulation of shooting ranges here; if the concerns of members of the public are taken into consideration when examining an application for a licence for same; if there is a public consultation; if there is an appeals process; if there is a required distance between the proposed shooting range and homes, farms and schools; and if he will make a statement on the matter. [4970/14]

Alan Shatter (Minister, Department of Justice, Equality and Defence; Dublin South, Fine Gael):

The process by which a target shooting range is authorised for use is a two stage process which involves the Firearms Range Inspector within the Department of Justice and Equality and the Commissioner of An Garda Síochána. The Firearms Range Inspector must first certify that the range complies with the relevant legislation. Statutory Instrument No. 622 of 2011 Firearms (Authorisation of Rifle or Pistol Shooting Ranges) Regulations 2011 was introduced in 2011 following a study of best international practice for target shooting range construction. The instrument specifies the minimum standards for the design, construction and maintenance of target shooting ranges. (It does not apply to either clay pigeon shooting ranges or to hunting).

These regulations require the range owner to demonstrate:

(a) that the facility is built and maintained in accordance with best international practice;

(b) that rules for the management and operation of the range are in place that promote the safety of the general public, spectators and participants in activities taking place at the range;

(c) that shooting is carried out under the direct supervision of appropriately qualified personnel;

(d) that all projectiles discharged on the range come to rest within the confines of the range; and

(e) appropriate records are maintained regarding the running of the facility.

The certification process must be completed before an authorisation for the use of the range may be granted by the Commissioner of An Garda Síochána. Planning permission and related matters are the function of the local authority in whose area a shooting range is located.

badaj0z

Well, there is one TD who does not want a new range in his constituency.

Sparks

Er, chem, are you posting in the wrong thread or something?

Sparks

Feb 11 2014:

Tony McLoughlin (Sligo-North Leitrim, Fine Gael)

458. To ask the Minister for Justice and Equality his plans to introduce a Bill which will consider changes in firearms licensing which may have an impact on gun clubs and their members; if he will consider receiving a broad range of submissions from the aforementioned clubs before the Bill is introduced; and if he will make a statement on the matter. [6692/14]

Pat Deering (Carlow-Kilkenny, Fine Gael)

464. To ask the Minister for Justice and Equality his plans to introduce legislation to ban or restrict some or all handguns which are currently licensed and are unrestricted. [6776/14]

Alan Shatter (Minister, Department of Justice, Equality and Defence; Dublin South, Fine Gael)

I propose to take Questions Nos. 458 and 464 together.

My Department is currently examining key issues relating to firearms licensing in conjunction with An Garda Síochána. I expect to receive recommendations as a result of this process in due course. No decisions will be made in advance of consideration of these recommendations. However, the issue of public safety will be paramount in such consideration.

Opportunities for consultation with relevant stakeholders will be explored when work on the proposals is further advanced.

Sparks

Feb 12 2014:

Michael Healy-Rae (Kerry South, Independent)

143. To ask the Minister for Justice and Equality the position regarding legislation to limit, restrict or remove firearms licences (details supplied); and if he will make a statement on the matter. [7126/14]

Michael Healy-Rae (Kerry South, Independent)

149. To ask the Minister for Justice and Equality his views on correspondence (details supplied) regarding firearms legislation; and if he will make a statement on the matter. [6989/14]

Terence Flanagan (Dublin North East, Independent)

153. To ask the Minister for Justice and Equality the position regarding changes to firearms licensing legislation (details supplied); and if he will make a statement on the matter. [7049/14]

Alan Shatter (Minister, Department of Justice, Equality and Defence; Dublin South, Fine Gael)

I propose to take Questions Nos. 143, 149 and 153 together.

My Department is currently examining key issues relating to firearms licensing in conjunction with An Garda Síochána. I expect to receive recommendations as a result of this process in due course. No decisions will be made in advance of consideration of these recommendations. However, the issue of public safety will be paramount in such consideration.

Opportunities for consultation with relevant stakeholders will be explored when work on the proposals is further advanced.

Sparks

Feb 12 2014:

Terence Flanagan (Dublin North East, Independent)

154. To ask the Minister for Justice and Equality the different types and the numbers of licensed firearms held in the State over the past five years; the cost of the licence fee; the procedure involved in the renewal of each licence; and if he will make a statement on the matter. [7050/14]

Alan Shatter (Minister, Department of Justice, Equality and Defence; Dublin South, Fine Gael)

The information on the different types and number of licensed firearms held in the State is being compiled by An Garda Síochána and I will write to the Deputy when it becomes available.

Firearms Certificates are now issued for a period of three years, unless otherwise revoked, as against a period of one year until August 2009. Each three year firearm certificate costs €80 with the exception of a Firearms Training Certificate which costs €40 for three years.

Approximately three months prior to the expiry of an existing firearm certificate, the holder of the certificate receives a Firearms Renewal Form in the post. The renewal form contains all of the details in relation to the existing certificate and if any changes or updates are required (for example, regarding changes to referees, doctor, or land permissions etc), this information can be updated on the form by the applicant prior to the applicant returning the signed completed form for processing by An Garda Síochána. Under Section 32 of the Criminal Justice Act, 2006, which inserted a new Section 4 into the Firearms Act 1925, an issuing person shall not grant a firearm certificate unless satisfied the applicant complies with a number of conditions referred to in the Section including good reason, that the applicant can possess, use and carry the firearm without danger to the public safety or security or the peace, is not disentitled, has provided secure accommodation for the firearm, referees, medical enquiries etc.

Each application for a firearm certificate requires the issuing person to consider a wide range of factors prior to making a final decision and further information may be required from the applicant in some cases.

Sparks

Feb 18 2014:

Brendan Griffin (Kerry South, Fine Gael)
587. To ask the Minister for Justice and Equality the number of illegal/unlicensed firearms he believes to be in circulation in the country; and if he will make a statement on the matter. [8335/14]

Brendan Griffin (Kerry South, Fine Gael)
588. To ask the Minister for Justice and Equality the number of licensed firearms in the State; and if he will make a statement on the matter. [8336/14]

Brendan Griffin (Kerry South, Fine Gael)
589. To ask the Minister for Justice and Equality the number of licensed firearms that have been stolen or reported missing in the past five years; and if he will make a statement on the matter. [8337/14]

Brendan Griffin (Kerry South, Fine Gael)
590. To ask the Minister for Justice and Equality the number of firearms offences that have been committed using licensed firearms by the licensee in the past five years; and if he will make a statement on the matter. [8338/14]

Brendan Griffin (Kerry South, Fine Gael)
591. To ask the Minister for Justice and Equality the number of murders that have been committed using licensed firearms by the licensee in the past five years; and if he will make a statement on the matter. [8339/14]

Brendan Griffin (Kerry South, Fine Gael)
592. To ask the Minister for Justice and Equality the number of firearms offences that have been committed using unlicensed firearms in the past five years; and if he will make a statement on the matter. [8340/14]

Brendan Griffin (Kerry South, Fine Gael)
593. To ask the Minister for Justice and Equality the number of murders that have been committed using unlicensed firearms in the past five years; and if he will make a statement on the matter. [8341/14]

Alan Shatter (Minister, Department of Justice, Equality and Defence; Dublin South, Fine Gael)
I propose to take Questions Nos. 587 to 593, inclusive, together.
I am informed by the Garda authorities that it is not possible to estimate the number of unlicensed / illegal firearms in circulation in the country. I am further informed that, as of 10 February 2014, the number of firearm certificates in the State is 178,191. I have sought a report from the Garda authorities in relation to the other information sought by the Deputy. I will be in contact with the Deputy when this information is to hand.

Kevin Humphreys (Dublin South East, Labour)
580. To ask the Minister for Justice and Equality if he will provide an explanation for the delay and procedural roadblocks for the renewal of a firearms licence in respect of a person (details supplied) in Dublin 4; if he will endeavour to ensure fair and transparent procedures are put in place; and if he will make a statement on the matter. [8182/14]

Alan Shatter (Minister, Department of Justice, Equality and Defence; Dublin South, Fine Gael)
I have asked the Garda Commissioner for a report in relation to this matter and will write to the Deputy when I have further information.

Mattie McGrath (Tipperary South, Independent)
549. To ask the Minister for Justice and Equality the position regarding the proposals submitted to him by the An Garda Síochána seeking new legislation to ban almost all handguns which are currently licensed, including centre fire and most of those .22 calibres which are on the Garda Commissioner’s list of unrestricted handguns; and the proposals which seek the banning of all pump action and semi-automatic shotguns which are capable of holding more than three rounds and all semi-automatic centre fire rifles. [7554/14]

Mattie McGrath (Tipperary South, Independent)
550. To ask the Minister for Justice and Equality if his attention has been drawn to the fact that if he accedes to the Garda proposals a very large number of firearms which are currently licensed will be banned and licence holders will be required to either sell them in what will then be a non-existent market or have them destroyed as under the Garda proposals there will be no scheme of compensation for the effective confiscation of property and no compensation for licence holders who were required by the State to expend significant amounts of money in enhanced security arrangements at their homes to licence these firearms; and if he will make a statement on the matter. [7555/14]

Brendan Griffin (Kerry South, Fine Gael)
559. To ask the Minister for Justice and Equality his plans regarding gun control and availability; and if he will make a statement on the matter. [7752/14]

Dara Calleary (Mayo, Fianna Fail)
578. To ask the Minister for Justice and Equality if he is considering proposals to ban a number of classes of firearms including handguns and pump action and semi-automatic shotguns; his views on whether such a proposal will lead to a large number of licensed firearms being banned and destroyed or sold by their owners; if he will agree that the market for selling such banned firearms will be restricted in view of the ban; his plans to introduce a scheme of compensation for such licensed owners; his views on whether any new proposal to ban certain firearms will have a detrimental effect on rifle range owners and businesses and on members of the National Association of Regional Game Councils; and if he will make a statement on the matter. [8138/14]

Alan Shatter (Minister, Department of Justice, Equality and Defence; Dublin South, Fine Gael)
I propose to take Questions Nos. 549, 550, 559 and 578 together.
In relation to possible changes to firearms licensing I refer the Deputies to my reply to Questions Nos. 458 and 464 (6692/14 and 6776/14) of 11 February 2014 and to Questions Nos. 143, 149 and 153 (6989/14, 7049/14 and 7126/14) of 12 February 2014. The position is unchanged since then.

Reply to questions 6692/14 and 6776/14 of 11 February 2014 and to questions 6989/14, 7049/14 and 7126/14 of 12 February 2014:

My Department is currently examining key issues relating to firearms licensing in conjunction with An Garda Síochána. I expect to receive recommendations as a result of this process in due course. No decisions will be made in advance of consideration of these recommendations. However, the issue of public safety will be paramount in such consideration.

Opportunities for consultation with relevant stakeholders will be explored when work on the proposals is further advanced.

Sparks

Feb 19 2014:

Clare Daly (Dublin North, Socialist Party)
165. To ask the Minister for Justice and Equality if any changes have taken place regarding the registration of firearms; the rationale for these changes; and if it is the case that An Garda Síochána has been automatically refusing licences. [8555/14]

Alan Shatter (Minister, Department of Justice, Equality and Defence; Dublin South, Fine Gael)

On 1st August 2009, new firearms licensing application processes were introduced with the commencement of the remaining sections relevant to firearms licensing provided for in the Criminal Justice Act 2006 and the Criminal Justice (Miscellaneous Provisions) Act 2009.

Each application for a firearm certificate is judged on its own individual merits, having regard to the conditions set out in the Firearms Act 1925 as amended by the Criminal Justice Act 2006 and the Criminal Justice (Miscellaneous Provisions) Act 2009.

The only exception to an application being considered on an individual basis is with regard to an application to certify a restricted short firearm by an applicant, who did not previously hold a firearm certificate for the firearm on or before 19th November, 2008. A new section 3D of the Firearms Act 1925, as inserted by section 30 of the Criminal Justice (Miscellaneous Provisions) Act 2009, was commenced on 1st August 2009 which now prevents any application being considered by an issuing person to certify a restricted short firearm that was not already licensed to that applicant on or before the 19th November, 2008. These applications are not refusals but rather applications that cannot be considered by an issuing person.

In relation to possible changes to firearms licensing, my Department is currently examining key issues relating to firearms licensing in conjunction with An Garda Síochána. I expect to receive recommendations as a result of this process in due course. No decisions will be made in advance of consideration of these recommendations. However, the issue of public safety will be paramount in such consideration.

Opportunities for consultation with relevant stakeholders will be explored when work on the proposals is further advanced.

Sparks

Feb 20 2014:

Robert Troy (Longford-Westmeath, Fianna Fail)
184. To ask the Minister for Justice and Equality the position regarding the submission made by An Garda Síochána to enforce a ban on shotguns which are capable of holding more than three rounds. [8648/14]

Alan Shatter (Minister, Department of Justice, Equality and Defence; Dublin South, Fine Gael)

In relation to possible changes to firearms licensing I refer the Deputy to my reply to questions 6692/14 and 6776/14 of 11 February 2014, questions 6989/14, 7049/14 and 7126/14 of 12 February, and questions 7552/14, 7554/14, 7555/14 and 8138/14 of 18 February. The position is unchanged since then.

Reply to questions 6692/14 and 6776/14 of 11 February, questions 6989/14, 7049/14 and 7126/14 of 12 February, and questions 7552/14, 7554/14, 7555/14 and 8138/14 of 18 February:

My Department is currently examining key issues relating to firearms licensing in conjunction with An Garda Síochána. I expect to receive recommendations as a result of this process in due course. No decisions will be made in advance of consideration of these recommendations. However, the issue of public safety will be paramount in such consideration.

Opportunities for consultation with relevant stakeholders will be explored when work on the proposals is further advanced.

Sparks

25 February 2014:

Finian McGrath (Dublin North Central, Independent)
551. To ask the Minister for Justice and Equality his views on correspondence (details supplied) regarding firearms; and if he will make a statement on the matter. [9605/14]

Alan Shatter (Minister, Department of Justice, Equality and Defence; Dublin South, Fine Gael)

I have asked the Garda Commissioner for a report in relation to this matter and will write to the Deputy when I have further information.

Charles Flanagan (Laois-Offaly, Fine Gael)
513. To ask the Minister for Justice and Equality to set out his plans to amend current legislation to further control and restrict the use of handguns which are currently licensed, including centre-fire and .22 calibres as well as pump-action and semi-automatic shotguns capable of holding in excess of three rounds; and if he will make a statement on the matter. [8957/14]

Áine Collins (Cork North West, Fine Gael)
521. To ask the Minister for Justice and Equality if An Garda Síochána and his Department are engaged in a joint consideration in respect of firearms licensing matters; if so, the stage the process is at; and the reason he considers that a review is necessary at this stage. [9245/14]

Pádraig MacLochlainn (Donegal North East, Sinn Fein)
563. To ask the Minister for Justice and Equality if he is planning to introduce new legislation on firearms; and if he will make a statement on the matter. [9736/14]

Alan Shatter (Minister, Department of Justice, Equality and Defence; Dublin South, Fine Gael)

I propose to take Questions Nos. 513, 521 and 563 together.
In light of public safety concerns highlighted by the Garda Commissioner and difficulties in the interpretation of the legislation expressed by members of the judiciary, my Department is examining key issues relating to firearms licensing in conjunction with An Garda Síochána. Recommendations are currently being finalised and I expect to receive a report in due course. No decisions will be made in advance of consideration of these recommendations.
Opportunities for consultation with relevant stakeholders will be explored when work on the proposals is further advanced.

Sparks

March 4 2014:

Dara Murphy (Cork North Central, Fine Gael)
305. To ask the Minister for Justice and Equality his plans to alter legislation in relation to gun ownership for hunting and target practice; if he has received any requests to alter such legislation; and if he will make a statement on the matter. [10365/14]

Éamon Ó Cuív (Galway West, Fianna Fail)
324. To ask the Minister for Justice and Equality if new restrictions are being considered in relation to the ownership and use of 30mm calibre rifles, semi-automatic rifles and semi-automatic shotguns; and if he will make a statement on the matter. [10999/14]

Alan Shatter (Minister, Department of Justice, Equality and Defence; Dublin South, Fine Gael)

I propose to take Questions Nos. 305 and 324 together.

In relation to possible changes to firearms licensing I refer the Deputies to my reply to questions 8957/14, 9245/14 and 9736/14 of 25 February 2014. The position is unchanged since then. That reply stated:

Reply to questions 8957/14, 9245/14 & 9736/14 of 25 February 2014:

In light of public safety concerns highlighted by the Garda Commissioner and difficulties in the interpretation of the legislation expressed by members of the judiciary, my Department is examining key issues relating to firearms licensing in conjunction with An Garda Síochána. Recommendations are currently being finalised and I expect to receive a report in due course. No decisions will be made in advance of consideration of these recommendations.

Opportunities for consultation with relevant stakeholders will be explored when work on the proposals is further advanced.

sfakiaman

Éamon Ó Cuív (Galway West, Fianna Fail)
324. To ask the Minister for Justice and Equality if new restrictions are being considered in relation to the ownership and use of 30mm calibre rifles,

Must be some very large bunnies in Galway West.

Dian Cecht

".......................In light of public safety concerns highlighted by the Garda Commissioner...................."

I hope he advises us what these are

".....................and difficulties in the interpretation of the legislation expressed by members of the judiciary..................."

Seems to me the judiciary have no problem interpreting the legislation unless it's because they are nearly always ruling against the Gardaí

It wasn't me!

The judiciary at large have been making the point for years that the body of firearms related law in Ireland is so tangled and complex that it requires a complete and fundamental restatement. This is not news.

Dian Cecht

It wasn't me! wrote: »

The judiciary at large have been making the point for years that the body of firearms related law in Ireland is so tangled and complex that it requires a complete and fundamental restatement. This is not news.

A rewrite would do us no favours I reckon.

It wasn't me!

You're assuming an agenda in the restatement. As it stands, the relevant legislation is spread over a morass of several different acts (from a variety of departments), various SIs and EU directives. It's immensely complex and the various judges who have encountered it through the course of the last ten years of court cases have almost universally commented on what a complete mess it is. It needs to be restated in clear terms. Whether it serves shooters is largely a question of who it's written by and whether someone takes the opportunity to write new law into it. However, there's absolutely nothing to stop them doing that at any given time without restating it, so may as well tidy it up a bit anyway. It will be whatever it will be. Might as well be easy to read.

Slick50

It wasn't me! wrote: »

You're assuming an agenda in the restatement. As it stands, the relevant legislation is spread over a morass of several different acts (from a variety of departments), various SIs and EU directives. It's immensely complex and the various judges who have encountered it through the course of the last ten years of court cases have almost universally commented on what a complete mess it is.

The agenda is being driven by garda frustration at not being able to interpret the law as they seen fit. The judiciary were not having a problem with the legistlation. They had no problem in deciding the gardai were illegally refusing licences. The problem is the gardai want the law changed to allow them to restrict firearms under the pretext of public safety concerns.

The NARGC are requesting all interested parties to make representations to the MOJ, calling on him to not make any changes to the current firearms licensing legislation. Further information can be found on their website 'here'. They also have a templated response on their facebook page.

Sparks

Dian Cecht wrote: »

A rewrite would do us no favours I reckon.

A rewrite and a restatement (what the Law Reform Commission and several High Court Judges have called for since 2004 at least) are two different things. A restatement is the process where you take the original 1925 Act, then apply all the changes in all the acts that modified it from then to now until you get one palimpsest document that shows the current exact law; then you repeal all the existing acts and commence that palimpsest as the new principal act. So now you have one document showing what the law is, in one place. The whole process is governed by the Statute Law (Restatement) Act of 2002, which ensures that you can't change what the actual law is in this process, just write it down in the once place.

A rewrite, on the other hand, oi vay...

friendinAZ

Greetings from Arizona,

I stumbled across your forum tonight and was captivated by the conversation concerning your laws. From my perspective in the U.S. it is unfathomable to believe there would be any politicians in Ireland pushing to further regulate your firearms. It just goes to show there is no satisfying the gun-grabbers. It appears you guys are in a constant struggle as well. These regulations only affect the law-abiding.

Unfortunately, I've never been to Ireland. My parents have and they loved it! It was probably the most fun they ever had on a trip. The reason is you. I love the Irish people. Just reading your forums is a testament to your character.

It really bothers me that such civil people as yourselves are not trusted to own more powerful semiautomatic pistols and rifles. It seems as if you are required to come up with an excuse for wanting a firearm. The truth is we all love guns because they are powerful and we enjoy the feeling of power under control. There is nothing inherently evil about that.

If any of you gun enthusiasts vacation in AZ I'd be honored to take you out for a day of shooting in the desert.

your friend,
Jon

Sparks

6 March 2014:

Michael Healy-Rae (Kerry South, Independent)
190. To ask the Minister for Justice and Equality the position regarding proposals to place further restrictions on firearms; if there will be an independent inquiry and report into the way the licencing system has been administered since the new legislation came in to force and before any new proposals are considered; and if he will make a statement on the matter. [11481/14]

Alan Shatter (Minister, Department of Justice, Equality and Defence; Dublin South, Fine Gael)

As I indicated in my reply to the Deputy's Question Number 143 of the 12th of February 2014, my Department is currently examining key issues relating to firearms licensing in conjunction with An Garda Síochána. The recommendations resulting from this process will be forwarded to me in due course. No decisions will be made in advance of consideration of these recommendations. However, the issue of public safety will be paramount in such consideration.

It is my intention that opportunities for consultation with relevant stakeholders will be explored when work on the proposals is further advanced.

Sparks

11 March 2014:

Michael Lowry (Tipperary North, Independent)
412. To ask the Minister for Justice and Equality in view of recent reports, if he is examining proposals at present to increase the restrictions on handgun ownership; the current status of these proposals; if he will provide an assurance that any new regulations will not impact on game hunters; and if he will make a statement on the matter. [11751/14]

Billy Timmins (Wicklow, Independent)
432. To ask the Minister for Justice and Equality if he has received representations seeking the withdrawal of certain firearms from licensing, and if so, what these proposals are; if he will provide an opportunity to the tourism industry and gun clubs to make a submission on these; and if he will make a statement on the matter. [12145/14]

Alan Shatter (Minister, Department of Justice, Equality and Defence; Dublin South, Fine Gael)

I propose to take Questions Nos. 412 and 432 together.

In relation to possible changes to firearms licensing I refer the Deputies to my reply to questions 8957/14, 9245/14 and 9736/14 of 25 February 2014 and to questions 10365/14 and 10999/14 of 4 March . The position is unchanged since then.

Reply to questions 8957/14, 9245/14 & 9736/14 of 25 February 2014 and questions 10365/14 & 10999/14 of 4 March:

In light of public safety concerns highlighted by the Garda Commissioner and difficulties in the interpretation of the legislation expressed by members of the judiciary, my Department is examining key issues relating to firearms licensing in conjunction with An Garda Síochána. Recommendations are currently being finalised and I expect to receive a report in due course. No decisions will be made in advance of consideration of these recommendations. Opportunities for consultation with relevant stakeholders will be explored when work on the proposals is further advanced.

Dian Cecht

Lowrys' one is interesting. Seems he reckons it's OK to restrict handguns as long as game hunters are not affected

rowa

Dian Cecht wrote: »

Lowrys' one is interesting. Seems he reckons it's OK to restrict handguns as long as game hunters are not affected

Wasn't he one of the people behind the campaign against the devils bit range recently ? He is definately not one of our friends.

Grizzly 45

If he wants the shooters of his constituency to be his "friend" he can buy us a new range up the Devils bit.Just like he buys his votes off every GAA club and team in North Tipp.Need a new pitch,talk to Lowery,Need new kit for the under 12s talk to Lowery. Another Good ol boy parish pump politican.:(

As for these questions,I wonder are they are order of busisnes questions that were put in weeks or months ago and cant be withdrawn under Dail procedure rules??
Intresting that Shatter said something different there

IN light of public safety concerns highlighted by the Garda Commissioner and difficulties in the interpretation of the legislation expressed by members of the judiciary,

WHAT public saftey concerns highlighted by the Comissioner,[who is becoming less creditable by the day]?And unless he wants to revamp the entire firearms law the judicary has no difficulty in interpertating any legislation.
One thing for sure,this entire lisensing sysem should be now removed from the AGS and handled by an independant civillian body.

yubabill1

Grizzly 45 wrote: »

WHAT public saftey concerns highlighted by the Comissioner,[who is becoming less creditable by the day]?And unless he wants to revamp the entire firearms law the judicary has no difficulty in interpertating any legislation.
One thing for sure,this entire lisensing sysem should be now removed from the AGS and handled by an independant civillian body.

It's clear that firearms administration experiences similar problems to penalty points administration, going by what was in the report released last week.

Grizzly 45

We need a whistle blower now on the liscensing system.:P

rowa

Grizzly 45 wrote: »

We need a whistle blower now on the liscensing system.:P

I thought we already had one when the chief super wotzizname stood up in court and admitted form tampering .

tomtucker81

Grizzly 45 wrote: »

WHAT public saftey concerns highlighted by the Comissioner,[who is becoming less creditable by the day]?And unless he wants to revamp the entire firearms law the judicary has no difficulty in interpertating any legislation.
One thing for sure,this entire lisensing sysem should be now removed from the AGS and handled by an independant civillian body.

It appears to me that the legislation needs to be changed as the Judicary are having difficulty understanding it. In that they seem to decide against a Garda decision most times!! That's what they mean by that. It couldn't possibly be that the issuing officers have difficulty understanding it!!