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Rock on, Rockall! (it's back)

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  • #802
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 70,095 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    janfebmar wrote: »
    Do not blame the EU, is is us insisting on the backstop. Heinz from Hanover does not care.

    Here is Jean-Claude from Luxembourg with the not insignificant job of President Of The EU Commission:
    The backstop is an integral part of the Withdrawal Agreement. While we hope the backstop will not need to be used, it is a necessary legal guarantee to protect peace and to ensure there will be no return to a hard border on the island of Ireland, while protecting the integrity of our Single Market and the Customs Union.


  • #803
    Nobelium
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,093 ✭✭✭Nobelium


    Rockhall . . like provo catnip . . .the British own it and it's resources since 1955, the Irish missed the boat.


  • #804
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    Nobelium wrote: »
    the Irish missed the rock.

    Fyp.

    Every castle paddy is forgetting that even if Ireland recognised the UK claim to Rockall it'd be irrelevant while we are both in the EU. :rolleyes:


  • #805
    Atlantic Dawn
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 83,507 ✭✭✭✭Atlantic Dawn
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    Nobelium wrote: »
    Rockhall . . like provo catnip . . .the British own it and it's resources since 1955, the Irish missed the boat.


    They also 'owned' Hong Kong, only 6000 miles from London. In other news slavery has been abolished.


  • #806
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 70,095 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Nobelium wrote: »
    Rockhall . . like provo catnip . . .the British own it and it's resources since 1955, the Irish missed the boat.

    We have been fishing away around it regardless of them and we'll continue to do it.

    Boris has other fish to fry..so to speak.


  • #807
    Nobelium
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,093 ✭✭✭Nobelium


    Atlantic Dawn wrote: »
    They also 'owned' Hong Kong, only 6000 miles from London.

    Nope, they leased Hong Kong, they never owned it. Do a little research lads.


  • #808
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 70,095 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Nobelium wrote: »
    Nope, they leased Hong Kong, they never owned it. Do a little research lads.

    They thought they could bully their way to staying there too...until somebody pulled out a bigger gun...Research lad.


  • #809
    Nobelium
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,093 ✭✭✭Nobelium


    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    They thought they could bully their way to staying there too...until somebody pulled out a bigger gun...Research lad.

    obsessed with gun love and terrorism aren't ye


  • #810
    Atlantic Dawn
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 83,507 ✭✭✭✭Atlantic Dawn
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    Such a trailer trash country where they pillaged and raped the entire earth, bloody disgrace.


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  • #811
    Nobelium
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,093 ✭✭✭Nobelium


    Atlantic Dawn wrote: »
    Such a trailer trash country where the majority of them don't know the history of the country they live in where it basically pillaged and raped the entire earth, bloody disgrace.

    bit hard on the Irish, most of them are not that bad


  • #812
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 70,095 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Nobelium wrote: »
    obsessed with gun love and terrorism aren't ye

    I ain't spending scarce money building aircraft carriers Nobelium.

    The British tried to bully the Chinese over Hong Kong and a legal lease and backed off when the Chinese said they would enforce the lease terms. Fact. The bigger gun won, read Maggie's memoirs.


  • #813
    Atlantic Dawn
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    Nobelium wrote: »
    bit hard on the Irish, most of them are not that bad


    We have never invaded a single territory on the earth.


  • #814
    mattser
    Registered Users Posts: 2,266 ✭✭✭mattser


    Atlantic Dawn wrote: »
    Nobelium wrote: »
    bit hard on the Irish, most of them are not that bad


    We have never invaded a single territory on the earth.

    Mayo invaded the territory of Hill 16 a few years ago. And it worked on the day.


  • #815
    Nobelium
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,093 ✭✭✭Nobelium


    Atlantic Dawn wrote: »
    We have never invaded a single territory on the earth.

    shyte, the Irish soldiers and civil servants were quite happy to pillage foreign lands and administer them for the Brits


  • #816
    Nobelium
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,093 ✭✭✭Nobelium


    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    I ain't spending scarce money building aircraft carriers Nobelium.

    The British tried to bully the Chinese over Hong Kong and a legal lease and backed off when the Chinese said they would enforce the lease terms. Fact. The bigger gun won, read Maggie's memoirs.

    banging on about guns again, but yeah ye had to hand over your weapons to the bigger gun as well


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  • #817
    Atlantic Dawn
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    Nobelium wrote: »
    shyte, the Irish soldiers and civil servants were quite happy to pillage foreign lands and administer them for the Brits


    I suppose besides 'terrorist attacks' trying to retrieve lands seized from us we were in the clear.


  • #818
    Nobelium
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,093 ✭✭✭Nobelium


    Ireland missed out when the UK annexed Rockall under their noses in 1955.
    No point in pissing and moaning about it now.
    You snooze you loose Ireland, including most importantly . . all the mineral and economic rights.


  • #819
    Nobelium
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,093 ✭✭✭Nobelium


    Atlantic Dawn wrote: »
    I suppose besides 'terrorist attacks' trying to retrieve lands seized from us we were in the clear.

    Irish soldiers and civil servants are remembered as some of the most racist goons the Brits had across their empire.


  • #820
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 70,095 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Nobelium wrote: »
    banging on about guns again, but yeah ye had to hand over your weapons to the bigger gun as well

    Eh...nothing was handed over, research dear chap.


  • #821
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 70,095 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Nobelium wrote: »
    Irish soldiers and civil servants are remembered as some of the most racist goons the Brits had across their empire.

    janfebmar will insist that those Irish were working for the Empire...like some Irish still are.


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  • #822
    Atlantic Dawn
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    Nobelium wrote: »
    Irish soldiers and civil servants are remembered as some of the most racist goons the Brits had across their empire.


    What race would have been around in 1916 to reject? I recall no mention in Joe Duffy's buke so to speak?


  • #823
    janfebmar
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,424 ✭✭✭janfebmar


    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    janfebmar will insist that those Irish were working for the Empire...like some Irish still are.

    ?? Dunno what you mean there? I just quoted from the net " is estimated that as many as six million people living in the UK have an Irish-born grandparent (around 10% of the UK population). The 2001 UK Census states that 869,093 people born in Ireland are living in Great Britain".


  • #824
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 70,095 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    janfebmar wrote: »
    ?? Dunno what you mean there? I just quoted from the net " is estimated that as many as six million people living in the UK have an Irish-born grandparent (around 10% of the UK population). The 2001 UK Census states that 869,093 people born in Ireland are living in Great Britain".

    Ireland is in the EU...not the Uk. You can be in the UK if you move.

    *and BTW all of Ireland will remain in the EU...if the UK wish to leave the EU.


  • #825
    janfebmar
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,424 ✭✭✭janfebmar


    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    Eh...nothing was handed over, research dear chap.

    At the end of the day the British kept their weapons, the pira and the paramilitaries had theirs confinscated / put beyond use / handed over to be destroyed.


  • #826
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 70,095 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    janfebmar wrote: »
    At the end of the day the British kept their weapons, the pira and the paramilitaries had theirs confinscated / put beyond use / handed over to be destroyed.

    Yes, the British are still killing to achieve their aims...no argument there.


  • #827
    janfebmar
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,424 ✭✭✭janfebmar


    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    Ireland is in the EU...not the Uk. You can be in the UK if you move.

    *and BTW all of Ireland will remain in the EU...if the UK wish to leave the EU.

    It will not actually. N.I. is part of the UK, like it or not. Vat and taxation and everything else in N.I will continue to be administered by the UK. Thanks to Leo the EU will build a border.


  • #828
    janfebmar
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,424 ✭✭✭janfebmar


    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    Yes, the British are still killing to achieve their aims...no argument there.

    Not as many as the those who murder people like the poor journalist in Derry. She was murdered by the people you inspired, not by the British.


  • #829
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 70,095 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    janfebmar wrote: »
    Not as many as the those who murder people like the poor journalist in Derry. She was murdered by the people you inspired, not by the British.

    So they didn't give up their guns? Make up your mind jan.


  • #830
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 70,095 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    janfebmar wrote: »
    It will not actually. N.I. is part of the UK, like it or not. Vat and taxation and everything else in N.I will continue to be administered by the UK. Thanks to Leo the EU will build a border.

    If the UK wants a deal..all of Ireland will be in the EU. The last PM just lost her job trying to avoid that after agreeing that would be the case.


  • #831
    janfebmar
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,424 ✭✭✭janfebmar


    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    So they didn't give up their guns? Make up your mind jan.

    The young thugs who murdered the journalist in Derry were not old enough to be paramilitaries when the paramilitaries had their semtex and weapons taken away and destroyed.


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  • #832
    janfebmar
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,424 ✭✭✭janfebmar


    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    If the UK wants a deal..all of Ireland will be in the EU.
    So the UK is being blackmailed by Ireland. See how that ends. Not good for either side.


  • #833
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 70,095 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    janfebmar wrote: »
    So the UK is being blackmailed by Ireland. See how that ends. Not good for either side.

    No jan...the UK is going to have to do what they agreed to do. No blackmail..read the Withdrawal Agreement.


  • #834
    Junkyard Tom
    Registered Users Posts: 10,117 ✭✭✭✭Junkyard Tom


    Another Tory dimwit who finds it difficult to understand that when it comes to trade, standards, and tariffs, Ireland is the EU.


  • #835
    RobMc59
    Registered Users Posts: 4,831 ✭✭✭RobMc59


    Atlantic Dawn wrote: »
    Yes but you can't do deals outside the EU, you are either in or out, we can't do deals when the UK have left to allow them to sell us parsnips for x price when the rest of the EU has tariffs at y for imported parsnips from outside the EU.

    There appears to be reciprical fishing agreements(outside of the EU)currently in place between Ireland and Britain -why can't these continue regardless?


  • #836
    RobMc59
    Registered Users Posts: 4,831 ✭✭✭RobMc59


    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    No jan...the UK is going to have to do what they agreed to do. No blackmail..read the Withdrawal Agreement.

    To me,the current situation is the WA is dead,the UK will either revoke or leave without a deal which would cause mayhem both sides of the border-we're all fcuked if boris Johnson gets in,the fact that trump likes him is enough to set anyone's alarm bells ringing!


  • #837
    Hamsterchops
    Registered Users Posts: 3,281 ✭✭✭Hamsterchops


    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    If the UK wants a deal..all of Ireland will be in the EU. The last PM just lost her job trying to avoid that after agreeing that would be the case.

    If true, ,that's quite a bold & sobering claim, as it would (in theory) take Northern Ireland out if the United Kingdom, which in turn would be against the Belfast/Good Friday Agreement which states that NI cannot cease to be part of the UK (without the consent of the people living there)!

    If asked, would they vote to leave the UK & be part of this country? that is the question.


  • #838
    _blaaz
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,646 ✭✭✭_blaaz


    RobMc59 wrote: »
    To me,the current situation is the WA is dead,the UK will either revoke or leave without a deal which would cause mayhem both sides of the border-we're all fcuked if boris Johnson gets in,the fact that trump likes him is enough to set anyone's alarm bells ringing!

    Surely the EU will just insist on the backstop in any future trade agreement??


    Unless the UK is just not going to trade with the EU into the future??


  • #839
    janfebmar
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,424 ✭✭✭janfebmar


    Hamsterchops wrote: »

    If asked, would they vote to leave the UK & be part of this country? that is the question.

    Does not look like it, 11 of the 18 MPs there are unionist last time I looked?


  • #840
    _blaaz
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,646 ✭✭✭_blaaz


    janfebmar wrote: »
    Does not look like it, 11 of the 18 MPs there are unionist last time I looked?

    Also voted no to leaving the EU.....funny old business this selective picking of facts


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  • #841
    RobMc59
    Registered Users Posts: 4,831 ✭✭✭RobMc59


    _blaaz wrote: »
    Surely the EU will just insist on the backstop in any future trade agreement??


    Unless the UK is just not going to trade with the EU into the future??

    I think the hardline tories truly believe the EU will blink at the last moment and seem unwilling or unable to see the EU holds all the cards.


  • #842
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 70,095 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    RobMc59 wrote: »
    I think the hardline tories truly believe the EU will blink at the last moment and seem unwilling or unable to see the EU holds all the cards.

    The last moment has been and passed Rob, the British blinked and extended. The position of the EU remains: 'Whenever you are ready guys'.


  • #843
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 70,095 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    janfebmar wrote: »
    Does not look like it, 11 of the 18 MPs there are unionist last time I looked?

    The last election of relevance saw the voters of the north state categorically that they wished to remain in the EU - they elected two MEPS to one against that idea.


  • #844
    RobMc59
    Registered Users Posts: 4,831 ✭✭✭RobMc59


    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    The last moment has been and passed Rob, the British blinked and extended. The position of the EU remains: 'Whenever you are ready guys'.

    Only difference now is boris Johnson will leave without a deal imo-I hope something dramatic happens to stop brexit but it doesn't look likely.


  • #845
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 70,095 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    RobMc59 wrote: »
    Only difference now is boris Johnson will leave without a deal imo-I hope something dramatic happens to stop brexit but it doesn't look likely.

    Boris may leave (not convinced he is going to get the job yet...Gove has a bit of fight/dirt left yet, I fancy)without a deal...but what Bexiteers have yet to realise is that Britain NEEDS a deal with the EU so he will have to negotiate one at some point. If he wants to do that with cap in hand, why would we in the EU worry about that?


  • #846
    RobMc59
    Registered Users Posts: 4,831 ✭✭✭RobMc59


    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    Boris may leave (not convinced he is going to get the job yet...Gove has a bit of fight/dirt left yet, I fancy)without a deal...but what Bexiteers have yet to realise is that Britain NEEDS a deal with the EU so he will have to negotiate one at some point. If he wants to do that with cap in hand, why would we in the EU worry about that?
    I agree that the EU has the upper hand but boris and co are deluded-I hope the UK revokes art 50 as leaving without an agreement is madness-not sure the EU has nothing to worry about though as it will effect them too.


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  • #847
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 70,095 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    RobMc59 wrote: »
    I agree that the EU has the upper hand but boris and co are deluded-I hope the UK revokes art 50 as leaving without an agreement is madness-not sure the EU has nothing to worry about though as it will effect them too.

    An 'effect' that it is recoverable from. Something else Brexiteers don't grasp, there will be an effect that the UK may never recover from if it survives at all.


  • #848
    steddyeddy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,564 ✭✭✭✭steddyeddy


    RobMc59 wrote: »
    I think the hardline tories truly believe the EU will blink at the last moment and seem unwilling or unable to see the EU holds all the cards.

    I disagree with your previous assertion that there aren't really Irish politicians that see the working class as "lesser" people but I do wish the Tory party wasn't led by so much toffs. They're generally out of touch with the real world.


  • #849
    janfebmar
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,424 ✭✭✭janfebmar


    steddyeddy wrote: »
    I disagree with your previous assertion that there aren't really Irish politicians that see the working class as "lesser" people but I do wish the Tory party wasn't led by so much toffs. They're generally out of touch with the real world.

    People like our Taoiseach and Tanaiste went to private schools here (in the UK they are called public schools). By contrast. Not all Tories went to fee paying schools, for example Michael Gove. Who is out of touch with the real world did you say?


  • #850
    [Deleted User]
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    steddyeddy wrote: »
    I disagree with your previous assertion that there aren't really Irish politicians that see the working class as "lesser" people but I do wish the Tory party wasn't led by so much toffs. They're generally out of touch with the real world.

    Quite true, SE. But they're not selling the real world to their supporters; they're selling an imagined England, and that has an incredible pull for people who sense power has gone away from them. As such, these merchants of nostalgia, replete with RP accents, are perfect for that job. And not much else.


  • #851
    steddyeddy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,564 ✭✭✭✭steddyeddy


    janfebmar wrote: »
    People like our Taoiseach and Tanaiste went to private schools here (in the UK they are called public schools). By contrast. Not all Tories went to fee paying schools, for example Michael Gove. Who is out of touch with the real world did you say?

    Most of the Tories are out of touch with the real world J. Our leaders have their problems but they're not taking us out of the biggest single market in the world.


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