Rock on, Rockall! (it's back)

2019, not 1985. Brexit-created fun just keeps giving. Where's Seán Dublin Bay Rockall Loftus when we need him?

The Scots getting a bit cheeky, it seems: 'Scotland warns Ireland it will force fishing boats to leave Rockall waters' (7 June 2019)

The Scottish government has warned the Irish Government it will send its fisheries patrol vessels to force Irish fishing boats to leave a 12-mile zone around Rockall, the tiny disputed island 260 miles west of the Co Donegal coast.

In a formal letter of notice, the Scottish external affairs minister Fiona Hyslop has warned the Irish Government that it will deploy its vessels to protect Scottish fishing rights around Rockall.

The Government here, which contests the Scottish claim on Rockall and also the claim of exclusive fishing rights, has condemned the move but on Friday the Minister for Agriculture and Fisheries Michael Creed briefed fishing industry representatives about the impending Scottish action.

The diplomatic dispute has been festering for months, with the Scottish Government intensifying its complaints to Dublin about what it says is illegal fishing activity by Irish vessels around Rockall.

Last week, Ms Hyslop wrote to the Government to put it on formal notice of the impending enforcement activity, and she spoke to the Tanaiste and Minister for Foreign Affairs Simon Coveney on Friday.

The Government strongly rejects the Scottish claims.

In a statement this evening, the Irish Government said that its position “has been and remains that the waters around Rockall form part of Union waters under the Common Fisheries Policy, to which the principle of equal access for the vessels of all EU Member States applies. Irish vessels have operated unhindered in the Rockall zone for many decades fishing haddock, squid and other species.”

Mr Coveney said that it was “the longstanding position of the Irish Government is that Irish vessels are entitled to access to Rockall waters.

“We have never recognised UK sovereignty over Rockall and accordingly we have not recognised a territorial sea around it either. We have tried to work positively with the Scottish authorities and to deal with sensitive issues that flow from it in a spirit of kinship and collaboration. We very much regret that matters have reached this point and intend to do everything possible to achieve a satisfactory resolution,” he said...

whisky_galore

We can fire a few missiles, like North Korea.

Oh wait, we don't have any.

Fr_Dougal

Scotland can fuck right off.

hmmm

I thought Brexit might strain relations a bit, but I didn't expect we'd be going to war against Scotland.

McMurphy

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wvCATwKjYSc

Pinch Flat

Yeah right, nothing the lads in the Air Corp couldn’t handle.

recedite

Send a battleship.
Oh wait, we don't have any.
Ask our EU buddies the Germans to send a battleship.
Oh wait, all theirs are lying on the seabed somewhere in the vicinity.

klaaaz

That was some dig, "principle of equal access for the vessels of all EU Member States applies", Scotland will have to definitely not leave the EU now or lose some Rockall fish . They're a bit late complaining about access with Brexit, drawing up a new treaty for them will take years! :P

odyssey06

I'd be more bothered about this if I saw some of this Rockall bounty in my local supermarket... have you seen the price of prawn sandwiches?

Blinky Plebum

How can Scotland complain about this seeing as they are not a sovereign nation, they don't even control Scotland for **** sake.

They should told to **** off with themselves.

Odhinn

What vessels does scotland have?

Hamsterchops

hmmm wrote: »

I thought Brexit might strain relations a bit, but I didn't expect we'd be going to war against Scotland.

Remember that the Scots have nuclear submarines + the loch Ness monster in their arsenal, so I'd nay mess with them laddie or you'd be nuked and bitten to death, and all because of a desolate old rock

Odhinn

Odhinn wrote: »

What vessels does scotland have?

HMS 'Bought and sold for English gold'. That's about it.

kowloon

So we're all agreed, war it is.

Patser

kowloon wrote: »

So we're all agreed, war it is.

We'll get our giant to build a causeway to face theirs

Might stop the army lads giving out if we did go to war with Scotland..

whisky_galore

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Might stop the army lads giving out if we did go to war with Scotland..

Bet the Scots army lads don't sleep in their cars.

archer22

Both the Micks and the Jocks should phuck off.

Rockall belongs to the Seagulls who have inhabited it for thousands of years.

fryup

surprised RTE lead with this...bit provocative?

Junkyard Tom

Atlantic Dawn

If we just blow up Rockall so it's not visible at low water it will solve the whole problem.

Charles Babbage

whisky_galore wrote: »

Bet the Scots army lads don't sleep in their cars.

In this case, we are the ones who wear the trousers.

screamer

Paddy Englishman, paddy Irishman and paddy Scotsman gonna be in a big fist fight yet.......

Nobelium

Fishing rights/administration for Scotland has been devolved to the Scottish Government by the British Parliament.

Scotland is one of the most sectarian countries in the world.

- There's certain loyalist Scottish elements that can be the most anti Irish and sectarian when they start.

The clueless out of touch Dublin government need to wakey wakey on this one.

policarp

Who owns Rockall?

There was a deranged Englishman who landed on the rock a good few years ago and claimed it for the U.K.

So who has jurisdiction over Rockall?

listermint

Nobelium wrote: »

Fishing rights/administration for Scotland has been devolved to the Scottish Government by the British Parliament.

Scotland is one of the most sectarian countries in the world.

- There's certain loyalist Scottish elements that can be the most anti Irish and sectarian when they start.

The clueless out of touch Dublin government need to wakey wakey on this one.

Clueless.... Out of touch.

We have had a policy in Ireland of not recognising their claim over the rock for decades.

We cite international and European fishing agreements and water rights all the time.

We are well versed in Scottish politics.

What clueless part are you referring to or was this another clueless post of supposed understanding of the Irish position.?

Nobelium

policarp wrote: »

Who owns Rockall?

There was a deranged Englishman who landed on the rock a good few years ago and claimed it for the U.K.

So who has jurisdiction over Rockall?

Britain (now devolved to Scotland) claims jurisdiction, Ireland doesn't, but claims it's international waters.

Jim Gazebo

Totally mad to try and claim 24 miles or so of the sea. Bang out of order in my opinion. I've seen UK / Spanish and French boats off the South Coast, I fully expect us to threaten to police our 12 mile limit if the Scottish think the can police somewhere they don't even officially own.

Nobelium

listermint wrote: »

Clueless.... Out of touch.

We have had a policy in Ireland of not recognising their claim over the rock for decades.

We cite international and European fishing agreements and water rights all the time.

We are well versed in Scottish politics.

What clueless part are you referring to or was this another clueless post of supposed understanding of the Irish position.?

Scotland is going to run rings around them if they don't wake up

corner of hells

I'd just like to draw your respective attention to the Turbot War.
Ourselves, Canada and the UK nearly went to war against Spain and Germany in 1995 , fcukin' '95.
You couldn't make this **** up.

The Turbot War (known in Spain as Guerra del Fletán) was an international fishing dispute between Canada (with popular support from the United Kingdom and Ireland) and Spain (supported by the European Union and Iceland).

It's well worth a "Google ".

Oh and **** you Scotland.

listermint

Nobelium wrote: »

Scotland is going to run rings around them if they don't wake up

Yeah ok.

Enjoy the pints

Nobelium

listermint wrote: »

Yeah ok.

Enjoy the pints

aye right

enjoy the bitter lemon

circadian

Nobelium wrote: »

Fishing rights/administration for Scotland has been devolved to the Scottish Government by the British Parliament.

Scotland is one of the most sectarian countries in the world.

- There's certain loyalist Scottish elements that can be the most anti Irish and sectarian when they start.

The clueless out of touch Dublin government need to wakey wakey on this one.

What the **** are you on about?

Nobelium

circadian wrote: »

What the **** are you on about?

why would I start explaining anything to someone who can't string a sentence together without cursing ?

circadian

Nobelium wrote: »

why would I start explaining anything to someone who can't string a sentence together without cursing ?

Why wouldn't you?

cj maxx

policarp wrote: »

Who owns Rockall?

There was a deranged Englishman who landed on the rock a good few years ago and claimed it for the U.K.

So who has jurisdiction over Rockall?

I actually thought this was settled in the 80’s by the UN or someone and that it’s Irish waters under international law ??

archer22

Just a few months ago the UK sailed a warship around the little islands in the south China sea to let the Chinese know they didn't recognise China's claims to them.

Now bizarrely they themselves claim a disputed rock in the Atlantic in a similar manner!

Oh those western hypocracies... always,don't do as we do but do as we say :pac:

Phileas Frog

whisky_galore wrote: »

We can fire a few missiles, like North Korea.

Oh wait, we don't have any.

Yes we do

archer22

Phileas Frog wrote: »

Yes we do

I'm sure it's illegal to disturb the Birds there...it's nesting season now.

Can't have the war until that's finished

Kermit.de.frog

If Ireland sends two OPV's to the island what is Scotland going to do about it?


Serious question.


The UK is not going to do anything about it due it's problems with the EU and Scotland is part of the UK so I don't see how a Scottish government could unilaterally do anything tbh.

policarp

So who has jurisdiction over Rockall?

Nobelium

policarp wrote: »

So who has jurisdiction over Rockall?

its disputed, Britain (devolved to Scottish government now) say they do, Ireland says it's international waters

policarp

Nobelium wrote: »

its disputed, Britain (devolved to Scottish government now) say they do, Ireland says it's international waters

So it,s like the Faulklands, we,ll have to fight over it.

Atlantic Dawn

Nobelium wrote: »

its disputed, Britain (devolved to Scottish government now) say they do, Ireland says it's international waters

Basically we are the closest country as a whole, Scotland are the closest if you include their islands.

Beanntraigheach

Rockall and its waters shall be split in twain, the one half thereof allotted to Ireland, the other to Scotland.

That is my decision. Go in peace.

corner of hells

Beanntraigheach wrote: »

Rockall and its waters shall be split in twain, the one half thereof allotted to Ireland, the other to Scotland.

That is my decision. Go in peace.

Peace be with you too , Father.

policarp

Beanntraigheach wrote: »

Rockall and its waters shall be split in twain, the one half thereof allotted to Ireland, the other to Scotland.

That is my decision. Go in peace.

Judge Rinder?

Junkyard Tom

The birds that live on Rockall are quite loud and fat so I guess the Scots could probably claim them as their own.

gozunda

Declare war on Scotland so. We've never declared war before on another country - It will he like old times when Gael fought Gael...

Kermit.de.frog

But Scotland has no navy so how can we declare a war?

gozunda

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

But Scotland has no navy so how can we declare a war?

Exactly. Braveheart didn't involve a navy - but the FCA still braved their arses

https://www.thejournal.ie/mel-gisbon-braveheart-extras-1654169-Sep2014/

The heads of them


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